same info posted twice in 90 minutes.

couldn't you just update the old one?

unless that was technically impossible, the situation raises questions about an agenda.

I don't think it's an agenda so much as Greg trying to publicize his breaking of this story. That also explains why he's hyping it as something bigger than it really is.

I guess this is so much needed good news for Clinton.

Yeah, wow. An endorsement from one of the Keating Five. I'm sure that will boost Hillary's stature.

One less thing she could slam McCain with in the general. How can you criticize someone for being involved in a scandal that one of your supporters was in himself?

Runchadrun is correct.

Glenn was a Mercury astronaut, not an Apollo astronaut. John Glenn was the first American to orbit the earth in capsule Friendship 7. Alan Shepherd was the first American "in space" in a sub-orbital flight in capsule Freedom 7.

Frank Borman, James Lovell and William Anders were the first men to orbit the Moon in Apollo 8.

The fact that these facts have been forgetten shows that the Glenn endorsment isn't a big deal. It means something to a very narrow demographic, a demographic already firmly in Clinton's camp.

John Glenn as a ‘BIG’ endorsement?
You’re kidding, right?

Not to be disrespectful, but I’m 49, and
I didn’t even know he was still alive.

I find it hard to believe that anyone who
wasn’t already voting for HRC would be
affected by Senator Glenn’s decision.

lol...shes definitely going to win now!

Unfortunately for Hillary, in the short term this endorsement will have a brief shelf life since tomorrow's coverage will be consumed with the returns coming in from the Potomac. The pundit class will then spend the rest of the week talking about an 8 contest sweep by Obama. I'm not versed in the dynamics of Ohio politics but at first glance I don't see how this will substantially change that contest.

CT Voter - I grow on people. You're OK too!

Sen. Glenn did great things for Ohio. This is not one of them. I wonder if she has Howard Metzenbaum and Chalmers P. Wylie on board yet? Or any other dinosaurs of ohio politics? She will not get former Gov. Dick Celeste or his brother (and friend of mine), Ted. Ted was recently elected to the Ohio State House and is an Obama supporter.

And yes, I will vote for whomever is the Dem nominee in Nov. McCain is more bush/cheney.

By the way I looked at Clinton News Network's "political ticker" the dumbest idea since the invention of CNN itself.

They usually post even if a street dog wags the tail for Clintons.But on this nothing.

However, big news in Gore. He is not going to endorse any body- Clintons would take ahuge sigh. That no-news is much much bigger news for the Billary camp.

Old people love Hillary!

Right ...

"Of course, it's unclear whether endorsements can change the trajectory of the race this late in the game"

Yes you must be right they (endorsements) don't matter ...

FYI - Edwards endorsement for Hillary is coming

Bill Kristol even endorsed Obama today - I wonder who he's rooting for?

Whatever Obamaniacs ...

Yeah, that's too bad for the Obama campaign. I don't know how much pull Glenn has in OH, but from where I sit he's one of our certifiable space heroes.

Ah well. We've still got the Big Mo. I just wish everyone would stop talking about the Chesapeake primaries as a done deal. It makes me nervous and reminds me of NH.

I suspect part of the strategy to counteract this string of losses is to get some endorsements out in the Press. The only one that comes with significant delegates is Edwards.

For Ohio, though, the Mayors are going to have the most impact on the ground, aren't they? Those are the guys who can get out the vote.

Well, the big thing is that it gets her one, maybe two days worth of news in Ohio, which, in her situation, is nothing to sneeze at.
The problem is, they keep going for the Big Media Win, whereas Obama keeps his head down, and focuses on the ground game, using his rallies to boost media attention. It's clear from the MSNBC debacle, however, that they can only play that card so many times.

I have always thought I would be happy with whichever candidate won the primaries but more and more if there is some flaw in Obama that draws the type of posters on all of these sites. Why on earth would you denigrate John Glenn or any other person because they decided to back someone else? Are you that insecure? Have any on you come close to his achievements? I doubt any of you are in the same ballpark, the same city or even the same continent when it comes to stacking your lifetime accomplishments next to his.

