CBS Poll Has Mostly Good News For Obama On Race Speech
A new CBS poll shows Barack Obama receiving high marks for his speech on race relations.
The poll shows 69% of registered voters saying Obama did a good job of addressing race relations, and 71% said he did a good job explaining his relationship with Jeremiah Wright. The poll also showed 63% saying they agree with Obama on race relations.
Among voters who have followed the Wright controversy, only 14% said they were less likely to vote for Obama as a result — with an equal 14% saying they were more likely to vote for him, and 70% saying it would make no difference.
One bit of lasting damage appears to be on whether voters believe Obama can unite the country, a theme that has been one of the cornerstones of his candidacy. On that question he is at 52% Yes to 35% No, a decline from his score of 67%-25% last month.















Well Rev. Wright was righteous after all!
March 21, 2008 8:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Even I might have answered "No" to the last question, until I heard what Mike Huckabee had to say on the issue.
Granted Huckabee doesn't speak for the dittoheads, but there is no question that when Obama offered the olive branch he reached out and took it.
I agree that uniting the entire country is impossible, but I'll happily settle for uniting the rest of it against Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter.
March 21, 2008 8:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Huckabee claimed to get 48% of the black vote in AK. While that might be a stretch, he likely got around 30%. That's extremely good for a republican, and interestingly Huckabee is someone who actually made an effort to reach out to the black community.
If Huckabee were, say 20% less nutty, he'd probably be a formidable opponent.
March 21, 2008 11:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I cannot prove it; however, I think Huckabee's comments reflect his Hope, AR roots... not, unlike Bill Clinton's. That's not to say the two men are equal but, rather, that both have long-exhibited a sensitivity to complex issues of race and and uncanny ability to at least understand the "other" side better than most. We see the same characteristic in Obama. Not only do these 3 folks seem to be good listeners, they seem to a great degree "feel your pain." It is in their policy solutions where things get very, very messy.
March 22, 2008 6:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I was one of those against the "speech." I would have done the news show circuit, which he did at first and let it die a slow death.
Obama took the high road. He took the ballsy road. He took the presidential road and addressed the issue head on and honestly. He had tremendous faith in the american people. And it appears that he is right.
These polls and this election really are reviving my faith in the american people. I am shocked by these poll numbers. I never in a million years would have thought the polls would be saying what they are saying, not even close. Especially, not so soon.
Wow. Is it really a new day in america? Can we actually have an honest and straightforward government? Are we ready for a true leader? The first one in over 40 years. I still am in shock. I hope so, but who knows.
The issue is how many matties and raeks and other clintonistas/republicans that refuse to look at reality. I am sure there are alot in the republican camp. However, maybe america is really ready for a new dawn. I really hope so. Bottom line. Wow.
March 21, 2008 9:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Michael A, you just nailed it. One of Barack Obama's greatest qualities is his tremendous faith in the American people. He's the first politician in my lifetime who I felt wasn't trying to place himself above the rest of us. Hillary wants to run the country. Obama wants to lead.
March 22, 2008 1:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Teflon has a new name: Obama
(that's a compliment - on the internet, it is hard to know sometimes)
March 21, 2008 9:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary-Troll: "HE'S DOOMED! DOOOOMED, I tell you!!! The country will NEVER vote for Barack HUSSEIN Obama and his racist, America-hating PASTOR!!" "OH NOES!! LOOK AT TEH POLLS!! HE'S MELTING!!!!! MELTIIIIIINNNNGGG! Bwahahaaaaa!"
Meanwhile, back in Realityville. . .
Wow, America isn't as dumb as everyone thought it was. Who'da thunk it?
March 21, 2008 9:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
They elected w twice.
"I would eat this up like cake."
-- GOP hatchetman Rick Wilson, who did the 2002 Cleland-Osama morph ads,
talking about what the GOP will do with Obama-Wright connection
"It’s harder for people to say it’s taken out of context because these are Wright’s own words.
You let people draw their own conclusions. You don’t have to say that he’s unpatriotic; you don’t
question his patriotism. Because I guaran-damn-tee you that, with that footage, you don’t have to."
-- Chris LaCivita, GOP hatchetman who helped craft the Swift Boat commercials against Kerry
Hello, do you want to lose for the third straight time?
March 21, 2008 9:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hello, do you want to lose for the third straight time?
