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Your Election Central Guide To The Weekend Dem Contests

Super Tuesday is hardly over, but the Democratic campaigns are already geared up for some big races this weekend, with a total of 182 delegates up for grabs. Barack Obama is currently favored in three out of four of the contests, with only one possibly leaning to Hillary Clinton.

Our handy rundown is available after the jump.

Louisiana primary — Saturday, 56 delegates: Obama is considered the favorite here due largely to the large portion black voters among the state's Democrats, and his past performance in the Deep South primaries in South Carolina, Georgia and Alabama. Obama also has a new ad out that seems to almost echo John Edwards' old themes of rebuilding New Orleans, a sign that he's going for the same sort of populist voters in addition to his African-American base in Southern contests. There are no recent polls of the race here.

Nebraska caucus — Saturday, 24 delegates: Obama has done very well in Mountain/Prairie state caucuses, such as his 74% showing in neighboring Kansas on Super Tuesday, on account of the small Democratic establishments that do exist in this region giving him their support. The situation is no different here — Obama is supported by the state party's two current leaders, Senator Ben Nelson and Omaha Mayor Mike Fahey. There are no recent polls of the race here.

Washington State caucus — Saturday, 78 delegates: This is the single biggest contest of the weekend, and also the one taking place in the bluest state. Although Hillary built up the early support of establishment figures like former Gov. Gary Locke, Sen. Maria Cantwell and recently Sen. Patty Murray, Obama has caught up very quickly. This week he won the endorsement of the state SEIU, the largest union in the state, and today he got the support of current Gov. Christine Gregoire. Also bear in mind that caucuses are all about organization and intensity on the part of a candidate's followers. A SurveyUSA poll released Monday put Obama ahead 53%-40%.

Maine caucus — Sunday, 24 delegates: There hasn't been any major polling on this race, but on paper it looks like Hillary Clinton's best chance for a victory this weekend. She has the support of the state's Democratic establishment, led by Gov. John Baldacci and former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell, and the demographics don't help Obama very much. There aren't that many students, the population is largely white and working class, and so far Hillary has won two out of three of the New England states to have voted so far. Obama will probably work for a good showing in the liberal bastion of Portland, as well as the swing area of Bangor, in order to keep it close.


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I don't think the upcoming schedule favors Obama. February doesn't have many big contest and even then Hillary will still pick up 40-50% of the delegates.

After that most of the state where Obama will be favored will be done and the large working class states such as Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania start to come into play. Hillary should do well in those delegate rich states.

She may not have the nomination wrapped up, but she should go into the convention with a 200 - 300 delegate advantage. At that point, the 'supers' will probably make it offical.

I still hear talk of 'momentum' helping Obama in those March contest. So far momentum has not played much of a factor in any contest. Not for Obama after Iowa and not for Clinton after New Hampshire.

Thanks to proportional allocation, she can't pick up 200-300 delegates in those states unless she wins them by 30 point margins. Pretty unlikely. (And, after Obama wins dozens of delegates here and there in the intervening states, it'll be more like 300-400 she'll need to hit your target.) Look for Obama to be up by at least 100 delegates going into the convention, if not more.

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Obama will win Louisiana, Nebraska and Washington State and lose narrowly to Hillary in Maine. Then he'll sweep the Feb. 12 primaries in Virginia, Maryland and Washington, D.C., as well as winning in Hawaii and Wisconsin a week later.

Hillary will win Ohio, Pennsylvania and Texas, but proportional delegate allotments will work against her unless she can win by very wide margins in those states. She will most definitely NOT have a 200-300 delegate advantage going into the convention.

Fine analysis, but did the demographics work in his favor in Iowa or Connecticut? No.

Caucus = Obama win. Hillary will be 0-4 this weekend.

What KevinH said.

As I've said before - I still like her chances.

But there's one more thing to clear up before the weekend. Ever since Tuesday, when the Obama campaign made a holy pronouncement and his devotees fell prostrate before it, I have heard the mantra said thusly over and over again: "Verily, He hast more delegates." or "He wonneth more delegates on Tuesday than Hillary dideth."

