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Polls: Obama Holds Small Edge In Wisconsin

Tomorrow is the big primary in Wisconsin, which could either give Barack Obama another consecutive win or be the site of Hillary Clinton's surprise comeback. It's also the last primary until March 4, when the big states of Ohio and Texas will vote, plus Rhode Island and Vermont — meaning that whoever wins this will get to claim the title of most recent winner, and any momentum that can come with it.

Here are some recent polls:

ARG: Clinton 49%, Obama 43% (Feb. 16)

Research 200: Obama 47%, Clinton 42% (Feb. 15)

Rasmussen: Obama 47%, Clinton 43% (Feb. 14)

Strategic Vision (R): Obama 45%, Clinton 41% (Feb. 13)

PPP (D): Obama 50%, Clinton 39% (Feb. 12)

The polls have a near consensus that Barack Obama is ahead here, but the lead is just small enough to keep us on the edges of our seats. The only outlier is American Research Group, who have had a pretty good record this cycle of getting it wrong.

So will Obama's lead hold up or even get bigger, thanks to big showings in Madison and Milwaukee, or will Hillary pull off an upset win on suburban votes? We'll all find out tomorrow night.

Late Update: A new PPP (D) poll gives Obama a 13-point lead.


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Just keep it close Hillary. You can't afford another blow-out.

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Where's the SurveyUSA poll? Why aren't they polling anymore? Who's asked them to stop? Who owns SurveyUSA anyway? I want to know where they have polls in the field?

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For those who watch the polls, here's an interesting resource:

Survey USA Pollster Report Card

Oops, Obama copy-catted a speech.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M6x1H08aFc

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Yeah, thanks for that piece of non-news. I love these bullshit viral attacks that make the rounds. From the N.Y. Times:

"In a telephone interview on Sunday, Mr. Patrick said that he and Mr. Obama first talked about the attacks from their respective rivals last summer, when Mrs. Clinton was raising questions about Mr. Obama’s experience, and that they discussed them again last week.

Both men had anticipated that Mr. Obama’s rhetorical strength would provide a point of criticism. Mr. Patrick said he told Mr. Obama that he should respond to the criticism, and he shared language from his campaign with Mr. Obama’s speechwriters.

Mr. Patrick said he did not believe Mr. Obama should give him credit.

“Who knows who I am? The point is more important than whose argument it is,” said Mr. Patrick..."

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More from the same article:

"The similarities from a passage of Mr. Obama’s speech on Saturday and in remarks that Mr. Patrick delivered on Oct. 15, 2006, were highlighted by a rival campaign that did not want to be identified."

Hmm... I wonder what rival campaign that could have been. And why would they not want to be identified? I can't imagine.

"So Obama has said this before, and the press has reported it before (although not necessarily as a gotcha piece). Of course, the difference is that Obama is now the front-runner. More importantly, what would the reaction be if Clinton were the candidate accused of borrowing lines from another politician -- even one who is a friend and who shares the same media consultant?"

from: http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/18/676739.aspx

Wow, a rival campaign highlighting something? Hillary is so evil. Of course, Obama never does that. That race-baiting memo just appeared magically in his hands...

LOL.
"a rival campaign that did not want to be identified."

C'mon Mike Gravel, you're not fooling anyone.

Here is an article from LAST April detailing all of these bogus charges.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/04/16/patrick_obama_campaigns_share_language_of_hope/

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Looks like "crumbrye" is a spam bot.

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If you believe ARG in WI you have to believe ARG in TX with Obama up by 6. I don't believe either of them.

The only outlier is American Research Group...

Hm, maybe "outlier," like "beauty," is in the eye of the beholder, but to my eye PPP also looks like an outlier there. Indeed, PPP is arguably more of an outlier than is ARG, because ARG agrees that it is close. What makes ARG unusual is that it shows Clinton slightly ahead, but in a whole mess of statistical ties, does it really matter which ones show which candidate ahead? Meanwhile, PPP is an outlier from the rest in so far as it shows Obama with a lead wider than the MOE. If I heard the Sesame Street "one of these things is not like the other" music playing, I would go for PPP for predicting a statistically significant margin for Obama rather than ARG for showing Clinton ahead by a slim margin.

