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Report: Clinton Camp Threatened Lawsuit Over Texas Primary/Caucus

The Texas Democratic Party has taken an interesting step for the upcoming hybrid primary/caucus: Asking the campaigns not to sue. "It has been brought to my attention that one or both of your campaigns may already be planning or intending to pursue litigation against the Texas Democratic Party," wrote party attorney Chad Dunn in a letter. "Such action could prove to be a tragedy for a reinvigorated Democratic process."

According to party officials speaking under anonymity, the threat of a lawsuit has come from the Clinton campaign, during a conference call between the party and the campaigns. "Officials from Sen. Clinton's campaign at several times throughout the call raised the specter of 'challenging the process,'" according to one source.

Adrienne Elrod, spokeswoman for the Hillary campaign in Texas, denied the allegation and said the campaign was merely seeking a written agreement. "It is our campaign's standard operating procedure that we need to see what we are agreeing to in writing before we agree to it," Elrod said. "No legal action is being taken. We have no reason to take any legal action."

It's not clear what the campaign would be threatening to sue over, nor what issues are/were the subject of negotiations between the campaigns and the Texas Dems. We'll have more information soon.


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Say what you will about the Clintons, it's obvious that they lack shame. Maybe that's a result of having brass balls, Hillary included.

This is all about a rule in the Texas caucus system that allows for moving the caucus out of the room it's being held within if the room overflows capacity. Apprently, the Clinton people want to be able to lock out overflow by locking the doors at a specific time.

so the real problem is, they suspect Obama supporters will so outstrip Clinton supporters that in many districts clinton will be unable to reach the 15% viability threshold. By locking out Obama supporters as soon as the room fills to capacity, they can gain delegates.

Bottom line is, the Clinton epopel fear turnout for Obama in the caucuses could cause a sweep of nearly all of the caucus awarded delegates. Were thyat to happen, Obama would eb more than one hundred delegates ahead of Clinton even with Florida and Michigan after March 4.

This is SOP for them, given their lawsuit in Nevada.

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Shameless, you're losing so sue to stop the election, change the rules. I can't imagine this will go over well with the Texas voter. First Texas doesn't matter because it's a Redstate, now Texas has to bend the rules for me or I will sue. The rules have been in place for many months I assume. So what's the rub, once again they were unprepared.

The rules have in been in place not just months, but years. Two decades, in fact.

Either the law is followed or it is not- its 'red state' status is moot.

If you recall they didn't know this until a couple weeks ago. It seems a typical thing for the Clinton campaign nowadays...poor things.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/17/AR2008021702461.html

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Good lord...

The Clinton campaign started out with support from almost all of the Texas Democratic power structure from Bob Slagle on down -- for them now to be whining that they don't understand the rule is completely silly - it is their supporters who wrote and approved the rules. But since they were asleep at the switch, they're now crying"unfair" and threatening to shut the whole thing down.

Didn't they try this in Nevada -- suing to change the caucus rules a few days before the caucus -- when they had been adopted a year before hand by the same party leaders backing her?

Add to that the effort to overturn party rules relative to Michigan and Florida - even though Harold Ickes and other Clinton leaders were the folks who voted to impose the sanctions in the first place.

It becomes clear that "rules are rules" unless they seem to get in the way of Clinton's campaign. And the campaign that was supposed to be the master political machine didn't even do their homework to understand the rules of the game.

The Clinton folks would do a lot better to go out and campaign with a positive message to win votes instead of spending their time and energy trying to play games with the party rules.

I find this Clinton pattern of constantly trying to rewrite the rules very toubling. Now that she has raised some money to keep campaigning, I would feel better about her capacity for leadership if she put the money into ad buys rather than hiring lawyers to subborn the process. Once again, the "experience" candidate demonstrates that has neither the judgement nor the character to manage her way out of a paper bag. To see a national candidate -- who should have known the rules for months -- disrespecting a state party in the process of resurrecting itself is bad politics, as well as arrogant.

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"Clinton pattern of constantly trying to rewrite the rules"

Hmmmm..... Imagine the signing statements, the presidential edicts she could issue....

This needs to be nipped in the bud. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

This is EXCELLENT NEWS!!! FOR HILLARY!!1!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

I think it's interesting to look at this through two distinct prisms to shed light on the way the Clintons have approached this campaign so far.