Sorry, true believers. Neither is true. I know you won't believe an apostate like me, so here's the link:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/#D

That said, Obama should do very well this weekend and this week it's Hillary's job to stay close. But after Ohio and Pennsylvania have spoken, Hillary will go into the convention as a big favorite, leading in pledged delegates, popular vote, and with Florida and Michigan in her favor. I agree, her superdelegates may put her over the top.

I still like her chances.

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CNN hasn't counted all the delegates yet. They haven't even called NM yet. They're just reporting the ones they know for sure. When they count all the delegates, it seems pretty clear that he'll be ahead in pledged delegates, and Clinton will continue to enjoy a slight lead in total delegates.

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"Hillary will go into the convention as a big favorite..."

That's just silly. If she's not a big favorite now, what do you suppose is going to change? Hillary will go into the convention either barely ahead or barely behind. Then we'll have a brokered convention. Following that, if Hillary somehow manages to get the nomination, we'll see John McCain elected president. But I don't see that happening. A lot of Democrats falsely believed that Ted Kennedy was going to help Obama win Massachusetts. That's not Ted's job. His job is to jawbone the superdelegates and bring them over to Obama's side. The real work is going on behind the scenes.

If Hillary and Obama are close going into the convention, the superdelegates will go to the candidate most likely to win in November. That's the job of the superdelegates: adult supervision.

Not a good month for Hillary: A win in Maine would spark a big celebration--and the Obama ground game has a pretty solid track record on getting voters out to caucus.

She's playing defense and hanging on until March 4th.

Caucus doesn't always equal an Obama win (Nevada). Still, 3/4 wouldn't be bad, and since theyre haven't been any polls, who knows what could happen in Maine.

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Hey now, Obama got more delegates out of NV then Hillary.

Caucus doesn't always equal an Obama win (Nevada). Still, 3/4 wouldn't be bad, and since theyre haven't been any polls, who knows what could happen in Maine.

Caucus doesn't always equal an Obama win (Nevada). Still, 3/4 wouldn't be bad, and since theyre haven't been any polls, who knows what could happen in Maine.

The reason Obama supporters keep saying he won more delegates is that we aren't counting superdelegates. You can argue about the fairness or accuracy of that, but when it come down to it, he has more pledged delegates.

Maybe we're overly optimistic, but I think most of us believe that the superdelegates will fall into line with the pledged delegate count at the convention to avoid the negative reaction that would be caused by them essentially going against the will of the voters. Hillary may lead in declared superdelegates, but that doesn't really matter until they cast their votes.

Caucus turnout may be held down by bad weather, but Hillary might be looking at a shutout...and celebrating any small victories they can eke out in terms of delegates.

Don't forget about Maine's "independent" streak. I wouldn't be surprised to see Obama sweep the next seven primaries (these four, plus Potomac primaries) -- eight if you include Virgin Islands.

A win in Maine for the Clintons wouldn't be surprising at all.

However, I wonder if the news of the campaign's yo-yo'ing saga of money woes has any effect.

If one of Hillary's main points is that she has the experience to be President versus the untried challenger... her handling of her own campaign would seem to undercut that argument substantially.

Certainly, if news like this

http://www.seacoastonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080208/NEWS/802080448

filters up the seacoast it sure wouldn't be particularly helpful.

Led Nudd:

I don't think your analysis works. CNN and NY Times both project Hillary with a lead of about 100 - 150 committed (Supers and pledged) delegate right now.

I know with the proportional delegate process, Obama will narrow that lead considerably in February. But for every 3 delegates he picks up, she'll pick up 2. In March that ratio will be reversed, only with bigger states. Very unlikely he will be able to make up the current deficit and move 100 ahead before the convention.

Having the most delegates will also give Hillary control over the rules committee. The Michigan and Florida slates should then be seated, giving Hillary an even bigger margin.

