Report: Obama Campaign Official Secretly Reassured Canada On NAFTA
A new report from Canada's CTV says that according to Canadian government sources, a senior official from the Obama campaign secretly assured a Canadian official not to take Obama's talk about threatening to pull out of NAFTA too seriously, noting that it was just "campaign rhetoric":
Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs did not strictly deny the allegations, only saying that it sounded implausible to him. "Senator Obama does not make promises he doesn't intend to keep," Gibbs added. Clinton campaign officials strongly denied similar allegations.
If this report catches on, it has the potential undermine Obama's outreach to working-class whites in Ohio, many of whom still resent the Clinton Administration's passage of the free trade deal back in the 90s. It could also take the steam out of the Obama campaign's claims that Hillary favored NAFTA, something she denies.
Late Update: The Obama camp is calling the story "inaccurate."















Well thank God that you tracked this down Eric, Thank God. Maybe this will undermine obama's appeal to voters of all types and vault the clintons over the top for the dem party nomination. Good Job.
February 28, 2008 10:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
The source's unnamed, and it ALSO mentions that the Clinton campaign did the same thing. It's ridiculous to take this story seriously.
February 28, 2008 10:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
So if similar stories are told about both Clinton and Obama, why should the stories against Obama get more traction? It seems to me that since Clinton needs the votes more and she has a longer history with NAFTA, that if anything the stories about Clinton should get more traction.
February 28, 2008 10:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Because, silly, OBAMA didn't Announce and Confect it -- er, I mean PROnounce and OBJECT it
or, er... WHATEVER (like that Russian guy)
February 28, 2008 10:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Man bites dog vs. dog bites man. You expect this from the Clinton campaign.
February 28, 2008 10:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, gee, I don't know. Maybe it's because Obama's "changing the way Washington works"? I don't know. It's what he said. We need to change the politics as usual. Maybe that's why his politics, when similar to Clinton's, needs to be scrutinized.
February 28, 2008 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
by the way, Michael Wilson is a Stephen Harper appointee and is a supporter of the Iraq occupation.
February 28, 2008 10:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
this is non-sense
do you really imagine presidential campaigns having relationships to foreign officials? they are like full-fledged countries or something?
"Hi, this is Mike, Obama's ambassador to your country, is the king there?"
February 28, 2008 10:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
This sounds like bullshit to me. You really need better sourcing, or you need to pull this. Both the main site and EC have this as their featured post.
But, Eric and Josh, if you can defend this post by showing that you have posted anything negative towards Clinton that is as weakly sourced. Otherwise, once again, your objectivity is fairly questioned.
February 28, 2008 10:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I'm a strong Obama supporter, but I have to remind you about TPM publishing Drudge Report story including the allegations that it came from the Hillary camp - that seemed pretty anti-Clinton to me. Let's be fair, OK?
February 28, 2008 10:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Drudge photo story, while attributed to the Clinton camp was potentially much more damaging to Obama's campaign, especially in the Texas primary. While poorly sourced, the target wasn't the Clinton campaign per-say, but to halt growing support for Obama in the southwest.
This story takes unsourced allegations that are being generated about both campaigns, and focusing on Obama (with a "strong denial" from the Clinton camp thrown in to boot). It seems designed to reversing Cliton's eroding support by putting the breaks on Obama again with these diffuse allegations.
This is the way politics is, and this is also the only options available to Hillary at this point, so I'm not going to go into a diatribe about fairness. But I do expect solid standards from the sources that claim to be reporting on "news", to include reputable blogs such as TPM. I like this site, and I feel that Josh and the rest here sometimes come under undue fire, these latest stories have been sub-par. If TPM feel they need to report stuff like this, they should take the effort to bring an objective and factual light to the story. This report is basically carrying water for whomever released it, and I'll give you one guess as to whom it benefits most.
All I ask is to do better. It's the reason I don't watch network news.
February 28, 2008 10:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
First it was a matter of weak sourcing, now it's a matter of weak sourcing PLUS potential impact. Moving the goal posts seems VERY Washington pollitics as usual.
February 28, 2008 12:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
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February 28, 2008 6:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
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February 28, 2008 6:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
This does go beyond the issue of NAFTA and into that of credibility. The Obama campaign needs to offer the same blanket immunity for the Canadian government to reveal the alleged Obama official. Simply stating that this is unlikely seems insufficient to me.
