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Asked Whether Advisers Are Pushing Wright Story, Hillary Demurs

I missed this earlier, but it must be flagged. Asked about today's big story that her advisers are telling the super-dels that the Wright controversy should make them nervous about Obama's hopes in the general, Hillary demured:

When asked, Clinton ignored the Wright portion of the question and said "well my campaign has been making the case that I am the most electable that I have said that for a year or more that I am the person best able to make the challenges that our country faces as commander in chief."

When Clinton was then asked specifically if her campaign was pushing the Wright story -- she shrugged and took the next question, ignoring the reporter.

Subsequently, however, Hillary spokesperson Doug Hattaway offered some clarification to ABC News: "She was and is unaware of anyone on the campaign pushing [the Wright] issue with superdelegates. She wants anyone who is talking to superdelegates to focus on our message, which is that she's best prepared to be president and beat John McCain."

It's worth noting that when ABC asked the spokesperson whether Hillary was calling on advisers to refrain from using Wright as part of their argument, he said: "Since she is unaware of anyone doing that, I assume it hasn't come up."


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It does not matter if she is or is not pushing the Wright controversy. Obama's 20 year relationship shows his poor judgement and unsuitability for president. It is important for all voters to hear about just who Obama keeps as friends. Especially the little bit about his grandmother, a "typical white person". Obama is racist and America-hating. Does he think every White person, beginning with his own are racist?! I'm sorry, this is pathetic. Actually, I'll be upset if Clinton doesn't call Obama on this.

Not This Time.

That's excellent, PH! Not this time, indeed.

weaver: convicted in the court of publicus opinion.

If it does not matter, she should then answer the question.

Keep digging Greg. The truth will come out.

There's no surprise that you would find something small and insignificant from Obama's monumental speech on race, and harp on it like it was actually anything.

Hillaryous

It would be more of a surprise if Hillary's campaign wasn't pushing the Wright story. She's been playing the race and fear card from the beginning and is more desperate than ever. Now, go watch that Keith Olbermann special commentary again, so he doesn't have to do another.

Amber, Do you EVER come back with facts or are your comments consistently meant to simply demean this woman? I need to know so that I don't waste my time reading your "commentaries". You all seem to be able to read peoples minds, you can TELL if someone is up to no good..." She's been playing the race and fear card from the beginning and is more desperate than ever." Can you give me ONE documented instance where she did this? Substantiated and documented please?

Gee, Matty, then I guess this guy's an America hating black racist too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYla5xdPTUg

It's the President of the United Church of Christ, paying tribute to Wright and his ministry. Wow, I guess the whole denomination is racist and un=American. Maybe we better set up some camps.

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Thank you for that link. I'm sure I'll be using it later.

God damn, but some people are stupid!

If I can be a small part of helping it go viral, I'll feel like I've accomplished this year something other than just making donations and bitching on blog comment sections.

And, frankly, I plan to post it every time Matthew and RaeK go off on the increasingly, and suspiciously, standardized "20 years blah blah blah racist blah blah blah daughters blah blah blah judgment" rant they've been posting over and over again they've each posted about a hundred times over the last week.

Matt,

Thanks for stepping out and being crystal clear on what you're about.

When Hillary loses, by all means, PLEASE vote for McCain with our blessings.

Just watch these BRAND NEW SHOCKING videos of Pastor Wright. If you thought those other ones were bad, just you wait!! The hate contained in these videos is on a scale never ever seen in the history of the internet. And taht Pastor doesn't even wear a collar! He must not be a man of God. Matthew Weaver's head might actually explode when he sees these!!

Unending Love
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqphQcOUI4A&feature=related

Restoring power
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BuM5JVgwKc&feature=related

This one is especially moving
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zP9WLRhrzY&feature=related

God Keeps Promises
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JSXTlr4seI&feature=related

On how Jesus listens to you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfDyxqjPW5Q

The privacy of prayer - very moving
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7O0wS9NQCUM

Unwavering love
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pedwsGGGp0

Here's one preaching to youths
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT7LxAKgYeI

Faithful friend
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3Z4NArsgiU

Snark totally aside, these clips provide some much needed context. I would encourage people to pass them along to others. I sent them to my family tonight.

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Did you have a cup of Fox News in your coffee




Did you have a cup of Fox News in your coffee? You're way out of line and should ask a trusted friend if, for your own sake, they would put you back in your straight jacket. I don't think that you are a racist as much as you are trying to exploit race in much the same way that the Clinton campaign and the Republican attack machine has.  

 

Hypocrite Hillary with the help of Keith Olbermann has finally been exposed in spectacular fashion for using race in this campaign. For you to suggest that Obama is a racist is absurd and stupid.  No, it's beyond absurd and stupid.  

 

At this point, it's beginning to just be sour grapes and because Hillary is on the expressway to defeat, her loyal fans are attacking desperately much the same way she is, and the Republicans are panicked and trying to make some headway before Obama's full concentration will be on beating McCain (I suspect you're part of the latter).

 

Obama is black and white.  He can claim both and has looked intimately into both worlds.  If this fact blows your mind that the "black candidate" you insanely call racist, you're a racist or have been watching too much Hannity-same thing.

Mr. Weaver,
I have a suggestion that my help you gain a little understanding. When you get a chance, ask any or all of your black friends if they think Obama is a racist. Or better yet ask them if they think Obama "threw his grandmother under the bus."
Report back if you can....thanks...

Are you a criminal or ex-con?

What up with the orange shirt and sexual predator demeanor?

I mean I am just curious.

She's the "most electable" but the name Wright never entered the conversations?

I'm having trouble with this.

Well Lanny Davis was pushing this YESTERDAY. Check the huffington post. She was AWARE of it then. She was AWARE of it today.

You know what would be interesting? Getting a gander at the HillaryClinton.com blog. I know it's heavily moderated, but they place was littered with posts pushing the Muslim smear. I wonder if they are talking about Wright....

So she's not not playing the race card.

That the Wright story has "shocked" so many is unfortunate. That Dems aren't coming together to oppose these types of attacks is truly sad. McCain has publically opposed using Wright against Obama (though I think he's happy to play nice guy while his wingnuts make the assault). Why won't Hillary publically take the higher road as well? I guess because it's not politically expedient right now, the same reason she voted for some bill back in 2002 about authorizing some use of force somewhere. I hope this comes back to bite just as hard.

Never mind Hillary. Why has NO neutral or Obama-backing Democratic bigwig come to his defense ? NOT ONE OF THEM ! What is up with that ?

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You didnot watch the sunday shows last week did you?

they are spineless cowards concerned with nothing but their own careers and they sit with baited breath awaiting the next round of opinion polling to tell them what they should think.

What a scuzball. Let's see how long she can get away with this one. It could well blow up in her face.

If she wants us to believe she is a good manager, she needs to know what her surrogates are saying. These aren't some interns running their mouths. The people working the superdelegates are among the most important staffers on her campaign right now. Especially since they are the only way she can wrest the nomination from Obama.

She did know what they were talking about. If she says she didn't, she's lying.

HRC lies !!!!!! Why no one ever told me that ?

(stolen from anneeliz on "Dick" Cheney in another thread)

"I think that I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002," Clinton says.

Hmmm. A speech.

Senator Obama has actually got more than a couple of speeches. (Honest Abe Lincoln used to be known for that kind of thing, by the way.)