No, Obama has a lead of about 20-30 pledged delegates, once all Super Tuesday returns are in.

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I love how the media (who cannot see beyond identity politics) & irrational Hilary backers (who feel her years supporting Bill through infidelity makes her due the presidency) keep raising the bar and minimizing the movement that supports Sen. Obama.

First it was was, "Well, he is only winning cuz of Blacks."

Then it was, "He is only winning cuz of Blacks and young people."

Then it was, "He is only winning cuzzing of Blacks, young people, and higher income educated Whites."

Now its, "He is only winning cuz of Blacks, young people, higher income Whites, and in caucases"

Soon they won't have a constitency except divorced White women between 40-45years old, making 25-40k a year. You cant win an election like that.

I don't know whether this is because he is African American, relatively young, or because they had assumes for the last 6 years she would run unopposed. Whatever the reason it is becoming tiresome.

I wonder what will be the excuse when he wins Nebreaska with its lower income, mainly White population and its primary election. I'm sure it will be something.

Obama will win:

Louisiana
Nebraska
Virginia
Hawaii
Washington D.C.

Clinton will win:

Washington State
Maine
Maryland
Wisconsin

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Doubtful that Clinton picks up Maine.
Doubtful Clinton picks up Maryland.
Maaaaybe Wisconsin.
Doubtful Clinton picks up Washington.

What if Obama takes all 4?

He has a good shot to take all of the February contests. That will change the landscape in March.

For all ur calculations, it is Latinos in TX will decide to give final kick to Obama. They are voting 7-3 for Hillary and along with OH & PA she will have good delegate lead, even after Obama wins other states. TX has 30% latinos against 10% black, this gives good delegate lead just like in CA to HRC.
Obamas best states will done by this weekend, he doesn't have chance after that.

Clinton is only up by 10 pts. in Texas before Super Tuesday. That's not a safe lead while he continues to surge and raise millions of dollars. Also don't count out the youth vote here. Lots of campuses in Texas!

But let's be honest with ourselves, Obama is favored to beat Mac. From the party's standpoint, why would you risk Hillary against Mccain? Do you really believe Rush or Coulter will embrace Hillary over Mac in the general election??? Don't be so naive. That's a fairy tale.

It's not about a woman or a black man being president. It's about The Party. The super delegates would/will agree.

Like it or not "The Party" is voting for HRC

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Like it or not, Obama is surging. Look at the aggregated poll results:

http://www.pollster.com/08-US-Dem-Pres-Primary.php

These are the results of dozens of polls. While the individual polls are all over the map, the trend is very clear. Once Obama passes Hillary a week or two from now, he will be unstoppable.

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Because delegates are allocated proportionally, Hillary would need to win by an extremely wide margin in order to make any serious delegate gains in Texas. She'll win, but I don't see her getting any huge numbers there. The Obama campaign has the state mapped out for maximum delegate impact just like they did in Nevada, where Hillary took the state, but Obama got the most delegates.

I predict the Dow will hit 13,000 again on Monday. And my prediction on that is worth as much as anyone else's about what will happen in Ohio, Pennsylvania or Texas. Hasn't been a poll there in any of those states in weeks.

ALso good read is Karl Rove's analysis on Fox News. U may hate him but when it comes to elections he is accurate.

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Karl Rove? Pluheeze!!!

He is just salivating at the thought of the Republicans against Hillary. If you are trusting Karl Rove for his "honest" analysis of the election you truly are psychotic.

Anyone know when that ignore button is planning to be released?

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Thanks for not providing a link. I really hate it when people make things too easy for me. *:o)

HillaryClinton08,
Washington & Maryland? Seriously? There have only been a couple polls in theres places, but they have been overwhelmingly for Obama (plus, they are the kind of places he wins). I have no idea about Maine, and WI will be very close.

I think Obama does have the advantage until Ohio and Texas. He will have another month of media support. That will likely end should he get the nomination. To Bravo6, that list of states you gave where Obama can attack--only MO and VA are in play, based on past elections. And he may not be able to defend Pennsylvania, California, or take Ohio. Off topic: who should his VP be? Does it have to be someone with military/inernational policy exp.?