1) The Clintons are fighters

True enough. They are fighters in that they use their legal heft to leverage an advantage in any way they see fit. They are fighters who complain to and put pressure on the press. They are fighters who aren't concerned about or unwilling to throw a little mud at Obama, to use subordinates to leak things to the press about his background and his history. So, this fits into that narrative. They are fighting, albeit a little dirty, for votes and delegates in Texas.

2) The Clintons misuse resources

More importantly (to me at least), is the fact that they've been caught flat-footed once again. Why are they using this time and energy to fight a legal battle? Perhaps this is an easy decision to make and an easy document to write up and send off. But I'm guessing that this took considerable time and energy, that there was a debate among staffers about whether to pursue this angle, and in general another example of the Clintons taking their eye off the ball. It fits into the pattern of relying on the endorsements of state and local politicians, complaining to the media about coverage, and then contesting the validity or worth of the results. This may not seem atypical until you compare this strategy with the Obama camp, who have put their resources to better and more fruitful use.

I don't get it. What are they upset about so late in the process? Unclear. And, whatever the issue, none of it could have been cleared up earlier? I really don't get it at all.

I don't get it. What are they upset about so late in the process?

The losing.

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I guess it is not necessary to point out that this idea is floated just when it looks like Clinton's comfortable lead in Texas has gone south.

I think just last week Hillary admitted that only a few weeks ago had her team become aware of the arcana of the Texas system, and she remarked (paraphrase): "We have grown men crying over this."
Yes, well may they cry.

I find it rather amusing that the Clintons would do this. After all, they had plenty of time to find out the rules of these states. It is their fault they didn't plan to be competing after February 5th.

I think one measure about whether someone is ready to run the country is how they run their campaign. The Clinton's campaign? A total mess.

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All I can say is if this report is true, their internal polling numbers must look pretty bad and they are resorting to last-minute desperation tactics to thwart the democratic process, as unusual as Texas' procedures may be. This is just part of the continuum, beginning with "Gee, we just found out about the Texas rules" even though they had months to figure it out (obviously, they thought Texas would NOT be in play). I love Bill Clinton's statement that "the primary may be taken away from them in the dark of night". What the hell is that all about? It makes it seem that something underhanded and nefarious is going on. He really needs to watch what he says because he's pissing a lot of people off down there, I'm sure.

What is she going to do in Ohio if Obama begins to pull ahead of her there? There comes a point when you have to face the inevitable and concede defeat gracefully. We'll see if she has it in her (I'm betting no).

Don't worry about Ohio! There they have THOSE machines. Plus, just to make things even nicer, they redistricted recently so some voters will go to the wrong place. And to top it all off very finely, there will be discouragingly long lines in certain places because of too many people for too few voting resources. And we do know which areas and which people.

And if, in spite of all that, it turns out that things don't result as desired, there is the threat of other action: appeal to the courts or some other dirty

One shouldn't think like that.


Things shouldn't be like that.

At this point, it's useless to try to argue with Clinton supporters about the consistent and obvious ethical lapses of the their candidate and her campaign. Facts mean nothing to them.

What's interesting, though, is how out-in-the-open their attempts to disenfranchise voters actually are. First, the immediate disparagement of caucuses and caucusers following Iowa. Then the lawsuit in Nevada. Then the trivializing of South Carolina as a tantamount to a 'black win' and nothing more. Then the marginalizing of red states that 'Democrats won't win anyway in the general election.' And now a lawsuit against the process in Texas. And throughout the entire process the relentless insistence on characterizing the growing legion of Obama voters (fellow Democrats) as cultists and Kool-aid drinkers.

The trash and burn style is puzzling. If Clinton does get the nomination, you wonder just how much back-pedaling her campaign is going to have to do to win back all of these groups. I mean this stuff is just buttah for Republicans because it reinforces in the naked light of day the extant and pervasive idea that the Clintons care only about their own power. Their trail of bodies in this campaign astonishes.

Hey, Texas undecideds, this is your future on Hillary Clinton. Just say no.


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I just watched Josh's election 14 roundup. In it he talked about how the McCain camp would try in various ways, ani-american, crypto muslim and the like against Obama in the geneeral. Josh pointed out basically how McCain would be doing the same thing that was done to him by GWB. It occured to me that Hillary is already doing that to Obama. Having surrogates slime, while she claims no knowledge.

