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Report: Edwards Thinks Hillary Has Courted Him More Effectively
Here's some more detail, courtesy of the Associated Press, on the thinking of John and Elizabeth Edwards about whom -- or whether -- to endorse in the Dem primary:
The couple has been impressed with Clinton, who has more effectively courted them since the 2004 vice presidential nominee dropped out, people who talk to the Edwardses say. Obama has been less attentive, they say, and some of those close to the Edwardses have been annoyed that Obama has continued to ridicule him for once saying his biggest weakness is that he has a powerful response to seeing pain in others.
Mark Halperin says his sources tell him the same.
As I've noted here before, multiple sources close to Edwards have told me (and many others) that he feels closer to Obama on the issues (except for health care) and thinks he represents the possibility of a more fundamental break with the status quo, but has concerns about his toughness and readiness to be president.
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Plus they have a lot in common: they both voted for the iraq war and the bankruptcy bill.
February 18, 2008 9:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Says all there is to say about Edwards, I guess. Big egos need big stroking.
February 18, 2008 9:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Edwards really wants his ass kissed. It is difficult to understand how someone who
1)voted they way he did in the Senate,
2)still supported the war when he ran for VP
3)and then turned around and campaigned on a diametrically opposing platform once the winds had changed,
could have the gall to publicly judge the toughness of others who at the time showed more character.
February 18, 2008 9:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Edwards has a big ego? At least Edwards didn't start campaigning for president after only a year as Senator, and he didn't run his campaign as if he were the second coming of Christ, MLK, & JFK all rolled into one.
February 18, 2008 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Reading between the lines, I will bet a lunch that the clintons have offered edwards a cabinet position to buy his endorsement. And I will bet that obama has refused to make such a commitment. Any takers?
February 18, 2008 9:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'll take that bet. If anything, I bet that Obama has promised the VP slot to Edwards.
February 18, 2008 5:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
"some of those close to the Edwardses have been annoyed that Obama has continued to ridicule him for once saying his biggest weakness is that he has a powerful response to seeing pain in others."
As a former Edwards supporter, I'd be very disappointed if he endorses Clinton and even more so if it's for this silly reason.
February 18, 2008 9:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
How so Edwards. I've watched him for years. He didn't match his talk with his votes when he became our senator. All those Edwards supporters told me, "he's changed! He's for the little people!"
Yeah, right. John Edwards is for... John Edwards, period.
February 18, 2008 9:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
I actually liked John Edwards for awhile. Then I read Feingold's statements about him, and looked into his record. Yeah. Not the crusader for justice and peace he now claims to be. I've thought lately that he and Mitt have quite a number of similar personal attributes. Both are sort of plastic and pampered, and were able and willing to completely manufacture a new identity in their campaign for President. If politics ultimately doesn't work out for them, they should run on a ticket together as President and Vice President of The Association of American Used Car Salesmen.
February 18, 2008 9:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
I've got to take one major exception with your comments. I can see how people might question Edwards integrity because they saw an inconsistency between his campaign rhetoric and his record as a senator, but to claim he's pampered like Mitt Romney is absurd. One was born to economic and political privilege, the other to a poor, rural mill worker.
February 19, 2008 11:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Go ahead John. Endorse Hillary. And watch your credibility go buh-bye.
February 18, 2008 9:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
"More effectively courted" - is it really all about stroking Mr I-feel-pretty's ego? After all Sen. Edwards said about corporate influence, for him to be even THINKING of endorsing Clinton Inc is a sad joke. (DO check what Sen. Feingold, who is neutral in this race, has stated re Edwards: he campaigned against every single one of his own votes in the senate!) He might be willing to expose any thing he ever campaigned on as a total sham in order to get AG (maybe he sold out cheap for Labor), but it might be too late - too late for him as well as Sen. CLinton. And on the substance: A good fighter wins - tossing around harsh words and boxing gloves is not enough....
