Clinton: I'm In Until Denver
In an interview with the Washington Post, Hillary Clinton reiterated her position that she will not drop out of the race — and that if necessary, she'll take her candidacy all the way to a credentials committee fight in Denver for the Michigan and Florida delegates.
"I know there are some people who want to shut this down and I think they are wrong," Clinton said. "I have no intention of stopping until we finish what we started and until we see what happens in the next 10 contests and until we resolve Florida and Michigan. And if we don't resolve it, we'll resolve it at the convention — that's what credentials committees are for."
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Well, theoretically that would be the only way she could win.
March 30, 2008 3:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
In practice, the only way anyone wins is in Denver.
March 30, 2008 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Tuzla Terror
She's in it to win it!
ROFLMAO
March 30, 2008 3:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Bill Clinton is being introduced now. The buzz in the room is palpable. Chairman Art Torres: "The man I'm about to introduce needs no introduction."
"The country was far better off, the world was far better off when he was president."
The place is on their feet, Hillary signs everywhere."
"A special thanks to those of you who are suppoting Hillary. I appreciate the signs."
"I want to get something out of the way. This has been an utterly amazing election year...And there's a reason there's been all this energy. The American people know that the country needs to change...There is somehow the suggestion that because we're having a vigorous debate we're going to hurt the future of the Democratic Party...In June 1992 when I won the primary I had been so beaten up I was running third and Ross Perot was in first place. 6 weeks later at the convention Al Gore and I were in first place in polls and we never lost it...Vigorous debate was a blessing in disguise...Chill out and we're going to win in November."
Heh. Yes, he told us all to "chill out."
"We can win this election if we just let this thing play out, join hands and come together and tell America we want to change the future of the country."
Clinton is speaking on the foreclosure crisis and the economy.
"How many times do we have to prove it? Trickle down economics is a failure!...We need to put it in the trash heap of history forever."
"We need shared opportunity, shared prosperity and shared responsibility...We have kids in Iraq and Afghanistan and they started throwing tax cuts at me...It was wrong."
"Raise your hand if you know someone without health insurance." Probably just under 50% raised their hand. "This is the only western civilized world where you would get that answer. It's the only country where it would even be asked."
Bill is now explaining Hillary's healthcare plan and arguing why it is better than Barack's. "We need to cover everyone...The only way we can control costs is if we cover everyone."
"If you're tired of making excuses for not doing this and you want affordable quality healthcare I hope you'll support Hillary."
God bless America!
March 30, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, dude: it's 2008, not 1992, and Bill isn't running for office.
Thanks, anyway, for the non sequitur comment, and there are some lovely parting gifts for you.
One other thing--I appreciate that you've stopped posting the lies about Obama, at least for today.
March 30, 2008 3:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not so fast! The day ain't over.
March 30, 2008 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, and one other thing.
This, from above: "In June 1992 when I won the primary I had been so beaten up I was running third and Ross Perot was in first place. 6 weeks later at the convention Al Gore and I were in first place in polls and we never lost it..."
pretty misleading, considering that Clinton had the nomination wrapped up by April of 1992.
But it's part of a good fiction, I guess.
March 30, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Also, so many more contests are earlier in the year, so really he had the nomination wrapped up after going through only half the states, whereas this year there are only 10 contests left...
But don't let history get in the way of a good argument...
March 30, 2008 5:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Last dog on last legs
March 30, 2008 6:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Senator Clinton of course has every right to stay active. I wonder, however, about the drip, drip, drip of stories like the one
at Politico detailing her campaign's shabby treatment of small time vendors. It is one thing to stiff a multimillionaire like Mark Penn -- another case altogether to basically bilk a small business woman or man in this economy by non-payment of bills. Again, it is a question if character. You always pay the little guys first, even if they are not smart enough to ask for money up front like the TV stations.
March 30, 2008 3:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
AlwaysTip, says "Again, it is a question if character." Oh really? If it was a question of character who would be voting for the liar Obama?
1.) Selma Got Me Born - LIAR, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965.
2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - LIAR, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.
3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - LIAR, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had
4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - LIAR, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya. It is the first widespread violence in decades.
5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - LIAR, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn’t allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.
6.) My Name is African Swahili - LIAR, your name is Arabic and ‘Baraka’ (from which Barack came) means ‘blessed’ in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.
7.) I Never Practiced Islam - LIAR, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years,until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.
8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian - LIAR, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book).
9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian - LIAR, not one teacher says you could speak the language.
10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia, I Have More Foreign Experience - LIAR, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn’t even speak the language. What did you learn, how to study the Koran and watch cartoons.
11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - LIAR, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.
12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion - LIAR, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just fine.
13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - LIAR, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn’t, and never did, exist.
14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life - LIAR, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn’t, and never did, exist.
15.) I Won’t Run On A National Ticket In ‘08 - LIAR, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.
16.) Present Votes Are Common In Illinois - LIAR, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.
17.) Oops, I Misvoted - LIAR, only when caught by church groups and democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.
18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - LIAR, you didn’t write it,introduce it, change it, or create it.
21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - LIAR, it took just 14 days from start to finish.
22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - LIAR, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear Donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.
23.) I Have Released My State Records - LIAR, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.
24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess - LIAR, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens. You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.
25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America - LIAR, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.
26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - LIAR, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.
27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year - LIAR, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.
28.) No One Contacted Canada About NAFTA - LIAR, the Candian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.
29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism - LIAR, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction of Israel.
30.) I Am Not Acting As President Yet - LIAR, after the NAFTA Memo, a dead terrorist in the FARC, in Colombia, was found with a letter stating how you and he were working together on getting FARC recognized officially.
31.) I Didn’t Run Ads In Florida - LIAR, you allowed national ads to run 8-12 times per day for two weeks - and you still lost.
32.) I Won Michigan - LIAR, no you didn’t.
33.) I won Nevada - LIAR, no you did not.
34.) I Want All Votes To Count - LIAR, you said let the delegates decide.
35.) I Want Americans To Decide - LIAR, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.
36.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - LIAR, you passed 26, most of which you didn’t write yourself.
37.) My Campaign Was Extorted By A Friend - LIAR, that friend is threatening to sue if you do not stop saying this. Obama has stopped saying this.
38.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - LIAR, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.
39.) I Don’t Take PAC Money - LIAR, you take loads of it.
40.) I don’t Have Lobbysists - LIAR, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.
41.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - LIAR, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.
42.) My Campaign Never Took Over MySpace - LIAR, Tom, who started MySpace issued a warning about this advertising to MySpace clients.
43.) I Inspire People With My Words - LIAR, you inspire people with other people’s words.
44.) I Have Passed Bills In The U.S. Senate - LIAR, you have passed A BILL in the U.S. Senate - for Africa, which shows YOUR priorities.
45.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq - LIAR, you weren’t in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time, unlike Kucinich, who seems to be out gutting you Obama. You also seem to be stepping back from your departure date - AGAIN.
46.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care - LIAR, your plan leaves us all to pay the 15,000,000 who don’t have to buy it.
47.) I Only Found Out About My Investment Conflicts Via Mail - LIAR, both companies you site as having sent you letters about this conflict have no record of any such letter ever being created or sent.
48.) I Am As Patriotic As Anyone - LIAR, you won’t wear a flag pin and you don’t put your hand over your heart during the Anthem.
49.) My Wife Didn’t Mean What She Said About Pride In Country - LIAR, your wife’s words follow lock-step in the vein of Wright and Farrahkan, in relation to their contempt and hatred of America.
50.) Wal-Mart Is A Company I Wouldn’t Support - LIAR, your wife has received nearly a quater of a million dollars through Treehouse, which is connected to Wal-Mart.
51.) Treehouse Is A Small Company - LIAR, the CEO of Treehouse last year, made more than the CEO of Wal-Mart, according to public records.
52.) University Of Chicago Hospital Pay Is Fair - LIAR, your wife’s pay raise was nearly 150% her already bloated rate and the hospital is a Non-Profit Hospital, which made $100,000,000 in the last 3 years. They overcharge blacks VS whites for services, and overcharge everyone in general by 538%!
53.)I Barely Know Rezko - Only 5 Billed Hours - LIAR, you have known him for 17 years, and decided to do a real estate deal with him during a time when he was proven to be under investigation. Despite this, you divided your property and had them take off $300K before the mortgage problems started. Then Rezko’s wife buys the lot beside it that you can’t afford, saving you $625,000.
