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SurveyUSA: Obama Up By 4 Points In Texas
A new SurveyUSA poll in Texas gives Barack Obama a narrow lead, in line with a CNN poll released earlier today. Here are the numbers, compared to the previous SUSA poll from last week:
Obama 49% (+4)
Clinton 45% (-5)
Key internal statistic: A week ago, Hillary led among women by 27 points — but now only leads by 11.
The margin of error is ±3.8%, so this is still technically a dead heat. Nevertheless, it's good news for Obama and bad news for Hillary.
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Okay, it's over. Enough bickering and arguing and petty attacks. Let's bring it together and start on McCain.
February 25, 2008 11:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
The race really is over. The only question is whether Hillary will withdraw with her dignity intact. Thursday night I would have said yes, and I would have been wrong.
February 25, 2008 11:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
According to the poll, they said that 25% of respondents already voted and that went 51% to 46% for Clinton.
Does that make any sense?
That doesn't seem to fit with any of the other numbers and the massive increase in early voting.
February 25, 2008 11:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Burnt Orange Report is reporting that 360,000 Democrats have already voted. Not sure where they're getting the +5 for Clinton from, as it would seem to run in the face of the plotting-by-county going around recently, also via BOR.
February 25, 2008 11:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I agree, that doesn't seem to make much sense. Early voting started the night Obama won Wisconsin, arguably at the height of his positive wave. I can't imagine Obama losing the early vote.
February 25, 2008 11:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Rural Votes thread on this has some pretty good explanations for the discrepancy. They also argue that Clinton only being +5 in the early voting so far is evidence of an Obama surge. Clinton should be way ahead.
February 26, 2008 12:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
"so this is still technically a dead heat. Nevertheless, it's good news for Obama and bad news for Hillary."
How magnanimous of you, Eric.
LOL!
February 25, 2008 11:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Clinton's need to stay long enough to raise enough money to cover their debt. That's all there is left to it.
February 25, 2008 11:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think that's what all of their historonics over the last days have been about. Convincing enough of their supporters that they are still in this thing so that they will be wiiling to put in enough money to retire their campaign debt.
Maybe they could approach Obama for a loan in exchange for their endorsement (and delegates). It's a thought.
February 25, 2008 11:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not a lawyer, but that sounds illegal.
February 26, 2008 4:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton has a lot of money in her general election fund. Is she not allowed to use that to pay back debts if she withdraws?
February 25, 2008 11:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
That link is overrun at the moment. So, you can also find information here:
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/politics&id=5981432
Rural Votes has the skinny as well:
http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=773
Also, interestingly, 360,000 Democrats have already voted in Texas.
http://www.burntorangereport.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=5152
February 25, 2008 11:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
"The margin of error is ±3.8%, so this is still technically a dead heat. Nevertheless, it's good news for Obama and bad news for Hillary."
being almost within the margin of error is EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!
February 25, 2008 11:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL
February 25, 2008 11:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
idiotic for VP
February 26, 2008 12:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks, I've been waiting for your post!
February 26, 2008 2:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
For one last time, Texas doesn't count, per Bill Clinton. Markos says it all:
Clinton:
I’d love to carry Texas, but it’s usually not in the electoral calculation for the Democratic nominee. Florida and Michigan are.
Of all the Clinton mistakes this cycle (and both sides have had plenty of them), this is the one that rankles the most. And really, it's been such a stupid and counterproductive narrative that I can't, for the life of me, fathom why they persist in using it.
Like every other state, Texas will feature more than just the presidential contest. As Texas political expert Paul Burka writes after analyzing the astonishing early turnout numbers (follow the link, you won't be disappointed):
These numbers have made me a believer. Rick Noriega could defeat John Cornyn. The Democrats can win a majority in the Texas House of Representatives. The consummate irony is that George W. Bush, who made Texas a Republican state on his way in to the presidency, may make it a Democratic state on his way out.
Sure, but only because we are likely to have a nominee that sees the value in building a 50-state party, rather than Clinton's repeated efforts to denigrate and minimize 2/3rds of the country.
With a Clinton nomination, Texas doesn't matter because it's not in her "electoral calculation". No one is suggesting Obama could win Texas, but his ground game plus the excitement he's generating across party lines could very well mean the difference between Sen. John Cornyn and Sen. Rick Noriega in 2009.