February 18, 2008 9:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
new poll from ARG shows clinton leading in wisconsin 49 to 43 with 7 undecided ......no mention from MSM ,,,,,if obama was ahead in new poll we woulf be hearing it every half hour
February 18, 2008 9:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
I dont blame BO for not selling his soul for JE endorsement...IMO JE endorsement would have caried way more buzz had he done it before the Potomac Primaries...
JE is seriously overplaying the affect of his endorsement...WHat states would his endorsment help win? NONE! Everyday that passes the JE endorsement looses fizzle!!!
BO has the momentum, the press coverage and the money. He is playing his cards right by being semi interested in JE endorsement...As i see it, JE knows his political career is over and he is looking for a job...BO doesnt need him, he needs BO!
February 18, 2008 9:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Zumper:
Why must everything be a conspiracy? There's been no mention of the ARG poll because they've been consistently wide of the mark this season, they refuse to detail their methodology or release their questions or crosstabs, and they have the worst reputation of any major polling firm in America.
But if you insist of bringing it to our attention, the least you can do is note that the six-point lead in this ARG poll is down from a nine-point last week. So what the poll actually shows is a tight race getting tighter - which, of course, is what every other poll has shown!
I'd submit that they're all wide of the mark, because they haven't adjusted their methodology to account for the fact that Wisconsin uses a single ballot and has no party registration. But even if you think there's some real value in the polling, it's quite reasonable to dismiss ARG as an outlier here.
February 18, 2008 9:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
but if were in obama's favor it would be big news ......if ddd has him leading its big on MSM.... and if you dont think the media is driving his campaign your living on another planet
February 18, 2008 9:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think so, credible sources at this point are loathe to put any stock in either ARG or Zogby for that matter. Even our yammering newscasters get tired of being made to look like fools at some point...
February 18, 2008 4:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
all Edwards would be doing in endorsing Clinton is destroying whatever credibility he has left with voters. by his own words he labeled her "the status quo" and "emblematic of everything that's wrong with Washington"; to endorse her over Obama isn't rationally or even politically savvy. just waiting this long has been politically idiotic and has had a huge effect on his ability to influence the race.
but then again, when you lose as many elections as John Edwards, maybe that speaks to how much political savvy he has.
February 18, 2008 9:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Could anyone take Edwards seriously if, in spite of clearly having more in common both tone and content-wise with Obama, he endorses Clinton because "she courted him more effectively" ?
What kind of credibility would he have ?
February 18, 2008 9:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
but if were in obama's favor it would be big news ......if ddd has him leading its big on MSM.... and if you dont think the media is driving his campaign your living on another planet
February 18, 2008 9:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Zumper,
it's in Obama's interest for that ARG poll not to get out. He doesn't want to raise expectations too high based on a bad poll and then lose, giving Clinton the ability to say it was a huge upset.
February 18, 2008 9:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oops, never mind the above.
I thought you had been talking about the ARG Texas poll showing Obama ahead.
That one didn't get any press either because most in the media know ARG is terrible.
February 18, 2008 10:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
I can't believe his people would let that petty description of his leanings out like that.
Seems odd to say the least. It plays into the $400 haircut vanity issues. Not something that he would want to perpetuate.
February 18, 2008 9:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Golden Boy Obama. He does no wrong ... except that he keeps funding the war, supported the bankruptcy building, and didn't seem to mind disenfranchising Florida and Michigan a year ago, but suddenly has concerns about the "people's right to vote" now that he's in the running. SSDD, "my friends".
February 18, 2008 9:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Cranial Rectal Loopback indeed.
February 18, 2008 9:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
BREAKING NEWS.................OBAMA'S PERFECT
February 18, 2008 9:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
John Edwards is worried that Barack Obama lacks sufficient experience? The entirety of Edwards' career in public service lasted six years. And he's concerned about his toughness? His readiness?
I hate to resort to armchair psychology, but it strikes me that there's more than a little resentment at play here. Edwards spent four years setting himself up as the voice of change, the alternative to Hillary. Then, he woke up one morning and found his role usurped. Obama had stolen the mantle of the challenger, coopted many of his policy positions, and outstripped him as a rhetorician and avatar of hopes and dreams.
