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Poll: Obama Up By 19 In Maryland Primary

The new SurveyUSA poll of Maryland gives Barack Obama a big lead for this Tuesday's primary, with 52% support to Hillary Clinton's 33%. The demographics: Whites are a dead heat with Hillary at 42% to Obama's 40%, and Obama leads among African-Americans at 71%-18%. Another thing Helping Obama: Hispanics make up only 3% of the expected electorate.

In conjunction with today's SurveyUSA poll of Virginia, which had Obama up 20 points, he definitely looks like he's in good shape for this Tuesday's Potomac Primary, when a total of 168 delegates will on the line between these two states and the District of Columbia.


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This is especially good considering that SUSA has seemed to either have overestimated Hillarys leads/underestimating Obamas wins (MO, SC) or gotten it very close to right (CA, NJ, NY). I'm not sure about this, but I can't remember a poll where they were wrong in Obama's favor (ie, showing him with a larger lead/smaller loss than he got).

Yes! I live in Baltimore and most of my friends and going for Obama. Even though I am Hispanic, I am going for Obama but my Parents want Hillary to win. Their reason is that Bill Clinton "did great things for Hispanics." Also they don't really know who is Obama.
Cheers!

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No more polls. I don't care. I don't want to see another poll until the votes are counted. Polls lie, everyone has to vote regardless of who your candidate is.

I think the majority of the Asian and Hispanic vote is coming simply from the Clinton name recognition...I am an Indian (Asian) who supports Obama and I was able to convince my parent to support him as well, but my aunt and uncle...they say the same thing "Clintons did great things for the Asian community..."

Polls are B.S. in a close race like this.

I'd ask them to specify what the Clintons did specifically for Asian-Americans. I ran into this same issue with African-Americans (young and old) and when the question is put to them, most come up blank. This isn't to say that Clintons' didn't do a lot of positive things for most Americans during the 90's. It's just that I'm hard pressed to find things that they did specifically for the sole benefit of a particular identity group.

For those of you who support Barack Obama, PLEASE go to

www:freedomsenemies.com/_more/obama.htm

These are his own words from his book, friends and family. He was right when he said that no politician is clean. He is just as dirty if not more so than the rest. Some new change. He is not an outsider he's in the Senate. Why did he go along with supporting the war once he had the power to vote against it? What a hypocrite. I feel sorry for those who were taken in by him.

He has taken the great words of JFK and MLK and used them for his own. What a fraud. Yes the U.S. desperately wants change. They want change from George W Bush and it doesn't matter who it is. Obama wants you to believe in the words that he says but it's not what he believes in his heart.

Spam, spam, spam, spam. Glorious spam!

Jennie3233,

I can be sharp, even acid, with other commenters at times, but I believe that we, as Democrats, have some obligation to try to engage each other idea to idea, and thought to thought. I believe we should always strive to engage in a battle of ideas rather than descending into the kind of personal attacks that are so typical of the people on the far right of the blogosphere. For that reason, with a very few exceptions, I try very hard to refrain from directly insulting the intelligence or character of posters here.

Those few exceptions have been commenters who spread such foul, infamous lies that they are either knowingly slandering a candidate, and thus deserve what they get, or else are such gullible fools that there's really nothing to be lost by trying to verbally smack some goddammed sense into their heads.

Welcome to that small group, Jennie3233.

If you truly believe everything you read on that website, you are such a hopeless, drooling imbecile that it is pointless to try to educate you or reason with you. Your mind is enslaved by ignorance and lack of critical thinking skills and no one can free you from that slavery, you can only free yourself.

On the other hand, If you don't really believe that steamy pile of halftruths and logical fallacies yourselv, but hope there's someone here who is so stupid that they will, kindly go fuck yourself.

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Jennie, hillaryis44.org, that's your site. The lies and distortions don't work in the real world. Go there and have fun.

Michael A: She's actually not a Hillbot. This is the first wave of the Republican smear campaign.

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Now that the majority of Edwards pre-voters have been cleared out by stuper twosday . . . The Obaminites are going to have more to celebrate than the Clintiods.