February 28, 2008 10:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Michael Wilson, the Canadian Ambassador to the US, is a Stephen Harper appointee, and is a strong supporter of the Iraq occupation. He's basically a Canadian Republican.
February 28, 2008 10:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed, and the story may be false, but it needs to be discredited. The Obama camp must do more than assert its official position on NAFTA. Obama has been accused by Canadian government officials and the press of lying to the voters and this must be addressed.
February 28, 2008 10:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
And I'll bet he's a closet Clintonista, right?
February 28, 2008 12:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm confused by your call for "blanket immunity". Immunity from what action and by what authority?
February 28, 2008 11:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're correct, it's a poor choice of words which I've borrowed from Hillary's camp statement. I meant, however, that the Obama camp should state that any talks were not private and that disclosing the identitiy of the participants is encouraged by the campaign.
February 28, 2008 12:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ah, the media. Willing to pounce on anything for ratings and hype it before any good information comes out.
February 28, 2008 10:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Like anything Clinton over the past 15 years. Welcome to the spotlight dimlight.
February 28, 2008 12:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Neither Clinton nor Obama would ever opt out of NAFTA.
Period.
They Blah Blah Blah about renegotiating but it is only bread and circuses for the primaries. Because both Mexico and Canada know that the US will not repudiate NAFTA then there is no incentive for new meaningful negotiations.
Period.
Clinton and Obama are both LYING.
The same is true of their Health Care "debate".
The reforms they propose will never be enacted and they both know this. They are both LYING.
The most we will get out of either on these two issues will be new study groups and hearings and more Blah Blah Blah.
With the coming rise in entitlement costs for the aging boomers and already massive federal deficits and the Iraq war who seriously believes that the Congress will create yet another entitlement?
Wall Street will never allow it.
February 28, 2008 10:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
In other news, Rasmussen is now saying Obama has a 4-point lead in Texas.
I know, it's Rasmussen, so it's not that reliable, but it's bigger news than the story that is the topic of this article.
February 28, 2008 10:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
About texas, I also heard this morning on the radio that more than 680,000 dems have early voted already. That's more early voting than in a presidential general election they were saying. Wow, Texas could be a huge win for obama.
February 28, 2008 10:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Implausible, indeed! For one thing, why should Obama (or any candidate) care about what "undesignated" Canadian officials think about their position on NAFTA. What's going to matter to Canada is what the newly-elected President DOES once in office. Maybe in mid-Nov. there might be reason to talk to them but it's ridiculous to think any campaign - Obama or Clinton - would go out on a shaky limb like that for no good reason at this point. ---- Sounds like CTV should get together with NY Times for a refresher course on just how responsible journalists go with stories given to them by "unnamed sources" - and in this case it's third hand: from an "unnamed source in the campaign" to an "unnamed Canadian official" to CTV.
February 28, 2008 10:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hmmm, so a "Canadian government source" prefers Hillary to Obama and is willing to either leak, distort or lie about something imparted in confidence to affect a U.S. election.
I think most Canadians would be furious (for Canadians) if it was someone in our government trying to affect one of their elections.
February 28, 2008 10:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
I believe the point here is that the Canadians needn't worry about Obama or anyone pulling out of NAFTA, because it won't come to that. Even if this is accurate, it doesn't imply Obama hasn't meant everything he said about NAFTA, it is only telling the Canadians to calm down about it because we will hit that road when we get to it, and that President Obama will work hard with both Mexico and Canada to fix the treaty.
It is just trying to keep people from being overly excited (like this http://www.nysun.com/article/71983) by Russert's trying to make an issue of killing NAFTA altogether.
February 28, 2008 10:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Excuse me for farting ...
February 28, 2008 12:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wonder if this is like the story about McCain's scheme to opt out of public financing--too far above the national reading level to really catch on.
February 28, 2008 10:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
OBAMA CAMPAIGN STRONGLY REPUDIATES THE REPORT
The campaign just issued a press release:
"The news reports on Obama's position on NAFTA are inaccurate and in no way represent Senator Obama’s consistent position on trade. When Senator Obama says that he will forcefully act to make NAFTA a better deal for American workers, he means it. Both Canada and Mexico should know that, as president, Barack Obama will do what it takes to create and protect American jobs and strengthen the American economy -- that includes amending NAFTA to include labor and environmental standards. We are currently reaching out to the Canadian embassy to correct this inaccuracy," said Obama spokesman Bill Burton.
