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Democratic National Committee Gives Blessing To Michigan Re-vote

The DNC, whose role in the fight over the Michigan revote has been largely a behind-the-scenes one, goes public this morning with its blessing for the current revote plan:

We have recently been asked whether the legislation as proposed by Michigan would fit within the framework of the National Party’s Delegate Selection Rules. Our review of this legislation indicates that it would, in fact, fit within the framework of the Rules if, it were, passed by the state legislature and used by the Michigan State Democratic Party as the basis of drafting a formal Delegate Selection Plan. If a formal Delegate Selection Plan is received we will convene a meeting of the RBC to consider such a Plan.

The DNC's statement would seem to put pressure on the Obama camp to get behind the plan.

What's unclear as of yet is whether DNC chair Howard Dean did anything behind the scenes to push the Obama camp to get behind the revote, something that top Hillary donors were demanding that Dean do.

Either way, if there isn't any agreement before the Michigan state legislature goes on recess later this week, the revote won't happen.

The DNC's formal blessing for the plan has also provoked a blistering attack from the Clinton camp on Obama, with the Hillary campaign pointing out that Obama had previously said he'd be fine with a revote if both campaigns had time to weigh in on it and the DNC signed off, which it has now done.


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Do you by chance have a link to the full statement gregg? I am curious if the dnc is in favor of the clintons disenfranchisement plan. I would be surprised if they approved of the clintons' plan. If they do, I think it's time that obama stops wasting money in this ridiculous clinton train wreck of a primary, withdraws from the dem party and runs as a third party candidate, relegating the democratic/clintons' party to the dustbin of history. Thanks.

I agree Michael.

Obama should withdraw from the party. He and his bunch are just too far left. They need their own party.


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I'm getting there on this issue, then the clinton lovers like yourself can merge with the republican party and party-on in the old CSA, while the new party fixes how f*cked up this country is.

Baaaaahhhhh!

Seriously. I do not like the idea of a schism in the party, but I confess that there is a certain part of me that would be somewhat relieved to know that I was not connected to folks like Rae, even by bonds so loose as something like party membership.

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Ditto on that one. I don't understand how a democrat could actually make some of the arguments being made by clinton supporters. A big one for me is voter disenfranchisement. I don't understand. A core dem principle is to allow people to vote. If we lose that, we have lost the party anyway and its time for a change.

HAHAHA, OH WOW

I believe the memo in the post below is the Obama campaign's weighing in on the revote. The question that I think is at issue (and which I posed to Eric) is whether the legal issues outlined in the memo are legitimate issues (i.e., more than just campaign posturing). Perhaps running the Obama camps' memo by an election lawyer (reputable and unaffiliated) would be prudent--at least before you condemn them of obstructing the vote in Michigan (which your post comes awfully close to doing).


Something to think about.


Its not surprising that Obama does not want a re-vote in Mi. or Fla.

Neither side should be able to veto a vote. He should not be allowed to sit back and by his inaction, prevent a re-vote.

He wants to keep his lead with his party insider votes he obtained from the caucus states, elections that were not democratic. It was the only way he could win.

I hope Mi. and Fla. are allowed to have full and fair primaries or that the votes already cast are counted.


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What exactly was the point of Hillary signing the pledge acknowledging that the votes of MI and FL don't count?

Seriously, what was her point?

Changing the rules halfway into a contest is something a 3rd grader does. She couldn't win with the rules as EVERYONE agreed, so NOW it's time to count those 'disenfranchised voters' that SHE was all too happy to disenfranchise until she got her ass kicked.

WHY DID SHE SIGN THE PLEDGE?

See you were buying the spin. Now you're learning the rules.

"Our review of this legislation indicates that it would, in fact, fit within the framework of the Rules"

Politicians are almost all lawyers. They make complicated rules. This isn't baseball.

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"He wants to keep his lead with his party insider votes he obtained from the caucus states, elections that were not democratic. It was the only way he could win."

You realize this is utterly hypocritical, considering that Hillary's only path to the nomination is to rely on the votes of superdelegates, who by definition are party insiders.

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As an Obama supporter, I have to agree with you. Obama should bend over backwards to make this revote happen. He cannot stand in the way of it, or by inaction place the outcome of this primary under a cloud of uncertainty. He should win with Michigan, if Michigan will allow a revote.