54.) My Donations Have Been Checked Thoroughly - LIAR, you only gave back Hsu ($72K) and Rezko (first $66K, then when caught lying $86K, then when caught lying again $150K and now caught lying YET AGAIN OBAMA, it’s $250k) their money when publically called on their involvement in your campaigns.
55.) My Church Is Like Any Other Christian Church - LIAR, your church is so extreme, the pastor who married you, Rev. Wright, just got done blaming the US for 9/11 and named Louis Farrahkan their person of the year.
56.) I Disagree With My Church All The Time - LIAR, you still have yet to repudiate Wright, who married you and your wife, and you still donate large sums of money to assist the church in furthering its message - hatred and revenge. You donated in 2006 alone, $22,500 to the church that you so terribly disagree with. That is nearly $500 PER WEEK - that sure is disagreement, Senator Obama.
57.) I Have Clean Connections Despite Rezko - LIAR, you are not only connected to Exelon and Rezko, you are also connected to Hillary PAC supporter Mr. Hsu, AND an Iraqi Billionaire of ill repute, Nadhmi Auchi, who ripped off people in the Food For Oil, Iraqi deal. Seems Mr. Auchi may have helped Obama buy his million dollar property long before Obama had millions of dollars. Wonder what favors Mr. Auchi expects, when Obama leaves Iraq free to be taken over by special interests such as him.
58.) I never heard sermons like Rev. Wright’s, that have been in videos all day, You Tube - LIAR! 3 days later during your Mea Culpa BS speech you said “Did I hear controversial statements while I sat in that church? Yes I did.”
59.) The Passport Invasion is a conspiracy to find dirt on me! - LIAR. Your own Campaign Foreign Policy Advisor is the CEO of the company that looked into your records. PS - You had them look into yours to hide the fact you looked into Clinton’s and McCain’s more than a year before!
60.) Rev. Meeks has nothing to do with my campaigning - LIAR. Rev. Meeks appeared in ads for your Senate Campaign, donated to you, and helped raise money, then AND NOW. PS - He also seems to despise America.
61.) My wife didn’t mean America is ignorant, she was just using a phrase - LIAR. Again, MicHELLe’s comments perfectly sync with Wright’s, Meeks’, and Farrakhans, both in language, anger, and direction.
62.) I am very Anti-Terror - LIAR. One of your good pals is long time radical and terrorist William Ayers, with whom you have been seen in the last 12 months and who has helped the now jailed khalidi, Professor at Columbia who invited Ahmadinejad to the University, to raise money for Palestinian terrorism attacks against Israel. PS - Your church published a pro Hamas Manifesto - guess you weren’t there on THAT Sunday either? How lucky for you.
63.) I have the best plan to cure the Mortgage Crisis - LIAR. You and your campaign buddy Penny SubPrime Bank Collapse Prizker have had your little fingers full of subprime cash - Obama has taken $1,180,103 from the top issuers of subprime loans: Obama received $266,907 from Lehman, $5395 from GMAC, $150,850 from Credit Suisse First Boston, $11,250 from Countrywide, $9052 from Washington Mutual, $161,850 from Citigroup, $4600 from CBASS, $170,050 from Morgan Stanley, $1150 from Centex, and last but certainly NOT LEAST - Obama received $351,900 from Goldman Sachs. I am sure that cash all came from folks who knew the subprime loan they had was a dream, eh?
March 30, 2008 3:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
You sound like a lot of fun. We should hang out sometime.
March 30, 2008 3:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL
TPM Headline: Newcomer dembillc wins the "Troll You'd Most Like to Have a Beer With Award". But previous frontrunner, gotalife, refuses to bow out. According to gotalife, "Yes, dembillc, is eloquent, but it has no experience. It only joined the site yesterday. I've been fighting the good fight on TPM for over a week and a half. If you choose me to have a beer with, I'll be ready to smear on beer 1. dembillc can wait its g-ddamn turn. Saddle up folks, this one is going all the way to convention."
March 30, 2008 4:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is too rich for a mere comment. I just gave it it's own post:
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/dembillc-wins-the-troll-youd-m.php
Damn, I love troll-bashing.
March 30, 2008 5:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dude, way funny. That very much deserves its own post.
March 30, 2008 6:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
He can add this to his list:
"Addressing civil rights activists in Selma, Ala., a year ago, Sen. Barack Obama traced his "very existence" to the generosity of the Kennedy family, which he said paid for his Kenyan father to travel to America on a student scholarship and thus meet his Kansan mother. Key details are either untrue or grossly oversimplified."
My goodmess, has Obama told the truth about anything?
But give him a free pass on all his lies and attack Clinton as usual.
Wake up.
March 30, 2008 5:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
gotalife, thank you for your thoughtful response. I assure that you I take all of Obama's 63 (64 with your generous addition) lies very seriously. I was not attacking Clinton at all. Rather, I chose to deflect attention from Obama's mendacity by ridiculing you and your little friend. Good luck in the big competition.
March 30, 2008 5:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
They ignore all his lies, arrogant, radical, character, inexperience and want 12 million Americans to not count in our democracy.
March 30, 2008 3:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I DID NOT HAVE SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH GOTALIFE!!!
March 30, 2008 7:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree, they have been ignoring all of his lies, arrogant, radical, character, inexperience and want 12 million Americans to not count in our democracy.
I wish Bill would just shut up, put Hillary in her suitcase and head home.
If the rumors about her campaign funding are true, she is not going to be doing much of anything soon. Hell, she is stiffing small mom and pop businesses by not paying her campaign bills. If this is true, she is not going to get much more credit extended to her campaign because small businesses are going to demand payment up front.
I know I sure the hell would.
March 30, 2008 8:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
dembillc
You sure are industrious for a troll. Did Hillary pay you yet ?
March 30, 2008 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary isn't paying anyone at this point.
That's why they're angry.
March 30, 2008 4:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wonder which trolls suddenly change sides when their paychecks bounce. That's one way to see who's sent by the GOP and who comes from HRC.
March 30, 2008 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow you listed like 58 lies from the right-wing. Most of that stuff Obama has never said and the rest is simple guilt by association. By your logic, then the Clinton's are also guilty of dealing with Rezko. That's a lot of delusion there. I'd be more than willing to bet, that came from Michelle Malkin's pages.
March 30, 2008 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did the GOP's work for them, didja?
March 30, 2008 7:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Man I just don't get it. Doesn't it depress you that in order to justify your hate for Obama you have to go and make up an imaginary version of him so as to fit that agenda?
March 31, 2008 6:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Like Huckabee, Clinton also majored in miracles, not math.
Clinton '08 - Turning 16 years of good will into a complete career meltdown!
March 30, 2008 3:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
And what does Sen. Clinton suggest she/Sen. Obama do between June 3 and August 26? "Fighting" another dem. or preparing for the big event in November? Let her show just what she cares for most, the issues, and the "small' voters, or her own political ambitions. Why would super-delegates (and even her own supporter-donors) let this drag out beyond any point of viability? AS Bill Clinton said this week, this is, after all "all about you" (I think he was implying the voters here). Let's hope that Sen. Obama's lead in pledged delegates is large enough by June so that he can graciously offer to seat delegations from FL and MI. Why is no one talking about McAuliffe's statements from before Boston, that the closest a delegation that broke the rules would come to the convention was on teir TV sets? And the fact that Ickes approved the sancions? And the fact that even Sen. Clinton signed the pledge NOT to participate in MI and FL?
March 30, 2008 3:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary, after the next 10 contests: I have no intention of stopping until we resolve Florida and Michigan, until the credentials committee resolves this, until the general election resolves this, and until the winner of next year's American Idol is resolved. I'm in this to win this. Period.
March 30, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
No you aren't George Hillary Bush, Jr. The party ain't gonna let you tear us apart and repeat '82 and then 2000.
Not going to happen.
And you know what else isn't going to happen? Gore and/or Edwards endorsing either candidate. Not gonna happen - I'll bet anyone real money right now. They will wait til there is a nominee, then they will throw everything they have behind whoever it is. They are Democrats, who understand it's about the people, not just themselves.
March 30, 2008 3:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
The question is...will she run out of money before the convention?
March 30, 2008 3:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm picturing her driving to Denver in that van from "Little Miss Sunshine."
March 30, 2008 3:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Embarrassing. Clinton's campaign is now embarrassing. Shame, really.