Please update your story to reflect this.
February 28, 2008 10:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sorry, but where is the part in the "strong denial" where they deny that they told the Canadian government that they were not serious about getting rid of NAFTA? It ain't there.
Weasle words.
February 28, 2008 11:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Don't diminish this. This is big. This hits at the NAFTA issue as well as Obama's overall credibility. The Obama campaign "denial" was not even a denial.
He has been taking a lot of credibility hits lately, but this is one of his central themes in Ohio. And its about a real issue, not just dress-up photos. You should worry about this one.
February 28, 2008 10:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
oh, please, this is a strong repudiation of the report by the Obama campaign:
"The news reports on Obama's position on NAFTA are inaccurate and in no way represent Senator Obama’s consistent position on trade. When Senator Obama says that he will forcefully act to make NAFTA a better deal for American workers, he means it. Both Canada and Mexico should know that, as president, Barack Obama will do what it takes to create and protect American jobs and strengthen the American economy -- that includes amending NAFTA to include labor and environmental standards. We are currently reaching out to the Canadian embassy to correct this inaccuracy," said Obama spokesman Bill Burton.
February 28, 2008 10:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
As an Obama supporter, I strongly disagree.
The word "inaccurate" is extremely weak, and the rest of the language is indirect.
This denial sucks. We're not doing ourselves, Senator Obama, or this election any favors by pretending it doesn't.
February 28, 2008 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is nothing. This is an unsourced, third-hand piece of hearsay that the media is jumping upon to try to make the race more exciting.
February 28, 2008 10:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
If there's one thing I hate, it's probably 'news' stories based entirely on unnamed/anonymous sources.
News organizations should run like courtrooms: give a credible source for displayed evidence, or dismiss it forthwith as hearsay. I'm so tired to seeing "hard-nosed investigative journalism" being reduced to unsourced inuendo and implications, driven by the power of suggestion.
It's tenuous garbage like this that mars our political process.
February 28, 2008 10:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
It is such multiple garbage hearsay that nobody is going to understand it, much less believe it: CTv says that unnamed official says that Obama campaign said.
February 28, 2008 11:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
'But, Eric and Josh, if you can defend this post by showing that you have posted anything negative towards Clinton that is as weakly sourced. Otherwise, once again, your objectivity is fairly questioned.'
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/hillary_spokesperson_blasts_re.php
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/obama_camp_hits_hillary_over_d.php
February 28, 2008 11:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Okay... unless I had wax in my ears and was hallucinating, I have heard and read reports Sen. Obama said two key things:
1. At a factory in Ohio, he was asked about NAFTA and jobs. He said then -- well prior to the Ohio debate -- that repealing NAFTA would be difficult. That jobs lost due to NAFTA may be gone forever. That new trade agreements need to focus on preserving and protecting American jobs.
2. At the debate -- refer to the transcript to fact check, please -- he spoke of amending NAFTA (as did Clinton) and "repeal" was an option -- but that was said only after being pressed by Russert.
Now, I might be breathing fairy dust from all the magic wands waving, and could be blinded by the light of the epiphany shining on me, and maybe couldn't hear clearly because of that really loud celestial choir, but I'm not getting any inconsistency here. NAFTA has been in place for 15 years. I think immediate reversal of this policy may be darn near impossible. But I do think over 12 to 18 months, substantial (and significant -- just in case some may think substantial is not as forceful as significant -- change is achievable.
I'm not getting all worked up over this. But that's just me...
February 28, 2008 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sounds like a non-denial denial. This could be devastating!
February 28, 2008 11:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!
February 28, 2008 11:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Consider the timing. Consider the source. Consider it bullshit!
February 28, 2008 11:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Consider waking up and smelling the coffee ...
February 28, 2008 12:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hypothetically, if the Clinton camp planted this story, they would benefit the most:
-story comes out 5 days before Ohio election
-NAFTA is Hillary's big weak spot
-Clinton administration more likely to have Canada ties
-Clinton's campaign is grounded in "rhetoric vs. solutions"
(what Obama campaigner, or any presidential campaigner would actually say "Don't worry, my candidate is just using campaign rhetoric???)