So, in the face of FOX News spewing racially divisive attacks on Trinity United Church of Christ intended to drive a wedge among Democrats, Senator Clinton not only doesn't have a speech, she can't even speak out.

Uh-huh. And Obama is not a Muslim..."as far as I know."

Obama could have severed ties with this anti american Rev Wright the minute he heard him issue those hateful sermons. Instead he LIED that he had ever heard him say anything hateful. Then during his "excuse everyone for being racist" speech, he admitted he did hear Wright sermons.
Hillary should be pointing out. I think it is very important to all Americans to know that Obama has such close ties to this hateful man.
Hillary had nothing to do with bringing up Rev Wright. As she is in a Campaign why should she not question Obama's close ties to this Rev Wright???

Anti-American? Have you no appreciation for context? Wright is upset that our country has yet to live up to the values it was supposedly founded upon...both in our treatment of those at home and abroad. He's imploring his listeners to fight for those ideals. That's patriotism in my book, though the means by which he sought to convey the message are readily misunderstood by many. Blind support of one's country isn't the patriotism we should seek to engender. Is some neo-con shouting USA, USA more patriotic? Please.

You are taking one line of one sermon and calling the man un-patriotic. I call that unthinking.

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it is not just that they are taking one line out of a sermon. There are thousands of hours of sermons available and if you comb tnem all this is the ofensive stuff you come up with. We should all be so well spoken that only a few minutes out of thousands of hours is objectionable.

Cite evidence of this "lie".

You cannot, because it itself is a lie. Shut off your computer and get some sun, Paid Hillary Internet Shill #46.

More succinct Clinton response: We're not pushing the Wright story, as far as we know.

This is the kind of stuff that's slowly caused me to come to hate her. Not the pushing it with the supers, but the refusal to stand up and take responsibility for doing what everyone knows she's doing. The thought of enduring four nire years of that noxious Clintonian oiliness makes me want to puke.

There's a picture of Bill Clinton with Reverend Wright on September 11, 1998, during a dinner to honor religious leaders.

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/272/september111998ds9.jpg

I thought Wright hated all white people? Wait, Bill was the first black president. Never mind...

Check the full story at Ben Smith's blog. Rev. Wright was one of the clergy at a gathering when Bill Clinton first apologized and "repented" the Lewinsky mess. Wright was willing to forgive and to help the Clintons when they were most in need, but Hillary would happily throw him under the bus in her quest for the White House.

Sorry -- on this one I have to support HRC (and since I decided months ago that I couldn't bring myself to vote for her, I assure you it pains me.) But 'electability' does matter, especially to the superdelegates, and if there IS a factor that suggests your opponent may have electability problems, then it seems appropriate to raise that issue with the superdelegates.

This isn't one of her made-up stories accusing Obama of something he hasn't done (and there are *many* of those!!!) It's an indisputable fact: there is a video of portions of a few of Wright's sermons: they are shocking and disgusting and are being seen by voters. Are they so shocking that some voters have been turned away from Obama? Probably. How many voters, whether they will stay away, what the long-term effect may be is all unknown - by everyone. I'm trusting and hoping that once they consider the situation more, most voters will realize that it's the character of the man on the ballot that matters and put it aside.

But right now, however, the ultimate effect is unknown and it's something that could affect his electability next fall. Why should she not mention it?

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Let's not kid ourselves. Obama's race alone affects his electability next fall. If we want to avoid that we can nominate some bland white guy - Evan Bayh would be perfect.

But I really doubt many people are shocked by Rev. Wright. People who already distrust African Americans figure that's what goes on in their churches. Those of us on the left are hardly shocked by hyperbolic rants on the less lovely aspects of America past and present. The only thing close to shocking to me is that Obama, who has seemed almost painfully careful and risk averse at times, was comfortable being associated with someone so politically incorrect. I rather like it. It's authentic. He's an interesting guy. Not afraid to think outside the box.

But then again, we could pick Evan Bayh.

Did you not see the Fox News poll in the post that went up immediately before this one? Go read it, keeping in mind that Fox News polls have a built-in screening bias that bumps Bush and Hillary's approval 4 - 6% over all the other polls.

And, in any case, its not that she's doing it, its that she refuses to take responsibility for it, that she's being an oily, passive aggressive asshole about it, that is "troubling" as the Clinton campaign is so fond of saying.

Why should she not mention it?

(1) Because she's a member of Obama's party?
(2) Because she's a fellow Senator?
(3) Because she's not a racist. As far as I know.
(4) Because it plays into GOP hate.
(5) ...

Whatever.

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Neither she nor he surrogates need to raise the issue. It is oput there for all to see. Raising it just shows that she is blind to the appearances of her actions. If she were not politicaly tone deaf she would mimic John McCain and condemn those who are pushing this. That would make her look better. Sadly she is not a good enought politician to do that.

These videos are disgusting? I find the pictures of Abu Ghraib disgusting. I find the accounts of the 1 million war dead Iraqis disgusting (and yes that is the figure). And I have to say I agree with Rev. Wright, I find pictures of the maids of Nagasaki and Hiroshima disgusting, with their skin melted and stuck like crinkled saran wrap to their faces. Finally, I find people who call blindness to America's faults patriotism disgusting. I suppose you believe that most slave owners were actually nice guys too. There's a word for what all this outrage among "patriots," and their claims that it's really Obama who's the racist. It's called projection. If you don't know what that is, pick up a Pyschology 101 textbook. Hopefully you'll be able to follow the discourse. Wouldn't swear to that since you don't seem to follow discourse very well. But give it a try. You might learn something.

yet another disturbing glimpse into weaver's "alternate reality" IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!

All this is just depressing.

Richardson, Edwards, Obama, Gravel, Dodd, Biden, anyone. I would have loved to see win this November.

I've never liked Hillary and I don't care which Republicrat get elected this November.

If we lived with 8 years of Bush, we can live through another 8.

I just don't care anymore.

Daily Kos shows a picture of Bill Clinton with Reverend Wright at the White House religious breakfast right here at this link:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/20/19265/9246/968/481100

and yet niether of them defend Wright at all.

Even more important: Dailykos shows Rev. Wright's comments in actual context. Something that in the rush to smear his name, and damage Obama, no one in the mainstream media has yet had the time to do.

*hint: his chickens coming home to roost comment was actually a quote...of a US ambassador...aired on Fox News. You'd think they at least would have gotten that right, as they clearly had access to the full video to crop their soundbites from.

I agree with Matthew Weaver and idiotic is consistent.

I think Clinton should speak out against McKook's spiritual adviser that wants to eliminate Islam too.

Summary of your argument: forcefully speaking out against racism = advocating the elimination of Islam.

Ok Scalia, whatever. It seems that for many of you, your support of one dem candidate over another has blinded you to the concept of context.

The Obama campaign was aware of the problems with Wright for a long time but chose to ignore it and only did anything about it when the public was against it. Talk about poll-driven.

Come on, we all know Obama made the speech because of the controversy. But, that doesn't undermine the message that he delivered ... which wasn't pandering or superficial. He showed the quality of his character when the cards were down. Since Hillary has fallen behind in this race, she's shown the quality of her character too .... and it ain't too flattering.

All dems should stand against these attempts to assasinate his character by implication ... especially when the implication is so blatantly racist. It's sad to see that Hillary is acting like just another implicator, despite the fact her own husband was the first "black president."