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According to Survey USA's report card, ARG's performance has been generally pretty lousy.

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Actually, in terms of pure differences, PPP is less of an outlier than ARG. The other 3 polls show Obama up by 4.3% (averaged) vs. PPP having Obama up by 11% (discrepancy of 6.7%) and ARG having Clinton up by 6% (discrepancy of 10.3%). That said, I agree that they're both outliers.

Actually, without access to the underlying statistical properties, it is unlikely that we can determine whether either is an outlier. I am guessing the sample is small, so the confidence interval is +/-5, but do we know? It could be larger if the sample is very small.

There is no reason to believe that suburband votes benefit Hillary, unless in Wisconsin they have become predominantly baby-boom female and less educated.

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Obama/Hillary trading around 80/20 on the Wisconsin Dem primary board at intrade ...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/18/us/politics/18washington.html?ref=politic

washington has its primary tomorrow....If you live in washington don't forget to go out and vote for hillary.... No delegates will be given out because they did that at the caucus... Who ever wins the primary can still claim that as a win before heading into march 4th... Popular vote win is all it will be.

The link above says there is going to be a record turn out.

I think it would be funny if hillary wins the primary, maybe she can use that to say hey look the people of washington have had a change of heart and are supporting me not obama.... If she wins the primary it will make obama look bad since he did win the caucus.

I hope Hillary pulls off a wisconsin win and hawaii win along with a washington state win:)
If she was to win hawaii too....dang That would hurt obama, since he was born there and lived there for a few years, and his half sister still lives there... Go Hillary, show a comeback.

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OK, time to wake up now. We're at Grandma's house.

What I really think would be funny is if Hillary could win another meaningless primary in Washington and have a phony victory celebration like she did in Florida. That would be hilarious.

Keep in mind, that WI is an open primary with one ballot. With McCain shorn up the nomination, you could have some GOPers vote HRC just to upset the apple cart. It wouldn't take much.

Like everywhere, the feeling here in WI is that Obama most assuredly has the momentum, but we'll see how the numbers turn out. He had thousands turning up all over to see him. HRC? She had 500 in Kenosha I believe and Bill's gatherings drew only a couple hundred (it was actually kind of sad to see allllll this space in a ballroom).

Weather tomorrow is supposed to be below 0 in the morning and only low teens in the PM (colder in the north). Don't know what that will do to the turnout, just thought it should be noted.

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Don't forget that many repubs do not want McCain. They know Obama has a better chance of beating McCain in the General. And so many repubs will cross over to Obama. As will many independents.

Every WI voter will receive a ballot with Obama's name on it.

"So Obama has said this before, and the press has reported it before (although not necessarily as a gotcha piece). Of course, the difference is that Obama is now the front-runner. More importantly, what would the reaction be if Clinton were the candidate accused of borrowing lines from another politician -- even one who is a friend and who shares the same media consultant?"

from: http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/18/676739.aspx

Wow, a rival campaign highlighting something? Hillary is so evil. Of course, Obama never does that. That race-baiting memo just appeared magically in his hands...

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I guess the point I was trying to make earlier is who gives a fat rat's ass? This is a non-issue. I realize Clinton will try to capitalize on it. It only makes them look desperate -- which is exactly why they're not willing to launch the attack directly, preferring instead to take cheap shots on YouTube and on message boards.

I don't know if anyone noticed but Obama stole some lines from FDR, MLK and Thomas Jefferson--I mean who the hell is Deval Patrick? I'm sure the Clintons will figure that out eventually and realize what a juicy attack that would make. Just as soon as they realize the Democratic primaries and caucuses aren't "winner take all."

Hillary keeps touting "solutions" and that she's got the experience, but she only has two more years of being a Senator than B.O. And, he has far more years of elected service than she does.

Now, the first lady does account for something obviously and she knows her way around, but I don't ever hear B.O. or his people ever flaunt that argument, namely, that Obama has more elected years serving the American people than HRC does.