In the last debate, Hillary made the point with "denounce and reject" that it's important to be resolute about these things. Coincidentally, they deny resolutely and offer "blanket immunity" to person who can reference source on Clinton side.
Stranger things have happened.
Either way, I'd feel more comfortable if Obama came out and said this is absolute nonsense. He can't answer every accusation flung his way, but the issue of NAFTA carries a lot of weight at this time.
February 28, 2008 11:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hmmm... Maybe it's unfair but I can't help but wonder if Bill Clinton's good friend in Canadian government Belinda Stronach is in some way connected to this.
February 28, 2008 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Is it true that McCain is actually a foreigner and not eligible to run for President?
February 28, 2008 11:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
the conservative (Canadian)government of Mr. Harper is probably spreading these false rumors, this has the potential to backfire against the Canadian government if true, on the other hand, it could be another of Drudge's mischief.
February 28, 2008 11:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
There are a lot of hysteria in the response to this report from my fellow Obama supporters. Yes, campaigns do talk to foreign governments, and foreign governments reach out to those campaigns, especially as it becomes more and more likely that the candidate will turn out to be the President the foreign government eventually has to deal with. It's good to begin developing these relations early.
It would be hard to believe that Obama campaign communications with the Canadian government, or Clinton camapign communications with the Canadian government, or McCain campaign communications with the Canadian government have not touched on NAFTA. Of course they have. It's a key US-Canadian issue.
Whether this is a case of a Canadian official misunderstanding Obama's representative, or a case of that representative speaking out of turn, or a case of a politically hostile Canadian official intentionally misrepresenting the representative's words, the upshot is the same: What Obama needs to do is state his position loudly and unequivocally, so both the US public and Canadian government and public understand what it is. That's what he did today.
When Obama is president, these sorts of episodes will be routine parts of the diplomatic game, as they are for any President. There are always going to be cases where a diplomat, taking it upon himself to explain the US government's position, or interpret our domestic politics for his foreign interlocutors, is going to say something that is actually inconsistent with our government's position. You clear it up and move on.
February 28, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know diddly about Canadian news outfits, so does anyone know anything about CTV? The tone of the broadcast sounds awfully like what we hear fron Fox. They come to a pretty concrete conclusion based on some pretty thinly held evidence. Just wondering......
February 28, 2008 11:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ben:
You've made it clear, repeatedly that you are no fan of HRC, but basically you write posts that, I think, are grounded fundamentally with integrity. You've overreached here. The source of this report is not the HRC campaign, or Matt Drudge, or Fox News. To the contrary, it is CTV, Canada's largest private news outlet.
February 28, 2008 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Both Clinton and Obama are full of it. Adding labor and environmental standards will do nothing to improve conditions of American workers. Wages in Mexico are about a dollar/hr and a third of that in China. In fact there was a story yesterday on NPR about plants being moved from Mexico to China because wages are too high in Mexico!
Environmental and labor standards in NAFTA will do nothing to change the fact that labor is 15 to 50 times cheaper in developing countries.
The migration of manufacturing jobs is a part of globalization. Promising to get those jobs back or stop this process is just that: empty promises. I see a two-part solution:
- Investing in innovation and better education to create "new economy" jobs
- Opening foreign markets to services provided by American companies
February 28, 2008 11:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is a Manchurian candidate... for Canada!
February 28, 2008 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
oh great, just what we need, more negative news stories for Obama to destabilize the race. thank you unnamed Canadian officials. we were on our way to getting this nomination settled clearly, and now you may just allow Clinton the justification to stumble on for another 6 ugly weeks of negative campaigning when she squeaks out a win in Ohio.
February 28, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
According to Canadian Embassy to US, neither Obama, Clinton nor McCain has had ANY contact with the Canadian Government in any capacity.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/02/canadian-embass.html
Can we put this to bed now?
February 28, 2008 12:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm starting to see a pattern here. An unnamed conservative source makes an allegation against Obama and Clinton, but mostly Obama, and clinton comes out right on top of the report (almost as if they knew it was coming?..nah) and issues some ultimatum or forceful response and then points out that Obama's response isn't nearly as strong and ultimate. Then Obama comes out with a statement saying it's a patently false allegation and the story goes away - but the damage is done, because nobody ever sticks around long enough to notice the strong denial a day later in the back pages of the paper or on the 22 minute of the news rotation.