Imagine if Hillary Clinton was especially close to her pastor. Suppose he was the man who married Hillary and Bill, baptized Chelsea, was her spiritual counselor and advisor, had her deep admiration, was described by her as an important mentor, inspired the title of one of her books, and was even a member of her campaign's religious council. Now imagine that he was known for his fiery sermons against African Americans, and video of those angry denunciations was suddenly broadcast to the whole nation during her bid for the presidency. Would America be satisfied with a thirty-nine minute speech in which she refused to completely disassociate herself from that pastor? Would America be satisfied if she explained that angry sermons against African Americans were common in her church and shouldn't be taken literally? Would America be satisfied if she explained her pastor's racial anger in historical terms? Even if she totally renounced him in that speech, would that put an end to the controversy? Should it?

No reasonable person can doubt that there would be loud and immediate calls for Hillary to resign from the campaign. African Americans and whites alike would be outraged. The media would pounce. The blogs would be howling for her ouster from the campaign and from the Senate. No speech she gave, no matter how eloquent, would stop the political firestorm.

Why is the reaction not the same to the Obama/Wright controversy? Does America's racist past give Mr. Obama a pass? Should we hold black candidates to a different standard? Should a black President be any more tolerant of racial bigotry when it is directed at whites?

I believe in his very eloquent speech Mr. Obama betrayed an association with the racial politics of the past. In explaining the Rev. Wright's point of view Mr. Obama embraced the attitude that using guilt to shame white America is a valid weapon. He failed to put down the guilt slinging and embrace the politics of personal responsibility through which I believe racism would collapse under its own weight. I fear his speech was primarily intended to quell a political firestorm, not address the root of the racial divide in America. Through his speech I believe he showed himself to be a very eloquent practitioner of the old-style of racial politics - an intellectual Jesse Jackson who casts blame for racism on white America and misses the opportunity to escape the endless cycle of self-victimization of African Americans. This is not the "new kind of politics" that I had hoped for from Mr. Obama. The speech was a deflection from the central question about Mr. Obama's association with a known racist.

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It's always so comforting to have your opinions confirmed. I've long believed the Clintons are almost indistinguishable from Republicans and her supporters continue to reinforce my opinion.

Um, African Americans didn't bring white folks here in chains to slave in their fields and systematically deny them their basic human rights and dignity for hundreds of years. I think it might have been the other way around.

You can't flip the script like that and think your analogy will work. It ignores the power dynamics at play.

And as always, here is where the fascist, racist Hillary freaks (a very small percentage of her support in the real world, a very large percentage here) go off the rails:

Now imagine that he was known for his fiery sermons against African Americans

Please, point out Wright's fiery sermons against whites. I think he's largely silly for a number of reasons, but he simply never gave a single sermon "against whites." Not once, ever. I absolutely defy you to back up this claim.

That goes for all of you psycho racists traipsing around here lately, including Weaver and gotalife...

I believe in his very eloquent speech Mr. Obama betrayed an association with the racial politics of the past.

Yep, he does. And that's the only way to understand them.

Oh, sorry, you thought all knowledge could be gained from a textbook in history class.

Sorry, grasshopper; some pains have to be experienced to identify with them. And it is ONLY someone who identifies with them that can change them.

Breaking NEWS!!!!!!!!!

Keith Olberman is reporting that 3 employees in the state department was fried in Jan for attempting to look into BO passport files...WOW...

This is scary and desperate stuff. Who are these guys and what were they attempting to do? Some people are obviously desperate and will do anything to keep BO from the presidency...

This is terrific. Link this with the Wright story and that will definetly make Obama look like he is victim of a Republican smear campaign/cabal which is EXACTLY what we want to make all of this go away

Obama, and us, against Hillary, McCain, Bush and the full force of the Government. Let's hope the Secret Service is above reproach.....

Wright was not a problem to Obama...just another of his diverse acquaintances.

I know many of you WANT Wright to be nothing but awful and every other bad word you can summon, a simple stereotype, but he's not. He's just a guy. Apparently a guy with a lot of good, patriotic, and humanitarian qualities that would put a lot of us to shame...and yes, also with a lot of ugly anger.

Obama doesn't share ANY of that ugly anger. He has observed it, rejected it, but learned from it. And he chooses to be filled with humanitarianism, patriotism, faith...and hope. For a change.

Hillary wants Wright to be nothing but bad because it suits her. Simple. Damn those who stand in her way. But I think she knows...I think she KNOWS Obama's judgment in this matter is the much, much nobler path .

Don't you want a president who will see the good in YOU, too? Who won't judge you by your worst, ugliest moments? Who will value YOUR thoughts and ideas without snap judgment?

I do.

Yes, Obama is above using racism. What about his 'typical white person' comment about is OWN grandmother?! Yes, wow, Obama is really above all of this racism...

On what occasion has Obama EVER uttered the phrase "typical white person"? Links, please.

One of the reasons Obama appeals to so many, including me, is that he doesn't lump groups of people together as "typical." He recognizes that people are individuals, and don't all think or act or vote like sheep. I defy you to find any instance where he has EVER referred to a person or group as a "typical (fill in the blank) person."

Berry, I'm an Obama supporter. He did say today on the radio that his grandmother is a "typical white person" in the context of discussing stereotypes and prejudices. Since then he has clarified his comment. Unfortunately another 5 second sound bite that is being used by Fox and friends to beat him up with.

I appreciate the clarification - thanks.

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Matthew Weaver, let's see if you can get your head around this one:

Obama was talking about his WHITE grandmother. Do you understand what that means? His white grandmother is the white mother of OBAMA'S WHITE MOTHER. You want to see this as an issue of black vs. white, but Obama is both black AND white. If he insults white people, he insults himself.

Don't be fucking dense as hell, alright?

Nice try, but things haven't changed quite that much. If Obama had married a white woman, and all his children married white partners, their children would be "octoroons," i.e. black, or the nastier word if you prefer. Those were the rules in the days of the confederacy, and in the minds of those "white working-class voters" that are so devoted to Hillary, they're still the rules.

Why is it so hard for people to understand the cause of Reverend Wright's fury. I understand it. It is a universal human reaction to having been enslaved and shamed up to the present day.

On Easter Week of 1916 an Irish Rebel Leader led a symbolic rebellion against a tyrannical regime. He wrote the following before going out to fight and die. Like this Irish Rebel Leader, Reverend Wright is just another answer to the poet's question: "What happens to a dream deferred".

Here is one thing that did happen during Easter 1916 in Dublin.


THE REBEL

I am come of the seed of the people, the people that sorrow,
That have no treasure but hope,
No riches laid up but a memory
Of an Ancient glory.
My mother bore me in bondage, in bondage my mother was born,
I am of the blood of serfs;
The children with whom I have played,
the men and women with whom I have eaten
Have had masters over them, have been under the lash of masters,
And, though gentle, have served churls;
Their hands that have touched mine,
the dear hands whose touch is familiar to me,
Have worn shameful manacles,
have been bitten at the wriest by manacles
Have grown hard with the manacles and the task-work of strangers.
I am flesh of the flesh of these lowly, I am bone of their bone,
I that have never submitted;
I that have a soul greater than the souls of my people’s masters
I that have vision and prophecy and the gift of fiery speech,
I that have spoken with God on the top of His holy hill.