March 30, 2008 3:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am very tired of hearing and reading comments about Michigan and Florida from the Hillary campaign without even an attempt by the press to point out that this was clearly not their position when Hillary was campaigning in New Hampshire. There is a great clip from New Hampshire public radio where Hillary says unequivocally that everyone understands that the votes in Michigan will not count. I am willing to bet that there are similar statements from her about Florida. Every time she or her campaign brings this issue up the reporter should have this radio clip ready, play it for her/them and ask why anyone should believe anything Hillary says.
March 30, 2008 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, Hillary wanted to get Florida and Michigan counted before New Hampshire, and said disenfranchising them was a bad idea.
March 30, 2008 4:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who's version of history was that? Source, please, or STFU.
March 30, 2008 5:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
In his interview this week Dean stated that the delegates from MI and FL will be seated at the convention.
March 30, 2008 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
they will be seated while all the other delegates stand up and vote.
March 30, 2008 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
She's in it until the money dries up. She's already picked up a rep for not paying her bills, so I give her until May when the last of the fumes from winning PA wear off, and her supporters finally give up the ghost. She might want to continue, but the party will rally around Obama, and there'll be no more money or options for Clinton to pursue.
Plenty of time to put this thing together and present a united front against McCain.
March 30, 2008 3:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ducking sniper fire but asking --
What else can Sen. Clinton possibly do that she has not done already?
The only thing left is the strategy of Repeat and Rinse with the Scary Un-American Negro theme. *sigh* I’ll just continue to make more trips to his website to donate.
Unlike many of my fellow Obama supporters, I am not entirely opposed to Clinton staying in the race. I’m not entirely opposed to her hurling everything she has at him. I did not always feel that way. I recently changed my mind, sort of. However, I do think she should accept the results after all the primaries are over. A credentials committee fight on the convention floor does not enhance or indicate her much vaunted "toughness." It shows her to be a massively shrill and silly loser.
The Repuke 527’s are not going to be any easier to handle in the muck they plan on hurling at Obama. I’m glad Obama is on a bus ride through Penn. I hope he does a bus ride through IN and NC as well.
Last time we had the war hero and their 527's made him into a coward, liar and fraud. Why don't we have similarly nasty 527 like organizations who can work similar angles against McCain? Not everyone who was in that camp with McCain could possibly think McCain was the hero he's portraying himself to be. Is Rove not a current adviser to McCain? I do not believe that either of the Dem candidates is weak. Contrary to many Clinton supporters, I think Obama is as much a fighter as Clinton but his strategies are very different. I think McCain is weak. But with Rove at his back, be prepared to have a lot of people believe that gravity has reversed. It's not that we have weak candidates, it's that they are meaner and appeal to fear. They have been appealing to fear for decades, successfully. Instead of ripping at our candidates we should leave them to fight out the primaries and instead find a Dem 527 to fund.
March 30, 2008 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
See dembilic's seething, ranting nonsense above for a clue.
March 30, 2008 3:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Stop whining, saddle up and lets argue about the issues. This democracy is for the people, so stop trying to block their voices. Let them be heard and count.
How incredibly arrogant and stupid trying to block their votes. That is embarrassing and shameful.
March 30, 2008 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes and if Obama supporters need something to do while waiting for people to vote they can read some obama Lies. It will take awhile.
1.) Selma Got Me Born - LIAR, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965.
2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - LIAR, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.
3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - LIAR, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had
4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - LIAR, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya. It is the first widespread violence in decades.
5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - LIAR, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn’t allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.
6.) My Name is African Swahili - LIAR, your name is Arabic and ‘Baraka’ (from which Barack came) means ‘blessed’ in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.
7.) I Never Practiced Islam - LIAR, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years,until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.
8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian - LIAR, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book).
9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian - LIAR, not one teacher says you could speak the language.
10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia, I Have More Foreign Experience - LIAR, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn’t even speak the language. What did you learn, how to study the Koran and watch cartoons.
11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - LIAR, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.
12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion - LIAR, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just fine.
13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - LIAR, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn’t, and never did, exist.
14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life - LIAR, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn’t, and never did, exist.
15.) I Won’t Run On A National Ticket In ‘08 - LIAR, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.
16.) Present Votes Are Common In Illinois - LIAR, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.
17.) Oops, I Misvoted - LIAR, only when caught by church groups and democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.
18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - LIAR, you didn’t write it,introduce it, change it, or create it.
21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - LIAR, it took just 14 days from start to finish.
22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - LIAR, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear Donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.
23.) I Have Released My State Records - LIAR, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.
24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess - LIAR, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens. You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.
25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America - LIAR, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.
26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - LIAR, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.
27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year - LIAR, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.
28.) No One Contacted Canada About NAFTA - LIAR, the Candian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.
29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism - LIAR, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction of Israel.
30.) I Am Not Acting As President Yet - LIAR, after the NAFTA Memo, a dead terrorist in the FARC, in Colombia, was found with a letter stating how you and he were working together on getting FARC recognized officially.
31.) I Didn’t Run Ads In Florida - LIAR, you allowed national ads to run 8-12 times per day for two weeks - and you still lost.
32.) I Won Michigan - LIAR, no you didn’t.
33.) I won Nevada - LIAR, no you did not.
34.) I Want All Votes To Count - LIAR, you said let the delegates decide.
35.) I Want Americans To Decide - LIAR, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.
36.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - LIAR, you passed 26, most of which you didn’t write yourself.
37.) My Campaign Was Extorted By A Friend - LIAR, that friend is threatening to sue if you do not stop saying this. Obama has stopped saying this.
38.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - LIAR, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.
39.) I Don’t Take PAC Money - LIAR, you take loads of it.
40.) I don’t Have Lobbysists - LIAR, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.
41.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - LIAR, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.
42.) My Campaign Never Took Over MySpace - LIAR, Tom, who started MySpace issued a warning about this advertising to MySpace clients.
43.) I Inspire People With My Words - LIAR, you inspire people with other people’s words.
44.) I Have Passed Bills In The U.S. Senate - LIAR, you have passed A BILL in the U.S. Senate - for Africa, which shows YOUR priorities.
45.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq - LIAR, you weren’t in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time, unlike Kucinich, who seems to be out gutting you Obama. You also seem to be stepping back from your departure date - AGAIN.
46.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care - LIAR, your plan leaves us all to pay the 15,000,000 who don’t have to buy it.
47.) I Only Found Out About My Investment Conflicts Via Mail - LIAR, both companies you site as having sent you letters about this conflict have no record of any such letter ever being created or sent.
48.) I Am As Patriotic As Anyone - LIAR, you won’t wear a flag pin and you don’t put your hand over your heart during the Anthem.
49.) My Wife Didn’t Mean What She Said About Pride In Country - LIAR, your wife’s words follow lock-step in the vein of Wright and Farrahkan, in relation to their contempt and hatred of America.
50.) Wal-Mart Is A Company I Wouldn’t Support - LIAR, your wife has received nearly a quater of a million dollars through Treehouse, which is connected to Wal-Mart.
51.) Treehouse Is A Small Company - LIAR, the CEO of Treehouse last year, made more than the CEO of Wal-Mart, according to public records.
52.) University Of Chicago Hospital Pay Is Fair - LIAR, your wife’s pay raise was nearly 150% her already bloated rate and the hospital is a Non-Profit Hospital, which made $100,000,000 in the last 3 years. They overcharge blacks VS whites for services, and overcharge everyone in general by 538%!
53.)I Barely Know Rezko - Only 5 Billed Hours - LIAR, you have known him for 17 years, and decided to do a real estate deal with him during a time when he was proven to be under investigation. Despite this, you divided your property and had them take off $300K before the mortgage problems started. Then Rezko’s wife buys the lot beside it that you can’t afford, saving you $625,000.
54.) My Donations Have Been Checked Thoroughly - LIAR, you only gave back Hsu ($72K) and Rezko (first $66K, then when caught lying $86K, then when caught lying again $150K and now caught lying YET AGAIN OBAMA, it’s $250k) their money when publically called on their involvement in your campaigns.
55.) My Church Is Like Any Other Christian Church - LIAR, your church is so extreme, the pastor who married you, Rev. Wright, just got done blaming the US for 9/11 and named Louis Farrahkan their person of the year.
56.) I Disagree With My Church All The Time - LIAR, you still have yet to repudiate Wright, who married you and your wife, and you still donate large sums of money to assist the church in furthering its message - hatred and revenge. You donated in 2006 alone, $22,500 to the church that you so terribly disagree with. That is nearly $500 PER WEEK - that sure is disagreement, Senator Obama.