"TX has 30% latinos against 10% black, this gives good delegate lead just like in CA to HRC.
Obamas best states will done by this weekend, he doesn't have chance after that."

That last sentance sounds a lot like Hillary supporters a couple weeks before Super Tuesday. And Obama has been getting better and better with Latino voters. In AZ, about 44% went for him, and I heard he and Clinton were almost tied in NM.

Washington, Maryland and Wisconsin for Clinton?

I want some of what you're smoking.

Any mention of Florida and Michigan makes my skin crawl. Pulling a Rove-esque trick like getting those delegates seated to clinch the nomination could do irreparable damage to the party. There would be no better way for the Democrats to alienate every young voter coming out for Obama than to allow her those delegates. It would certainly cause me to vote for McCain and I'm sure countless others like me would do the same.

Stop threatening to vote for McCain, no one cares. If you want to vote for him, go ahead. I am sick of reading this, maybe you should just switch partys if you can only support one candidate.

Seating Michigan and Florida would make my blood boil and given a Billary win, I would stay home home.

Like Junionman says, stay home and nobody will miss you. This is the Internets, after all, so chances are you are simply a Republican troll trying to whip up tribalistic sentiments among supporters of the two Democratic candidates so that party solidarity won't hold up after the convention.

Given the state of the Republican Party right now, we can expect even more desperate tactics.

But your pouting game has gotten a little old.

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I think Maine is a toss up right now. The Dem establishment has been strongly Clinton for some time (Bill helped fundraise for the current Gov), so that's where allegiances lie. But Maine is strangely independent- they elected a 2-term independent governor, and Ross Perot had a very strong showing with 30% in 1992.

I'd be very surprised if Clinton takes Wisconsin. The bluest parts of the state (Madison and Milwaukee) will go overwhelmingly for Obama. I don't see him running any worse than 50/50 in the rest of the state either.

To those people that think that Texas and Ohio are going to give Hillary a huge boost, I think you need to recalibrate your estimates. Assuming that she wins both states by the same percentage she won California, she'll only pick up a 15 delegate edge from Ohio and a 21 delegate edge from Texas. And given that Texas has some very complex rules (primary + caucus, delegates allocated based on the democratic votes in the last governor's election), I'm not sure she can run up that margin in Texas.

That's right. The importance of these big states is overrated. Clinton might win Texas and Ohio,but not big. Meanwhile, big margins by Obama in places like Kansas and Minnesota gain a big net advantage in delegates. Winning big in Washington is much better than winning small in Texas.

Latest polls on the upcoming states:

Virginia: Obama 59, Clinton 39
Maryland: Obama 52, Clinton 33
Washington: Obama 55, Clinton 40
Nebraska: Favoring Obama, no numbers yet
Louisiana: Favoring Obama, no numbers yet
Maine: Favoring Clinton, no numbers yet

Oh, and uh...Washington is a blue state.

And so is Maryland, too.

For those of you who support Barack Obama, PLEASE go to

www:freedomsenemies.com/_more/obama.htm

These are his own words from his book, friends and family. He was right when he said that no politician is clean. He is just as dirty if not more so than the rest. Some new change. He is not an outsider he's in the Senate. Why did he go along with supporting the war once he had the power to vote against it? What a hypocrite. I feel sorry for those who were taken in by him.

He has taken the great words of JFK and MLK and used them for his own. What a fraud. Yes the U.S. desperately wants change. They want change from George W Bush and it doesn't matter who it is. Obama wants you to believe in the words that he says but it's not what he believes in his heart.

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Jennie3233: No one wants to hear your vile, dishonest garbage. Not Obama supporters, not Hillary supporters, not Mike Gravel supporters. Nobody. Please go away and get yourself some professional help.