The questions he's raising about Barack not only echo the talking points that Hillary and the GOP are distributing - more importantly, they echo the charges leveled against Edwards, both in 2004 and this cycle. He's not tough enough. He's not ready. He's inexperienced.
I can almost see John Edwards lying awake in bed at night, replaying the campaign over and over in his head, and thinking: Why should only I have to answer those questions? How come Obama isn't dismissed as just another pretty face? All charisma, no substance? A johnny-come-lately to the national political scene? Why should he get a free pass? Why him, and not me?
Meanwhile, Hillary and her people are peppering him with calls, flattering his vanity, assuring him that he's a leader of the present and the future. They may even have made promises or intimations of future appointive office. But Barack is sitting confidently on the sidelines, convinced that the increasing inevitability of his own nomination, coupled with the near-congruence of their bases of support and policy positions, will ultimately lead Edwards into his camp. It's nice to be needed. It hardly surprises me that Edwards is feeling the pull toward Hillary.
But, like I said before, I don't think it will ultimately matter. I still think that we're watching Alex Rodriguez negotiate for a contract - discontent with his options, looking for something better, but ultimately stuck with the only choice that he can possibly make. Edwards may dither, he may wait, but ultimately, he'll endorse Obama.
February 18, 2008 9:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe it's Edwards and Obama spinning this into something more significant than it would otherwise seem. It was always a foregone conclusion that he would endorse Obama and now there is serious doubt. Edwards has to be smart enough to know how transparent a Clinton endorsement would appear. I will give him the benefit of the doubt until he actually does something.
February 18, 2008 10:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
As a North Carolinian, I was once extremely impressed by John Edwards. The more I saw, the less I liked. The ideals he campaigned for in 2008 are much better than the actual messenger.
The people who worked for Edwards (to advance those noble ideas) have mostly moved towards Obama. I take more meaning from that than I do the ultimate endorsement of the messenger.
That said, the vanity card could still work in Obama's favor - if Edwards doesn't endorse, maybe he sees himself as a Gore-like "wise party elder" that can help avoid a nasty convention fight. Maybe he even holds onto (delusional) hope that he can be a compromise candidate at the convention.
February 18, 2008 9:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
IF EDWARDS EDORSES EITHER ONE IT DOSNT MEAN HIS DELAGATES WILL GO FOR THE ONE HE ENDORSES ................once he releases them they can vote for whomever they want and who knows who they will vote for
February 18, 2008 10:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
The comments here are filled with praise for Obama's presumed purity for not kissing up to Edwards or making quid pro quo deals to get his endorsement. Guess what? Politics is all about getting things done, not preening in self-satisfaction. People without healthcare don't care what a president has to do to get Congress to pass UNIVERSAL coverage. Does it mean he has to kiss up to people, promise to support their pet projects? You bet. If you think the great Democratic presidents like FDR didn't stroke peoples' egos in order to get things done, you need to open a history book.
This is the problem with many of Obama's followers-- they demonize Hillary Clinton simply for practicing politics. Making a deal with Edwards? Unheard of. She'll do anything to be president!
If Obama didn't have the wind at his back, he'd be knocking on Edward's door too. And there'd be nothing wrong with that.
February 18, 2008 10:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't really have a problem with Hillary making a deal with Edwards for his support. As someone who liked Edwards as a candidate and gave him the benefit of the doubt despite his voting record as a senator, I would have a big problem with him taking that deal.
The way this endorsement situation plays out says more about Edwards than it does about either Obama or Clinton.
February 18, 2008 10:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I'm actually getting pretty tired of Edwards now. This wishywashy going back and forth crap, trying to get everyone to kiss his ass, basically trying to not disappear completely, he is totally doing this as an ego trip. If he gave a shit at all about change vs status quo, or about the issues, he would have endorsed Obama a long time ago. This is a no brainer, his union endorsements have gone to Obama, his superdelegates are going to Obama, and the vast majority of his supporters have gone to Obama, so all we are waiting on here is his ego. I'm also guessing he is weak willed, because he doesn't want to cross the Clintons if they aren't totally out of this, so he probably just wants to see how everything is going to go down before he endorses. And if he does endorse the Clintons, that is going to prove he has been exploiting the change issue this entire campaign just to get ahead, and I will lose all respect for him.