No, that's why I'm so firmly opposed to a Hillary candidacy. She has huge negatives, a problem with telling the truth (as her inflated claims of experience coming back to haunt her now show very clearly), and lots of negative history for the GOP to mine. Being "vetted" doesn't mean that the GOP machine reminding everyone about cattle futures (just to pick one example of many) won't erode her support.
March 21, 2008 9:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
If the Republicans go that route, Obama can counter with the Huckabee clip.
Republican voters have a choice: either go with Huckabee or go with Chris LaCivita.
And that isn't much of a choice at all.
I'm finding that the biggest difference between posters here isn't so much whether they prefer Clinton or Obama, or even whether they support the Democratic party or the Republicans.
No, the biggest difference is simply that one group of people believes in the power of Karl Rove and the dittoheads and the other does not. I don't know which party is more likely to win this election, but I do believe that whatever else happens, Rove and his acolytes (including Mark Penn) are losing. If McCain is depending on their support for November, so will he.
March 21, 2008 10:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would much rather lose doing the right thing than I would lose doing the "smart" thing, which is what's happened the last couple elections.
March 21, 2008 11:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Have you seen the movie "Uncounted"?
http://www.uncountedthemovie.com/
W didn't win either election.
March 23, 2008 7:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
You truly don't get it.
We are not afraid of you and your lousy hatchet men any more. Bush and his idiotic war, this pathetic recession, and a pre Alzheimers McCain are nothing to fear. Get over yourself.
I can't wait until the new Democratic President announces the newest Supreme Court nominee to sit alongside your wingnut hero.
March 21, 2008 11:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Have you seen the movie "Uncounted". W was never elected. Not in 2000 and not in 2004!
March 23, 2008 7:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
The endorsement of Bill Richardson, combined with these polls, are swinging the door shut. I admire the fighting spirit of Clinton supporters, and in another year we could afford the fight on principle.
But not this time.
These polls affirm what we've known since the 2006 election: the People are ready to move on. To continue the fight now belies any possible Clintonian future. The goalposts had too many wheels.
A Clinton shift in support to Obama this spring would devastate McCain. Was anyone else reminded of Nancy prompting Ronnie? (shiver me timbers...)
We have such big fish to fry. Time to end this primary season, and before PA. It's her crack now. She must set it down.
Pax,
M.
March 21, 2008 9:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sittin shiva with The Last Dog
March 21, 2008 9:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
One other thing on wright. When I first heard to 2 minute splice hit job I was floored. I was worried and concerned about obama's chances.
Now the more that is coming out about wright, obviously the splice was taken totally out of context. Also, wright is truly an honorable, thoughtful, patriotic american. WTF, sorry reverend wright, but this is an outrage to lambast and vilify this honorable man, who served his country. It is horrible. I hope the clintons and the fox entertainment and right-wing corporate media crowd rot in Hell for what they have done to taint this patriotic american. Outrageous. I hope he gets to give a prayer and sermon at obama's inauguration
March 21, 2008 9:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is impossible for Obama's integrity, sensitivity and intelligence to NOT shine through.
If the Wright nonsense (are we really voting on peoples' clergymen, now? Puleeze..), and his eloquent, reasoned and honest response to it *hadn't* risen to the top for all to see its merit, I'd have been surprised.
The whole thing was handled like a superb leader.
March 21, 2008 9:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Where is the radical spititual adviser?
Is he on the street corner screaming God damn America?
Kerry to the rescue:
"Obama has an ability to help us bridge the divide in religious extremism,
to maybe even give power to moderate Islam."
-- John Kerry, opening his damn fool mouth again
Moderate Islam?
At least he did not spew to eliminate Islam like McBushies kook.
March 21, 2008 9:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Last I saw of Reverand Wright, he was shaking Bill Clinton's hand at the prayer breakfast, what did the news guy say tonight? "The most shameful misuse of religion in presidential politics", I think was the quote.
I also saw Wright seated next to Hillary at lunch in some other photo.
No wait, he was in the hospital next LBJ, having assisted in surgery. You could really see the hate seething from him in that photo....
March 21, 2008 10:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!
March 21, 2008 9:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Welcome back, idiotic!
March 21, 2008 9:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
C'mon idiotic... we need you to weigh in here... keep the faith!
March 21, 2008 9:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
gotalife,
You watch too much Fox News, man. You need to turn off the TV and get some air.