February 25, 2008 11:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's not over until a candidate secures 50% + 1. That will take a while, even with superdelegates. I hope both candidates (and their supporters) are able to stay positive, avoid mudslinging and rise above the bitterness. Let's not feed the Republican slime machine!
I voted Obama and I'm pleased with the trend. But never count out a Clinton and never celebrate a victory until it is secured.
February 25, 2008 11:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
LA, LA, LA, LA! I can't hear you!!
Texas doesn't count...
Texas doesn't count...
Texas doesn't count...
February 25, 2008 11:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
So she needs to turn this thing around by 24 points by next Tuesday. That's a tall order.
February 25, 2008 11:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please, please, please -- learn something about statistics. Just because the difference between the candidates is within the margin of error doesn't mean it's "statistically a dead heat." Sure, it means that it's possible the race is actually tied, or that Clinton is ahead. But the probability of that is LESS than the probability that Obama is ahead. In fact, the odds that Obama has an even bigger lead than the poll shows are greater than the odds that they're tied or Clinton is ahead.
Margin of error or not, a poll showing one candidate up four points is NOT the same as one showing the same candidate down four points.
February 25, 2008 11:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
of course that depends on which candidate you support...just sayin'!
February 26, 2008 12:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
And thank you Fred App. The "statistical tie" nonsense drives me bonkers.
February 25, 2008 11:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Another interesting point that Kos makes is that it's good for Hillary not to drop out because it forces Obama to put his ground machine through a test run in all these states, which will pay off in November.
It's not so much whether Obama wins Texas in the general, but that he comes close enough to help other democratic candidates in closer races.
February 26, 2008 12:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
On the other hand, it would be nice to see how much, if any, the overwhelming turnout numbers would go down once we are down to a single candidate. I assume they would drop but would they go back to 2004 levels?
February 26, 2008 8:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama polls far below his actual vote total.
I would wager he wins Texas by 8-10 points,at this point.
And i see him winning Ohio by 3-5.
Partly because I believe Edwards will endorse Obama in Ohio shortly after the debate.
February 26, 2008 12:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton staying in to force Obama to practice his ground operation is fine, if she doesn't get so negative that she hurts him in the general - which is the direction she's going.
February 26, 2008 12:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
How many times have we seen this happen? "He may have had some good victories, but she'll finish him on Super Tuesday." "He might win a bunch in a row, but then comes Wisconsin!" and now "11 in a row might sound bad, but those are small states, and here come the large states of Texas and Ohio where she has double digit leads!" And now this is happening. With Super Tuesday, and to a lesser extent, Wisconsin, by the time they rolled around people had forgoten how much Obama was down by just a couple weeks earlier. 2/5 was a huge victory for Obama in that not only did he not get creamed, as most polls 2 weeks earlier would suggest, but he actually ended up winning more delegates. Had that same thing happened just 10 days earlier, it would have been a much different storyline. The main difference here is, most people now have the idea (which has been repeated by some Clinton surrogates) that she needs to win in both states to stay in this. Hopefully people remember that when he wins Texas by 10 points next week.
February 26, 2008 12:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
I can tell you that the Dem pols down here in Texas are salivating over the primary voting lists that are being generated because of this race. That would not be happening if it weren't for Obama. I imagine the same thing is happening down the line.
February 26, 2008 12:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
The slight lead Clinton has in early voters makes sense since Clinton was leading until now. With a week to go though, it should come out about even.
No, Hillary can't use the general election fund for anything but the GE. She needs to return the money if she doesn't win the nomination. Although, money would explain her recent outbursts. If donors thought she was conceding a bit at the end of last week's debate - funds might dry up.
McCain is getting a lot of bad press but no one is paying attention because the Dem race is still going on. If the Dem race goes on too long the window of opportunity may be gone.
February 26, 2008 12:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're all forgetting about the massive number of Clinton voters who can't be bothered to actually vote.
Thank God the superdelegates are there to represent these forgotten people.
February 26, 2008 1:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
If Hillary loses here, it will be because of Texas' large Black population voting 90% :rollseyes:
February 26, 2008 6:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
what's that burning smell???? ... ahhh, it's Hillary's toast
February 26, 2008 8:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary is a bit screwed on Texas, and in general.
http://thepersonalispolitical.tumblr.com/post/27343455
February 26, 2008 12:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
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February 26, 2008 4:33 PM | Reply | Permalink