The uncanny resemblence to GWB's Karl Rove campaign is scary to any committed democrat. I saw this listing on another blog and again the shivers went up my spine. My God, if Hillary gets elected she will govern just like GWB. Check this out:
Does anyone see the similarity in GW's preparation for the Iraq war and HRC's preparation for this campaign. I'll try and point out the similarities:
1. Both were arrogant enough to think that they will just walk over the competition.
2. Both had the unfounded confidence that once they beat the so called opposition they will be greeted with flowers, no matter what it takes to win.
3. Both did not do any grass root work to find out what the ground reality is.
4. Both are adament that their strategy was sound.
5. Both never anticipated a long drawn out battle.
6. Both surround themselves with 'yes-men'.
7. Both are reluctant to change their strategy because that would be tantamount to accepting that there was/is something wrong with it in the first place.
The list can go on and on. The bottom line is that HRC should be confined to the senate alone. She has the potential to be a good party leader (senate majority leader...anyone) but I dont think that she is ready to 'lead on day one'. She has very similar characteristics as GW.

I see these recomendations for higher positions all the time. I just don't get it. I know that she has become very famous during this election, but why would anyone trust this women with more power and prestige and award her for terrible behavior and judgement? If John McCain looses the election closely, should he then get a cabinet position?

Sooo, what rules will Hillary deem unfit to follow as President that have been long standing? Whether it is foreign policy or the US Constitution this woman lacks the judgment to abide by the rules whenever they do not fit her goals. How many wars will this cause and how much more terrorism will it create as she heightens the hostility to America global due to her arrogance and the might of our military to pursue any resistance to her aims.

We will be in significant trouble with her at the helm. The nerve of her to play on our fears as well with than new commercial and sleeping children asking who we want in charge at 3 in the morning making decisions? Potentially, globally profound decisions that suck us into a nuclear holocaust? NOT HILLiary!

I find this disturbing on so many levels as it is another classic pattern of her lack of planning and in ability to engage in due diligence just as her vote that took her to war. Hillary does what is politically expedient and that is a frightening prospect if she is sitting in the oval office.

Americans will not be safe or secure with woman at the helm and all the power of our military at her disposal ...she is strategically challenged and sacrifices the long term consequences for the immeadiate and expedient triumph...a constant state of winning the battles and losing the war. We have had ENOUGH of this.

We need a leader not a fighter in the White House.

This can't really go over well with Texas voters. I wonder how many undecideds swing the other way when they see their state party threatened this way.

The Democratic Texas primaries will be fought in court. Forget the 2000 and 2004 presidential election fraud in Florida and Ohio. Trick ballots and eight hour waits to vote lines weren't worth fighting for. If anyone can screw this up it's the Democrats.

This news has yet to go national. It's hit the internet and it's in just about every Texas paper.

I don't think the threat of lawsuits to change rules in the middle of an election would go over too well in the other states that are voting on March 4. Let's see how biased the media really are because my money is that none of the national media will touch this story witha ten foot pole.

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Clintons Sue at Last Minute to Change Voting Rules!

The headline today in Texas newspapers. Doesn't sell well with the voter I have to think.

Ridiculous though the process in Texas may be, it's been in place since 1972. 1972!

And Cliton is going to sue because it happens to not favor her this time? Because her campaign was too incompetent and ill-prepared?

I don't know how you sue someone else for your incompetence. Guess it happens all the time, though.

Ridiculous though the process in Texas may be, it's been in place since 1972. 1972!

And Cliton is going to sue because it happens to not favor her this time? Because her campaign was too incompetent and ill-prepared?

I don't know how you sue someone else for your incompetence. Guess it happens all the time, though.

Sue Hillary Sue. Do you feel lucky Punk? Go ahead make my day!

Yeah... Texas isn't looking too good for the Clintons. The latest Zogby poll found Obama leading 48.2 percent to 41.7 percent there, with undecideds trending in his direction.

To me, this tells me a few things:
1> Texas-style "rugged individualists" are going to put Obama over the top, bigtime.
2> The problems that Obama had with the polls in California -- unexpectedly low black turnout, unexpectedly high latino turnout, and lots of last-minute "can I trust him" jitters -- aren't much of a factor in Texas, where blacks clearly ARE going to the polls, and where the latino delegate share is essentially surpressed, due to their low participation in the last election.
3> Obama will, as always, decisively outorganize Clinton in the caucuses.