February 18, 2008 10:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Lord have mercy. What a bunch of snarling, yapping poodles you Obama fans are. In a story which merely hints that Edwards might endorse She-Who-Is-Not-Obama, you run around in circles, leaving little piddles of petulance. With apologies to Jesse Jackson, who coined this saying about himself: if Hillary walked on water today, you folks would be screaming tomorrow that Hillary can't swim. Lighten freaking up.
February 18, 2008 10:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for keeping the discourse civil. Your comment is a good counter to all of the Obama supporters who have accused Clinton supporters of being snarling, yapping poodles, leaving piddles of petulance in their wake. Wherefore art thou, irony?
February 18, 2008 10:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well-executed misdirection, preacher boy. Here are just a few of the erudite comments on Senator Edwards made by you and your elk (aren't you tired of "ilk"?):
--selling his soul
--[does not give] a shit
--sold out
--need[s] big stroking
--[accepted a political bribe of a cabinet post]
--political career over
--delusional
--[and here are yours, Bible Thumper]: "plastic...pampered...
Used Car Salesm[a]n"
I rest my rhetoric.
February 18, 2008 10:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Right. Those are comments directed at Edwards. Not at Clinton, not at Clinton supporters. But go ahead, keep calling people who support Obama a bunch of dirty names. Could it be that Hillary has a "ceiling" because those who don't support are called cultists, naive, idiots, etc. I'd love to hear you lay out why Edwards should support Hillary instead of jumping down the necks of Obama supporters.
February 18, 2008 11:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Now, rev, I happen to like poodles, and I have never heard them called "dirty" before. As for snarling, and yapping,now those are criticisms for sure, but again, not dirty. Did "piddle" get to you? Again, a natural biological function, especially for yapping poodles running in circles (ask any poodle owner), and certainly less graphic than the scatalogical terms thrown around by your congregation in the comments above.
Look, my point was you guys get dizzy and silly and mean and stupid when someone criticizes or, God forbid, even fails to support your guy. This is America. Debate is good. Bush is evil. Instead of preaching to the choir, challenge them, educate them, de-vituperate them.
February 18, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good Luck with that.
:D
February 18, 2008 12:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Still waiting for a reason to support Hillary.
February 18, 2008 12:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dear Prohibitionist-preacher-homage-boy,
Our discussion has not concerned the merits of Ms. Clinton, a subject on which I have much to say, but will leave for another day. My consistent point has been to bemoan the mean-spirited, ankle-biting, carping coming from Obama supporters whenever they perceive that someone might not favor their Golden Calf. You have consistently twisted, turned, ducked, buried your obtuse head in the sand, run for cover, and generally avoided answering my criticisms of this paradigm of pejorative postings. Care to take a whack at it on your fourth try?
February 18, 2008 7:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Further, I think both Clinton and Obama supporters can agree that Edwards leaves a bit lacking in the honesty/integrity department, regardless of whom he eventually endorses. Please inform me as to how that statement is an attack on Clinton, I'm sure you'll find a way. kthanxby.
February 18, 2008 11:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
We Are the World, We are The Children!
February 18, 2008 10:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ugh...
Ridiculed by Barack? Yeah right...
Barack pointed out a few times that empathy is not a "weakness." It is a strength. If that point-out irked, than Edwards really does have a vanity problem doesn't he?
Role the tape please for verification:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AE847UXu3Q
1 million views and still rising...
Of course all of this is mere fun.
The real question is does Edwards's endorsement matter? I think more than a bit. Else obviously, they wouldn't have "courted" and "wooed" the millionaire in his monster McMansion.
February 18, 2008 10:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Who?
February 18, 2008 10:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think the devil of Edwards' political opportunism and the angel of this populist campaign platform are waging a little battle in his head.