Regarding the HRC "attack" on Obama for lifting lines from another speech, it's a valid attack. Now, with more people paying so much attention to the race in '08, I don't see it having much of an impact. Much like her "Obama's ducking debates" argument. Yeah, it's a valid argument, but at this juncture in the race, unless you've been living under a rock, it won't carry much merit I don't think.

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"Regarding the HRC "attack" on Obama for lifting lines from another speech, it's a valid attack."

Oh, no -- it's not a Clinton attack. It comes from a "rival campaign" that didn't wish to be identified.

"but she only has two more years of being a Senator than B.O."

Umm...Clinton was sworn in during January 2001, Obama during January 2005. Try your math again.

Also, take a look at Obama's pitiful atttendance record during 2007.

Hmmmmmm... you got me there. What in the world could he have been doing during that time?

Hillary managed to run for President and show up for work.

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In 2008, so far, Hillary has missed the most votes in the Senate of the candidates running for President.

Yeah, Hillary's is just sterling. I was especially impressed how she managed to get back in time to vote against telecom immunity.

Which was denied by such a large margin her vote wouldn't have made a bit of difference.

Wisconsin votes tomorrow. Enough with all this regurgitating of polls, most of which are almost a week out of date. You will know the actual results tomorrow night. All the idle speculation on here is just the stuff of fantasy league players.

The voters will give you the real results in less that thirty six hours.

PPD's got a pretty good record, actually.

As for ARG? I kind of imagine their robot questions must go like this:

"Press 1 for Hillary Clinton." (Long pause)
"Press 2 for Barack Obama." (Short pause)
"Sorry you did not select anyone within the time alotted. Do you want to select Hillary Clinton?" (Long pause.)
Sorry, you did not select anyone within the time allowed. Don't you want to vote for Hillary Clinton? You've heard of her, right? She's the most famous. Press 1 to vote for Hillary Clinton." (Long pause.)
"Okay, look, we're not finishing this thing until you make a damn decision capice? Press 1 to select Hillary. (Long pause.) Or, if you absolutely have to, Press 2 to choose "undecided."

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It'll be interesting to see if the late-deciding voters go for Hillary as happened in the early primaries or if Obama's momentum reverses that.

Wisconsin likes populism and movements, I think Obama pulls this off even with Hillary's negative advertising on TV and in mailers.

Remember though that this is a state that is a lot more than just Madison and Milwaukee. There are about 5 million people and over half are outside of those two regions. It is there that Obama's work in the state all of last week will pay off.

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Negative attacks tend to backfire in WI. Don't forget the boomerang effect on Hillary.

I'll post more on this later. But I think there's good reason to believe that the Wisconsin polls are underestimating Obama's margin.

It works like this. There are three quirks to the Wisconsin process: it's a state without party registration, it allows same-day registration, and it uses a single ballot. Let's take those in order. First, the fact that Wisconsin voters don't register with a party makes it more than ordinarily difficult to weight samples correctly. Partisan identification becomes, even more than usual, a matter of voter whim - and a function of how the question is phrased. Then, there's same day registration. In the fall of 2006, 20% of voters registered on the day of the election. That makes it incredibly tough to produce an accurate sample of "likely voters." Standard questions ("Are you registered to vote?" "Are you a registered Democrat?") simply don't work in Wisconsin, but I've seen no evidence that these pollsters are adjusting their instruments accordingly.

But the big difference in Wisconsin is the single ballot. Voters entering the polls get a ballot with sixteen names, split between the two contests. They can only vote for one nominee, be it a Republican or Democrat. But every voter has the choice of every candidate. That makes a really big difference. For one thing, it lowers the bar for crossover voting - it's easier to mark a name in the privacy of the booth than to actually ask for a Democratic ballot. But the big problem for pollsters is a little different. Lots of folks decide on election day which way they're going to vote; many don't decide until the ballot's actually sitting in front of them.