And because I am of the people, I understand the people,
I am sorrowful with their sorrow, I am hungry with their desire:
My heart has been heavy with the grief of mothers,
My eyes have been wet with the tears of children,
I have yearned with old wistful men,
And laughed or cursed with young men,

Their shame is my shame, and I have reddened for it,
Reddened for that they have served, they who should be free,
Reddened for that they have gone in want,
while others have been full,
Reddened for that they have walked in fear of lawyers and of their jailers
With their writs of summons and their handcuffs,
Men mean and cruel!
I could have borne stripes on my body
rather than this shame of my people.

And now I speak, being full of vision;
I speak to my people,
and I speak in my people’s name to the masters of my people.
I say to my people that they are holy, that they are august,
despite their chains,
That they are greater than those that hold them, and stronger and purer,
That they have but need of courage,
and to call on the name of their God,
God the unforgetting, the dear God that loves the peoples
For whom He died naked, suffering shame.
And I say to my people’s masters: Beware,
Beware of the thing that is coming,
beware of the risen people,
Who shall take what ye would not give.
Did ye think to conquer the people,
Or that Law is stronger than life and than men’s desire to be free?
We will try it out with you, ye that have harried and held,
Ye that have bullied and bribed,
tyrants, hypocrites, liars!

Patrick Pearse

MSNBC is covering a new report, about Obama's passport security being breached. 8:47 PM EST, live.

I won't be surprised if the sick, distorted Hillarybots somehow consider this a good thing.

And as always, here is where the fascist, racist Hillary freaks (a very small percentage of her support in the real world, a very large percentage here) go off the rails:

Now imagine that he was known for his fiery sermons against African Americans

Please, point out Wright's fiery sermons against whites. I think he's largely silly for a number of reasons, but he simply never gave a single sermon "against whites." Not once, ever. I absolutely defy you to back up this claim.

That goes for all of you psycho racists traipsing around here lately, including Weaver and gotalife...

If Wright is so bad, why did Bill and Hillary invite him to the White House????

Wright was Clinton guest in 1998.
Photo:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Jeremiah_Wright_was_White_House_guest.html


Seriously everyone, get over this Wright thing. Obama's passport was breached. Wright was a diversion, this is a serious privacy violation, and god knows what these three employees were looking for.

THree contract employees were caught looking at Obama's passport file (which goes back to his childhood) without cause. Two were fired, one was disciplined.

Low level contract employees...looked at out of curiosity...no political ends (thats from the state department). January 9...Feb 21...March 14 (when Wright story broke).

Three times over three months. Obama campaign was told TONIGHT!!

I didn't know we lived in China. Three people. On three occasions. Independently. For no political reason. Sure...

Ok, this is why we all need to vote for the democrat in november. This happened to bill clinton in 1992...this cannot stand.

EASTER TIME! Time for families to come together and discuss!

Insider Advantage poll:

If you heard Obama's major speech on race, are you more or less likely to vote for him?

More likely - 19%
Less likely - 52%
About the same - 27%

The most talked about thing on the street (that I hear) is how disrespectful Obama was to throw his grandmother under the bus.

Brand new from Survey USA

Minnesota
Obama 46%
McCain 47%

Massachusetts
Obama 47%
McCain 47%

OHIO
McCain 50%
Obama 43%

NO DEMOCRAT WILL WIN AN ELECTION IF THEY HAVE TO SPEND ONE DAY OR ONE DIME ON MASSACHUSETTS.

WE ARE LOOKING AT A MONDALE-LIKE DEFEAT WITH OBAMA.

Easter is this weekend and families across the country will gather together and discuss this matter. I expect to see these poll numbers continue their nose dive. I will eagerly await the daily tracking polls to come out starting Tues. or Wed.

Only one way to find out. Wait until November to see how Senator Obama does against Senator McCain. If he wins the most elected delegates then we are not about to take the nomination away from him, just because Hillary claims that she can win. Prove it Hillary, by winning more elected delegates than Senator Obama. That is the only way you are entitled to the nomination. All your blather skiting about how Obama may lose in November is pointless. So could you. Win the most elected delegates Hillary, and you will get your nomination. Not winning as many elected delegates as Senator Obama, Hillary, will show that we will not have to wait until November to discover that you are a loser.

Sorry, try again!
From TPM:
"Poll: Majority Doesn't Believe Obama Shares Wright's Views
By Eric Kleefeld - March 20, 2008, 5:57PM

A new poll from Fox News, the first major poll taken since Barack Obama's big speech on race relations, shows that the effect of the Jeremiah Wright flap might not be so bad after all.

By a 57%-24% margin, registered votes do not believe that Obama shares Wright's controversial views. The internals show only 17% of Democrats saying Obama shares Wright's ideas, along with 20% of independents and 36% of Republicans."

Hillary can't get the nomination and is planted in second place. She's already lost! But thanks for playing. ;-)

My friend, DSWX,

That's a totally different question that was asked. Do you think Obama is as hateful as his preacher is different than are you more or less likely to vote for him after he started a "conversation" on race.

Its a sad, unfortunate truth: White Americans are, by and large, racist. They don't want to hear any preachy monologue about slavery, race, blah blah.

I am an openly, proud gay man. Virtually NO Americans want to hear about our problems either. It is sad, but true. It is irritating, frustrating. People feel guilty and as if they are being attacked. F*cked up, I know. But the reality within which we must function.

Deal with it! I am.

The most talked about thing on the street (that I hear) is how disrespectful Obama was to throw his grandmother under the bus.

Either you live on a street with a disproportionate number of dumbasses, or you're confusing "the street" with HillaryIs44/TaylorMarsh/Talkleft/MyDD.

Well, I was specifically referring to the bar I attend at happy hour every afternoon.

They may be dumbasses, I'll give you that, but they are as American as apple pie.

I've been working in politics for 15 years. I am no longer shocked by the sheer stupidity of the American public.

However, that is the reality with which we deal. So deal!

So the people at that bar spontaneously generate the exact same talking point as HRC operatives? Color me unconvinced.

Well this is the second time I'm posting this but MKyleM, you are misinterpreting those numbers:

The question specifically is asking people who know about the controversy and speech not about those who actually heard the speech and second it is asking if the controvery -in it's entirety- makes them more or less likely to vote for Obama. Of course the entire controvery has been a negative to Obama's numbers.

Coleridge78,

I am NOT racist and take offense to yours and others BS trying to equate any criticism of Obama as racist. If you want Obama as the Democrats affirmative action candidate wherein you refuse to look at his record, his past, his associations, his views/values, and so forth, simply for the sake of his color, speeches, and such, go for it but know that you are promoting and giving a candidate a pass because of your and his racism. Do not mistake this and do not be so ignorant and assinine as to try and label everyone else as racist. I'm not the one with 20 years tied to a racist and anti-American church and community.

You're a fool. Cite me mentioning anyone as a racist other than this specific call-out. BillyGlad, among others, have criticized him incessantly, and while I find their reasons naive, I don't think they're racist.

No, you wear the tag specifically, because--and this is what you can't seem to wrap your head around--you actually say things that are concretely racist. Example: neither you nor any of the other small group of racist psychos here can cogently explain your insistence that Obama and Wright made anti-white statements.

They made specific statements about specific people and echelons, and you, not anyone else, just your own sick mind, equates it to all white people.