Now, Ohio... Clinton is still in the lead there by 2%, and may pull out a narrow win there. Early voting could give her an advantage there... but not so much in Texas, where Obama has done a very good job of getting voters to turn out early for him, with the "Texas Two-step" -- vote early, then caucus.

The big question, really, is whether Hillary concedes after losing Texas, concedes after losing the next two states after Texas, concedes after losing Pennsylvania... or whether Howard Dean, John Edwards, Al Gore, and a large bloc of superdelegates step in and tell her to back down or be this party's next Joe Lieberman.

Yeah... Texas isn't looking too good for the Clintons. The latest Zogby poll found Obama leading 48.2 percent to 41.7 percent there, with undecideds trending in his direction.

To me, this tells me a few things:
1> Texas-style "rugged individualists" are going to put Obama over the top, bigtime.
2> The problems that Obama had with the polls in California -- unexpectedly low black turnout, unexpectedly high latino turnout, and lots of last-minute "can I trust him" jitters -- aren't much of a factor in Texas, where blacks clearly ARE going to the polls, and where the latino delegate share is essentially surpressed, due to their low participation in the last election.
3> Obama will, as always, decisively outorganize Clinton in the caucuses.

Now, Ohio... Clinton is still in the lead there by 2%, and may pull out a narrow win there. Early voting could give her an advantage there... but not so much in Texas, where Obama has done a very good job of getting voters to turn out early for him, with the "Texas Two-step" -- vote early, then caucus.

The big question, really, is whether Hillary concedes after losing Texas, concedes after losing the next two states after Texas, concedes after losing Pennsylvania... or whether Howard Dean, John Edwards, Al Gore, and a large bloc of superdelegates step in and tell her to back down or be this party's next Joe Lieberman.

Simple answer required from BHO:
"Florida, Michigan, on and on... Hillary, can't play by the rules!"

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"At this point, it's useless to try to argue with Clinton supporters about the consistent and obvious ethical lapses of the their candidate and her campaign. Facts mean nothing to them."

Do you mean actual facts, or facts as made up and repeated by Obama supporters? Like the "fact" that the Clinton campaign sent the Obama turban photo to Drudge? From the article, all we know is that the Clinton campaign allegedly talked about "challenging the process." The Clinton campaign also said "we have no reason to sue." From this, we get the "fact" that the Clinton campaign has threatened to sue, and every commenter then takes off on this "fact." All it take is one state party lawyer raisng the "spectre" of a lawsuit, and the Obama folks are off and running. You guys are pathetic.

As an Obama supporter, I will admit that this report could be more clearly sourced. But the inside sources do appear to be there, even if her campaign denies the story. Ultimately, though, it will tend to influence undecideds anyway, especially given that every Texas newspaper is running the story on their front page.

Texas is going for Obama with a fairly strong edge due to the caucus, and a considerably strong Obama surge, based on the vote of those Texas "rugged independents" who want to decide the whole ball of wax in their state. Hillary, by campaigning primarily along the border, has unintentionally distanced herself from the voters in the heart of Texas, who'll punish her for it.

Ohio is still quite winnable for Hillary, who is polling about 2-5% ahead. She's getting massively outspent on ads, which are clearly shifting the race and the polls, but early voting might lock in her edge. RI should go her way by 15%, while Vermont is polling as a 24-point favorite for Obama right now, according to the new Rasmussen poll today in the Burlington Free Press.

In short, it's likely to end up with each candidate winning two states, but with Obama the overall winner on delegates. That's bad news for Clinton, who has almost certain losses to look forward to in Wyoming and Mississippi to look forward to before Pennsylvania, which is currently has a 6-point lead.

Frankly, I don't see that thin lead holding up. Texas and Ohio are her last stand, and if she can't win them, she's lost this race and should stand down for the good of the party.

The good news, however, is she is likely going to be the first female Senate Majority Leader, as that is part of the deal they will offer her to do so. That will give her a lot of power to influence Obama's legislation anyway, so it's not all bad for the Clinton camp.

Time for all of us to be pragmatic about how we'll all walk away winners to some extent, and how completely we will stomp the Repubs this time around. If we combine our fundraising abilities and start channeling them towards the DNC, we should be able to outspend the Repubs by over a five-to-one ratio! ;-)

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I just wonder how much longer the public is going to tolerate all these myriad systems for voting across this country. Why does Texas have this system to begin with? Early voting? And then caucuses? Setting number of delegates on the basis of an election 4 years ago?