57.) I Have Clean Connections Despite Rezko - LIAR, you are not only connected to Exelon and Rezko, you are also connected to Hillary PAC supporter Mr. Hsu, AND an Iraqi Billionaire of ill repute, Nadhmi Auchi, who ripped off people in the Food For Oil, Iraqi deal. Seems Mr. Auchi may have helped Obama buy his million dollar property long before Obama had millions of dollars. Wonder what favors Mr. Auchi expects, when Obama leaves Iraq free to be taken over by special interests such as him.
58.) I never heard sermons like Rev. Wright’s, that have been in videos all day, You Tube - LIAR! 3 days later during your Mea Culpa BS speech you said “Did I hear controversial statements while I sat in that church? Yes I did.”
59.) The Passport Invasion is a conspiracy to find dirt on me! - LIAR. Your own Campaign Foreign Policy Advisor is the CEO of the company that looked into your records. PS - You had them look into yours to hide the fact you looked into Clinton’s and McCain’s more than a year before!
60.) Rev. Meeks has nothing to do with my campaigning - LIAR. Rev. Meeks appeared in ads for your Senate Campaign, donated to you, and helped raise money, then AND NOW. PS - He also seems to despise America.
61.) My wife didn’t mean America is ignorant, she was just using a phrase - LIAR. Again, MicHELLe’s comments perfectly sync with Wright’s, Meeks’, and Farrakhans, both in language, anger, and direction.
62.) I am very Anti-Terror - LIAR. One of your good pals is long time radical and terrorist William Ayers, with whom you have been seen in the last 12 months and who has helped the now jailed khalidi, Professor at Columbia who invited Ahmadinejad to the University, to raise money for Palestinian terrorism attacks against Israel. PS - Your church published a pro Hamas Manifesto - guess you weren’t there on THAT Sunday either? How lucky for you.
63.) I have the best plan to cure the Mortgage Crisis - LIAR. You and your campaign buddy Penny SubPrime Bank Collapse Prizker have had your little fingers full of subprime cash - Obama has taken $1,180,103 from the top issuers of subprime loans: Obama received $266,907 from Lehman, $5395 from GMAC, $150,850 from Credit Suisse First Boston, $11,250 from Countrywide, $9052 from Washington Mutual, $161,850 from Citigroup, $4600 from CBASS, $170,050 from Morgan Stanley, $1150 from Centex, and last but certainly NOT LEAST - Obama received $351,900 from Goldman Sachs. I am sure that cash all came from folks who knew the subprime loan they had was a dream, eh?
March 30, 2008 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hilarious!
You're not even making any attempt to credit the original source, are you?
Guess that makes you a LIAR!
March 30, 2008 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sorry, I couldn't read all of your diatribe over the sniper-fire.
I'd ask if Hillary's paid you for the propoganda yet, but apparently she's not paying anyone lately.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9259.html
I can always tell how poorly Clinton is doing by how much you post. Seeing as you've resorted to cutting and pasting the same Coultergeist positions over and over again, she must be doing GRRREEEEAAT!
How's Texas doin' anyway?
March 30, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
dembillic, your feigned rage is duly noted.
Also noted is how with each ranting post, you appear more unhinged and Repukelican.
Perhaps you should give your addiction to being a Scaife minion on these intertoobes.
March 30, 2008 4:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's not trolling you can believe in, that's trolling you can xerox.
March 30, 2008 7:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Awesome! This is hilarious!
dembillc, you realize you are fast becoming a celebrity at TPM, don't you? Genghis just featured you in a recent recommended blog post. Check it out!
You might become our treasured celebrity mascot troll! You're a top contender for the TYMLTHBW Award. Congratulations, buddy.
Enjoy!
March 30, 2008 7:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's time for Bill to move out of Harlem.
Thanks for helping him pack.
March 31, 2008 9:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Before Iowa, Hillary was assuring Tim Russert it would all be wrapped up (in her favor) on Super Tuesday. Now the idea that the late states whose primaries haven't counted since the last ice age must be heard!
March 30, 2008 7:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I recall a wise woman once said "Time for a reality check". I wonder whatever happened to her....
March 30, 2008 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is this the magic moment when the machine candidate turns against the machine?
I haven't seen a single uncommitted party leader who wants to take it past June.
March 30, 2008 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah...her and what bankers?
The whole point of her campaign for the past 2 years has been "I am inevitable." "Give to me, because I'll remember if you don't." "So half the country hates me? I'm still going to win."
Hey, let her go on , for as long as she can. Let the 20 superdonors who sent out the intimidation letter pay for her campaign.
March 30, 2008 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Clinton campaign is virtually broke and it is committed to hang in there through at least Pennsylvania.
I suspect that her indication that she's in it through the convention is meant to keep her PA supporters from deserting, and perhaps those of later states if she does well in PA and decides to go on.
It's a primary campaign and, despite all the hand wringing, it's been pretty tame.
No later than June 3 we will have a nominee, as I believe the unpledged delegates (supers) will go with the leader. If it goes all the way through June 3, what's the problem?
There are those, with whom I agree, who argue that the drawn out primary is good for the party. If the nominee had already been selected it seems doubtful that there would have been all of the new voters registered in PA, and elsewhere.
March 30, 2008 3:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course maybe she's in it until she pays off all her debts...?
March 30, 2008 4:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
The media needs to simply cease covering Hillary.
She has even less of a chance with the Credentials Committee making any ruling in her favor than she does in winning the upcoming primaries by 70% margins.
The candidate with the most delegates selects the majority of the credentials committee. Why would those delegates decide anything in her favor? Besides the Credentials committee would have no reason to side with Clinton on principle because she is a rules breaker.
Isn't it possible for the media to ignore Clintons' candicacy just like they ignored Biden, Dodd and Edwards?
Let her go to Denver, let her fight like the brawler she is but do we have to be forced to watch or listen?
Whatever happened to the media vacuum where you drown out the noise of those who are clear loser?
The media should simply cover Obama and McCain.
March 30, 2008 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Does anyone think it is the supporters on both sides that are creating a freight train that may be very difficult to stop. It is really getting hairy, aren't most of the people here democrats? I want the anger to be against Mc Cain, not each other. Please think about November, & what the goal is. Don't know about you, but I'm sick of republicans, why give them an advantage?
March 30, 2008 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
what's the problem
There wouldn't be one if the candidates would stay positive, but the more crap that gets thrown on both of them, the more trouble we have in November defeating McCain.
I wouldn't have a problem if Bill Clinton would quit taking every goddamn opportunity to tell us how frelling awesome McCain is. Or Carville wasn't telling everyone Hillary was a fixin to go nukular on Obama.
Nothing about that is good.
March 30, 2008 3:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Or Carville wasn't telling everyone Hillary was a fixin to go nukular on Obama."
When did Carville say that? A link please.
March 30, 2008 4:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Evainne: "Last time we had the war hero and their 527's made him into a coward, liar and fraud. Why don't we have similarly nasty 527 like organizations who can work similar angles against McCain?"
Because as tempting as it is to win at all costs, that's what Republicans do. It was then, and always will be, wrong to trash our war heros.
Stay focused on his policies, they're all we need.
March 30, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm actually enjoying HRC's meltdown. Let her stay in. Obama seems to understand this better than anyone. Hillary is her own worst enemy. By the time we get to Denver her reputation, and Bill's, will be where it belongs in the dumpster.
I think I'll start referring to her as HRC* (just a minor historical footnote at the turn of the century).
March 30, 2008 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Come to think of it rhodydad
you are quite right.
For Obama this must be deja vu Alan Keyes all over again.
He is use to having an ineffectual candidte flail and whine and scream as they have a public loser meltdown about their sorely losing candidacy.
Hillary Clinton is nothing but Alan Keyes to Obama.
They both acted the same way, throwing the kitchen sink at him and making outrageous comments.
March 30, 2008 5:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
When did Carville say that? A link please.
It got posted on a couple of threads that he was hinting at that. I don't have a link for it and if you like, I'll retract it because I don't think Carville's word about anything amounts to anything.
But Bill Clinton has spent almost a week running around talking up the awesomeness of the Republican candidate. That's been talked about and posted on endlessly.
March 30, 2008 4:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've tried to find a transcript of CNN's Late Edition, and have not succeeded.
FWIW (and given the source, this may not be much), The Page reports that "no news was committed" on any of the Sunday morning gabfests.
The Rezko trial is set to resume tomorrow, so maybe the Clintons will be all-REzko all the time, since flacking Wright didn't work.