For those of you who support Barack Obama, PLEASE go to

www:freedomsenemies.com/_more/obama.htm

These are his own words from his book, friends and family. He was right when he said that no politician is clean. He is just as dirty if not more so than the rest. Some new change. He is not an outsider he's in the Senate. Why did he go along with supporting the war once he had the power to vote against it? What a hypocrite. I feel sorry for those who were taken in by him.

He has taken the great words of JFK and MLK and used them for his own. What a fraud. Yes the U.S. desperately wants change. They want change from George W Bush and it doesn't matter who it is. Obama wants you to believe in the words that he says but it's not what he believes in his heart.

jennie3233 you are truly a vile little snake, rotten with bigotry and spite. The extremes of any group are so telling. Extreme Obama supporters are delirious, peace, love and tie-dye hippies who want to hold hands and have a big love-in. Mildly irritating but basically harmless. Extreme Hillary supporters like yourself are something else: racist, hate-filled, sexist, clearly miserable and riddled with self-loathing.

jennie3233 you are truly a vile little snake, rotten with bigotry and spite. The extremes of any group are so telling. Extreme Obama supporters are delirious, peace, love and tie-dye hippies who want to hold hands and have a big love-in. Mildly irritating but basically harmless. Extreme Hillary supporters like yourself are something else: racist, hate-filled, sexist, clearly miserable and riddled with self-loathing.

Roseanne? Is that you?

But let's just be honest with each other here, Obama can beat Mac. If this holds up then the super delegates are going to swing it to the one who can win. Hillary is too close to call, why risk the presidency to someone who will keep us in Iraq indefinitely and attack Iran? Enough is enough, get behind the one who can win!

It really is that simple. It's not about gender or race, it's about electability. If the stars are aligned with Obama, expect the super delegates to follow suit.

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Michigan and Florida delegates will not be seated or count at the convention. Michigan only had Hillary on the ballot and by party rules, she is excluded from the general ballot in November. Florida did not allow any campaigning from the candidates. Giving Hillary the Florida delegates will almost certainly lead to an ugly fight on the floor of the convention. The party can not afford that.

There is also the question of the Edwards delegates.

Both candidates could end up almost tied on pledged delegates. What will the super delegates do then? They will do anything to keep from being the decision makers.

The Supers can not risk alienating 50% of the democrats. Remember it's not who has the most pledged delegates; it's whoever can reach the nomination number requirement.

The convention should be a really fascinating spectacle with two candidates tied for delegates; both with almost fanatical followings. The convention will be like a head-on car crash.

Remember that Texas is a hybrid system, part primary, part caucus. If you vote in the primary, you can participate in the caucus. Getting followers to do both will make the day. I like Obama's ground game better. Texas will be, at worst, a draw for Obama. If he keeps Ohio close, Hilary is in trouble, no matter how you crunch the numbers.

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That's pretty bizarre.

I think Louisiana may be disappointing for Obama, follow the money...Hillary raised more. He has good groundwork in Texas in Ohio...he may win if he plans it out right.

Junionman "Stop threatening to vote for McCain"

Here, here. I'm an Obama supporter and I think he's a far superior candidate. But think about that for a second. We probably have one or two Supreme Court justices retiring in the next 4 years. Do you want another Scalia and Roberts... or Thomas (shudder). Hillary brings all the baggage of the Clintons and reminds me of the bitterness I felt back in 2000 when I might have seriously voted for McCain over Gore (I was that pissed at the failures of the Administration to live up their potential through scandal and personal faults). But it's no longer 2000, we've suffered 8 years under a criminal Administration with it's illegal wars, torture and wiretapping. Remember the freedom zones of 2004? The country needs CHANGE, and Obama IS the force for Change. But the country being led by even a Clinton Democratic Administration would be far superior to any Republican right now. The Republicans have abdicated their right to rule this country. PLEASE stop this "cow chips". I believe Obama will win, but don't hold your breath like a three year old or cut your nose off to spite your face if we end up with Hillary. THINK!

Yes we can! Obama 4-0 this weekend!