March 21, 2008 9:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've got more good news for Obama. Looks like Hillary just got caught fabricating a harrowing story to impress army folk.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/how-will-hillarys-bosnia_b_92844.html
March 21, 2008 9:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sad to see Hillary supporters like gotalife embracing the methods of Karl Rove, when those methods have finally stopped working.
~
March 21, 2008 10:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is nothing. Have you been to the ABC News blogs, like Political Radar and Political Punch?
The responders there, most of whom are Clinton supporters, are frothing at the mouth. They've devolved into slobbering almost-racists, talking in damning terms about Obama being 'biracial' and therefore 'hiding behind his black side.'
March 21, 2008 10:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
From ABC News.
Former Officials Say Clinton Did Not Fight NAFTA
Jake Tapper: "I have now talked to three former Clinton Administration officials whom I trust who tell me that then-First Lady Hillary Clinton opposed the idea of introducing NAFTA before health care, but expressed no reservations in public or private about the substance of NAFTA."
"Yet the Clinton campaign continues to propagate this myth that she fought NAFTA tooth and nail because she opposed the substance of the bill."
March 21, 2008
March 21, 2008 10:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, if this is correct, I have new found respect for the country. Maybe they are smarter than the pundits say they are. (Scarborough etc)
March 21, 2008 10:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's amazing how the MSM expects people to make snap decisions. Give it a bit of time to sink in. More and more will come around.
March 21, 2008 10:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
And Wright is looking a lot less bad. When is FoxNews and ABC going to APOLOGIZE for that distorted splice job.
Pundits were talking about Obama listening to "20 years of hate".
And that was based on 30 seconds of mixed videos.
Now that some people are publishing full videos, it seems entirely different. The preachers goes overboard and is controversial, but hardly the extremist Fox and ABC were pretending.
So when does the MSM apologize to the church?
Can they sue?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/21/meet-the-white-man-who-_n_92793.html
http://youtube.com/watch?v=bOOL3BYaIEQ
"Don't let anybody make you think God chose America as his divine messianic force to be a sort of policeman of the whole world. God has a way of standing before the nations with justice and it seems I can hear God saying to America "you are too arrogant, and if you don't change your ways, I will rise up and break the backbone of your power, and I will place it in the hands of a nation that doesn't even know my name. Be still and know that I'm God. Men will beat their swords into plowshafts and their spears into pruning hooks, and nations shall not rise up against nations, neither shall they study war anymore." I don't know about you, I ain't going to study war anymore."
Martin Luther King Jr.
Address to the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (1967-08-16)
March 21, 2008 10:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here is a Obamaniac:
http://bp2.blogger.com/_UQPUzwdX51o/R-RtlgvODxI/AAAAAAAAAHE/NqOctSMDVA8/s1600-h/20080321SFAntiWarWright02.jpg
Geez.
March 21, 2008 10:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Linking to a photo of a random protester on the street.
God, you're good. The GOP needs you!! To start, you can help the team by giving to the McCain campaign. Generously.
Following that, you can comment on blogs with pictures of random protestors. Oh wait, you already did that.
Following that, you could donate to the campaign again, as it is clear they need the money. All of McCain's big money guys are dying off.
And following that, you could explain to Senator McCain the difference between Sh'ia and Sunni Muslims. He apparently had a slip of the brain or 2 this week.
March 21, 2008 11:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow. A picture of some random person with no provenence in the age of Photoshop. Yeah, that totally convinces me because I'm a total drooling idiot, just like all the other voters.
March 22, 2008 11:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
GREAT news for Obama.
March 21, 2008 10:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gotalife was an anti-Obama troll on Daily Kos. For some reason it has now moved over here. Gotalife used to write dozens of comments - mostly short and insulting attacks on Obama's character - every day. But it apparently decided to leave there on Feb. 24 (so, gotalife is not "on strike" or anything...http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/2/24/0145/58344/402#c402
I guess we can infer from the avatar that gotalife is male. That avatar - Scalia telling you to screw yourself - is pretty revealing. Gotalife might not even be a Hillary troll. It might be a Republican.
Gotalife concentrates on lots of short comments. Maybe it gets paid by the posted comment. Who cares, really.
Maybe it gets paid by the response.
So don't feed it.
March 21, 2008 11:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree, but I use these idiots to work on my snark. I use them as a writing exercise.
Thanks for the history. He's no Matthew Weaver though!!
March 21, 2008 11:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, it's a slow news day...
Gotalife was indeed autobanned at Daily Kos. It has attempted to return there as a sockpuppet, apparently unsuccessfully. The link above will allow you to see some of the nice things kossacks have had to say about gotalife (i.e., it's considered to be such a clumsy troll that they miss having it to kick around).