March 30, 2008 4:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hell, more talk like this and Clinton might just lose Pennsylvania.
March 30, 2008 4:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
HRC in these interviews is obviously engaging in blustery talk, hoping to keep contributions arriving and trying spur, right now, some kind of bargain to revote in FL and MI. She is threatening to "go all the way to the Convention" so as to try to get all parties to agree to schedule new primaries, to keep the process going on and on. Assuming that none of this works -- and why should it, given the large leads Obama is now registering in national polling? -- this bluff won't matter much by mid-May. Chances to make up the delegate gap, or to affect the balance in the Credentials Committee, or to raise money will just dry up for her. Her staffers will drift away and most superdelegates will declare themselves. So what if she still proclaims at that point that she is going on? The party and media and country will move on and pay less attention. This seems already to be happening, and Obama's best bet is to campaign against McCain.
March 30, 2008 4:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Obama was the first to play the race card:"
Sean Wilentz
is the Sidney and Ruth Lapidus professor of history at Princeton University
Quietly, the storm over the hateful views expressed by Sen. Barack Obama's pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, has blown away the most insidious myth of the Democratic primary campaign. Obama and his surrogates have charged that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has deliberately and cleverly played the race card in order to label Obama the "black" candidate.
Having injected racial posturing into the contest, Obama's "post-racial" campaign finally seems to be all about race and sensational charges about white racism. But the mean-spirited strategy started even before the primaries began, when Obama's operatives began playing the race card - and blamed Hillary Clinton"
The issue was his radical paster but he played the race and punked his supporters.
March 30, 2008 4:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
go away troll.
March 30, 2008 4:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, really shucking and jiving was he, at least according to Andrew Cuomo.
March 30, 2008 4:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sean Wilentz is a Clinton supporter.
And it was an Op-Ed, not news.
Nice try.
March 30, 2008 4:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wilnetz also called anyone who supported Obama delusional back in, like, December. So, he's really unbiased.
March 30, 2008 8:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why is it that neither you nor your verbose compatriot DemBillC can spell simple words like "pastor"
March 30, 2008 5:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm trying a link again.
This is a diary at Kos from someone who was a delegate to her district convention last night. The Clinton people were there, challenging credentials. They got delegates disqualified.
Anyway, I have no hope that the link is going to really transfer as a hot link because no matter what I do, I don't seem to be able to make that happen. I'm sorry.
March 30, 2008 4:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tena
Just copy the link from the address bar (right click and copy) and paste in your reply here.
Unlike Ben Smith's blog, TPM is already html enabled visa vis posting links.
March 30, 2008 5:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton has a drive for $3 million in donations by March 31 (that is end of day, not midnight tonight) up at her site, but the donation numbers haven't budged for a couple of hours (it's at $1,921,040 right now) while the countdown clock keeps ticking. I feel pretty safe in assuming that they will make $3 million -- maybe more -- by their deadline, just as the Jerry Lewis telethon always pulls it off.
I guess she'll be able to pay off her small creditors now. Wonder how much change she'll have left over for the rest of the month?
March 30, 2008 4:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
O god, I cannot take any more of this racist crap from Clinton supporters.
It's the most sickening display I've ever seen Democrats make and I just can't take it anymore.
I cannot tell you Clinton supporters, gotalife, how revolting your racism is and how ugly it makes your candidate look.
I can't spend one more second here with this kind of outright racism. I just can't. You're going to drop all the code and go straight to the real words any minute now and I can't take anymore.
You make me sick - I mean that, gotalife - I really mean that.
March 30, 2008 4:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tena,
It was Obama playing the race card. The issue was his radical paster but he played the race card. He praised God damn America and you know it.
Why does that not make you sick?
It makes me sick that you give him a free pass for playing the race card and blaming Clinton.
God bless America!
March 30, 2008 5:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cause we hate your values
March 30, 2008 6:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
PastOr pastOr pastOr, you illiterate
March 30, 2008 9:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tena,
Look at it as the last throes of these chuckleheads as their candidate goes down to defeat. I refuse to take them seriously, especially that gotalife fellow with the Scalia picture. They will be gone soon enough as their chosen candidate self-immolates.
Try not to let them get to you. It's easier to feel sorry for their small mindedness.
March 30, 2008 5:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tena
All the race-baiting is god awful. The thing is though there has never been a time in political history when the Southern Strategy failed.
Race is what is keeping the SD sitting on the fence.
The Clintons are bound and determined to take Obama down with the race card. Can you recall any news story that has lasted 2 weeks like the Wright story has in political history?
Race is the elephant in the room. I am starting to feel nauseous with the expectation of racial polarizing that is going on in PA. Rendell stoked the fans of racial divisiveness weeks ago and he is back at it now.
The only way Hillary can win the nomination is due to SD's being afraid Obama can't win on the basis of race and touting her new demographic 'brown votes' as being key to her electoral college win in the general.
If you have been following this closely...race became a bigger issue than just Clinton race-baiting following the MS primary when Obama won. The pundits all focused in on the racial divide and how blacks voted overwhelmingly for Obama that is when the racial flames started to really catch fire after smoldering with the Clinton racemongering. Right after MS is when the Wright story broke. No one talked about how Obama had won IA and ID and MT anymore..it was all about race. They fanned the brown vs. black divide to win TX as well.
Now, we have the Wright story which is fueling the racial flames and which may succeed in taking Obama out the race after branding him as incapable of bridging the racial divide. Hillary is more than happy to win in this manner. Afterall she can't beleive she is having to fight for the nomination against a NEGRO and an uppity NEGRO at that.
So, I warn all Obama supporters to not get to happy. The entire nomination is likely to turn on the basis of race.
Obama is doing OK in getting endorsements from elected politicians but the SD's who are steadfastly sticking with Hillary are the party regulars, the campaign chairs and party chairs and fundraisers like Ickes, McAuliffe and Brazile. Those are the folks who initially gave Hillary her lead among SD's and they have not budged from her. Had they done so, Hillary would have been forced out of the race after SuperTuesday and most assuredly after the string of 10 consecutive wins by Obama following Super Tuesday. Didn't happen. What DID happen was RACE MONGERING intesified with the WRight tapes.
Folks need to prepare themselves for Hillary winning the nomination on the basis of race. The smokescreen is the Fl/MI delegates ..which is nothing but noise in the background to justify her staying in the race when the real reason is because Obama is the 'black' candidate who cannot win the general. Complete with a whisper campaign among the party regulars.
On the basis of race there is strong likelihood that Hillary will be voted the nominee. The Democrats will not worry about the black voting democratic bloc as they will trade it for the hispanic vote which Hillary has in her pocket.
Blacks out. Hispanics in. Hillary is the 08 nominee courtesy of the SD's.
March 30, 2008 6:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hilarious!
March 30, 2008 5:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tena playing the race card like Obama is too funny.
March 30, 2008 5:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
C'mon folks! Contribute to the cause!
Yes we will! Yes we will! Yes we will!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jfa9XIJxdAg
Okay here is the deal.
Everyone who contributes $25 dollars to my campaign will be entered in a drawing. Dinner with Barack? Shame on you Barack! My plan is better. Contribute today and you can have with me:
Tea for two on tarmac in Tuzla!
Hurry!
March 30, 2008 5:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Check it out. dembillc just beat out gotalife for the coveted Troll You'd Most Like To Have A Beer With award.
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/dembillc-wins-the-troll-youd-m.php
March 30, 2008 5:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Was it a caucus?
March 30, 2008 5:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Admittedly Funny
March 30, 2008 8:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
That is funny. gotalife, you're never going to win at this rate. We need more rants, more rants.
March 30, 2008 11:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why is she polling so poorly?
Why do her "unfavorables" keep growing?
Considering both of those facts, why would anyone want her to be the nominee?
She's 11 months into a primary campaign, and, incredibly, less viable than when she started.
Imagine where she'll be after 12 more months.
March 30, 2008 5:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
To: "dembilic" concerning your list of lies:
Jeez, dude, chill out. Don't you know anything about tone of voice and persuasion? I have this image of you in a purple rage, with eyes rolling in your head and spittle flying from your mouth. Not a pretty sight. Your denunciations are indiscriminate; they show no sense of balance or judgment; and they're uttered with a frantic malice that borders on hatred. He lied about killing his firstborn, he lied about going to college, he lied about coloring his hair -- it's all the same to you. Lie! lies! LIES! Why would I pause a moment to listen to this stuff when my immediate impulse is to flinch and flee? People who scream epithets on the street don't get heard, my friend; they get shunned as cranks. This here is the street in a sense, and therefore a place where the usual rules of decorum should apply.
