Confirmed: Obama Did Gain Delegates From California Vote Count
We've just confirmed with the California Democratic Party that reports in the blogosphere, which said that Barack Obama picked up additional delegates from the vote count in California, are correct.
Election Central spoke to Bob Mulholland, campaign adviser to the California Dems, and he confirmed that the delegate estimates for the California primary have been revised from the initial media estimates.
To put this in perspective, over one-million votes were yet to be counted when the media estimates were first made. Those estimates had Hillary at 207 delegates to Obama's 163. The new projection: A small alteration to Hillary 203, Obama 167, which Mulholland said is not expected to change when the election is officially certified this Saturday.
THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!
March 11, 2008 12:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
California just became 1 percent less relevant.
March 11, 2008 12:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tip of the hat to The Courage Campaign here in CA for pressing LA County Elections for a full hand count of "bubble ballots".
March 11, 2008 12:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for making it official TPM. Obama camp needs to make a big deal about this. Tlak it up and get the talking heads doing the math.
March 11, 2008 12:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
this is great news for hillary...
March 11, 2008 12:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
a +8 net gain for Obama!?
That "small alteration" pretty much wipes out Hillary's +9 gain in Ohio.
March 11, 2008 12:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
This just in....that 43% of California doesn't count because it was concentrated in the densely populated areas.
March 11, 2008 12:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry I meant to add that this was part of the new "Big Parts" of "Big States" strategy. Densely populated cities do not matter.
March 11, 2008 12:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
She really can't catch a break. It's called karma or what comes around goes around. It always seems that things don't go her way, which kinda makes me feel sympathetic towards her. However, then I think about all the garbage and the sympathetic feelings evaporate. I'll be happy when this is done and she is sipping champagne on the french riviera.
By the way, any word on the 80 gd precincts in NYC that didn't register one vote for obama? I would think that that would impact on the delegate math from NY as well.
March 11, 2008 12:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
small? an 8 vote swing out of nowhere?
How does that compare with the total swing in the delegate count for RI,VT,Ohio, Texas, and Wyoming the last seven days? Let's not even count Mississippi---Clinton might...you know...pull an upset.
March 11, 2008 12:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
What about New York? I haven't seen any followup about the "0 votes for Obama in Harlem precincts" story. Has NY certified its delegate counts yet?
March 11, 2008 12:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Surprisingly, this article from the NY Times says that it doesn't appear that Obama will pick up any delegates in NY based on the recount:
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/27/a-clinton-victory-certified/
March 11, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Hillary gets her way --- Unlike she FIRST stated, she now believes its the Popular vote that should decide the winner, not the Delegate count.
WRONG Hillary -- More States, More Delegates and More Popular vote.
Obama is WINNING -- you should stop your campaign before you ruin our Party.
Democrats are beginning to feel about YOU as they do about Bush and Cheney. Do you REALLY want that Bill?
March 11, 2008 12:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
But of course the media will call Hillary's 4-7 delegate gain on the 4th a huge win, while at the same time completely overlooking the fact that Obama netted 8 delegates over her just by completing the actual vote in California.
Gotta love that media bias, it is just soooo anti-Hillary! Maybe SNL should do a skit about how the media is hyping up Obama's wins so much and making it seem like he is still in the race when Hillary is doing so much better.
Oh..wait..
March 11, 2008 1:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is happening.
March 11, 2008 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
The new feel-good vp candidate for Obama---BIG STATE New York loves him---he was a Knick. Educated in a public High School in swing state Missouri. Successfully (until Clinton and Bush undid them)negotiated elimination of tax loopholes for large corporations with Reagan. Fought for increased healthcare against a much more careful Al Gore. I give you---no, wait, it would be presumptious for a candidate who has not yet won the nomination to.....well........I don't make the rules.
Former senator Bill Bradley, who is a leading supporter of Obama and ran for president in 2000, accused the Clintons of “lying” in pursuit of victory.
“The bigger the lie, the better the chance they think they’ve got. That’s been their whole approach,” he said. “She’s going to lose a whole generation of people who got involved in politics believing it could be something different.”
Bradley believes that Clinton will stop at nothing to tear down Obama even if it boosts John McCain, who was confirmed last week as the Republican nominee: “The Clintons do not do long-term planning. They’re total tacticians and right now their focus is on Obama, not McCain.”
March 11, 2008 1:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why is everyone still saying that Hillary won Texas? Is that an accurate assertion anymore?
March 11, 2008 1:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
How screwed up can you get! Why does it take this long to figure out the election results in California?
March 11, 2008 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Small swing? Isn't 8 delegates how much she won by last week, TOOOOTTAALALLLLLLY changing the race!!!?!
March 11, 2008 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Someone already asked this question, but I will ask it again. What is the status with the ongoing NY recounts?
Interesting sidenote...I saw a breakdown of how Bill Clinton won more states in the GE where he had lost in the primaries and then lost more states in the GE where he had won in the primaries. Kind of debunks this whole only Hillary can carry those states argrument, doesn't it?
March 11, 2008 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sinbad has spoken:
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2008/03/sinbad_unloads_on_hillary_clin.html
March 11, 2008 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
hahahaha. that is hilarious. i doubt the MSM will pick it up, since they're obviously too chickenshit to address a candidate's central theme with ugly facts, but hopefully it'll get around the blogs.
March 11, 2008 2:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Quote: "Sorry I meant to add that this was part of the new "Big Parts" of "Big States" strategy. Densely populated cities do not matter."
Except for in Nevada (and no doubt other states as well), where it's the thinly populated, rural areas that don't count.
March 11, 2008 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why is everyone still saying that Hillary won Texas? Is that an accurate assertion anymore?
No. Never was, and we knew it that night (here in the state) but the media chose to ignore it, preferring to run with the "come back kid!!" narrative, in spite of the fact that Clinton needed to win here by double digits to have any prayer of catching Obama.
March 11, 2008 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Surprisingly, this article from the NY Times says that it doesn't appear that Obama will pick up any delegates in NY based on the recount:
It wasn't on the front page, and there was not a snl skit about it---the Clinton campaign is outraged.
March 11, 2008 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I thought this would happen because Southern California, according to the State Department of Elections had at least 190,000 undercounted or outstanding votes two or three weeks after the primary. Some counties in Northern California simply ran out of ballots. We are hungry for change!
March 11, 2008 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
to answer why does it take california so long to count and certify its' votes?
a)there must be at least 13-17 million people in Southern California and a good number of Southern Californians came out to vote
b) there are 4-7 million people in the Bay Area. In at least two of the nine Bay Area counties ran out of ballots
c) there are about 33-38 million people in the entire state
d)the State of California disqualified any device that could not return a paper trail. That sometimes meant hand counting these ballots.
It is fair to say that California is three times as big as, let's say Ohio.
March 11, 2008 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
hilarious!
March 11, 2008 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whatever happened to the districts in Harlem (the NY primary) where Obama had zero, zilch, nada votes? Anyone know?
March 11, 2008 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
On the topic of total counts, it's important to interrupt any significance claimed for the "total popular vote", since that effectively eliminates any caucus state from consideration. Besides being the rules, counting total delegates is the common denominator that gives proportional representation to each state.
March 11, 2008 4:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
opm members truly are pathetic - the race ended when Clinton won Texas.
PA, IN, EDWARDS + NC = THE END FOR OBAMA.
March 11, 2008 8:16 PM | Reply | Permalink