When mediocrity is the best you are offered it is best to chose the one who sucks less.

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glad you are not bitter or anything. Since you are such an avid fan, could you please point me to a link that shows what Edwards was doing for "the middle class" prior to this election?

And his photo op in LA was really his first move on his campaign. I am not saying I doubt his veracity, jus that I am curious as to his long term dedication.

Haha, somehow I knew that site Jennie posted was a bunch of shit, I didn't even bother to click on it, and turns out I was right. Gotta love asshole Hillary supporters and their lying crap..

Is lying contagious? Did they catch it from the Clintons or do they coach supporters on it?

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wwjb, is this another part of a Republican campaign?

Repub operative #1 says something negative about Democratic candidate A (Hillary Clinton in this case), Repub operative #2 responds by placing blame on Democratic candidate A's supporters or organization.

It's a Republican win win win. Spread the initial negative on A, to start. The second hit heaps on more negative about A and her / his supporters. The final win (goal) for this type of two pronged hit job is to sow the perception of infighting, weakening the Democratic Party. Divide and concur, as the saying goes.

So wwjb, are you an Obama-bot (a variation on your Hillbot usage in a previous post) blindly advancing the Republican cause or a Repub-bot? If you are neither, my apologies.

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What a goof I am.

My details were wrong, but if restated, I believe my point still valid.

Post 1(Jennie3233) bashes candidate A (Obama). Post 2(wwjb) bashes post 1 as opponents (Hillary) supporter meanwhile getting more tantalizing exposure to Post 1’s “info”.

No wonder he's up in the polls. I just saw a lead story on Anderson Cooper 360 and he put up a graphic with Hillary's face inside a devil graphic. I am not making this up. Media bias has gone too far.

The important thing to take away from these polls aren't the raw margins, it's the cross-tabs.

In Maryland, SUSA says

Obama leads Hillary with women, 45-39. Voter comp is 40% black, so that could explain it...

HOWEVER, they also find that

With hispanic voters, Obama is neck-and-neck with Hillary, 48-42.

They also show Obama dominating the 35-49 vote to the same extent he dominates the 18-34 vote, which can't be explained solely by the large portion of African-American voters.

They also show Obama winning (tho not dominating) 50-64 vote.

These are all terrible signs for Hillary

In Virginia, where blacks are only 28% of the vote:

Obama handily beats Clinton with women, 55-44

Like Maryland, Obama dominates 35-49 to the same extent he does the under-35 vote, taking it 64%-34%. Not only does he also win the 50-64 vote comfortably (9 points), but he's within 5 points on the 65+ vote. I'd love to see if AA votes are equally distributed across age groups or not, but those numbers sound bad for Hillary.

Also, he tires her in whites (49-49), is at 40% with Hispanics, and beats her with "others" 52-48.

That is Obama taking huge chunks out of her coalition and adding it to his own.

She has similar things to be worried about in SUSA's Washington cross tabs from before Super-Tuesday. In a state with little black participation, Obama is stat. tied with her among women, dominates the under-50 vote and ties 50-64, handily wins hispanics 61-37 and handily wins Asians 58-24...and of course wins whites by 10, too.

He wins amongst non-college grads (a former Clinton strong-hold), and in a state that's often characterized as having wildly different political leanings across regions, he wins every single region sampled, from the more working-class or armed-services-oriented areas to the west coast liberal strongholds.


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Just, wow. Nicely pointed out. Still, I feel I need to point out that this is only one survey, and the effects of the Clinton-Shuster spat haven't surfaced in polling yet. There's a lot to be said for solidarity.

Sheesh, you'd think the media would lay off her if only because they ought to realize it only revitalizes her campaign.

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Interesting data, Mike. Thanks.

Sam49958,

Not that I think that painting devil horns on Clinton is exactly going to convince someone to vote for Obama instead but truth in journalism and all that:

Please provide a link, transcript or other verification for this. It seems quite bizarre unless there was a context that you are omitting.