By the way, isn't it obvious how easy it would be to construct a similar litany against Hillary? And how would that impress you? I bet you'd shrug it off as the ravings of a crank, wouldn't you?
March 30, 2008 5:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
He won the "Troll You'd Most Like To Have A Beer With award."
March 30, 2008 6:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think you'd be a much better person to share a beverage with (I don't drink, so soda would have to do).
The other day you said you'd vote for whoever the Democrat is (even, Heaven forbid-Obama), even though you strongly support Clinton.
That is a much more respectable point of view than the Alleged Troll we'd like most to have a beer with who would rather destroy the D-party than acknowledge that their candidate may not be the nominee.
March 30, 2008 7:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, maybe, unless she runs out of money or her polling numbers continue to tank.
Even the Mighty Clintons can't deny the import of money and favorability.
Perhaps she shoulda exited a "winner".
This could be brutally humiliating.
March 30, 2008 5:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's what I am looking for.
Put The Clintons and their spawn out of business.
March 30, 2008 6:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Try not to let them get to you. It's easier to feel sorry for their small mindedness.
O I know all that, and half of them are trolls, anyway. I caught one using the term "heartland" the other day. No Democrat says that - Clinton supporter, Obama supporter - doesn't matter.
I just had a momentary sense of vertigo and nausea to think there was going to be more of that crap posted.
But I will just skip the comments.
March 30, 2008 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I find Clinton about as credible here as any other statement she's made.
March 30, 2008 5:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
The notion that she can prevail before an Obama dominated credentials committee is totally Tuzla
March 30, 2008 6:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay Chief, we're gonna do Mr. Smith goes to Washington, only it's Mrs. Smith, and now she's running for president - picture this:
Mrs. "Clinton", a fresh new face to politics, is taking her populist support to make a heroic run for the White House. Not for herself, but for all the little people. But the big party machinery is supporting Obama, the old line candidate whose base of support is with a few powerful mega-donors.
They fight tooth and nail for months, but the hopes of poor underdog Mrs. Clinton are slowly fading. If only she can hold on til the convention, and convince the unpledged delegates that democracy means something, that the voice of the people should be heard........
FADE TO: annoyed spouse, nudging sleeping Clinton supporter -
"Come on, honey - wake up and smell the coffee!"
March 30, 2008 6:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton Vows to Stay in Race for 100 Years (HuffPo)
March 30, 2008 6:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tax returns are supposed to be released THIS WEEK.
March 30, 2008 6:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
JohnMcCSF - you are hilarious.
March 30, 2008 6:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, she goes to the convention and causes a floor fight. Let's assume for the moment that she wins and becomes the nominee. How on earth does she plan on actually winning a general election campaign against McCain with 2 months to plan and execute it? Never mind angry Obama supporters, high negatives, low trustworthiness numbers, minimal appeal to independent voters, having gone the entire summer fighting a war on two fronts against Obama and McCain, and democrats splitting their fundraising between two campaigns. How does she expect to carry out a general election campaign in only 2 months and succeed?
March 30, 2008 6:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
What is difficult about that? Hillary is the establishment candidate and she has the national name recognition. She will have just finished campaigning in all 50 states. She has already demonstrated she can 'win' the big states, CA, FL, NY, FL...is all she needs electorally to win right? She has the hispanic voting block. And the party will be betting that females will come out in droves to vote for the first female.
What's hard to see about this?
March 30, 2008 7:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's hard to see is that she won't even have her own party's support, since like it or not, a bunch of Obama Republicans and independents will vote for McCain and she doesn't have time to rectify it. Not to mention that the youth vote will probably be hugely depressed.
March 30, 2008 7:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
She will not need party support. White racial solidarity will win the day for Hillary. Everything in American political history says that is sufficient.
March 30, 2008 7:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
She won't get this whitey.
March 30, 2008 9:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's difficult is that McCain will be riding high all through the summer free to cement his story to the public, free to raise all kinds of money and not have to spend much of it, free to get his ground game in place contacting voters, and all the Republican media groups will be holding their fire and will literally bury whoever is the dem nominee in negative commercials from the balloon drop all the way to election day. On top of that the dem nominee will have to try and piece the party back together, iron out their fundraising, and build a national campaign all in 2 months. Convention floor fight = President McCain, bet on it.
Hillary must know this, a cynical person might even say she is betting on it in the sense that it forces Obama and the DNC to settle the Michigan/Florida question on her terms to spare a possible convention fight. She is in essence trying to take the nomination process hostage.
March 30, 2008 7:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
How does she expect to carry out a general election campaign in only 2 months and succeed?
What I want to know is how does she expect to carry out a general election campaign and succeed when Terry McAuliffe and every other proven loser the Democrats have is on her campaign staff?
I don't want Terry McAuliffe running the campaign for the Democratic candidate for the presidency. We've done nothing but lose using Clinton style campaigning and Clinton's campaign staff, since Clinton himself won it that way. It worked but it was Clinton - not the campaign style. Not those consultants - they have not won a thing since.
March 30, 2008 6:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
It could be argued that it didn't even work with Bill Clinton. He won his first term because of Ross Perot, without Perot in the race GHWB would have won reelection. I suppose you could say the big state strategy worked for Clinton's reelect but being the incumbent was also a large factor in his favor.
March 30, 2008 7:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is being reported that Clinton is not paying some of her campaign bills due to insufficient funds. How can she possibly stay in for the duration while stiffing the small business people who have done event work for her while asking for their votes. How can she run the country when she can't run a fiscally viable campaign?
March 30, 2008 7:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did anyone read this on the front page:
"Many Clinton supporters find the current attempts to muscle her out of the race despicable. Maybe now is the time for Obama to take one for the team and accept her offer of the VP slot. It is the position he is better qualified for, would end a situation that is supposedly hurting the party, and would put him in a better position to run next time. Clinton has no “next time,” so it makes more sense for Obama to be the one to step aside. "
I find this type of delusional entitlement simply mind boggling. Where the hell do these Clinton supporters get off thinking that the candidate who has WON fair and square while abiding by the rules should simply accept the VP slot? WTF!
This smacks of racial and gender hubris beyond belief!! Why would anyone think that Hillary has any qualifications that make her 'more qualified' to be President? The woman simply does not stack up against Obama when it comes to political legislation or elected office experience, she has significantly less.
What this reminds me of is the Apprentice when the FIRST black candidate won and Trump wanted him to share the win with the white female runner up!! Randall Pinkett was far superior in every dimension to the white female AND he had WON fair and square.
What gives with our society where the white female thinks just on the basis of race and gender she trumps a black male who soundly whips her BY THE RULES!!!
I beleive it is because they are all affirmative action candidates. Hillary is the penultimate affirmative action candidate in this presidential race NOT Obama. Hillary is the one who is where she is on the basis of race and gender NOT Obama.
Why in the world would Obama run a winning campaign and beat HRC all over the nation and then he is the one who is supposed to 'take one for the team'...if this is not upside down topsy turvy what is?
Where does such entitlement spring from other than a racial superiorty? What is up with this.
This is why I believe this nomination is going to be stolen from Obama on the basis of race. These types of statements by Clinton supporters are unbelievable.
There seems to be no recognition that Hillary is the one not just breaking the rules but who should be taking one for the team and announcing she is suspending her campaign in the best interest of the Democratic party.
After all...the Clintons have HAD a turn in the WH.
These kind of comments from Clinton supporters are precisely what fuels the anger from individuals like Rev Wright. Who have seen this type of racial injustice over and over where whites create specious arguments to justify selecting a person on the basis of race over a far more qualified and superior candidate ...who in this case has trounced her soundly.
I abhor and detest the Clintons for this.
March 30, 2008 7:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whoa, relax...
There are two ways to respond to comments like that:
1. hahahaha
2. Dear Sen. Clinton:
Please meet your primary challenger for when you run for reelection...
http://www.nassaucountyny.gov/agencies/CountyExecutive/index.html
(payback is the new bitch)
March 30, 2008 8:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sounds like a credible threat.
March 30, 2008 7:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Quote of the Day
March 30, 2008 7:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
And the party will be betting that females will come out in droves to vote for the first female.
What's hard to see about this?
Nothing,but that's not all you need to win.
Lots of young voters won't vote - they are only in this because of Obama. Ditto some African Americans. Voter turnout in predominantly African American precincts has historically been low here, for a lot reasons that are very understandable. I would have quit voting too, given the "choices."