March 21, 2008 11:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
As ever, Billary are to be sunk by their own cynicism, hoisted upon their own petard, (whatever a petard is). And not for the first time this season, either.
Exhibit A: January: Obama tells America "we can do better." Hillary tells America, "don't believe in Santa Claus." Obama wins; NH exception that proves the rule. Super Tues a draw.
Exhibit B: February: Given the choice between going positive or negative in OH and TX, they went negative, natch, and while it gave them a short-term boost (well timed, too) it rolled back on top of them in the end.
Exhibit C: March: "somebody" pushes the Rev. Wright video. Hillary, faced with choice between high road - standing up in outrage at the toxic tactics used in this wholly made-up fake scandal - and low road -- egging them on, trying to ignore most important speech in more than a generation - chooses low road. She and her brain(dead)trust pounce on the opportunity to try to throw O'bama under teh bus. Works for a couple days until - surprise! - The Speech sinks in, turns out Americans aren't as dumb as they're supposed to be. Goddamn not-sufficienty-stupid Americans!
By the time the Rev. Wright tempest was floated, youda thunk that Hill & Co. would have figured out that, this time, the high road was the short cut to the nomination. That the pendulum had swung.
But no. Turns out that Hillary's personal hell involves learning the same lesson over, and over, and over. And still not learning it.
Surprising? You betcha, if you were basing your wager on recent (7+ year) history. But on the other hand, after seven-plus years of getting beat over the head by a blunt republican object, is it really that surprising that we've learned not to fall for that shit anymore?
March 21, 2008 11:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama will never be president...you people are so stupid and insulated in your own world. If you ever peaked outside of it you would see how angry everyone is at your candidate. For all of you self hating "typical whites"...good luck to you!!! I really really want a democrat to be president...but am smart enought to know that Obama won't get elected....get real!!
March 21, 2008 11:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Miracle. American education may actually have started producing a population which can listen beyond the first 30 seconds! People are actually paying attention to what Mr. Obama said in that speech.
Because once you start to actually listen, it's really hard to go on hating.
March 21, 2008 11:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
This site requires a great deal of suspension from reality...most of the responses are so off the wall you would think the computers in the psycy ward are working overtime....
Your good news for the lying, racist, and troubled Obama is just a flash in th sky....Please don't any of you delude yourself...none of us long time Dems will ever vote for Olama...
Enjoy...four more years of a Repulican, Bush annoited, presidency...don't delude yourself that any Hillary supporter will EVER vote for Hillary.
All the best!!
March 22, 2008 12:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you for providing a great laugh tonight. I thought Matt Weaver was one of the dumbest sock puppets to traverse these threads, but you've taken the cake my friend:
Nice start. And the wrap up:
Disparaging oneself within the same post... Just a thing of beauty.....
March 22, 2008 12:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Enjoy...four more years of a Repulican, Bush annoited, presidency...don't delude yourself that any "Hillary supporter" will EVER vote for Hillary."
Fixed.
And don't worry. We won't.
March 22, 2008 1:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
The reality is the "old" Democrats who are still re-living 1968 and 1972 an increasingly an irrelevant minority in the Party. Their small number of votes are well out-numbered by the new voters brought into the Party by Obama. The reality: it is 2008 and Billary is not a good blast from the past.
March 22, 2008 6:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
"They elected w twice."
No, they didn't.
Peace,
Paul
March 22, 2008 12:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is Obama's "Flowers Moment" and he'll get through it and excell just like Bill did in '92
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/wright-is-nothing-but-flowers.php
March 22, 2008 12:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ
They'll lie, cheat, steal, destroy, and trash anyone in their way to get what they want. Now I know why Obama denounced the words but not the man. Wright is a great American.
March 22, 2008 12:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
"don't delude yourself that any Hillary supporter will EVER vote for Hillary"
I don't think singfam misspoke here, but rather was referring to the dittoheads that voted in the Dem primary in Ohio...
March 22, 2008 12:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not the least bit surprised that Obama's speech has been well received. Above and beyond all else, he talked turkey. He displayed a solid grasp of common sensibility. He didn't strike a dischordant note, for the simple reason that what he said is self-evident to the vast majority of the American people.
Until this speech, like many, I felt I had yet to draw a bead on the man. I was prepared to cast my vote for him, sure. But it was a resigned decision, just another roll of the dice with yet another democratic candidate. But he sold me. I will support him with a sense of pride from here on out. And I think he's going to win, too.