That is racist.

Then you blame them for your racism.

That's even more racist, and pathetically dishonest on top of it.

I'll say what I've said a number of times here lately, and I expect you to never reply just like everyone else: I defy you to explain, and non-sequiters don't count, where I'm wrong about this. I defy you, because you cannot. This is statement of fact.

Consider one new example, today Obama trashed his own grandmother as being a 'typical white person' and racist. Need we look any further?

Okay, for others who are a bit more dense, Obama first lied and lied about his church, his friend the pastor, and the community. He claimed multiple times that he never heard the hate and racism. Now, finally, Tuesday, he acknowledged that yes, he had heard it. While he claims he doesn't agree with it, he continues with the church and is even raising his daughters in this environment. This is really the topper as I find it incredulous that he would expose his children to something he does not believe in. At least, speaking for myself, I sure wouldn't expose my twin boys to the racism and hatred of America that Obama has found acceptable for his own family.

Why do you keep repeating this lie?

" He claimed multiple times that he never heard the hate and racism. Now, finally, Tuesday, he acknowledged that yes, he had heard it."

Nothing of the sort, and you must know it.

He said that he hadn't been present for the sermons represented by the clips (and no one has show that he was), but in his speech he said that he had heard "controversial" things from that pulpit.

No lie there. The lie is coming from the Hillary campaign, that breeding nest of lies.


I acknowledged the bare assertions, and asked for evidence, citations, reason.

You repeated the bare assertions.

Thank you for saying everything that needed to be said, with a certain perverse eloquence.

Matt, He never trashed his own grandmother. You have no ability to take anything in context. I'm caucasian, and yes, I have caught myself feeling nervous at night when passing an African American man on the street; I try to be cognizant of this and use it as a personal learning experience. If you can't admit you've ever had such an experience you are either a liar or totally out of touch with yourself.

Obama was merely using the example of his grandmother to explain this fact, and use her as an illustration of good people who have been affected all their lives by negative stereotypes of African Americans that have been perpetuated by our society. But, once again you want to take a short snippet of a quote out of context and bash him with it ... how right-wing radio of you. It is because of people like you that many in society avoid honest discussions about race. History is passing you by Matt, but it's never too late to open your eyes. Best of luck with that.

On what occasion has Obama EVER uttered the phrase "typical white person"? Links, please.

One of the reasons Obama appeals to so many, including me, is that he doesn't lump groups of people together as "typical." He recognizes that people are individuals, and don't all think or act or vote like sheep. I defy you to find any instance where he has EVER referred to a person or group as a "typical (fill in the blank) person."

I don't know how to use html and link, but just google it. "Typical white person obama" as keywords worked for me. Unfortunately just another comment that is being misunderstood and taken out of context by people like Matt who find doing so to be politically expedient.

Yeah, I guess I shoulda done that before I posted it multiple times. ;) Guess I just wanted MattWeaver to actually provide some factual evidence for once.

This article was first published on guardian.co.uk on Wednesday March 19 2008. It was last updated at 20:30 on March 19 2008.


On the day that dozens of US cruise missiles rained down on Serbia in an attempt to punish Yugoslav president Slobodan Milosevic for the country's onslaught against ethnic Albanian separatists in Kosovo, first lady Hillary Clinton was far from the White House war room: instead she was touring ancient Egyptian ruins, including King Tut's tomb and the temple of Hatshepsut. And on the day before the signing of the Good Friday agreement in Belfast she was at an event called "Hats on for Bella" in Washington.

In her bid for the Democratic presidential nomination, Hillary Clinton has touted her experience in the Clinton White House as preparation to lead the nation in a time of crisis. "Ready on day one" has been her slogan.

But an initial reading of some of the more than 11,000 pages of Clinton's schedules from her days as first lady, released today by the National Archives and the William Jefferson Clinton Presidential Library, shows that she was often far from the site of decision-making during some of the most pivotal events of Bill Clinton's presidency.

Clinton, who was an accomplished attorney and first lady of Arkansas before moving to the White House, frequently claims more than 30 years experience in public life, contrasting herself with Barack Obama's slimmer resume - he served several years in the Illinois legislature and was elected to the US Senate in 2004.

The Clinton campaign claimed on Wednesday that the release of the papers would show Clinton to have been an influential advocate at home and around the world on behalf of the US. But the documents from her office in the White House threaten to undermine her claim to have played a major role in Clinton's foreign policy decisions.

For instance, Clinton has said she helped negotiate the April 1998 Good Friday agreement between warring factions in Northern Ireland. But while Catholic and Protestant figures hashed out last-minute details of a power-sharing agreement in Belfast, Clinton was at the National Press Club in Washington at a party honouring Bella Abzug, a congresswoman from New York City who had died recently. While President Clinton phoned major participants in the peace talks, she met with Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel and joined a farewell party for Democratic operative Karen Finney. On the day the agreement was actually signed, she met with Philippine first lady Amelita Ramos.

When Nato launched air strikes against Serbia in an attempt to punish Yugoslav president Slobodan Milosevic for the country's onslaught against ethnic Albanian separatists in Kosovo, Clinton toured ancient Egyptian ruins, including King Tut's tomb and the temple of Hatshepsut. She dined at the Temple of Luxor, and stayed overnight at the Sofitel Winter Palace Hotel there.

On August 20, 1998, Bill Clinton ordered US missile strikes on suspected terrorist sites in Sudan and Afghanistan. The president and Hillary Clinton were on holiday on Martha's Vineyard, a posh island vacation spot off the coast of Massachusetts. After announcing the attack, Clinton cut short his break and returned to Washington to confer with his national security team; Hillary Clinton remained on the Vineyard until August 30, her records show.

There are other key foreign policy dates when the record is not so clear: on the day the presidents of three Balkan states signed a peace agreement in Dayton, Ohio, in November 1995, ending years of ethnic violence in the former Yugoslavia, Clinton's file lists no public schedule for that day, but indicates she was in Washington.

The documents' release on Wednesday came in response to a conservative organisation's freedom of information request and subsequent lawsuit. The records include schedules from nearly 3,000 days Clinton was in the White House, and detail meetings, trips, speaking engagements and social activities.

Bruce Lindsey, a Little Rock attorney and long time Clinton confidant, vetted the pages prior their release. He and national archives staff checked the documents for information sensitive to national security and law enforcement matters.

Nearly a third of the pages have redactions, most of which the archives said were made to protect the privacy of Clinton's associates. The redacted material includes home addresses, telephone numbers and social security numbers, the archives said.

Christopher Farrell, director of investigations and research with Judicial Watch, the organisation behind the two-year-long legal effort to win the documents' release, said he doesn't anticipate finding any "smoking gun" within the reams of pages.

He said Lindsey "has enormous discretion" to redact information potentially damaging to Clinton's White House bid. "My expectations are quite low."

Hillary Clinton was present in the White House, however, for at least one significant event of the Clinton presidency. On November 15 1995, when President Clinton is said to have begun his affair with White House intern Monica Lewinsky, she was in the White House, according to her schedule.

The release of Clinton's White House papers have made it possible to work out her whereabouts during the key moments in the Lewinsky scandal by comparing her schedule to the detailed account of Clinton's affair detailed in the Starr Report.

On at least one other occasion, the Clintons met on official White House duties shortly after Bill Clinton and Lewinsky had been engaged in sexual activity, the papers suggest.