How can she win without the literally hundreds of thousands of newly active Democrats that Obama has been responsible for igniting?
How can she beat McCain without those votes? Those are the people who are more likely to not vote at all.
The old maxim is that when turnout is high, Democrats win. Well the corollary is that when it's low, we don't.
March 30, 2008 7:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tena
The Democratic party has historical won without turning out the youth vote. Nothing new there.
Those new voters are needed for Obama to win not Hillary, would be the thinking of the SD's. They believe that Hillarys demographic would be voters over 40 primarily working class voters as well as hispanics and the female vote. Remember, they will be betting that women are going to cross over and vote for her. That is what their thinking would be.
The SD's are betting that turnout will be high based on the historic candidacy of a FEMALE for Presidency. They are also counting on the fact that the vast majority will not put a GOP back in the WH and that this is the Democrats year to win back the WH. In short, they are giving little to no credence to the increase in turnout to Obama's candidacy. They think it is just fueled by wanting a Democratic, no matter who, to be in the WH.
I totally disagree with that reasoning but the media has failed to cover the fact that it is Obama who is responsible for the high turnout of Democratic voters.
The media has not even covered how Obama has come from 20 points down repeatedly in state after state to overtake Clinton or to come within 5 percentage points of the popular vote while winning the most delegates consistently.
March 30, 2008 7:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Those new voters are needed for Obama to win not Hillary, would be the thinking of the SD's. They believe that Hillarys demographic would be voters over 40 primarily working class voters as well as hispanics and the female vote. Remember, they will be betting that women are going to cross over and vote for her. That is what their thinking would be.
How do you figure that when it wasn't enough to win us '04? The old coalition isn't working.
Just like the old ideas that Terry McAuliffe and the rest keep pushing.
March 30, 2008 8:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tena,
I agree with you. It is the SD's who think that way. I was giving their rationale. They think Kerrey loss because he was swiftboated. They are not attributing that loss to turnout. Afterall, Gore won the popular vote as well. So, you see in their minds, the way they will reflect on historical patterns, they don't beleive the youth vote is needed.
They also think they will be able to keep the coalition based on the historic candidacy of a female. I disagree on that premise as well. They keep talking about how women are 51% of the voting electorate but they don't see to place as much emphasis on how polarizing Hillary is even to women voters. Lots of women particurlarly the professional women of her generation and the 80s do not feel any sisterhood with Hillary as her achievements are primarily based on her being MRS. Bill Clinton. However, the SD's are willing to roll the dice that if a female tops the ticket women are going to set that aside and vote enmasse for Hillary. Folks who think that way, simply do not understand females or how they think. Even coaches of female teams have acknowledged that if females do not like a teammate even if she is the most outstanding athlete on the team, they will not play with her.
Women are NOT going to vote for Hillary. They do not like her and they do not beleive that she has the leadership qualities to take this nation forward. Many do not find her credible based on Bosnia, Bill's philandering and her constant cries of 'the boys are picking on me' . Can you imagine that type of petulance when she is faced with world crises and the men do not capitulate to her worldview...and the Middle East will give her no respect for that bullying and whinning.
The SD's are also betting on a huge hispanic turnout..even though historically they have not voted in high numbers. Unlike blacks, who are the only group to have had to shed blood and die to vote, and consistently turnout. The SD's thought are betting that the brown vote turnout will be high enough to offset the failure of blacks to vote either by staying home or to not vote for the top of the ticker or some will even vote for McCain, as the sense of injustice will so great as it will not matter to them as they will view the game as rigged no matter what.
Folks, like McAuliffe and Ickes and Emanuel are going to lead the floor fight and fan the flames of racial divisiveness. While others will focus on turning out the female vote.
My prediction is that just like Ferraro, it will be a losing ticket. While Hillary will not galvanize Dems to the polls...she will galvanize the GOP in HUGE numbers.
Limbaugh will get the results he has pushed for and karma will bite Billary in the butt for having stooped so low as to go on his show after he called their own daughter a dog.
March 30, 2008 8:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
WOW! Thanks!
March 30, 2008 8:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Edwards in a speech yesterday in NC:
"We are blessed, first, to have an extraordinarily talented African American who could be the next president of the United States," Edwards said. "There's no way to contest the fact that he's inspired this country."
"And Senator Clinton, who has served America for so long and so well, and has shown so much strength and leadership, has really forged an extraordinarily historic campaign as a woman for the nomination and for the presidency."
Seems clear to me that, to Obama, he's saying
AVE,
and to Clinton, he's saying
VALE.
March 30, 2008 8:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
And really, how can someone purport to think for the SDs?
Really?
March 30, 2008 8:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's what I see - if everyone just got behind the man, Obama would massacre the Republicans. Not just McCain; we could just about take back this country and turn lots of places like Texas, Democratic or a lot closer to being totally Democratic, than we have in a long time. God, please, Hillary - if everyone works together in this one, it could be an historic victory - we could just clear out all kinds of trash.
I get so frustrated -
March 30, 2008 8:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Spawn!
Flying Monkeys!
Blowflies!
I need your money!
Ante up you bastards.
We can win this thing...
But not by posting long lists of lies about my foe on a blog thread. Crap. That's goat and donkey work for droolers and dollops.
Pricks! I need money! Cash. Bread. Lettuce. Moola. Do-re-mi. I need your money. C'mon commenters... Put your asses and assets on the line for me. I'm dying here. Send me your money. Now.
[crickets chirping]
March 30, 2008 9:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Donna Brazile was wrong about the makeup of the Credentials Committee and Clinton can actually gain a majority on it, and thus seat the existing Florida and Michigan delegations":
http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/30/125512/545/1006/487172
When Clinton is President, we are taking over this blog.
March 30, 2008 9:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you from planet mars?
Obama's big win in the Kansas democratic caucus will probably translate into about 35% of the vote in the general election and a loss to McCain. Ditto for Utah, South Carolina, etc.
Worse yet, with all his money he cannot beat HRC in California, MA, TX, OH.
Look at the big picture. The general election.
Yeah Obama will get the youth vote and the elite educated vote, but that will not win the general election.
Get down from cloud 9 and get real.
HRC and Obama together may do it but either of them alone will have an uphill battle.
March 30, 2008 9:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
gotalife- I guess it depends mostly on your frame of reference how you see this. Yours is clearly Clinton-tinted. Mine is largely based on what I saw happen in Texas during the primary and the caucuses and the conventions. This is Texas. I stood in the Obama line with: women in their 60s - white, women in the 20s and 30s and 40s and 50s, students, young business people, middle aged men - white, Hispanics, young families with their kids - the most heterogenous group of people imaginable. And the line was out the door and across the lawn and the line for Clinton was a third of that.
Then I started seeing the news reports on the numbers of people who showed up at the caucuses for Obama. It's not just Bush hating - something else is going on here and it has the potential to bring us back to greatness, IMO. I know you don't agree, and god I wish you could see it. I saw it happen here - I've never seen anything like it. I keep saying that because I mean it.
March 30, 2008 9:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tena - OT, but you really should drop by Sadly, No! I just know how much you'd love stuff like this: http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/9157.html#more-9157
Hopefully, that will post as a link. In case it doesn't, maybe this will work.
March 30, 2008 9:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ah, the great hope for unity argument. Nothing wrong with it except Obama's negatives do not fit his rhetoric. The lies, the divisive pastor, Rezko, inexperience, the great superunknown.
Number one rule in politics: Never ever trust a politician. When did they earn our trust? After Vietnam and Iraq, you are going to blindly trust a lying politician to change the world? Lobbyists control Washington and you want to trust them? Ask Obama to ban lobbyists or go after the billion dollar corporate media or big oil and watch him squirm. End corporate influence in government and you will get your change. Edwards was the only one talking about it and look what happened. What has Obama done for change?
I am sorry but I don't think so. The best we can do right now is go back to the Clinton policies and try to undo w's disasters. I do not think Obama will win the general and nothing will change. I have been following politics for a very long time and all I see in Obama is just another lying politician.
March 30, 2008 10:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not sure who you're asking, but you're clearly from somewhere other than reality.
No Dem is going to lose MA or CA,and no Dem is going to win Texas.
The republican party is currently about as apathetic as they've been in more than 2 decades. Having Clinton to root against in the general will serve to mobilize them.
Clinton might be immune to Republican attacks, but that's only because they've already burned her to a crisp and there's nowhere else to go. Her negative ratings hover beyond 50%.