They are chipping away at Obama -- and if they had started doing this right after Iowa, it might have worked (for Clinton)- but it's too late now and they've made too many blunders. This strategy might hold Ohio for Clinton, but it's not going to put her over the top.
But from the Republican perspective, this perfect timing, because they do still have enough time between now and November to chip Obama down and they can manufacture non-stories like this until the end of time. It's time to start going after McCain's credibility - show how much he is NOT the Maverick straight talker he claims to be. Only we can do it with McCain's own words, not unnamed sources in the newly elected conservative government of another country quoting an unnamed staffer of the campaign.
February 28, 2008 12:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
What I find really interesting is that when the photo of Obama came out with an unknown source everyone was oh so willing to blame the Clinton campaign. News shows every where reporting as if it was a fact that they had put it out. And it played over and over.
So wheres the network or cable news coverage of this? No where.
Why not? Because god forbid they offend the fake misha and his mindless followers.
I've said it before and I'll say it again,
This guy is really creepy!!!
And Now we Know he is also a two faced liar!
February 28, 2008 12:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's the way to change the politics in Washington ... use the same politics as in Washington, get CAUGHT, and then use the same politics as in Washington, and blame the Clintons. The audacity of me hoping Obama might be different.
February 28, 2008 12:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sure, using Drudge as the source claiming the Obama picture in Kenyan garb was being passed around by Clinton, when the passing around was done BY DRUDGE!
February 28, 2008 12:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
See it was all a LIE. Confirmed by both Canada and Obama.
Now was it Clinton or a Republican that intentionally and unethical started this rumor???
Thanks TPM for being a thoroughly UNRELIABLE SOURCE.
February 28, 2008 1:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL...
This is SOOO Typical of Obama. Now they will spin this and MSNBC will undoubtedly help them spin it.
Keith Oberman will be pulling out his girly pom poms and little cheer leading skirt and do some jumping and twirling for Obama tonight. Heck he might even show some arse.
You'll have to tell me about it tho, cause I quit watching MSNBC some time ago because of their bias coverage. I'll be watching CNN and Fox.
Betcha Lou Dobbs will be on this ... Obama can't spin Lou.
Good reporting!
Rae
February 28, 2008 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow.
Just.
Wow.
What part of EVERYONE claiming this story is false is so hard to get a handle on?
When you grasp at so many straws, it makes it so much harder for NeoCons to drink their Kool Aid.
February 28, 2008 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is the Canadian Embassy, who has called this story inaccurate, also out to get Hillary? Slimy Canucks.
TPM post the Latest Update: We jumped the gun on an inaccurate report. Sorry for our BAD reporting.
February 28, 2008 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
From Taylor Marsh Blog:
"I called CTV to verify the story, especially given the Obama campaign's cries that it's "inaccurate." After asking Greg McIsaac of CTV if they were sticking by their story, he quickly called me back with verification. The facts of our story are accurate."
"Canada has a 'truth in broadcasting' law. this story had to be more than gossip in the beginning or it would have never made it to air."
"As for the ambassador, his name is Michael Wilson and he is DC based as is the reporter who broke the story. Tom Clark, the reporter, is actual CTV's DC bureau chief."
Michael Wilson Has not denied this story.
February 28, 2008 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
You will never convince the Obamamite crowd that their god is anything other than perfect. They are part of the Obama cult. Cultists have to be de-programmed before they can see reality.
I suspect Keith Oberman tonight will be bending over backwards trying to de-bunk this story.
Rae
February 28, 2008 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sure your rite but I still intend to try.
After all if you see a man drowning do you just stand by and watch.
February 28, 2008 4:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
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February 28, 2008 6:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
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February 28, 2008 6:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Carol Soprano= Self loathing female!!!
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February 28, 2008 6:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Carol= Self loathing female!!!
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February 28, 2008 6:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lets not forget that this video also reports the Clinton campaign is also accused of the same thing. And as of now, there is no evidence that neither the Obama camp nor the Clinton camp made these comments.
February 28, 2008 9:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Canada Says TV Story on Obama NAFTA Deception is 'Untrue'
http://www.crosswalk.com/news/11569532/
Personally I think this false story favors John McCain since he favors NAFTA
February 28, 2008 9:54 PM | Reply | Permalink