You are right liam, Shame on the First Lady for performing her duties as First lady, and shame on her for allowing Bill to be unfaithful and shame on her for not being pushy and agressive and overshadowing her husband, shame on her for working behind the scenes to help get things done, shame shame shame.... Give me a break. there have been not one, not two, but THREE media reports that have the Irish embassador celebrating her involvement in those peace accords. Same with Bosnia.. right from the people that she was with, that she was helping. These toads just continue to demean a viable candidate simply because she is a woman and because she happens to be married to a former president.

Wow. Spoken precisely as a true right-wing Republican would say it. Or Geraldine Ferraro, actually.

BTW, when has any racist admitted to being one? They are always cowardly. Perhaps that is even worse. "I am not a racist" sounds just like "I am not a crook."

You, like your candidate, are starting to sound like a republican in your arguments and asertions in attempting to refute Obama.

Just watch these BRAND NEW SHOCKING videos of Pastor Wright. If you thought those other ones were bad, just you wait!! The hate contained in these videos is on a scale never ever seen in the history of the internet. And taht Pastor doesn't even wear a collar! He must not be a man of God. Matthew Weaver's head might actually explode when he sees these!!

Unending Love
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqphQcOUI4A&feature=related

Restoring power
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BuM5JVgwKc&feature=related

This one is especially moving
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zP9WLRhrzY&feature=related

God Keeps Promises
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JSXTlr4seI&feature=related

On how Jesus listens to you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfDyxqjPW5Q

The privacy of prayer - very moving
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7O0wS9NQCUM

Unwavering love
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pedwsGGGp0

Here's one preaching to youths
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT7LxAKgYeI

Faithful friend
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3Z4NArsgiU

Snark totally aside, these clips provide some much needed context. I would encourage people to pass them along to others. I sent them to my family tonight.

Excuse me, but what evidence do you have to paint ALL 8,000 MEMBERS of Trinity United Church of Christ - which include white and other NON-African-American people - as racist and anti-American?

Matthew Weaver,

Your are much not a racist as Geraldine Ferraro, Bill O'Reilley and Sean Hanity are not racists.

(I posted this comment earlier and I don't know if it was clear that it was meant for you):

Did you have a cup of Fox News in your coffee? You're way out of line and should ask a trusted friend if, for your own sake, they would put you back in your straight jacket. I don't think that you are a racist as much as you are trying to exploit race in much the same way that the Clinton campaign and the Republican attack machine has.

Hypocrite Hillary with the help of Keith Olbermann has finally been exposed in spectacular fashion for using race in this campaign. For you to suggest that Obama is a racist is absurd and stupid. No, it's beyond absurd and stupid.

At this point, it's beginning to just be sour grapes and because Hillary is on the expressway to defeat, her loyal fans are attacking desperately much the same way she is, and the Republicans are panicked and trying to make some headway before Obama's full concentration will be on beating McCain (I suspect you're part of the latter).

Obama is black and white. He can claim both and has looked intimately into both worlds. If this fact blows your mind that the "black candidate" you insanely call racist, you're a racist or have been watching too much Hannity-same thing.

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Do you know for a fact that Wright is a racist? That he's anti-American? I don't think you do. In fact, I don't think you know anything about him except for the 5-second soundbite that your friends at Fox have been playing over and over. I happen to agree with Wright. God damn America for what we've done.

Listen to Wright's entire sermon. The guy is neither racist, nor is he anti-American. What he is is a good, passionate, angry, patriotic, black Christian preacher.

Anti-American? He served in the fucking Marines, you ass.

Maybe not exactly a racist (though you do really sound like one), but definitely an angry frightened white man. Keep your hands over your nuts, fella. The world's changing.

Parsing, parsing, parsing again. Oh, SHE'S unaware of anyone doing it, but we're not saying the rest of us aren't. Just that she's personally unaware of anyone specifically doing it. What a transparent attempt at plausible deniability. Let's the rest of us keep trying to paint the "angry black man" label on him while we make it seem the candidate herself is in the dark. Dirty. Desperate. Sad.

People: So long as Obama remains the probable candidate, Weaver will be a troll*.

Do not feed the troll. Nothing productive will come from it.

*Unfamiliar with the term? Read more here.

How is Weaver a troll? I don't think he is being malicious. I don't think it is malicious to advocate a different point of view than yours.

This isn't kindergarden. This isn't *your* sandbox. This is politics; no matter what Obama says, politics will never be contention-free.

You Obama supporters want to continue to play the inevitability card. You want to beat every opposing view back so you can continue to drift in your fantacies.

No chance.

"How is Weaver a troll?" -MKyleM

Reread the first post of the thread:

"...Obama is racist and America-hating..."

Hysterical allegations of racism = trolling. Period.

LOL, I don't think Hillary is going to push this too hard...
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Jeremiah_Wright_was_White_House_guest.html

Pic of Bill Clinton with Rev Wright at the White House.
Not that it means a whole lot but it goes to show that Wright was a well respected religous figure.

Did Bill or Hillary Clinton refer to Wright as their "moral compass" or "mentor" and sit through sermons for 20 years????

NO!

Besides, that was in 1998, three years before Obama's "moral compass" hailed the violent deaths of 3,000 Americans.

Come again!

You're missing the point. The argument that the Clinton campaign is making is that Wright is a racist that hates white people. Why then, is he putting his reputation on the line in defending Bill Clinton? Bill is white, despite whatever you may have heard.

Also, if Wright is such a fringe wacko, why is he invited to the white house, and thanked in a personal letter?

This photo is asking you to reconsider the bullshit you've heard about Wright. Clinton obviously thought Wright was a solid Democrat priest and a man who's support he sought out in 1998.

THAT is what this photo is about.

Yeah, and about those 3000 deaths - Hillary's, McCain's, Cheney's & Bush's war cost 4000 deaths so maybe you can be a little upset about those deaths instead of some crazy talk by some irrelevant minister.

Cite where he "hailed" it. Please, we're waiting.

You cannot, as it is another lie. Not necessarily yours; you may just be repeating sources you trust. I hope that's true, and I hope that in the course of trying to verify it now, you find out it is, indeed, a lie, and reject it. Not reject your preferred candidate, her policy positions, or whatever, but just this lie.

Have you actually looked at a single other sermon of Wright's other than the couple of clips that have been in the news lately? If not, how can you make a vast generalization about the content of the "20 years of sermons" you decry? Perhaps you should take a look at some of the other Wright sermons someone so thoughtfully posted links to above. Then again, it might ruin your unfounded and hysterical argument.

And the inconsequential photograph was provided by... none other than the Obama campaign:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/20/photograph-of-bill-clinton-and-rev-wright-surfaces/

Wow you people are touchy. Off the meds are we?
I did say it didn't mean a whole lot - but clearly he was well respected enough as a pastor to get an invitation to the White House.

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Hillary continues to demonstrate an unsettling lack of character in the way she has conducted her increasingly dishonest and desperate campaign.

Politicians using Wright to scare up votes shows the spectacular dumbness amongst the majority of the electrotrate

At best Wright is a angry pastor who frequently used hate speech to protest against injustices against a disenfranchised community. His words are far less offensive compared to the injustices committed against black community by the forces which control this nation.