Who the hell knows what will happen with Obama (though I'm optimistic myself). But Hillary Clinton, of all people, is not the one to claim that she's a safe alternative.
March 30, 2008 9:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
They better not lose MA, CA
But I can easily see Obama, by himself, losing
PA, OH, FL.
It will be almost impossible to win the general election without those states in the democratic column.
HRC's attacks on obama and
Obama's attacks on HRC will be tame when
compared to the attacks that will be unleashed by the Rove machine working with McCain.
McCain does not care about getting the hardcore dems angry at him. He just needs a few swing voters to get nervous about the dem candidate and get his base fired up and he will be in the White House.
Remember what they did to Kerry, Dukakis, Gore.
Get real. You need an experienced team to beat the republican machine.
Get obama and HRC to work together and the sooner the better. Both of them are falling behind McCain nationally. And McCain really has not even begun to campaign yet.
March 30, 2008 10:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's get something clear here:
If anyone has anything to fear from a Rove GOP machine it's *Hillary*.
Hillary has been running a Rovian style campaign on Obama for several months now. If you think of Hillary as clever at all (and I certainly do), you know full well if there were anything to throw at Obama it would have been done already.
In contrast, Obama isn't trying to run a smear campaign, he only hits if hit first. As a result, Obama hasn't even attempted to turn over stones on HRC's doings (short of asking her to release some tax forms and some additional transparency).
So stop your fear mongering -- the Dems can do just fine with Obama at the head of the ticket.
Okay?
March 31, 2008 2:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
No Dem is going to lose MA or CA,and no Dem is going to win Texas.
The Democrats are 5 seats from taking back the Texas lege.
I guess we'll see what happens in the election. I know what I see, hear and feel going on in Texas, but hey, who am I? I just live here.
:)
March 30, 2008 9:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
A question. I'm reading that the Clinton campaign has debts it can't pay now, so just how does she keep going without money?
March 30, 2008 9:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Quackers,
She's rich.
Speaking of...when were those taxes going to be released again?
March 30, 2008 10:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Denver is a long way, especially when you don't pay your bills.
March 30, 2008 10:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice.
Where is the unity?
March 30, 2008 10:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not Obama. Just a guy with rudimentary photoshop skills.
I made another one that said "Kick Me hard" but I liked this one better. I counter your bitterness & ugliness with juvenile humor.
Gotalife, get a life.
March 30, 2008 10:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're incoherent, "Wisdom".
March 30, 2008 10:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
And you are naive.
skippy.
March 30, 2008 11:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
True enough that she's rich, but she's already ponied up $5 mil and I doubt she'll go to her own money again. So again, how does she get to Denver if she's broke?
March 30, 2008 10:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
How will she stay in the Senate after so many of her fellow Dems have deserted her. Klobuchar will endorse Obama tomorrow.
Her best bet now is a seat on the Supreme Court. Or the governor of New York. Or webmaster to Taylor Marsh's web site.
March 30, 2008 10:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
cswartout,
It's not that dire. She can go back to the Senate and be fine. She will be part of the majority and be valued. No question on that score. Unless, of course, she pursues scorched earth and keeps threatening the party. Then, she will have to spend time mending fences, but she'll be okay.
I doubt she wants to be Governor of New York, either.
March 30, 2008 11:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is the march to Denver that would do her in with the party. Endorsements come and go, but destroying your party is a once in a lifetime opportunity.
I know she's not interested in being NY Gov. It was floated by someone in the press the other day, probably as a way to stick it to her.
She needs to go out on a positive note. My guess is she will win PA, and then on May 6 she will split Indiana & NC, and will be able to suspend her candidacy on a day where she had won a race.
March 30, 2008 11:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
for those actually taking the time and pixels to respond to Gotalife, there's no point. it's not even an actual Clinton supporter, just your everyday run of the mill sort of troll. by definition it doesn't ever make a salient point, and it's too over the top to even be funny, so i'd suggest just ignoring it.
March 30, 2008 11:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
More humor! Some of these comments are great!
The Clinton robo posters are useless to argue with...they're all over the net and not original in their content at all!
Course, I'd probably be humorless too if my candidate was out of donors, unpaid bills to little guy businesses all over the country, no tax returns released yet showing how rich they've gotten off of god knows what, lying about virtually every foreign relations item mentioned, lying about NAFTA, claiming this state or that doesn't count for one reason or another but we MUST count the illegal votes of those rogue states they won....on and on and on...
It is really sad.
March 31, 2008 2:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Just like you, G Davis, to blame a strong women like Hillary Rodham Clinton for being resourceful. Just think where this country would be if the Founding Fathers had withered in the face of a little adversity? But when a woman tries to soldier on it's sad? You make me sick.
March 31, 2008 8:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary Clinton's reputation as a fighter, perhaps her most lauded political trait, would be severely damaged if she surrenders at a time that could in away way be construed as premature.
We are stuck with her.
And watch as she takes credit for preparing Barack Obama to cross the "commander-in-chief threshold" should he win in November. Heck, she might even do it sooner.
I just hope there's a Democratic Party left at that point. (A bit over-dramatic, but you get the point.)
March 31, 2008 3:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary: No you're not.
Donors, supers and voters decide, not you.
March 31, 2008 9:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Will she drop out after PA, on a "high note"?
March 31, 2008 9:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's interesting how this race is becoming like an episode of 24. Barack Obama is similar to the character David Palmer, at the time of the show there were no Democrat blacks like him running for president, especially not a senator. Like David Palmer Obama has trouble with his wife making incendiary remarks.
Also in the show David Palmer was trying to be conciliatry in foreign policy, while oil businessmen were trying to start a war in the middle east to make oil prices go up to make themselves money.
The character David Palmer was so good I often wished he would run for president in real life. However I wonder how many of the scenarios from 24 might play out in real life if Obama did become president. For example if Obama had a white moderate VP such as Hillary, would he be under pressure to be impeached if he made threatening policies to the status quo?
March 31, 2008 9:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
What are the forces at play as SUPERDELEGATES attempt to navigate the endorsement game?
One unspoken but very important role of the top party leader - the President, is to provide cover for potentially exposed members throughout the country.
As the race between Obama and Clinton heats-up there is potential for one of the candidates to over-reach in their criticism of the other, creating collateral damage for other party leaders. A good example of this is when Hillary brought Rezko into the debate. Shining a light on Rezko potentially hurt Democrats beyond Illinois and may land several Democratic Leaders and Superdelegates in prison. This created ripple effects throughout the party. Suddenly leaders worried that Hillary was either a loss canon or she intended to play hardball politics against those would come out against her. Regardless, the message was clear "Hillary is to be feared." Carville's "judas" branding of Richardson is another example of hardball politics to stem the bleeding of supporter to Obama.
For many, unconnected to Rezko but potentially exposed to other unscrupulous dealings, fear that the escalation of these tactics could lead to a response by Obama's camp that would put them on the chopping blocks. This fear was shared by both Obama and Clinton supporters. Now we know that Obama chose not to respond in kind, but limited criticism that hurt Hillary's credibility only ("support for NAFTA", "TUZLA", etc).
When you review the potential risk for supporters of either candidate you quickly realize that Hillary's portfolio is more exposed. She has a broad network within the party faithful and longevity in national politics. Just as the candidate has a history, so too do these coalitions and supporters and those histories could come to haunt them if a candidate chooses to expose them for political gain. Obama's camp is just as aware of these histories as Hillary's camp. Before Rezko many expected Hillary to protect their interests and tactics, but now doubt lingers.
Her longevity, by its nature, creates additional uncertainty for long-term supporters and coalitions. They have to face the relevancy equation of a candidates need of their support which is determined by the reality of demographics. Over the course of the Clinton's career the reality is that demographics have changed significantly. Also the demographic alignment of a Obama vs. Clinton race could expose them to abandonment by the Clinton camp when the race intensifies, as many in the African-American community have come to realize recently and gays realized during Bill's administration.
In the end it may turn out that the "confidence Level" for Obama is trading much higher among party faithfuls than for Clinton (whether they are supporters of Obama or Clinton). Thus, Hillary's challenge is to raise the risk potential for those who come-out for Obama. The trading of "risk" is like shorting one position on "confidence."
It appears that a Superdelegate, who is mindful of its constituencies, has to worry whether Hillary would retaliate against them through leaks of impropriety, scandal, or even indictment. They know she is brilliant and she has taught them to fear her.
This is a tough time among thieves.
March 31, 2008 12:19 PM | Reply | Permalink