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The polling looks great for Obama!
What if Obama wins everything in February?
Clinton is running out of cash and becomes the Dem version of Rudy Guiliani!
It is not a good strategy to hold out hope for Penn, Ohio, and Texas after Obama rakes up almost a dozen victories in a row.
Especially when the polls are showing Obama beats McCain and Hillary doesn't.
Only one person can unite the disarrayed Republican party and her name is Hillary Clinton.

I disagree with Eric's analysis of Louisiana:

"Obama is considered the favorite here due largely to the large portion black voters among the state's Democrats..."

From everything I've read, that African-American base is still over 100k light, compared to pre-Katrina numbers. And more susceptible to caging, along with other vote manipulation tactics.

I'd call Louisiana a squeaker for Obama.

I think Maine could easily go for Clinton.

Overall, my feeling is two to one Obama, with a possible vote win but delegate loss in Louisiana.

I live in Washington and I will go on the record to state that Obama is going to carry this state tomorrow.

I tried to go to the rally in Seattle today but Key Arena was full of 20,000 supporters within two hours. Supporters had been lining up since 6AM. 4,000 of us supporters hung around outside the arena, where Obama came out to say hello before going onstage inside the arena. Since it is Washington it was cold and wet so my brother and I went across the street to watch his speech from a sports bar. It took us an hour to get seated, and the restaurant was full of cheering and clapping Obama supporters.

The enthusiasm in this state for Obama is incredible! I listened to Hillary's speech last night, and she sounds desperate as of late. I don't understand this tact, but it plays right into the narrative that Peggy Noonan wrote about today in the WSJ. Hillary is losing this election by a slow ebbing of daily support. I predict that Obama will carry the state by eleven points tomorrow.

Forgot to include the Noonan link! Sorry.

http://online.wsj.com/article/declarations.html

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I don't know if you heard, but Hillary started using Obama lines today. She said to a crowd, "My opponent says 'no you can't,' but I say 'Yes we can!'"

Surprised she didn't get laughed off the stage.

This is worse than when she tried to use a southern accent when she was addressing Martin Luther King's Church in Atlanta.

What goes on in her brain? She actually thinks people will hear her use this line and not think she's ripping off Obama?

Shows a serious lack of creativity, if you ask me.

Oh well. Even Mitt Romney started calling himself The Change Candidate.

What a bunch of losers these people are.

I have been a straight party voter for the Democratic party my entire life. I do not see that changing anytime in the foreseeable future, but I will tell you one thing.

If either candidate wins by virtue of Superdelegate advantage when the pledged delegates point in the other direction, I will be leaving that portion of my ballot blank or voting for Nader. No I will not vote for the Republican candidate ever ever, but superdelegates are some serious bullshit, and if someone uses that advantage, that candidate would never get my support.

I know I'm not the only one.

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Junionman

It is not that people who say they will vote for McCain should Sen. Clinton get the nomination can only support one candidate. It is that there is one candidate they cannot support. I personally will likely hold my nose and vote for her based solely on my concern for the Supreme Court. I would be conflicted about it though, and can understand why some one could not do so.

I am not some irrational Hillary hater who thinks that she killed Vince Foster or some other conspiracy BS. I think she lacks the courage of her convictions and will not stand up and make the unpopular choice. She believes that a politician must respond to popular opinion. Sen. Obama thinks that a leader molds popular opinion.

She would never win over anyone who was not with her from the start because she thinks you defeat enemies in politics. He would because he believes you convince enough of those who disagree with you through reasoned argument to win without being combative. Sen. Clinton has never learned that you attract more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.

My heart is where I grew up in Texas, but my hiny is in Ohio right now. It makes for interesting insomnia.

I suspect Ohio and Texas will both be more interesting than people can guess if they've never lived there. Texas latinos are as different a culture from California latinos as Texans are from Californians. We are an ornery lot no matter what the percentage of melanin. Given the choice between a triangulating, establishment, wealthy candidate and a bootstraps story, our hearts will go with the boots.