March 22, 2008 1:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
I totally agree with those above who said that the so-called Hillary supporters that are roaming around the blog sites spewing anti-Obama venom are really freeper trolls. If Hillary were winning, the same trolls (er, concerned voters?) would be spewing anti-Clinton garbage.
Hillary's main demographic is older women and I find it unlikely they would exhibit such trollish behavior on the intertubes.
As an older woman whose friends are older women (although Obama supporters), I speak from experience.
March 22, 2008 2:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
I find it hard to understand why open-minded and open-hearted Americans wouldn't all unite behind Mr. Obama's vision of what America can and should be. The hatreds and divisions the Bush administration have fostered should have left an disgusting taste in the mouths of all Americans. Our country is significantly worse off than it was when Bush moved into the White House. It will take a unified effort and the cooperation of all Americans to undo the damage of Bush's eight years of cronyism and incompetence.
And now, because the Clinton's could not have predicted Mr. Obama's success, they see their dream will not be realized and they are trying to divide and conquer the Democratic Party in desparate and misguided attempts to ignore the math, steal the presidency and or win it by default in the pathetic hope that Mr. Obama will do something wrong. Meanwhile, Democrats are fighting one another rather than building and strengthening their coalition. The chances of the Clintons winning the popular vote, winning more delegates and getting a signicantly high number of superdelegates to overrule the voters and delegates of their home states isn't just hanging tough, it's hoping for a fracture in the Democratic Party and the defeat of its presidential candidate. The absoulte best case scenario for the "Clintons" is the absoulutely worse case scenario for a "Democrat" winning the White House. While, the argument has been made that Mr. Obama can't win the majority of delegates and lock-up the nomination, that argument ignores that he will still win the popular vote and have the higher number of delegates. Why would a superdelegate overrule the will of the people and power brokers in his/her state and commit career suicide to vote for Hillary Clinton? Anyone who thinks that the superdelegates aren't all died in the wool politicians needs to stop eating the brownies their teenaged children bake for their friends and keep hidden under their mattresses. If the people and power brokers in the Democratic Party continue to allow the Clinton's to pursue their unattainable and highly destructive dream, John Sidney McCain, III will be the next president. If that happens, Americans will continue to suffer the agonies and inequities and failures of a oppressive corporate facsist regime.
March 22, 2008 10:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Osage - nice post.
What wasn't clear to many loyal Democrats, during Bill's time in office, is clear now, both Hill and Bill are sociopathic, in terms of their need for power and their ability to do whatever they think is necessary, regardless of what it does to the party, to hang on to it.
If Bill had resigned, when the Monica scandal broke, Al Gore would have been President. When you think of the possibilities of where this country would be right now, had Gore retained the WH in 2000, the mind reels.
As a loyal democrat, I supported the Clintons in the past, and turned a blind eye to everything from Hillary's Travel Gate, to Bill's perjury. But no more. Their self absorption and toxic campaigning during this election cycle, is beyond redemption.
March 22, 2008 5:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
This piece by Steve Chapman in the Chicago Tribune ( http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-oped0323chapmanmar23,1,2651579.column )seems to hit the proverbial nail on the head, and I pass it along for the general good. The impulse I've had at first was to, frankly, try to deny the visceral impact of Wright's views. But as the process has played out I've learned a few things. Maybe we all have.
What is funadamental here, and what is not being explained in the news accounts, is an understanding of the Christian dynamics at play here between Obama and his pastor. Wright has plenty of bitterness, no doubt based on experience. Another man might have drawn different conclusions.
Obama is that other man, and his rejection, with love, of the old man's harshest conclusions about white people and our government, while not rejecting the man himself, is part and parcel of the underlying philosophy of the redemptive power of forgiveness that both aspire to. It is a core part of the Christian mesasge. Obama sees it as his duty to attempt to save his friend from himself, and in the process has found a way to use this as a teachable moment for the rest of us on a very bitter and emotional issue.
It's hard to see this in a secular world, but it's as much a dialogue between the two men, old and young, as it is between Obama and the rest of us. He's done a masterful job of seeing the big picture, but not losing sight of the humanity of his friend and pastor and the rest of us. Again, he bet on us and our better angels, and if the polls are to be believed, we're actually better people as a whole than I believed we were. It is a healing moment.