Nice picture of her, for once.

Melvo and Angry Mouse, if you want to see unrepentant nastiness, go check out the threads about the Kennedy endorsements. This is one of those tit for tat deals.

I, for one, am broken hearted about it because I really wanted to be an astronaut when I was a kid. On the other hand, now I'm an Ohio voter and I'm going to get to vote for Obama instead. Not quite the same thing, but still a lot of fun.

You are right about the endorsement though.

The Kennedy/Kerry endorsement of Obama did jack squat in Mass. I expect Glenn's will do the same in Ohio

One wonders why these guys even bother? They end up being embarrassed, or they should be.

What is wrong with saying, "I think it is important that the voters decide this race, so I will stand down until after the primary is over, and then enthusiastically support the candidate that the voters have chosen."

Too much ego involved, I guess.

S Green,

nice rant... there's probably a job waiting for you at MSNBC...

John Glenn is a good man, but part of the old guard here in Ohio. Anyone who would be impressed by his endorsement is already voting for Hillary.

Senator John Glenn was involved with John McCain in the Keating 5 scandal back in the 80's. Does this raise any eyebrows, or an I just being suspicious?

Both McCain and Glenn came out of the Keating thing relatively unscathed.

I wish people would be a little practical here:

a) Ted Kennedy is a sitting Senator, Glenn is in retirement.

b) This is HRC's grab at the JFK legacy. True, Glenn is a politician, but the visuals of that magic moon-time will by the real HRC value: tap into the magic and myth of JFK and the New Frontier. It will make for a great 30 second spot.

c) As I said on the other thread and people have noted here, the problem is that Glenn's 1st flight was over 40 years ago and for the voters that Mercury means something, well, they were probably going for HRC anyway (e.g. they are over 55 years old). Glenn's second flight was a political stunt -- an unfortunate marriage between Glenn's ambition (and Senatorial influence) and NASA wanting a media sound bite.

Wasn't Glenn another one of the Keating Five, along with our old friend John McCain? Just more corruption...

Did Glenn ever pay off his campaign debt? Seemed to owe that thing forever.

Guess this seals the over 85 vote for HRC.

I could never vote for Mrs. Bill Clinton to be president of the United States under any circumstance.

Long before Obama emerged as an electrifying candidate, Mrs. Clinton showed ack of the integrity, good judgment, and capacity to unit the nation that I believe is essential for a president in this challenging times.

I also find the prospect of more Bush-Clinton-Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton to be unhealthy for our democracy. This nation does not need to depend on two families for its leadership, particularly two untrustworthy families.

My thoughts, my vote. You have yours.

Lectric Lady: I don't think Kerry vote brought anything. He has no politcal capital left in him- if anything he is a negative. I'd strongly encourage Obama camp to keep him away from cameras.

But I do think Kennedy endorsement was a huge deal. While the MA women went to the booth angry- he stepped in at the right time. He stepped at the moment when Clintons were branding him as "Black" candidate and were forcing him to wrestle in the mud. Barack was about to lose some of his most cherished capital- a leader above politics.

Then came Kennedy Daughter endoresed via New York Times and then Ted Kennedy stepped in and kept him above the fray. He rescued Obama- the brand- nationwide.

Also, he helped him with Old folks in Maine and latino voters in NM.

kensdad,
I admit I have my biases, and I apologize for not being the kind of fair-minded person you were looking for. Except in the last part ( and Carl-Rovian politics is "self-destruction," which will happen if she returns to the bitter attacking mood like once when she evoked "slumlord" in one of the debates. One thing admirable about Hillary is she could fight Carl Rove machine better than Kerry and Gore did, but after the nominee is finalized, we are not going to play the game by his rules this time because it is not going to work any more except to the ears of Limbaugh and Coulter and the like), every thing said is said by Hillary in different phraseology. I simply responded to what Hillary said at General Motors facility, White Marsh, MD, in the aftermath of the weekend losses and campaign staff reshuffling:
Glenn Thrush of Newsday got the last question, and it was a rough one. "It's not just the string of losses that you've had, it's the magnitude," he said. "You got your doors blown off. . . . Does it surprise you that you've lost these states by as much as you have?"