As for Ohio, the candidates are gearing up right now and I've noticed a huge difference in the energy levels and commitment. In the south at least the bumper stickers I've seen are running about 15 to 0 for Obama and the signs are starting to sprout.

"As for Ohio, the candidates are gearing up right now and I've noticed a huge difference in the energy levels and commitment. In the south at least the bumper stickers I've seen are running about 15 to 0 for Obama and the signs are starting to sprout."


Well not going to easy then for Obama then. I hope that you see some Obama signs soon to.

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I know it isn't quite the same, but I can't help thinking that Hillary's Feb strategy sounds an awful lot like Rudy's Florida's strategy. With a bunch of wins and then 2 weeks to campaign, Obama can make a lot of headway.

WI should be close and they should split the delegates and ME is a toss-up but he should win the rest by at least 10pts possibly more. WA, NE, MD, DC, VA, HI all favor Obama.

He then has 2 weeks to campaign in OH, TX. If he takes one of those, I think Hillary is toast.
He has a month to campaign in PA and except for KY & WV, the rest are the kind of states that favor Obama and lots of time to campaign, even in KY & WV.

Also, I don't really agree that so far are 'trading' victories. Either Obama wins big or he pulls her to a draw. Even when she 'won', he got equal (or more) delegates. If he can continue this pattern, she is in real trouble I think.

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Does anyone know when the polls close on these primaries and caucuses?

I am just astounded by the Naivity of those who believe that Obama even would have even the slightest chance of beating McCain and the whole money machine that put GW in office for 2 terms, put together with Swift Boat veterans commercials that decimated Kerry, etc?

All they have to do is play the terror card (which they have done so well) and dig up a little dirt about this man (with a gift for inspiring speeches and motivating the young) but about whom frightening little is known.

This man is the Republicans' DREAM candidate. Why on earth do you believe he has been raised to raise so many millions of dollars so quickly?

What's the matter they don't have the kool-aid in France?

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Given the proportional -as opposed to winner take all- system , winning a state per se is nearly irrelevant. Which the commentariat certainly didn't understand in advance of super Tuesday
and which still seems to be an elusive concept.

Not only didn't e.g. HRC's 52% of California give her the entire 400+ delegates, there's an addtioinal refinement which further over weights in favor of the loser the delegate apportionment..

At least in the middle atlantic state- and I think something like this is generally true- if e.g. a district has 4 delegates and the vote is 60/40 , the candidates get 2 each. So the winner hs nothing to show for the win.

Assuming this does apply elsewhere neither candidate is going to open up a decisive lead in the remaining primaries.

As to seating Michigan and Florida, irrespective of what the DNC might want, each convention makes its own rules. If , say , HRC finished the primaries with an overall majority she wouldn't need those states. Conversely if she didn't have one , in theory she couldn't arrange to have them seated.

Unless that were steamrollered through by the super delegates .In which case I could imagine a 1968 outcome - a revolt by disgruntled Obama voters which would elect McCain......unless Obama becomes the VP candidate.Which I suspect the supers would demand as their condition. .

Dean's comment about seeking another solution
could mean arranging caucuses in Michigan and Florida ,say in May. Even assuming HRC repeated her uncontested wins , the proportional system
would depress her net gain . Still that might be enough to give her a sufficient plurality so that the superdelegates would have cover for providing her the winning margin .If so,once again I think they'd condition that on both candidates agreeing that Obama would be the VP nominee.


Suits me.

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Well, in Maine we're projected for lots of snow before and during our caucus tomorrow afternoon. Hubby and I will get there in our 4-wheel drive. We're wondering if we'll be able to carry our small town with 100% for Obama!

It would be good if Barack could show that he can win in some of the upcoming traditional blue states that a general election democratic candidate has to have in order to win in November. So far, it's been Hillary who has been stronger there and she is on track with the traditional strategy:
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/07/just_do_the_math/index.php

For the future, we can be very encouraged by the inroads Barack has been making in the red states he has been picking up. But those states will be lost anyway for the winner-take-all Electoral College this time around. Maybe in 2012 or 2016?