It should be noted that the DNC also publicly supported the mail-in vote in Florida before everyone realized that it was a ridiculous idea.

The DNC statement does not address the serious problems with the vote as described by the Obama campaign. It's just another example of the utter incompetence of that organization in handling this matter.

Is the DNC just remarking on the appropriateness of a revote under their own rules? If so, they're not really contradicting the Obama campaign's statement, who's pointing out the problems external to the party (voter lawsuits, soft money, etc). Also, isn't there a lack of support in the legislature?

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Do you know where the statement is? I don't trust the post. It looks like a cherry-picked paragraph. I can't believe that the dnc would be in favor of voter disenfranchisement. The von spaskys/clintons, yes, the dnc, no.

As I said below, isn't it possible that the Obama campaign will accept the re-vote? They've voiced valid legal concerns, which is a smart move, but I don't see that they've "rejected" the re-vote flat out.

Did they?

Regarding the memo below.

Here is the issue, and you can bet there will indeed be lawsuits by one party or another or several:

The burden on voters here is one of complete disqualification—they cannot participate in the Democratic primary in June if they voted in the January Republican primary. Their claim of a violation of their rights would rest on the fact that that the state "changed the rules in the middle of the game." These voters' choice was entirely reasonable in the circumstances: there was no valid Democratic primary available to them at the time, and they could not know that, when their choice was made, that they were disqualifying themselves from participating in a re-run Democratic primary this year that they could know would be held.

Moreover, the state will have difficulty justifying this disenfranchisement by reference to any legitimate state interest. Michigan cannot argue that it wants to limit the June primary to those who are genuinely Democrats, because it has always run fully open primaries. Voters, in other words, have a state-conferred right to vote in the Democratic party no matter what their affiliation. The primaries in January were fully open; and the decision to close them in June will not easily stand constitutional scrutiny. In any challenge, Michigan will be criticized for proposing a re-run without, in effect, restoring to voters the original choice they had—whether to participate in a meaningful Democratic primary.

If they run this with that disenfranchisement built in, the results of the election will get tossed by the courts.

split 50/50 and seat the delegates. It's the only reasonable solution.

There's nothing reasonable about seating delegates that don't reflect the true will of the people.

I am an entheusiastic Obama supporter, but I definitely agree with another_reader here. How is it "fair" to substitute your judgment or my judgement for the judgement of the voters of Michigan? To my mind, there are only two "fair" solutions here, and one is vastly preferable to the other: 1) have no revote and thus do not seat them at all or 2) have a new election and seat the delegates apportioned according to the results of that election. I vastly prefer #2 because, as democrats, we should cherish the democratic principle of letting voters have a say in the selection of their leaders.

(Michigan voter/Obama supporter here...)

It is vitally important to note that one of the main problems with the revote proposal in Michigan is that it prevents Democrats who voted in the GOP primary in January (after being told by *everyone* that their vote in the Dem primary wouldn't count) would NOT be allowed to vote in this new election. This is due to DNC rules disallowing someone from voting in both the GOP and Dem primary in the same year.

Repeating, some Democrats would be unable to vote in the new primary.

If the DNC came forward to say that it would waive that rule for this special election, then this might still have some legs, but since the Legislature leaves for a two-week easter recess on Friday, the deal will have to be figured out by thursday...

That, and the still theoretical proposals for funding (such as they are) seem to doom this, despite the statements from the Clinton campaign and now the DNC that Obama "must" accept the re-vote. It's not at all clear what he'd be accepting at this point, other than a partial primary under hurried planning and few, if any, safeguards...

If you want to join us Michiganders in emailing/calling Senator Levin, Debbie Dingell, Jennifer Granholm, and Mark Brewer to express your extreme dissatisfaction with this whole sordid state of affairs, you're more than welcome...

The DNC statement not a "blessing" of the proposal. It is only an acknowledgment, offered within the narrowest possible frame, that the proposal would "fit within the framework of the Rules." (Notice, indeed, that not only does Howard Dean always -- always -- use "the Rules" as a cover, but that his comments never -- ever -- venture outside an appeal to "the Rules." )

This does not mean that there cannot be other disqualifying factors.

Further, it seems obvious -- given that both the DNC statement and the Obama legal memo were released this morning -- that the DNC statement was drafted without the benefit of, or reference to, the substantive legal cautions raised by Obama memo.