February 18, 2008 11:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
so if Edwards positions his entire campaign message as being against "the state quo", labels someone as "the status quo", and then goes to work helping that person (endorsing), we the voters should not point that out?
we're not making some kind of ideological hate-rant against Edwards, merely pointing out the massive hypocrisy he would be engaging in were he to endorse a candidate HE HIMSELF previously said was bad for America and part of the problem.
the hypocrisy of politicians was another one of Edwards' campaign targets, which would make such a scenario even worse for him.
February 18, 2008 11:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Do the Edwardses see a correlation between effectively courting him for his endorsement and the kind of toughness he says he wants to see with regard to his issues?
Not saying it's not there but...
Why doesn't he just hold a silent auction if effective courting is what he wants to see?
February 18, 2008 11:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
There's a huge issue here that no one has addressed. Edwards is fighting for his political life here. If he backs the wrong horse, he really will be over: 1 term Senator, 2 failed national campaigns, doesn't get behind the correct person in 2008.
The only role left for Edwards after that in Washington would be... a lobbyist.
Ironically, the longer he waits to endorse the more crucial it is he picks the Dem who will run in the GE.
February 18, 2008 11:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Endorsing Hillary would be better for Edwards' presidential aspirations. I don't think presidential aspirations will consciously guide Edwards' choice of who to endorse (if he does endorse), but he is an ambitous and smart guy, and certain considerations are surely floating around in his subconscious:
1. The polls and the CW agree that Obama is more likely to beat McCain.
2. If a Democrat wins the general, the next contested Democratic primary race is 2016, when most people will have forgotten that Edwards ever existed.
3. If McCain beats Hillary in the general, the 2012 primary race can be Edwards-Obama, without the distracting "Hillary v. Obama" narrative that gets Edwards pushed out of the spotlight.
Again, I doubt that these are conscious considerations for Edwards, but they may nonetheless affect his perception of who is "courting him most effectively."
February 18, 2008 11:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Quote: "Barack pointed out a few times that empathy is not a 'weakness.' It is a strength. If that point-out irked, than Edwards really does have a vanity problem doesn't he?"
Not to mention, Obama didn't actually identify who said what. Although those who'd seen or read about the debate knew who said what, he focused on the actual answers in his point-out, not who said 'em.
February 18, 2008 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
If this report is accurate, then it would confirm the similar problems the Kerry campaign had with Edwards trying to be the tail that wagged the dog, instead of following the path that the Kerry camp wanted him to, as the VP candidate.
February 18, 2008 11:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Now, rev, I happen to like poodles, and I have never heard them called "dirty" before. As for snarling, and yapping,now those are criticisms for sure, but again, not dirty. Did "piddle" get to you? Again, a natural biological function, especially for yapping poodles running in circles (ask any poodle owner), and certainly less graphic than the scatalogical terms thrown around by your congregation in the comments above.
Look, my point was you guys get dizzy and silly and mean and stupid when someone criticizes or, God forbid, even fails to support your guy. This is America. Debate is good. Bush is evil. Instead of preaching to the choir, challenge them, educate them, de-vituperate them.
February 18, 2008 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
The endless trashing of Clinton in the comments here at TPM is bad enough, but now I'm seeing John Edwards trashed because "sources close to him" suggest he has dared to question Obama's "toughness and readiness to be president." Please cut it out Dems.
February 18, 2008 12:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
In my opinion Edwards has lost his moment: the voters, from before super Tuesday on have been having to make up their own minds between Clinton and Obama. So his endorsement is worth diminishing returns.
The delegates will do whatever they want, so Edwards loses there as well. Why should we care about him any more?
February 18, 2008 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lemme get this straight, John Edwards, a former presidential and vice presidential candidate with a populist streak, is leaning towards endorsing the icon of the Democratic status quo, who has huge corporate lobbyist ties, over Obama, who most have determined brings new life to the Democrats, while having a history of community organization.
And the reasons for this possible head scratching, which would seem to go against the majority of his former adviser's, endorser's, fundraiser's- and most importantly- supporter's best interests?