Oh, and anyone who refuses to vote for Hillary in the general should be shot.

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There is zero chance Obama won't win Blue states in November. But there's a pretty good chance he'll do better in purple states.

Btw, I'm not going to vote for Hillary in November if she's the nominee, so deal with it.

The "inroads Barack has been making in red states" are vapors. In a GE, no democrat will win Utah, Idaho, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Kansas, Alaska (check out repub vs. dem vote in that primary!),the Dakotas. The failure to understand how the U. S. electoral map works seems to be prerequisite to be an Obama supporter. I am not sure that Barack can beat McCain-Arnold in California. Shriver's endorsement will not help in that scenario--Obama will lose the tacit sexist vote he has been relying on.

Loyal TPM readers: Can someone shed some light on the exact delegate count at the moment on the Dem side? The RCP site has it at 875 for Obama to 865 for Clinton in pledged delegates.....The Obama website has it at 910 for Obama and 882 for Clinton (interesting, the results don't appear on HRC's site).....Of course the two huge outstanding issues are the Superdelegates (I think there are 793 of them, of which at least 500+ are undecided!!) and the unseated delegates in Fla and Mich (another 300+ delegates, if they ever get seated, and according to what formula???)....The Supers will be enough to swing the nomination either way, no matter what happens between now and the end of the Primaries. Clearly, for Obama to win, he must go in to the convention significantly ahead in pledged delegates (enough to overcome HRC's advantage including Superdelegates). If Obama's total delegate count (including Supers) is ahead of Hillary going in to the Convention, I beleive it will be impossible for her to emerge with the nomination untainted. If there are back room deals struck to give it to her, the party will experience a horrible backlash that will undoubtedly deliver the Presidency to McCain. Each contest is critical in picking up delegates, and I am watching with a calculator close at hand!

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Hillary doesn't necessarily have a superdelegate advantage. Superdelegates are free to switch their allegiance any time they like, and if Obama is looking like the stronger candidate going into the convention (and the trends are definitely in his favor) the superdelegates will go to Obama. There is a strong will to win within the Democratic Party, and we have a very good chance of putting a Democrat in the White House this time. Party insiders will set personal loyalties aside and do what's best for the party if it comes down to it. Let's hope it doesn't, though. If we're still looking for a nominee at the end of August, John McCain will be in very good shape indeed.

Josh,

Some comments after returning from our caucus in Nebraska Legislative District 18.

The turnout was huge. Caucus started and finished about an hour late due to the unexpected, massive flow of people moving through the system.

My estimate of the vote is 80-20 (at least) in favor of Sen. Obama.

Huge African-American turnout. Our district is predominantly white (as you would expect), but I estimate the crowd at 30-35% African-American. Very few middle-aged white males. Very interesting.

Demographics for Obama were close to what we’ve seen nationally. However, a very small presence of young people (under 30).

Demographics for Hillary were interesting. I estimate 85+% of her supporters over 55, 90+% women, 0 (that’s right, none) African-Americans.

I live 1 block from the polling place, in an upper middle class neighborhood (6 figure incomes mostly). Out of the 2000+ attendees, I saw one person that I knew – a teacher. This was of interest because I have been very involved with my children’s schools. I know many people in the area from coaching their kids in sports. Our house is where all the kids play. While I knew that the great preponderance of people in our neighborhood were Republicans, it was disappointing that I didn’t see more of my neighbors.

There was real excitement in the room. Very friendly atmosphere. People are engaged and eager to talk.

Don’t really have a delta as to how big the turnout was in comparison to previous years (this is Nebraska’s first caucus year), but, clearly, whomever in the party was estimating turnout was not expecting the volume that we had.

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Don't forget, however, that Obama won 13 delegates in Nevada to Hillary's 12. The Obama campaign's strategy is to win the most delegates even if they end up losing the state. So far, their strategy has been working very well for them.

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