In other news: in a speech in Omaha on Friday, Hillary decided to use Obama's "Yes we can!" slogan.

I can't wait for Hillary's next slogan: "What he said!"

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I thought it was "Yes she can!" If you're right, that's just pathetic. Thank goodness the primaries aren't like a college essay, because Obama would win on consistency alone.

From what I read (can't remember where now) she extended the slogan to "Yes, we can, and Yes, we will!" or some such. I guess that's supposed to emphasize her ability to actually get things done. The more I think about it, the perfect analogy is Obama:Google as HRC:MS. He innovates and inspires, she "embraces" and "extends". Microsoft isn't doing so well these days either.

I love how the media (who cannot see beyond identity politics) & irrational Hilary backers (who feel her years supporting Bill through infidelity makes her due the presidency) keep raising the bar and minimizing the movement that supports Sen. Obama.

First it was was, "Well, he is only winning cuz of Blacks."

Then it was, "He is only winning cuz of Blacks and young people."

Then it was, "He is only winning cuzzing of Blacks, young people, and higher income educated Whites."

Now its, "He is only winning cuz of Blacks, young people, higher income Whites, and in caucases"

Soon they won't have a constitency except divorced White women between 40-45years old, making 25-40k a year. You cant win an election like that.

I don't know whether this is because he is African American, relatively young, or because they had assumes for the last 6 years she would run unopposed. Whatever the reason it is becoming tiresome.

I wonder what will be the excuse when he wins Nebreaska with its lower income, mainly White population and its primary election. I'm sure it will be something.

Invictus said:
I wonder what will be the excuse when he wins Nebreaska with its lower income, mainly White population and its primary election. I'm sure it will be something.
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Dude - It's a red state. Hillary doesn't need to win those. C'mon, Obama won't carry those places in November. Hillary only wins where it MATTERS!

Go Cornhuskers!

Lady Eagle writes:

Most men do not get why Hillary Clinton is upset. It has nothing to do with politics or debates. It has to do with a mother protecting her daughter.

You may want to go back and re-read this thread. I don't know how many men are writing (I am male), but I do know most posters here "get it". I addressed this issue myself.

But here is a question: If HRC is a "Mother protecting her daughter" then why is the mother putting the daughter into the front lines of a campaign? Answer: she *used* to protect her daughter until about the NH primary when the Clintons realized that they were actually going to have to work for the nomination and that Obama had them eclipsed in the youth-vote. It was only then that we saw Chelsea.

You may also know that HRC had Chelsea call the women on the View to ask them to vote for her mother. Now, this simply isn't working the phones, it's quite calculated -- because the Clintons knew this would end up on television.

Which is did:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/06/chelsea-clinton-calls-vi_n_85306.html

Which brings me back to: if HRC is trying to protect her daughter, why is the daughter thrust out into the campaign in such a visible active way?

MSNBC actually had the right point, but expressed it poorly.

But they still had the right point.

Not that this is on subject, but I posted this on that Anti-Obama/Hillary site:

This is some of the most baseless non-sense I've ever heard in my entire life. I don't even know why I'm even responding to this ridiculousness. If you don't support Obama, say it, and go on. Don't just lie to people to make them not support him.

Wild conspiracy-theory Obama Muslim nonsense.

Experience? Reagan? An actor? Bush? An AWOL war hero? A uniter, as we were told before we elected him. He was Anti-nation-building and stretching the army out before he was for it.

I STRONGLY dislike Hillary Clinton myself but neofascism? fascism is corporate-government. It can't get much more corporate government then it already is.

Dictionary definition of fascism:
a nationalistic and anti-Communist system of government.

I'm going to go read the bible so i can get this nonsense out of my head. Remember, Jesus saves so you might need to go pray after this.

M Miller,

"Dictionary definition of fascism:
a nationalistic and anti-Communist system of government.

I'm going to go read the bible so i can get this nonsense out of my head. Remember, Jesus saves so you might need to go pray after this."

I think you're lost. You may be trying to look for some anti-McCain/pro-Huckabee blog...