Because Obama has not pursued him as well as Clinton (HRC is a hard worker!) and Obama may lack the experience (BO doesn't have 35 years of it!) and Obama might not be tough enough (HRC is vetted!). Does anyone else see a pattern here? Maybe the unnamed source that Time and ABC are pointing towards, could be one of the few former Edwards camp officials, who now supports HRC? Oh and where has Obama continued to ridicule Edwards about his debate answer? Glad to see the press working hard on this one.
February 18, 2008 12:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
The couple has been impressed with Clinton, who has more effectively courted them since the 2004 vice presidential nominee dropped out, people who talk to the Edwardses say. Obama has been less attentive, they say,
I liked Edwards, and would have gladly supported him. But it's disappointing to see him letting a decision like this be influenced by how "attentive" the other candidates have been in "courting" him.
February 18, 2008 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Edwards correctly sees that behind the irrational exuberance of his fans is a candidate who lacks the experience and toughness to actually get anything done. His weak performance in the debates is the best preview of what his administration would be like - and Edwards knows it. The only question is whether Edwards still has the presence of mind not to be swept up in the historic blunder the party is about to commit.
February 18, 2008 1:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
And her complete lack of preparation for this campaign, her arrogance regarding red-state votes, & her triangulation is the best preview of what we can expect from her presidency I guess. Except that she can't beat McCain so we'll never know.
February 18, 2008 3:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Honestly I can't believe he's that egotistical. As far as toughness goes I guess he can take a look at the southside of Chicago, Chicago politics, and this campaign to see who is tougher and more effective.
February 18, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
This "southside Chicago" meme is getting a little long in the tooth. The Obamas live in million-dollar-plus mansion in a ritzy neighborhood next to the very tony Hyde Park neighborhood surrounding the University of Chicago. These neighborhoods are not "southside Chicago" in any sense of that term as it relates to gangbanging, drugs, whores, housing projects, and struggling poor folks just trying to survive. So let's let this bragging point rest. In fact the first time Mr. Obama ran for office on the south side of Chicago he was considered much too effete and inauthentic and had his hat handed to him.
February 18, 2008 7:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't have a problem in Edwards looking for a deal for himself. I don't think Edwards was in this race with pure intentions to fight poverty. In fact, his anti-corportate, fight against poverty message becane more evident at the end of his campaign.
But, he is clearly over estimating his significance and power in politics. He can look back to NH, NV and SC on his impact on voters. As a Obama supporter, I'd like to see him endorse Obama especially with the NC contest ahead. But if Mr.Princess believes he needs to be "courted" then we can take a walk.
I think his support will help, but it's not going to cause any major political earth quakes. He is no Al Gore.
He doesn't want a trade off. What if I support one and the other one wins? Well you have to bravely take a stand- otherwise who cares after it's too late.
February 18, 2008 4:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I could give a flying crap who John Edwards endorses, personally. Is he really sitting back judging how well Obama or Clinton kisses his ass as opposed to who he thinks would do a better job or have a better chance of getting elected? Well, that would just reinforce my already low-ish opinion of the guy. But, I've also read sources saying that Elizabeth is trying to convince John to support Obama. I doubt that anyone knows what they're talking about on the issue, seeing as none of them have talked to Edwards, or anyone they can name who is at all close to him. That one adviser of his said he was waiting to see the results of TX and OH. That's the closest thing to a valid source I've seen, so I have to guess he's waiting to see if Clinton can make a comeback in any valid way, or if Obama is just gonna rule it from here on out. Which would also indicate to me that he doesn't really have much of a preference between the two, and if he does have one its mildly towards Clinton, all that rhetoric about the "status quo" aside, apparently.
February 18, 2008 4:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
What makes more sense is that both Clinton and Edwards have long been advocates for the poor and the poverty-stricken. Moreover, Clinton's universal health care plan is near identical to Edwards (who will say as much). I don't see why he hasn't been more supportive of Hillary, aside from her rather harmless ties to lobbyists.
February 18, 2008 5:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, the poor and the poverty-stricken? What a guy!