"...Wright apparently sees this nation as defective and divided beyond repair. Obama thinks the defects are only a part of the story, and that a unity transcending ancient racial distrusts is achievable.
What has fueled his candidacy is neither black anger nor white guilt, but a desire by people of different complexions to minimize the role of race in our society. In his book, "A Bound Man," Hoover Institution scholar Shelby Steele writes that Obama is "a living rebuke to both racism and racialism, to both segregation and identity politics. . . . [H]e also embodies a great and noble human aspiration: to smother racial power in a democracy of individuals."
If the pastor truly believed his more vitriolic comments, he would have no choice but to treat Obama as a fool for aspiring to the presidency. Instead, Wright has been forced to entertain the notion that white people would choose a black male for the most powerful office on Earth...."
March 22, 2008 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you paDem for sharing these thoughts. Your sincerity is both apparent and appreciated. I too struggled to find a context for Rev Wright's comments and for a way to understand how he is viewed by his congregation.
Thankfully, the truth is out there!
A Trinity parishioner has posted more of Wright's sermons. It is only in seeing his words in context that one can fully appreciate what has happened or rather, what has been done. The "God Damn America" clip comes at the end of his admonishments against rushing into vengeaful war after 9/11. Though you'd never know it from the limited words you hear of this sermon, he was actually a voice for peace. The whole sermon begs us to move away from old-testament style vengeance.
Also, in this same sermon, Wright uses a very long reference to the words of Ambassador Edward Peck, a retired U.S. diplomat. One of the snipets we've been seeing on a loop -- the one about chickens coming home to roost -- is actually a quote or paraphrasing of an interview with Ambassador Edward Peck. And Rev Wright notes this in his sermon.
Here's the sermon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ&feature=related%3C/p%3E
Also, a Sam Stein article at Huffington Post sheds more light on the truth.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/21/meet-the-white-man-who-_n_92793.html
Reverend Wright, Obama, and the parishioners of Trinity are owed a sincere apology from the media. That's not likely to happen, but I hope people who know the truth will share it with others. That's what I'm doing anyway.
March 24, 2008 12:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
"I am confident I will get her votes if I'm the nominee. It's not clear she would get the votes I got if she were the nominee." - Senator Barack Obama
Michelle Obama weighed in saying she'd have to think about it before she could say she'd vote for Clinton.
There is no way most Clinton voters are going to support Obama in the general after these totally uncalled for selfish comments by teh Obama's.
Either do not vote in protest over the horrible biased media or vote for McCain who at least we do not have to worry if he loves America, or if Rev Wright will be sleeping in the Lincoln bedroom. Get behind Hillary now unless you want to see McCain in the Whitehouse. Obama has Zero Chance in the general because of the hate he and his mentors and supporters have inspired.
March 22, 2008 11:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually it is the other way around. Clinton has been supporting hate and fear. The 3 am phone call ad and the "as far as I know" comment about Obama's religion. I was a strong Clinton supporter five months ago. Fortunately I am now an even stronger Obama supporter. The hatred that spews from the CLinton campaign and her surrogates/supporters is disgusting. The Republicans run on fear and hate. Apparently so do Clintonites.
March 22, 2008 11:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
I glad you are an even stronger Obama supporter, You are still only one vote. I am a Hillary supporter and there is no way I would ever vote for Obama after listening to trolls like you and the rest of Obama supporters such as Rev Wright attack her everyday.
Your vile venom has completely turned me against Obama and I would assume there are enough of us to doom your candidates chances.
CONGRATULATIONS!!!!
March 22, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're overstating it, as usual. That's a pretty lame rhetorical tactic, as it becomes obvious over time that you're not credible.
And, you're just one vote, too.
March 22, 2008 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
The question Michelle Obama was asked was whether she would WORK for Hillary Clinton...and she said she'd have to think about it--seems very reasonable when one is working very hard for one's husband.
Your Lincoln Bedroom line is an update from Rush Limbaugh circa 1998.
Time for some blog freshener.
March 22, 2008 12:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
While it is certainly a possibility that some Hillary Clinton supporters would rather vote for McCain than vote for Obama, the anti Clinton, I do find it surprising that they would be willing to live through another at least 4 yrs of Republican/Bush-lite policies....
Hopefully once the general comes around they will have gotten over it. Or perhaps Clinton when she finally accepts the inevitability of defeat, will urge and even encourage her own Souljah Sisters to unite behind the Democratic Party's nominee...
One can only hope. That will ultimately be the true test of her as both a politician and a human...