The only fascist reside in the war-mongering, civil-liberties violating, religioius neo-conservative edge of the Republican party.

BTW, all that praying didn't do much during the last administration. I reckon we ought to do some rational thinking and acting during this next one...

I dunno about that. After '84, I lowered my sights and prayed for Bush to not die while Cheney was V.P.

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Their panic is obvious. They are so scared of Obama, they have to make up reasons white people are supporting him. (What Invictus said.) Does anyone else think the media are utterly DUMBFOUNDED by Obama's success? It doesn't go with their little just-so story about middle-America's supposedly conservative values.

And great news about the polls!

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I think it's more than the media panicked about Obama. Remember we have an administration and military/intelligence gathering industry that is siphoning off taxpayer money... so that instead of a government taking care of its people, we have a criminal dictatorship where DoJ enforces dictatorship policies, war uses up people and machines, to gain oil for the war machine and war companies... and the populace is deprived of health care, infrastructure, and checks on corporations. Bill and Hill are part of that system. McCain is part of it.

Obama is our best hope to try and get back a government Of the People, For the People. Right now we have govt Against the People.

It's a De Facto Dictatorship. And Obama has signed a pledge to uphold the Constitution. Hillary has not.

It's not just the Media. Though the media is an important part of the de facto dictatorship.

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http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/08/anti-obama-film-on-the-way/

" A conservative group -– Citizens United (headed up by David Bossie) -– that has produced a film now in distribution attacking Hillary Clinton called “Hillary, the Movie,” has its sights set on a new target: Barack Obama.

The group has budgeted about $1 million to produce a documentary film about Mr. Obama that is set to be distributed this summer. At the moment, Citizens United has its researchers poring over Mr. Obama’s records as a community organizer, state legislator and United States senator in the same way that it scoured Mrs. Clinton’s record with a highly critical eye and a sharply conservative point of view. "
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The Press muleheadedly refuses to properly vet Barack. After all white candidates throughout history have undergone this rite of passage. Barack is good at telling folks how good his campain is.

The Brother can sure sing but, can he dance? Bush showed he could out-danced Gore and Kerry. Bill out-danced Bush the elder and Dole. And what a dance. A sight to behold for sure. Even Hillary has shown she can dance too. Each withstood everything the Press could uncover.

Is it a matter of respect? Requiring Barack to undergo the vetting process would mean that he is equal to his peers. Treating him with kid gloves to appease the more thin-skinned seems to show two things. The Press is intimidated by said thin-skinned and the possible presence of deep racial animus on the part of the Press. The Press may not want to face a possible back-lash and it's easier to avoid the confrontation that vetting would bring and still maintain a feeling of superiority.


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Bush was never properly vetted. He went AWOL.

Explain to me, please, exactly what this "vetting process" you Hillaroids guys keep talking about is.

Is "vetting" having the MSM assign reporters full time to dig relentlessly through every business transaction and personal relationship you've ever had? Sorry, both Chicago papers have done that and did it for years. The worst thing, and the only thing, they found was Tony Rezko.

Is "vetting" having the most ruthless oppo team ever assembled by a political machine renlentless dig through every business transaction and personal relationship you've ever had? Check. Worst thing they found was an essay he wrote in kindergarten.

Is "vetting" having rightwing lunatics make crazy shit up about you? That doesn't strike me as a legitimate form of "vetting," unless you're solely interested in the response, but, hey, he's BTDT too. And, p.s. and by the way, his response--cutting off Fox News cold--showed the MSM and everyone else running, including Hillary, that a presidential candidate could fight back against false narratives from the MSM, that the old "don't pick a fight with people who buy ink by the barrel" saw didn't apply when those people needed access to you to do their jobs.

Do you think for a minute that Hillary would have been so uncautious as to put her smackdown on MSNBC if Obama hadn't already showed it could be done? Okay, as a Hillaroid, you probably do, because you've bought into the rough, tough, two-fisted fightin' pol PR. The truth, however, is that Hill and Bill never picked a fight with the MSM until Obama and Edwards showed it was possible to win. Before that, they were always careful not to take on the MSM directly, because they bought into the "don't pick a fight with people who buy ink by the barrel" CW.