"No," the candidate answered. "These are caucus states. They are primarily dominated by activists. They don't represent the electorate." She also attributed her poor results in Louisiana to "a very strong and very proud African American electorate." Blaming the voters is rarely good politics. (Source: Dana Milbank, WP).

This just in!!!! Wilford Brimley has switched his support from John McCain to Hillary!!!! Woo-hooo!

He's a pretty good symbolic endorsement to solidify the over 60 crowd, but he's nowhere close to being key.

Hillary's key endorsement in Ohio was and remains Ted Strickland. Number one, he's a super delegate. Number two, he has an active policitical machine within the state of Ohio which can lend support to Hillary, and number three he's got a line into most suepr delegates and other politicos with actie political machines who can help Hillary.

Hillary could never do any better than Ted Strickland as a key endorsement in Ohio. But Glenn gives her a headline during a tough period. The biggest problem is, she cannot produce a Glenn endorsement each week between now and the primary.

...SPACE DUDE ENDORSED HILL...
SPACE DUDE...I AM RECEIVING YOU.
MUST VOTE HILLARY.
MUST VOTE HILLARY.
MUST VOTE HILLARY.

Earlier I posted about the Keating Five. I want to be clear, Keating Five is a fact and both Glenn and McCain were implicated. To me this fact discredits him.

I see no justification for all this ageism or disrespect for Glenn. I do disagree with him. Clinton is DLC and DLC is an attempt to steal the Democratic party for Republican ends.

I'd like to go to the moon. Sadly, most liberals don't have to guts to consider going to the moon, let alone funding others to go to the moon. It takes a strong and determined character to go to the moon, and these are qualities that President Bush has in spades.

President Bush has so much strength and determination that he's pushing for NASA to go to Mars! Heh. Most liberals don't have the strength or determination to go to Starbucks in the morning.

After Hillary lost the Cleveland Plain Dealer's endorsement to Obama, the Glenn endorsement will be a definite positive in the state (I grew up in Cleveland and lived in Cincinnati for 10 years). It's actually a good thing that Glenn is so old (86), because when Ohioans learn that he's still alive, his status as living legend will outdazzle Obama's annointment as adopted heir to Camelot. Glenn is a symbolic bookend endorsement to the popular Gov. Ted Strickland: oldschool and new. Plus, Glenn fits perfectly into the theme of "experience matters." That little subliminal reminder will resonate well with rural and middle-aged voters as well as long-time residents.

The blue collar vote and African American vote might ultimately cancel each other out, but the large university populations might tip OH in Obama's favor. However, Ohio has been through a lot since the 2004 election, and chagrined Democrats may gravitate in droves toward Hillary's "Ready on Day One" incantation. Ohio will be a true test of Obama's momentum.

JOHN GLENN!?! WHOA!!!! Hillary's on her way to the Oval Office for sure! Ain't no stoppin' her now! WOW! JOHN GLENN!! That's just (yawn) amazing.

Master Adolf:

I don't see the endorsement of Senator Glenn meaning that much. What is more meaningful to me is that your reference to Senator Glenn's geriatric status suggests to me that, assuming that you are a supporter of Senator Obama, you are not only rude but you have nary a clue about what his message is supposed to be about.

Moreover, the endorsement's significance or lack thereof aside, do you have any idea who Senator Glenn is and what he represented when JFK, whose legacy is discussed side by side with Senator Obama's campaign, was president? Apparently not. Master Adolf, when some of us were young and inspired by JFK, John Glenn embodied what JFK spoke about; he was a tangible example of JFK's quest for the moon and beyond. John Glenn was and is an American hero. You, sir, are simply rude.

And, finally, so there is no ambiguity, you sir with your snide reference to the age of Senator Glenn betray that you are yet another Obama "supporter" who has no idea what his message is all about. In short, you sir, are a divider and not a uniter.

The fact that people are defending John Glenn and calling him an American hero proves his endorsement means something.

Ha ha ha. So bring on the next endorsement for us to analyze . . .