March 22, 2008 11:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Hopefully once the general comes around they will have gotten over it. Or perhaps Clinton when she finally accepts the inevitability of defeat, will urge and even encourage her own Souljah Sisters to unite behind the Democratic Party's nominee..."
Dream on. The constant Clinton bashing by Obama, Rev Wright, the biased media, and Obama supporters on blogs, has eliminated any chance of most Clinton suppoters to vote for Obama and his band of jerks. I will vote for Ralph Nader if Obama is the nominee.
March 22, 2008 12:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
"If Hillary were winning, the same trolls (er, concerned voters?) would be spewing anti-Clinton garbage.
Hillary's main demographic is older women and I find it unlikely they would exhibit such trollish behavior on the intertubes.
As an older woman whose friends are older women (although Obama supporters), I speak from experience."
That's an interesting argument. I have heard some gracious comments from Hillary supporters as well. But perhaps some older women are meaner than you assume. And there are still plenty of male and younger Hillary supporters. But yeah, hard to tell who is who on the net.
March 22, 2008 12:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Dream on. The constant Clinton bashing by Obama, Rev Wright, the biased media, and Obama supporters on blogs, has eliminated any chance of most Clinton suppoters to vote for Obama and his band of jerks. I will vote for Ralph Nader if Obama is the nominee."
I for one would vote for *any* Dem just to avoid McCain appointing the next SC judge and overturning Roe. Also 8000 dead in Iraq doesn't look good either.
But oh well, if you want to be childish so be it.
March 22, 2008 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
"over the horrible biased media "
Why blame Obama for the media?
Grow up
March 22, 2008 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I want to congratulate Obama, his wife, the Rev Wright, MSNBC, and all you Obama bloggers. Your hatred of the Clintons and your willingness to slime them more than the Republicans ever did, has made me feel that I cannot ever support Obama and would not vote for him if hell freezed over.
The thought of Rev Wright staying in the Lincoln bedroom as Obama's guest makes my skin crawl.
Congratulations, you have guarenteed McCain the nomination with your vile hatred! Way to go!!!
March 22, 2008 12:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, very thoughtful post. Outstanding. The problem with the conclusion is that the next president will be either mccain or obama. The clintons will never win the general election if they steal the nomination. Look at the train wreck of a campaign they have been running in the primary. I find it laughable that clinton people actually think that the clintons could possibly win a third term.
By the way, what makes my skin crawl is the thought of the clintons occupying the white house again. We've had a liar in chief for 8 years. Why would we want two more pathological liars occuping the white house for another 4? Time for a little honesty at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
March 22, 2008 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey Singfom, be careful who you call stupid when you don't even know how to spell "peeked" - not "peaked".
March 22, 2008 9:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton cannot win the nomination democratically at this point. The media likes to portray the race as neck and neck; that's good for ratings. The fact is that Obama's delegate lead is substantial and his lead in total states is insurmountable. Hillary can only win politically. That is by damaging Obama to the point where she can claim him to be unelectable. It's hard to imagine a more cynical tactic.
Obama has brought millions of new, young and enthusiastic voters to the process. If Hillary suceeds many of these new voters will be disillusioned and may drop out of the process, costing the party a developing majority. She may still win the GE but she will surely lack the kind of coattails Obama is sure to bring in November. As a result we can expect more of the same destructive gridlock we've had since 1994.
Obana has proven himself, most dramatically with his "A More Perfect Union" speech, to have the intellect, talent and humanity to deserve the president. The only question is: does the country deserve him? Only the election will show. If not, our future is bleak, but that's another post.
March 22, 2008 10:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you paDem for sharing these thoughts. Your sincerity is both apparent and appreciated. I too struggled to find a context for Rev Wright's comments and for a way to understand how he is viewed by his congregation.
Thankfully, the truth is out there!
A Trinity parishioner has posted more of Wright's sermons. It is only in hearing his words in context that one can fully appreciate what has happened or rather, what has been done. The "God Damn America" clip comes at the end of his admonishments against rushing into vengeaful war after 9/11. Though you'd never know it from the limited words you hear of this sermon, he was actually a voice for peace. The whole sermon begs us to move away from old-testament style vengeance.
Also, in this same sermon, Wright uses a very long reference to the words of Ambassador Edward Peck, a retired U.S. diplomat. One of the snipets we've been seeing on a loop -- the one about chickens coming home to roost -- is actually a quote or paraphrasing of an interview with Ambassador Edward Peck. And Rev Wright notes this in his sermon.