The local pollsters, who are used to polling in Wisconsin, understand how this skews results. The Badger Poll, for example, asked voters to select from a single list of names that included both Republicans and Democrats. But there haven't been any local polls released for months. The national polling operations appear not to have paid attention to this quirk - or if they have, they've provided no evidence of it in their releases. (And they should have - a Wisconsin poll needs to be structured very differently to be accurate, and that's something which any honest pollster ought to disclose.) The problem is that pollsters begin, right up front, by screening their sample. In general, they try to restrict it to likely voters - that is, to voters who are likely to cast their ballots in the Democratic Primary. So they ask something like: "Do you intend to vote in the Democratic Primary?" or "Are you leaning toward the Republicans or the Democrats?" But in Wisconsin, there's no such thing as the Democratic Primary - there's a single election and a single ballot that produces two sets of results. Questions of partisan identification, or of current partisan primary preference, are liable to screen out independent and GOP-leaning voters who, once they have an actual ballot in front of them, might well choose one of the Democrats. And every poll that's reported partisan cross-tabs, in Wisconsin and elsewhere, shows Obama dominating that demographic.

Hooray for FlyOnTneWall!

I think you should post this on your blog if you haven't already. Very well done.

Here are eight further reasons to think Obama should be winning by more than the polls suggest:
(1) TV ads have more influence with the less educated, more bluecollar voters than with the more educated, and more whitecollar voters. As reported at TPM and elsewhere, Hillary's campaign has put only a pittance into TV ads in Wisconsin, namely $200,000 in total. Meanwhile Obama's campaign has spent four times more money on TV ads in Wisconsin. (You know Hillary's campaign has raised around $140 million -- thus $200,000 is truly pittance).
(2) Obama's endorsements include the governor, the mayors of the two largest cities, the Democratic leader of the state's senate, at least 15 state assembly members, the state's largest newspaper, lots of local trade unions, and more.
(3) A substanial minority of the Wisconsin population lives in the Chicago metropolitan area, where Obama's been getting loads of positive media attention for years. Roughly it's about 25 percent although putting a hard number on it is subject to definitional issues.
(4) The more western and northwestern parts of Wisconsin should be expected to vote at least to some extent like in neighboring Minnesota, where Obama won by a giant margin.
(5) Obama has showed up and campaigned in lots of Wisconsin's smaller cities, and Hillary has not.
(6) In the 2004 Wisconsin Democratic primary, a little over half of the turnout did not have college degrees. This compares with two-thirds in the 2008 Democratic primary in Missouri (and Obama won in Missouri). Thus the education-level demographics are significantly more favorable to Obama in Wisconsin than they were in Missouri.
(7) Oft stated opinion and now conventional wisdom among many Democrats living in more-Republican localities is that Obama would have better coattails for them in November. We've all seen this opinion clearly associated with big wins for Obama in strongly Republican states, and it should be a factor in certain parts of Wisconsin.
(8) Back in late November and December, the opinion polls in Wisconsin showed Obama behind Clinton by about 10% (averaging the polls reported at realclearpolitics.com). At that same time Obama was losing by 20% and more in the great majority of other states. You know, most other states have since moved hugely towards Obama since Iowa. But apparently Wisconsin hasn't. Why not? My opinion is that Obama's pre-trumpeted economic statement delivered in Jainsville near the start of his Wisconsin campaign fell very flat and failed. It was billed as beefy, insightful and astute and it was none of those things. Obama's gotten no lift from his visits to Wisconsin because he modified his message and emphasis in Wisconsin in a way that didn't work.

The new Public Policy Polling poll for Wisconsin has Obama leading among women, Democrats, whites, and people age 46-64. This means Obama is going to win Wisconsin comfortably. There's no way that anybody's poll could return Obama winning in all those particular categories without him actually winning on the day. How big his margin will be on the day is dependent on the turnout size of Independents.

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Once again, Fly, you're right on the money!

Indeed, Fly, my own dad, nearly 91 now, and a lifelong repub voter, double-checked with me yesterday about whether he needed to publicly ask for a different ballot. He's very private about his vote and I believe he'll vote Obama... think of that...at nearly 91! But it's due to not having to publicly state a preference for party or type of ballot.

As of 2/16 pollster.com had Obama up 3 pts, within sampling error.

http://www.pollster.com/08-WI-Dem-Pres-Primary.php

There is million a slip between cup and the lip.

While polls have done little to reassure people- it does show Clinton closing in on Obama by the hour. Also, exit polls show those who make up their minds in the last day or two usually tend to vote for Hillary.