Clinton's plan requires you to buy health insurance from a private company, which makes it basically the Health Insurance Profit Protection Act of 2009. Edwards's plan would have allowed anyone to buy into Medicare, creating competition between Medicare (with a 3% overhead) and the private leeches -- excuse me, health insurance companies -- with overhead more like 20+%, figuring in CEO salaries, corporate perks, dividends, slush funds and the rest. That's a major difference.
I hope 714Day (below) is right and Edwards will stand on principle. We will see.
February 19, 2008 2:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
...aside from her rather harmless ties to lobbyists.
Oh, I get it now. You're joking, right?
Please. Tell me you're joking.
February 19, 2008 2:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Seems to me it would be wiser for Edwards not to endorse anybody. But what do I know.
February 18, 2008 7:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
So,....
but
And we're supposed to believe that Edwards may endorse Obama because
?
Really?
To think that this guy was tied for second choice in my own list (after Kucinich, and I didn't really think K would be given a chance). Once again I support someone I think might vaguely be for real. Oh well. He did have a better health care plan than either C or O.
February 18, 2008 8:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
What does courting have to do with who would be the best President. If Edwards is this easily bought, then his endorsement means nothing. He claimed to be all about change and social justice. These are Obama themes. Hillary is DLC all the way and soooooo corporate. If he endorses Hillary, he has obviously sold out to the highest bidder. No very admirable.
February 18, 2008 9:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Feingold helped screw the democratic party over, by working with wingnut McCain to take away contributions that primarily helped democrats. Not big corporate money, but contributions from unions, women's rights groups, environmental groups. Of course the corporate interests and their wealthy owners could keep right on giving.
Feingold helped the corporate elites consolidate their power, because smaller donors could never compete with the super wealthy and corporate interests. Dems in congress ultimately started taking corporate money and we've seen what comes of it.
So don't anyone dare annoint Feingold as being some saint of the party. The man is a pathetic backbencher who hasn't had an original thought in his head. He's been either a willing dupe or a sell out.. not that some of you could tell the differece.
John Edwards is a man of principle who cares about the issues. So what if he has taken moderate stances on some issues, he is democrat of the mold of JFK and RFK. He cares about human rights, civil rights and social justice from a wider, fuller more humane perspective.. you know, the one that actually includes the issue of poverty and the problems that arise because of it.
Again, I can't see myself voting for any candidate who wins the support of armchair fascists like too many of the posters here.
February 18, 2008 10:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
John Edwards is a 54 year old man. If he's making decisions based on who is sending him nicer boxes of chocolates in the past 8 weeks instead of looking at the respective records of Sen. Clinton and Sen. Obama then he's a damn fool.
Mark Halperin titters like an eighth-grade gossip doesn't mean you should repeat what his 'sources' tell him.
February 18, 2008 10:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
As a former Edwards supporter, I would hope he would not endorse either candidate, and will instead let the people decide who they want the most.
I'd definitely lose some respect for him if he went with Clinton, but I doubt he could say anything that would encourage me to not support Obama.
At this point, nobody could say anything that would fix what's wrong with the Clinton campaign.
February 18, 2008 11:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think Edwards gives a damn about being courted. He cares about his agenda, which really isn't too bad, all things considered.
No way in hell will he "give" his delegates to Clinton.
I think he's trying to time it properly. And Obama knows it. They'll both hold it close to the vest while they maneuver. And why not?
Wouldn't it be better if the delegates were held until they could counter possible super delegate ensnarement? If this turns out to be a brokered convention, Edwards will have some influence that really matters.
I don't think he's tickled with old school dirty tricks politics, but he's hardly a babe in toyland. He's screwed the pooch a few times and that, no doubt, makes him doubly cautious in conning the water now.
What vote does he regret the most? The one "the Clinton people" led foolish Dems into.
This is a principled guy. He will stand up for the only candidate who offers any hope of shaking off the conventional "game" of "hardball" moving and shaking in the beltway.
February 19, 2008 12:00 AM | Reply | Permalink