Here's the sermon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ&feature=related%3C/p%3E
Also, a Sam Stein article at Huffington Post sheds more light on the truth.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/21/meet-the-white-man-who-_n_92793.html
Reverend Wright, Obama, and the parishioners of Trinity are owed a sincere apology from the media. That's not likely to happen, but I hope people who know the truth will share it with others. That's what I'm doing anyway.
March 24, 2008 1:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
right on the mark i'd say.
Gregory Rodriguez:
Obama's brilliant bad speech
His rhetoric entangled him in race in exactly the wrong way.
March 24, 2008
In some ways, Barack Obama's speech on race last week was as brilliant as it was nuanced. But for all its rhetorical beauty, it was also an enormous step backward and, in the end, a rather self-serving call for more discussion about racial grievance in a country that has already done way too much talking.
Until last week, so much of Obama's appeal lay in the fact that he was not asking us to talk about the racial divide. Instead, he offered himself as a living and breathing symbol of racial reconciliation; his very origins pointed to the goal of unity and, from his own account, created in him a desire to bring together opposing sides.
Throughout the campaign, Hillary Rodham Clinton's surrogates repeatedly tried to bait Obama into talking about race; they worked to pigeonhole him (and marginalize him) as the "black candidate." But in the end, it was Obama's own alliances that tripped him up and obliged him to directly address a subject (one that he now says we "cannot afford to ignore") that he had so deftly avoided -- or as the Obamaphiles had it, transcended. For all the kudos the Illinois senator has received for his candor, the very act of delivering Tuesday's address was a defeat. Obama was a much more powerful force for racial progress when he so effortlessly symbolized it, rather than when he called on us to address "old wounds."
Those who praised the speech did so in part because it acknowledged the grievances that lie on both sides of the nation's most intractable racial divide. But that's also what was so wrong with it. The discussion of racial grievance -- and other group grievances -- has long since become an institutionalized part of American life, literally and figuratively. There are advocacy groups, think tanks, foundations and scholars who sometimes have produced groundbreaking work but who also have served to reaffirm the idea that American society is a federation of opposing, static and permanently aggrieved identities. Rather than push us beyond race, the institutionalization of racial identity as defined by grievance perpetuates the divisions of the past. The one new thing Obama's speech added to the dialogue was the inclusion of whites to the list of aggrieved (and angry) parties.
For all the "complexities of race" Obama sought to grapple with last week, his explicit equivalence of his white grandmother -- who he said had sometimes expressed fear of black men and uttered racial stereotypes -- with the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., his race-baiting former pastor, was the most unfortunate.
"I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother," he said. But the comparison obscures the fundamental difference in the relationships. Forget the casual moral equivalence he makes between a pastor's provocative public rants and his grandmother's private utterances; what's more important is that grandmothers are inherited while pastors are chosen.
At least one way to explain that choice is that by allying himself with Wright (who presided over his wedding and baptized his daughters), Obama sought to anchor and legitimize himself in Chicago's black community, which might not have otherwise welcomed an Ivy Leaguer raised in Hawaii by his white mother and grandparents. Without challenging Obama's claim that Wright "helped introduce [him] to his Christian faith," his choice was also invariably a political one, and a very bad one at that.
It's all fine and good that Obama has "condemned" the worst of what he calls Wright's "wrong" and "divisive" comments, but his refusal to "disown" his former pastor is academic. Part of Obama's seductive appeal is that he sees political action in terms of sweeping gestures and crusades. Idealistic young people in particular like the idea of being caught up in a wave of change. Obama even ended his race address with yet another of his patented calls to "come together." In his vision, whites and blacks (and the rest of us!) would move beyond racial discord by fighting common injustices.
But just maybe the complexity of race in contemporary America no longer requires the massive collective action it did half a century ago when blacks in the South were living under Jim Crow, a legal apartheid. Just maybe we don't have to suffer through yet another national debate on race -- President Clinton launched his fruitless Initiative on Race in 1997 quoting, as Obama did, the preamble to the Constitution. Just maybe more progress will be made if average, fair-minded, decent people simply chose not to associate with -- and lend their credibility to -- haters, extremists or sowers of racial discord. Obama could have taken that simple path any time over the last 20 years. He chose not to. Now it's too late.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-rodriguez24mar24,0,5884639.column
March 24, 2008 10:57 AM | Reply | Permalink