The current polls are good news to Hillary. She has done a fabulous job in lowering expectations in a state with demographics that correlates with her voting pattern. So even a modest win will appear Herculean for her, while even a Herculean win for Barack will seem expected;

The only battle HRC camp has won since Feb 5 is the PR war. Obama has won eight states in comparision.

I think Obama's presence in this state over the last week is what will carry him. He didn't just arrive here on Saturday for the first time unlike someone elss. He's been here campaigning in front of thousands for a week and getting lots of press coverage. The first-time voters and young vote will be crucial.

HRC could definitely pull it off, but I think she'll lose and when that happens, she'll realize she blew a huge opportunity. By foregoing the state to focus on Ohio and Texas - a state where they didn't even understand the friggin' rules of delegates vs. pop.vote until recently - she could have really gotten some momentum back.

Ahhh, speculation, speculation. Enoguh of it already. Is it tomorrow yet?

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The stakes are high for both parties here.

Obviously, Hillary has to keep it reasonably close, as everyone has remarked. How close is open to interpretation, of course.

But Obama pretty much has to win it to keep anything resembling momentum going. If he loses it, and loses that perception of momentum, what does he have going for him when he enters TX and OH? If he can't win in the far more favorable ground of WI, how might he possibly win in TX, OH, and, eventually, PA?

To prime the narrative that a Hillary win in Wisconsin would be an "upset" may be conventionally "wise," but it is just plain wrong. And it is wrong for the same reason that it was wrong for every political writer in the country to post-game Hillary's 3-point "victory" in New Hampshire, along the (head)lines of "Oooooh, Hillary Shocker in NH," when polls had her leading by often-large margins for all of 2007 -- and by 16 points, as late as January 2.

The fact is, polls had Hillary leading in Wisconsin, too, for all of 2007 -- by 22%, as recently as September, and still by 13% in December.

Indeed, as Jeff Greenfield points out in this clear-eyed, fact-checking, absolutely must-read analysis, Wisconsin's demographics are at least as favorable -- perhaps more so -- to Hillary, as to Obama.

Every state has its own demographic mix and its own set of voting trends. The only legitimate reason to credit a win as an "upset" is if it "upsets" the expectations that flow from those state-specific factors.

In Wisconsin, those factors indicate that Hillary has no excuse not to win. Fair enough that, if Hillary does win, she will have managed to raise a single exception to her pathetic losing streak and Obama's stellar post-Super Tuesday run.

But we will not know whether that exception has any value, until we see how -- or whether -- she is able to leverage it in the states that follow.

Certainly, Hillary will deserve no "extra credit" for doing something -- winning Wisconsin -- that she should have done anyway.

Extend this argument to the whole campaign and you have it: Hillary was the inevitable candidate and her campaign team assumed that Super Tuesday would be doomsday for Obama. The whole campaign is a story of high expectations unmet by Hillary, so now the "underdog" strategy is to lower expectations, which in light of Obama's 8 state surge, is a losing strategy because it confirms the public's perception of you as a loser.

This whole debacle goes to Mark Penn who has been designing the campaign's message. Half the Hillary team desperately want him to go away.

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Sorry, guy, but the basic fact is that if Obama can't beat Hillary in ground as favorable to him as Wisconsin, then what major state from here on out can he possibly be expected to win?

In the end, you can only tout the huge advantages that Hillary supposedly has so much, and pretend that Obama is the "underdog". Obama has been effectively even or ahead in pledged delegates and votes literally from Day One in the actual contests -- having won the very first one, IA.

If he can't win WI, I don't see how he's likely to win any major states here on out -- and in fact I'd expect him to lose big time in TX, OH, and eventually PA.

That does NOT look like the election profile for a winning Democratic candidate.

Touche. Nice argument. Now give us your scenario if Obama DOES win in Wisconsin. I mean just for the sake of argument, not saying he will win.

frankly0:

There's a logical fallacy in your argument, and it's the one that Mark Penn recently pointed out: success in Democratic primaries is not actually predictive of success in the general election.