Is it a surprise then that the American electorare who elected Bush in fear would let bastards who practice politics like prostitution push incendiary buttons of race and religon whenever there is no other way to generate votes- trigger fear to force people collapse on the knees and whimper.

It's not about Hillary or Bush or Obama- it's about how fear politcs remains a very accepted practice in mainstream politics.

If the socially illiterate electorate vote on the basis of fear tactics and not based on two wars, crippling economy, corruption in D.C., etc it's a reminder they will inevitably make a choice against their own interest.

I call bullshit on Hillary. Her campaign is clearly pushing the story or they'd deny it. And if she is not directly in charge of such a high level decision as to whether to push the story, then she is even more Nixonian than I thought in ruling by plausible deniability. It means she has given an order like "Do whatever it takes, but don't tell me about all the gory details."

And the point of Bill Clinton inviting Wright is not that he's as closely associated with Wright as Obama, it's that it corroborates Obama's repeated statements that Wright was not some known out-of-the-mainstream nutcake like Hannity's portraying him. If that was Wright's rep, he would not have beeen invited to the White House.

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In the Watergate days this was called "the non-denial denial," and we all knew what that sort of denial meant.

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I hope she is pushing the story. The Obama camp has been talking about how unelectable Hillary is since day one. This story could affect his electability. But once again, we're only supposed to talk about these things when Obama says it's OK. Saying the issue will affect his electability is not the same as saying he's guilty of anything. This is a political campaign, not a support group. There's a difference between what you say in private conversation to supers and what you use as a campaign weapon. Obama has known Wright was a liability for more than a year, and was hoping the issue wouldn't come up. That's not Hillary's doing, and the whole thing doesn't magically disappear because he gave a pretty speech.

Hillary tied defending him against the Muslim charges on 60 Minutes, and most of you used that as an occasion to spread more bullshit about her. After that, she doesn't owe him anything.

Back in the 1980s, there was a custody case where a white dad tried to take back his kid from his white mom, because she had married a black man, and according to the judge, that would make the kid's life more difficult. In 1984, the Supreme Court said no, that's discriminatory and courts cannot be used to enforce discrimination. Palmore v. Sidoti, 466 U.S. 429.

Which brings us to electability. Hillary's electability problems are based on her choices in political life, and those of Bill Clinton's in which she was a major participant.

Obama's electability, once we resolve - and you seem to agree ("Saying the issue will affect his electability is not the same as saying he's guilty of anything.") - that he does not share the views in question, seems really to stem from his association with black people, which stems from the fact that he is a black American, and therefore less electable.

Hey. I'm not putting words in other people's mouths. The Clintons said so in South Carolina, and don't you argue that somehow they think any differently now. There are hundreds of mainstream older pastors like Wright - to ask a presidential candidate to disassociate oneself with their views is fine, to punish a candidate for being a real black person is not. If we are democrats in any sense of the world, like the laws we uphold, we cannot hold it against someone from being socially part of the black community, a member of which American society designated him when he was born.

the good pastor has a photograph with president clinton and that means something? didn't president clinton also describe him as "a spiritual mentor," "role model," "uncle," and inspire the title of his best-selling book? oh, wait...

Aren't we a bit touchy, Matthew Weaver? You and others ask us to examine Obama's relationship to Wright and imply about one from the other, and yet you object when the shoe is on the other (white) foot.

It's unbelievable how much in denial many white Americans are about white racism. All you have to do is browse the Internet comment boards, read Craigslist personal ads, count the number of black Senators.... C'mon, don't treat us like we're two year olds!

Obama is a fundamentally and thoroughly honest intellectual, and mention of his grandmother - well that's something I hope every American with white forbears comes out and says - the truth!!

I don't think Matthew Weaver racist, but he sounds defensive and protective of racists. Maybe his parents? Or his friends? But I won't hold that against you.

Fine. They want to use this kind of stuff--knowing that it will tear apart the party further, knowing that it'll endanger the Democrats chance to win in November, knowing that they are alienating Obama supporters across the spectrum. They can do that if they choose to. But they--and she--would do better to admit that's what they were doing, and not half-deny.

She tried defending him on 60 minutes? Right--as far as I know...

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FX played American History X a couple times tonight. Very apropos.

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"When Clinton was then asked specifically if her campaign was pushing the Wright story -- she shrugged and took the next question, ignoring the reporter."

That means yes. If she wan't "aware" of it, she could have answered, "I'm not aware of that."

But she didn't. She ignored the question.

Hillary Clinton is a despicable human being.

But Obama was supposed to be new. He flatters himself as a man of the future transcending the anger of the past as represented by his beloved pastor. Obama then waxes rhapsodic about the hope brought by the new consciousness of the young people in his campaign. Then answer this, Senator: If Wright is a man of the past, why would you expose your children to his vitriolic divisiveness? This is a man who curses America and who proclaimed moral satisfaction in the deaths of 3,000 innocents at a time when their bodies were still being sought at Ground Zero. It is not just the older congregants who stand and cheer and roar in wild approval of Wright's rants, but young people as well. Why did you give $22,500 just two years ago to a church run by a man of the past who infects the younger generation with precisely the racial attitudes and animus you say you have come unto us to transcend?

letters@charleskrauthammer.com - Washington Post

well, Wright is a fruitcake, and seems to have a lot of what I call "dignitude," the amped up self-righteousness, self-pity and complete lack of sense of responsibility for one's own failure that you can find in a lot of urban neighborhoods. Does he also subscribe to the KKK owns Snapple storyline? What's his position on reparations?

Me: I say Repatriation Now!

When you grow a small congregation into one comprising 8,000 people, lead it for decades, and get invited to the white house and to lecture at universities across the country maybe I'll call you a failure too. Once again, an unthinking post by someone who consumes sound bites and doesn't want to try to understand the man's career.

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Amazing how hard it is for people to hear their own bigotry. We will be a proud nation when we push this one under the rug yet again in November.

This reaks of the IRON *****`s involvement!!!I mean it has her finger prints all over it.But not to fear Bill Richardson endorsed Obama this morning and that will be a big help with the remaing States.

I agree with Weaver, it would be great to see Hillary attack Obama on his relationship with his Grandma while accusing him of being a racist. That would make my day. She could completely desecrate her remaining 8% of the black vote, while simultaneously alienating every party senior and superdelegate. Unfortunately, she would never take such bad advice. Applying republican tactics to a democratic primary requires a little more subtlety, something the Clintons have perfected.

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Hey Razor

As long as we're calling bullshit here, I call bullshit on your response to the 60 Minutes thing. Instead of trotting out the tired "as far as I know" response, why don't you honestly answer a couple of questions? Was Hillary's first response "Of course not"? Did she then say "There's no basis for that"? Assuming you have a shred of honesty, please tell me how those comments are anything other than a defense of Obama. Is it your contention that she knew she would be asked the same question three times, and decided to save her awful answer for the third question, as some sort of evil genius strategy? And why are her first two statements so inconsequential that you and people like you never even acknowledge that she said them, but her third statement is somehow a bulletproof indictment of her motives?

Kroft kept asking the question as if he had something up his sleeve he was going to spring on her. After defending Obama completely, it was only reasonable that by the third time she would say "as far as I know." How far out on a limb is she supposed to go in testifying to another person's faith?

Assuming you don't have the intellectual integrity to answer my questions, I'm curious to see if any Obama supporter can answer questions like these without engaging in personal attacks.