What are they thinking about?

The precinct caucuses do more than give the people who show up an extra vote in the presidential race.

In my neighborhood at least, a lot of grassroots organizing takes place - people trading phone numbers, recruiting volunteers for the general election, and so on. Plus a chance to network on local issues affecting the neighborhood. It's a natural consequence of getting people in the same room face to face.

The presidential race may be what gets people in the door, but once they are there:

1. They get to vote on resolutions that will eventually become the party platform. (Don't minimize the importance of this - this is how the religious right took over the Republican Party.)

2. They will likely get recruited to become a delegate or alternate for the County (actually Senatorial District) convention - in my experience pretty much anyone who wants to go can (but that may be because I have always lived in very high turnout, overwhelmingly Democratic precincts, which are given large numbers of delegates by the formula).

3. As I pointed out above, a chance to connect with neighbors - it's easy to say "yes" to someone asking you face-to-face to volunteer for the general campaign.

As for the formulas that distribute delegates based on past turnout - there is something to be said for giving those who actually *are voting with* the Democratic Party the most say in who leads it and what its platform is (and *that* is the main business of the conventions - especially at the District and State levels - *not* the nomination). Four years ago, the Dean for America folks "got" that, and recruited and trained people to go to the Precinct and District Conventions, with an eye on the future of the Democratic Party in Texas, not just on the presidential race. I think the Obama campaign "gets" it, too; Clinton - apparently not.

To be fair there's a good case that the delegate apportionment can be skewed by local considerations, for instance, having or not having local contested races or ballot initiatives concurrent with the gubernatorial race. The formula was actually changed for this cycle to allow for the weirdness of the last gubernatorial election - four viable candidates, including political satirist Kinky Friedman and major Texas political figure Carol Keeton Strayhorn Rylander (she's been married a bunch of times and seems to use a different last name for every office she's held; she's also Scott McClellan's mother).

However, the time to address that is *not* in the middle of the election, and the proper process is through the Party Convention Process, not a last minute lawsuit. Looks to me that she just trying to throw a wrench in the works because she isn't winning.

Hillary Clinton's Titanic is sinking and they are trying to take the whole Democratic Party down with them. With this type of divisive activity, the Democrats will never take the Texas back that Karl Rove and W stole from them.

The Clintons have proven time and time again throughout this nomination process that they only care about themselves and their power and egos. Just as Bill had no problem with the Democrats losing Congress and Al Gore losing the presidency as long as he kept his position, HIllary and the gang are showing that nothings changed. SHAME ON YOU HILLARY CLINTON!

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I guess this just shows, once again, just how long time representatives of our government operate...

Vote ALL the incumbants and pillars of Washington out... they have ALL been corrupted!!!

Background on the Texas system:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=19211076

It may be crazy, but they didn't cook it up this year to foil the Clinton campaign.

Why am I not surprised that Hillary Clinton has issued the threat of a lawsuit over Texas delegate allocation rules. Early voting is brisk, but I wonder if it might have been smarter for their campaign to have waited until folks in Texas have all voted before issuing the predictable petulant threats. I wonder if they are looking at their internals and realizing that Obama has already carried the state? Here's an interesting question. Which luminary amongst the bevy of overpaid overrated 'ready on day one' cowpunchers will lead the Clinton Texas delegate challenge? Will it be Texas Terry McAuliffe? Hopalong Penn? How about The Lone Ickes? They should have lots of time on their hands soon. Not to mention plenty of cash to take the sting out of it all. So what was that about all hat, no cattle?

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The thrice repeated theme is "Clinton as victim".

In New Hampshire this appeared to work, portraying the media as unseemly gleeful over Clinton's loss Iowa and her about to lose again the following week.

In this week's debate, Clinton herself started out saying that media was being unfair to her, using the SNL skit as evidence. No one mentioned the host Tina Fey stating her strong support of Clinton at the same time. Clinton complained about receiving the first question at the debates. I found this surprising. If you are behind then it is good to receive the first question of the debate which gives you a chance to set the tone of the debate. Would not it have been more unfair to Clinton and biased to Obama if he were always receiving the first question as the frontrunner? It as if in a sudden-death overtime football game, your team won the coin toss but elected to kick the ball.