That's worth bearing in mind. We've seen more than a few polls out of states where Hillary leads, that show Obama running more strongly than Hillary in the general election. That's because he draws more support from swing voters, and she draws more support from core Democrats, who will back the nominee in any case. (Of course, as Penn points out, it's a long way to November, and it would be foolish to invest those early polls with too much weight. It's also possible that Hillary would be able to carry states in November that she lost to Obama in the spring.)

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It's certainly true that success in the Democratic primaries does not predict success in the GE necessarily.

But you're just wrong to imagine that success with independents at this stage is a good index for success with that group in the GE. Nothing is more predictable than that 1) a fresh, "undefined" face can seem very attractive to independents and 2) the Republican attack machine can readily define that fresh face as a far out liberal (see, e.g., Michael Dukakis).

And Obama's real problem is that he continues to have great difficulty winning over white blue collar Democrats. Those democrats can as easily be made into McCain Democrats as they once were into Reagan Democrats. The same Republican attacks on Obama as a far out liberal will resonate with this demographic as it will with independents.

If Obama can't make serious inroads into that set of voters, it can't be good for his claims to electability.

frankly0:

I thought I acknowledged that the situation was fluid. Sure, Obama's appeal to swing voters might simply be a function of his novelty, and appeal that will wear off with time. On the other hand, it might be accentuated by the contrast with the 71-year-old Republican nominee. And yes, he might lose white working class voters to McCain, who could potentially reclaim Reagan Democrats. On the other hand, Obama has embraced the sunny optimism that drew those voters to Reagan, so perhaps he'll steal them back.

My point is this. The reason we have elections is that the results are unpredictable. The best we can do is attempt to project results in the future. You're offering plausible arguments that may dim Obama's appeal; I'm pointing to actual vote returns that suggest that, as things stand, that appeal is considerable. Given the choice between speculative claims and actual returns, I'll take the latter. But I do so with caution - I know their promise is uncertain. I'd urge you to apply a similar dose of skepticism to the claims of both campaigns, not just to the one you oppose.

Since when is WI a state favorable for Obama, sure he is ahead in the polls now but they have always said that the demographics of WI favor Hillary.

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franklyo - If Obama wins Wisconsin tomorrow everything you typed is meaningless. Why not wait 30 hours before sticking your neck out on something as silly as a guessing game?

I love how the Obamatrons have adopted the media's logic on republicans and applied it to Obama. From what I read here, if Obama wins, it is a sure sign he is "the one". If he loses, it is still good for Obama because it just proves he is the underdog.

I think it works like this:

* If Obama wins in a blowout, his momentum continues but everyone still talks about Texas and Ohio and the media narrative doesn't change much. Hillary is a little more trouble, but since the media has largely decided she is toast there is not much new to the story. It just adds to the drama for March 4, but doesn't change the dynamic.
* If Hillary wins (small or big), then we hear wall-to-wall coverage about "the comeback kid" and how the Obama train is stalled, etc. His winning streak is forgotten as everyone talks about trends seen in Wisconsin just like they talked about trends seen in MD and VA.
* If it is a tie, or if Obama wins by only a small margin, then the story is that Hillary may not be able to pull it out, but that she definitely slowed the momentum of Obama. Of course, all you will hear is that she won because of negative attacks (omigod she said he wouldn't debate!).

Actually, the third scenario is probably the favored one for the media. They will get to write negative stories on both Hillary and Obama, and talk nonstop about the unity the republicans feel and how they are attacking Obama while the dems are still fighting.

The problem with being on a winning streak is that you either remain on the winning streak (not news) or you lose (big news). So there is a lot more media downside for Obama here.

Here are the results from the same polls going into Hillary's last big "comeback" in New Hampshire.