There was no reason or room for equivocating in her response. The fact that she did (and there's no denying that "as far as I know" is an equivocation) indicates a real lack of a moral compass on Hillary Clinton's part. My gut feeling is that she was surprised by the question, recognized both the opportunity and the danger the question offered her, and she went as far as she dared.

Needless to say, I wasn't impressed by her passionate defense of Obama against those smears

Building up a small gang of religious fruitcakes with crazy and ignorant beliefs into a club of 8000, that's an accomplishment I should wish to emulate? Thanks no. Look, it is one thing for Mccain to be endorsed by a religious fruitcake, or Clinton to have a religious fruitcake over for a prayer meeting, with a bunch of other religious fruitcakes. That's American politics. But to belong to a club for 20 years where the leader says crazy and ireesponsible shit that betrays profound ignorance of the world as well as a nasty-fuck attitude, and to be close buddies with such a nut case, to me disqualifies Obama.

I think it is bad enough that you have to be a churchgoer of one sort or another to run for office in America. Jesus, here in Europe people who laugh at you for saying going to church is a reason to vote for you. But to belong to a club of crazies and defend it as a reasonable response to yee old Jim Crow and slavery is pathetic non-sense.

Milorad-I detect a "fruitcake" theme running through your comments. What do you have against fruitcake?

Once again, the Obama folks can't let it go.. Hillary hasn't said BOO about this nor has anyone on the campaign and you are all here blasting her for playing the race card! I think Obama let this whole White thing out on purpose because he needed to give a speech on the racial divide in order to get it out there and get past it. So let's get past it. Hillary is still my candidate and one more reason I support her is because she isn't someone who would listen to a Reverend White sermon like the ones on the internet and not denounce the remarks immediately. I think Obama tried for three months to figure out how best to spin it and his speech was the spin. Now he has to figure out a way to link Clinton to his passport and try to diminish her role as first lady, he is a very busy politician.

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Greg et al,
I think your point would be much more compelling if you quoted Lanny Davis' question to Obama and tell who he is. He was one of Bill C's prominent legal advisors and is now a supporter and advisor for Hillary. Here's the question he put on the Huffington Post.

"If a white minister preached sermons to his congregation and had used the "N" word and used rhetoric and words similar to members of the KKK, would you support a Democratic presidential candidate who decided to continue to be a member of that congregation?"

I would hope that a reporter would ask Hillary if she knew that one of her and her husband's long-time advisors, Lanny Davis, had suggested in a question to Obama that Obama's pastor's words were like the words of a member of the Ku Klux Klan.

I would also ask her if she had taken the time or had one of her staff members take the time to actually get to know Pastor Wright, to learn that he is an amazingly compassionate man who has ministered to and respected many white people and had many positive things to sasy about prominent white Americans who have uplifted black people, including most prominently, Abraham Lincoln. He has said inflammatory things that Obama has rejected, but he has also said many things that Hillary and Bill and many other moderate to progressive people can celebrate.

She can't do this kind of thing, because she is desperate and prone to do deceitful and some blatantly dishonest things to win. She has insufficient character and judgment for the presidency.

Me thinks the United States is starting to wake up.....On Friday morning, Obama was given a 41% chance of becoming the next President while McCain was given a 40% chance. That’s a big change since the beginning of the month when Obama was given a 58% chance of winning while expectations for McCain were at 36%.

Give both Clintons credit for engaging with Richard Scaife, considering all the history between them. Bill recently got a big AIDS aid check from Scaife (see recent Scaife profile in Vanity Fair) and Hillary walks into the lion's den and also appears on Pittsburgh-area talk radio shows that are generally very hostile to her. And where's Barack? Chillin' on the beach, glad-handing in friendly NC. Yes, he took a few softball questions yesterday on a Pittsburgh TV station, but otherwise, Invisible Man. Pittsburgh voters are noticing.

The extra irony here is that UCC is, literally, the lineal descendant of the Puritans. Who became Congregationalists and were fused into UCC. So if they're unAmerican . . . well, whatever, I give up . . .

I'm disappointed with these remarks. I've been all "Hillary is turning over a new leaf" -- "she's going to attack John McCain from time to time now" -- "let's cut Hillary some slack." And now she's off pushing the Wright story again.

Jeez!! I'm really on the point of losing my temper with the Clinton campaign. Can't they see they are destroying everything they have worked for, hurting the party, and tarnishing their legacy?

It's amazing how far this wright thing has gone, and how obviously oblivious many non-minority type folk can be... and perhaps want to be.

The kinds of things Wright said about 911 being part of a cycle of violence that we as a nation willingly participate in are really no different than things MLK was saying back in his time. In the same kinds of places, and for the same kinds of reasons. With the same kind of reaction. Again, mostly from shocked and oblivious older whites, while the younger generation intuitively understood.

Here's a newsflash. If you want to try and help out in poor urban african american communities, your best bet, I'd say your only bet, is to do it through the african american church. That's where the social resources are. That's where the history of activism is. ANYONE on Chicago's south side, or Cleveland's near east side, or inner-city Detroit that is trying to make a difference is bedding down with some folks that veer into liberation theology, which is mostly Afrocentric and often aggressively pacifist, if I can use that term. It's a clear and simple response to a violent culture.

The alternative to working with this tradition is to not bother to try to make a difference in the inner city at all, which is apparently the more politically acceptable thing to do. "Certainly Wright would not have been MY pastor..." That's right Hillary. Does everyone understand why?

Leaving that aside, here's a question for the Wright haters out there: What part of "god damn america for killing innocent people" do you not agree with? Is that really such a terrible statement? For my money, I pretty much agree with Wright that this is a relatively sound biblical principle. It's not a patriotic statement, but does anyone want to argue that patriotism and Christianity are especially compatible? I'm actually more comfortable with this kind of religion than the kind that tries to ignore the ravages of war or even explain them away as somehow deeply justified. And if you don't understand how this more simple message is appropriate for confronting inner city life, it's only because you don't live there or go there or care to understand.

And given that out of the context of Black urban america one can have complaints about the simplification and literalism of such a statement as "god damn america for killing innocent people"-- Given that, is the simple if angry pacifist message really so far beyond the pall that you think anyone peripherally associated with it is poison? Do you see what that means?

Is this where our party is? Or have the Republicans just convinced us that that is where our party has to be? In short, has the political fear--the same spinelessness that got us into Iraq-- gone metastatic? And where does it emerge next? Now we have to start acting like Republicans on race and religion?

Wright is over the top. But his kind of over the top, for all the handwringing about the vaunted "black kkk," actually accomplishes some good with the bad. There is proof of that, even as I think Obama is right about some of the counterproductiveness. I invite you to compare and contrast what Wright accomplishes with his dog and pony show to the likes of that bleach-blond adam's-appled chick on the right skreetching about "faggots", or any of the other "patriotic" war-cheerleaders. Frankly, even if I can't bring myself to be that simple or paranoid about it, I'm glad there are people in this country saying "god damn America" in the sense of it's greatest failures. It's healthy. And I don't mind that our next president will have countenanced, confronted, worked with, and gained an understanding of this radical if simpleminded critique.

Grrr. Blood's a-boiling. In fact I'm....
Fired up! Ready to Go!

In real news of actual reality based news, check out the excellent Alter piece.

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