Finally, portraying the Texas primary/caucus as unfair and Bill Clinton saying that the election will be stolen form Hillary in the dead of night is a blatant play-the-victim ploy. In Texas as in other big states Clinton's strength has been the organized power structure, the very people who wrote the election rules long ago. How can they be accused of bias against her? Obama's campaign had nothing to do with writing the Texas election rules.

But I thought she was gaining momentum in Texas?

Has anyone seen Hillary's guest blog post at HP?

Funny that most of the comments are arse kissing, while my two, both polite and in accordance with the TOS, have not gone through.

Another allocation of that alleged $35 mil?
It looks like posters are being paid to comment positively on her behalf because the proportion of positive comments is way out of sync with the other blog posts.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hillary-clinton/child-poverty_b_89089.html#postComment


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Funny how when Hillary was the inevitable candidate, noneof these problems existed. If I hear her say one more time how the party will be united behind the eventual nominee, I think I'll throw up. She and her husband (whom I voted for twice and really liked)are turning out to be little more than whining phonies. It's a disgraceful display of poor loser syndrome.

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Gee, what a shock. She plans on suing her way to the nomination. I can't wait until the clintons are sitting on the french riviera sipping champagne and lamenting their loss. Pathetic.

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Here's the latest from Al Giordano blog, The Field.
They report that the Clintons want the reporting of Caucus results to be suppressed, supposedly so they can dispute them , or not rain on their hope for an Ohio victory speech.
http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=797

Yeah this is great for the democratic party, to have a possible legal decision regarding election-erring? I mean it is obvious that the democratic party enjoys much more divisive discourse regarding any range of topics than the Republicans, which I think is good for a democracy, but in the end, 'is this not the same type of shenanigans that keeps many independents in doubt about who to support? It would seem to me that the Clintons are much more interested in winning the nomination than putting on a good campaign that will highlight her strengths, clearly define her divisions with Senator Obama, and also try to pick up the independents who are desperate to see a party change for the POTUS. She has every right to wage this campaign but I just do not see how this wins her traction within the democratic party, especially those new progressive democrats. Personnally I think this election has been partly about the Clintons fading power within the democratic parties establishment and the future vision of the democratic party. Any Clinton supporter's have a different take?

Hillary Clinton as majority leader? Never in a million years after this campaign.

First, majority leader is about building consensus.

Second, Hillary is currently at war with the Democratic Party.

Think about it: suppose you and coworkers got together in your office and promoted someone to boss. Would you and your coworkers pick the biggest jackass and promote them? As your boss?

Based on Hillary's behavior, I am willing to bet that she has no intention on running for election in 2012. Voters may have short memories, but Senators never do.

Since "day one" in Texas hasn't happened yet and Hillary is already threatening to sue, maybe the truth is Hillary's ready on "the day before one"; ready to sue that is.

Yes. Looking forward to "more information soon"

"Both campaigns have made it clear that they would go there if they had to, but I think the imminent threat is coming from one campaign" said anonymous top official....

Imminent threat? nice recycle of a well used term.

Since it was a conference call, and all parties privy to the call would be known, then it should be just a matter of time to figure out who are the individual sources in the article --or-- maybe it's just "political rhetoric" ... half joking /serious.

One question to ask is if Texas Democratic Party lawyer Chad Dunn was also privy to the conference call. His quote, "If it is true that litigation is imminent...." leads me to wonder, why does he question if it is true or not? If indeed, as the anonymous Texas Democratic official states, it is an "imminent threat", why not state it as such? Did Dunn hear it second hand, is he being passive, is he an anonymous source? And push comes to shove with newsourcing and spokesmodels come out from both campaigns and state, "there were no plans to sue ahead of the March 4 election". So, what's the story here? Both campaigns pledge neither will interfere before the election. Okay, I guess?

It goes without saying, Democratic party officials and Democratic lawyers can be linked with either camp, and when anonymous party officials within a very partisan race start leaking juicy bits, it is essential to figure out who is saying what and who they're camping within the primary or if they've pitched a tent.

"Keep the coffee hot. I'm off to go get some more water" -so to speak.

Like I said, she'd rather burn the house down than not get it for herself.

You say you cant live with what you been through
Well, ladies you can be an asshole too

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!!!HILLMENTUMâ„¢!!!!

Good god. She has become the Tonya Harding of the 2008 primaries.

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