ARG: Clinton 31%, Obama 40% (Jan 6-7)
Research 200: Obama 34%, Clinton 33% (Jan 4-5)
Rasmussen: Obama 37%, Clinton 30% (Jan 5-7)
Strategic Vision (R): Obama 38%, Clinton 29% (Jan 4-6)
PPP (D): (Doesn't exist for NH)

Actual results in January 8 primary:
Hillary 39%
Obama 37%
Edwards 17%

Headlines from Kleefeld during this time (this is not a dig on Mr. K--just that he was the one reporting the polls):

Jan 7:
* Zogby: Big Iowa Bounce For Obama, None For McCain
* Marist: Obama Ahead By Eight Points In New Hampshire
* Rasmussen: Obama Up By Ten In New Hampshire
(This one includes the quote: "Some more bad news for Hillary Clinton is that her favorables are significantly lower than those of the other candidates..."
* Fox News: Obama Ahead By Four In New Hampshire
* Obama Takes The Lead In Suffolk Poll
* CBS: Obama Grabs Seven-Point Lead In NH
* Gallup: Obama And Hillary Tied — Nationally!
* CNN/UNH Poll: Obama Ahead By Nine Points

From Jan 8, before the results of course:
* Obama, McCain Carry Dixville Notch
* Obama, McCain Carry Hart's Location
* Final Zogby Poll: Obama Ahead In N.H. By 13
* Final Rasmussen Poll Gives Obama Seven-Point Lead In N.H.
* Suffolk Poll: Obama Five Points Ahead
* New Hampshire Towns Running Out Of Ballots, Especially For The Dems
* Nashua City Clerk: Indies Voting Heavily In The Dem Primary

From Jan 9, after the primary:
* Zogby: I Did Have Hillary Rising In NH — But I Couldn't Tell You
* ARG: We Had Hillary Closing The Gap — To Nine Points

Looks like across the board predictions for Obama, and across the board wrongness. Could be an interesting night.

pollster.com now showing Obama up by 5 (2/17)

http://www.pollster.com/08-WI-Dem-Pres-Primary.php

Latest Penn/Wolfson gem: Clinton campaign downplays
Wisconsin. They "do not believe in the momentum theory of politics."

I wonder how the good folks in Racine, Madison, etc. feel about being told their state is not crucial to Hillary's plans to occupy the White House. Maybe some of them will lose their incentive to go to the polls, or even go, but vote for Obama.

http://tinyurl.com/2qp78n

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Interesting results from the SurveyUSA presidential polling in Wisconsin, showing up on this site. This polling shows a net advantage of 17 points in favor of Obama when the McCain vs Clinton and McCain vs Obama choices are compared. Clinton is losing by 7 while Obama is winning by 10. SurveyUSA seems to be the most accurate in the primary season so far, with a 4.5% average error.

I agree that polling the presidential choice this far our is not terribly useful for what might really happen in November. On the other hand, the Wisconsin presidential polling now might correlate with what happens tomorrow in the primary vote, given the ease with which cross-over voting is allowed in Wisconsin.

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I think that it's interesting that some polls (such as PPP or whatever) have Obama leading Hilary more than other polls have McCain leading Huckabee, even though McCain is supposed to have already won this thing.

New Texas numbers from CNN. Cut to ensuing panic in Hillary hq.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/18/poll.texas/index.html

Ricosuave in a nutshell: "So basically no matter what happens tomorrow, Hillary wins."

SpaceCat in a nutshell: "I sure had to ignore lots of what ricosuave said to fit him in the nutshell!"

I thought my nutshell was "much more downside potential for Obama than Hillary because she is down and he is up."

Sorry my words were not clear. Perhaps they would be better if I borrowed them from Patrick Duval? (Note to all overserious Obama supporters: the Duval reference was intended as a joke. Guess I am saturated from seeing it covered wall-to-wall on CNN today. Yes...I am sick of the story, too. Wolf Blitzer can sure make the most trivial thing out to be important. If Obama wins, get used to that kind of crap.)

Polls have been bollsheet through this whole primary process. I'll believe it when I see it tomorrow.

There is no reason Obama *should* win WI.
Just because it is close to IL doesn't mean anything - there is no love lost between WI &IL that is for sure.

Other than the Madison area and some areas in Milwaukee, it is pretty conservative and blue collar. This is the state that had Tommy Thompson as govener for forever. That isn't to say it doesn't vote contrary (Russ Feingold) but it isn't a slam dunk by any means. IMO as a native, is it favors or disfavors both candidates equally - the wild card being the voting process which is fairly open.

I heard from a very reliable source that Hillary's internal numbers in WI are pretty pathetic and much worse than the reported polls (which is why she left early).