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Ok, I have been looking all over the place for the actual statement. Anybody have a link? I can't even find it on the dnc website.

Lot of ifs (meaning it ain't happenin'.) DNC seems to be covering its ass.

For an empty-suit, Obama seems to be picking lot of dust. For HRC to talk of voter disenfranchisement is, at best, a joke.

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Is the issue whether Democrats who voted in the Republican primary can now revote, or whether everyone (including registered Republicans) who voted in the Republican primary will be allowed to participate in the revote? The Republican nominee is already set, so there could potentially be massive crossover by Limbaugh Republicans, as there was in Texas and Ohio, to pick the weakest Democrat (Clinton). Republicans badly need Clinton to energize their base.

The first one.

State Rep. Matt Gillard, D-Alpena, said the do-over primary will create as many problems as it solves, including barring participation by Democrats who, because they thought their party's Jan. 15 primary was a farce, voted for a Republican.
"This won't work," Gillard said. "People were told the Jan. 15 primary didn't matter. Now they're being told if they voted in it, they can't vote in one that does matter."

not seating the delegates is a no win solution. Going against the WI Open Primary is wrong, which is what a revote would be if they don't allow it to be an open primary.

For all of you who think that Florida and Michigan voters are being denied some sort of right, or that the are being denied a vote - let me make this emphatically clear: THIS IS A REPUBLIC.

You vote for people who you feel best represent your interests to then vote on the myriad details of government ON YOUR BEHALF. The voters of these states then CLEARLY had their chance to vote. That's not being picayune, it is the way the law of the land works. It's the way things have worked in this country nearly since its inception.

Bear in mind that the rules for this election were constructed over a period of almost two years. I think I am going to post elsewhere on here with a concise but complete history - replete with sources. But for now, trust me when I say that first there was a commission appointed by Terry McCauliffe (Clinton Supporter) in 2004. Nine current Clinton Superdelegates and both Dingell and Levin sat on this commission of 40 people.

The commission then met for the first time in early March of 2005 and completed its work in December of 2005. Along the way they had multiple meetings that heard input from dozens of other Democrats from all across the country.

Their final report was then used by the DNC to formulate and craft the schedule and rules for the current primary and it was ratified for acceptance by 450 in 2006.

In March of 2007 the Florida House voted to advance their date - the vote was 118-0, their Senate affirmed 37-2. It is important to note that various elected Democrats and Party leaders in Florida bragged to the public about how they were going to make Florida relevant again. They bragged about it as early as March of last year.

I bring the last point up, because you hear the plaintiff wail 'the Republicans shoved it down our throats.' One should also note that there are actually more registered Democrats than Republicans in Florida, like 300,000 odd more. So you have to ask yourself - why can't the Democrats there get more of their own elected?

At any rate, from March of last year through September, the DNC tried fervently to get Florida to amend its decision. Now we have their train wreck. Even the former Florida Democratic Party chair warned the locals that they were nuts if they thought the DNC was bluffing.

Michigan even waited until after the DNC had ruled against Florida before deciding to go ahead and vote 67-34 in their House and 36-0 in their Senate to tell all the rest of the Democratic Party in the other 48 states that they, like Florida can just tell us all to stick it in our eye.

So you see, the voters did have their say. Sorry about their luck, but don't stick the rest of us for their BS.

Time and again, people keep posting and repeating the same canard. Whether Obama supports or does not support a revote is entirely irrelevant! The only thing that matters is whether the GOP controlled state senate will pass the flippin' statute require to redo the election! They had a Dem senator caucus and only two of the 15 senators supported the plan. So how does that land at Obama's feet? And why, pray tell, is he blamed for them not having a revote when he did not make the f'ed up decisions to move the primary in the first place?

There is another way of looking at this, of course. If Hillary, like Edwards and Obama, had take her name off the Michigan ballot, this would be a cleaner discussion. There would be no need for the postiring and handwringing. But because she has run a sh!tty campaign, Obama is supposed to bail her out by "getting behind the plan" to rerun elections that never should have been run in the first place? Er, no . . . this is a competition! This is politics! They are competing to be president, for God sakes, not prom queen! As Jack Nicholson said in "The Departed" "This ain't reality TV!"

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