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Why are the Hillaries going on and on and on about polls and if Obama loses Wisconsin? The primary is tomorrow. This is a lot of wasted energy over nothing if Obama wins. Why make such a big deal now? If he loses tomorrow you'll have plenty to crow about. But if he wins you look like pathetic having made such a big deal about what his losing means.

Meanwhile, where's the blue Smurf girl? At least she's cute and amusing.

We have nothing better to do. I would hang out in Starbucks instead, but the couches are all full of folks with Obama T-Shirts.

Beware of Obama! As a former supporter I urge everyone to read this important article and then judge for yourself if you think supporting him would be the best for our nation.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19370.htm

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Can Eric Kleefeld explain why if Hillary wins Wisconsin, it will be what he describes as a "surprise comeback?"

Hasn't she had a large lead in Wisconsin for months?

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The only outlier is American Research Group, who have had a pretty good record this cycle of getting it wrong.

Were there past cycles where ARG had a good record for getting it right? I remember souring on them during the Lamont-Lieberman general election contest, where ARG would show Lamont virtually tied with Lieberman, while everyone else had Joe up by 10% or more.

Uh-oh! A gaffe by Michelle.

A commenter at dailykos said that Michelle Obama said on radio in WI that this was the first time in her adult life that she is proud of her country because people are embracing change. No quotes. This a paraphrase. The commenter says this comment has had a lot of radio play in WI and some backlash.

It is hard without a direct quote and a context to make something of this, but even if meant in the best possible way, it comes across off-key. It sounds like she meant well, but her words do not seem to fit her sentiment. She is celebrating change, but expressing it in an awkward way.

Oh well. Any damage she does to Obama is a lot less than the damage Bill has done to Hillary. In the Newsweek profile of her she seems to be very much mainstream America, and not likely to diss her country. Bad choice of words, but it could cause Obama some worry, not that he needs it right now.

Right now, aside from trying to win in Wisconsin, the two side issues on his plate, the McCain funding dust up and the Gov. Patrick speech-lifting (it is not plagiarism whatever Hillary says), the more bothersome really is the speechifying thing because that is where his strength is supposed to be. The funding thing, people are going to toss aside as everyday politics, but using his friend's words leads to a perception that he is not as inspirational as he appears. That is nonsense, but here perception matters, and he just has to deal with it.

My feeling is that he can overcome this lapse by beginning to show more of his platform for change, and rely less on speechifying. It should be no problem for him because he has many well-developed ideas, but now he needs to articulate them in public. He should also gradually begin to introduce us to some of the very savvy people in his corner, for example, his economic and foreign policy advisers like Robert Reich and Samantha Powers, his security adviser like Gen. McPeak.

In a way these crises can help him mature in the long run. As the Chinese say, in every crisis their is opportunity. Here is an opportunity for Obama to show that yes, he can.

Just noticed ARG has a new poll taken on the 17th & 18th that has Obama up 52/42. Lining up their last three polls shows clear trending toward Obama and away from Clinton. Smallish samples, and big shift in two days, but perhaps there's something to the notion that Obama supporters are less likely to be home on Fri&Sat nights, and more likely to be home on Sunday and Monday.

I think this just demonstrates how desperate the clinton campaign is that have lost 8 straigth elections. There campaign is on life support with the lost of two key staffers last week--you would think they all would be talking to voters. They have applied the Rovian techniques of politics. Do we want this for the next 8 years? The slash and burn politics of the clintons. Bill looked like he has lost his mind, arguing and fighting with whoever, whenever he gets an opportunity. They should lock him up and throw away the key. He has totaly lost it. Obviously this is not about the American people because she is alienating voter if she is lucky to get the nomination, but she will not win the general. This is not about money because if you can loan your campaign $5 million you are certainly not broke. This is why she refuses to release her tax returns. This is totaly about power. They cannot afford to lose this campaign and they will destroy anyone who gets in their way. No tomorrow Wisconsin on Hillary! The country you save may be your own. This is much ado about nothing. They have been trying all week to get Obama on something and nothing else would stick and this will not either. Voters are much smarter than the clinton campaign think.

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