I digress. Do you mean, by "vetting" having the NYT and the WaPo gullibly vomit a bunch of ridiculous non-scandalous info onto its front page that has already been investigated and dismisssed by the candidate's local papers years earlier? Hey, they've done that to him too. Or perhaps you've missed those smarmy John Solomon stories in the WaPo before he finally moved to his true home. thankfully, thanks to the blogs and to the candidates themselves deciding enough was enough, they didn't get away it this time.

Nope, I suspect that when you people talk about "vetting," you really mean the discovery and publication of real dirt. No dirt, no "vetting," the perfect cynical tautology. If you can't find dirt, that in itself is a source of concern to you guys.

And that's exactly the difference between us, isn't it? You guys quite literally cannot concieve that there's anyone who doesn't have a dozen walk-in closets full of skeletons and if they're not turning up, that in itself is a source of fear, uncertainty and doubt.

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"The brother sure can dance"?

Sheesh.

This is how small people try to bring down people they're afraid of. Pardon me while I search through your trash. I'm only vetting you -- for the greater good, you understand.

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"Hillary, The Movie" has had exactly what impact on Clinton's popularity levels among Democrats? Almost none, that's what. It's clear from the NYT story you link to that the film outfit is clearly on the looney side of the political spectrum. I mean, they use Dick Morris and Ann Coulter as their experts on HRC? Come on. The documentary hasn't tarnished her; a documentary on BO won't tarnish him.

A poll from Jennie3233's link:
What qualifies Obama to be President?
Experience
Military service
Articulate
Ethnicity
Religion
Oprah likes him
He cares
Nothing

Notice the Hillary talking points?

The black vote is keeping him afloat. They are voting for him without thought. Just because he's black. He is the black candidate. They need to think. They will not. Understandable but sad.

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Kefa,

Don't you think a big part of it is the fact that Hillary used offensive race-baiting tactics in order to try to beat him? There were all kinds of statements made that would be offensive to an every-day black person, such as the "Sidney Poitier" comment, the "Cool Black Friend" comment, The Drug Dealer accusation, the Jessy Jackson comment from Bill. Now I realize you don't think those things were racist but do you really think the average African American is going to vote for someone who's campaign puts this stuff out?

Hillary was polling really well with African Americans before NH and NV.

Kefa:

Why are non-blacks voting for him?
Why does Obama get the college educated white vote and Hillary the high school graduates?

More importantly, under what circumstances can blacks be given credit for an intelligent vote? When we vote for white candidates?

Is it intelligent to vote for Hillary because she's a woman, or because you liked Bill, or because you don't know the other guy (because you couldn't be bothered comparing their records), or because you don't want a president with an Arabic name, or because she has said "35 years experience" so many times that you believe it without thinking?

If as a black woman I vote for Hillary, I am accused of voting my gender.

If as a black woman I vote for Obama, I am accused of not thinking and reflexively voting my race.

If as a black woman I vote for a Republican, I am accused of being a self-hating Uncle Tom.

Pray tell, under what circumstances will my vote be respected as an intelligent one?

Here's one black man's reason for voting for Obama.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/02/the-unemotional.html

OBAMA '08

The female vote is keeping her afloat. They are voting for her without thought. Just because she's a woman. She is the female candidate. They need to think. THey will not. Understandable but sad.

Well what does qualifies him to be the Prez????
and don't go on a rant about anyone else just talk about him.

The over 50 vote is keeping her afloat. They are voting for her without thought. Just because she's 60. She is the older candidate. THey need to think. They will not. Understandable but sad.

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Snap

Pablo....thats bullshit.....the numbers don't prove it but the black vote numbers do.

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Just because he's black. He is the black candidate. They need to think. They will not.

Is that you, bill?

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Just because he's black. He is the black candidate. They need to think. They will not.

Is that you, bill?

Temperament, values, judgment, more in touch with people, hasn't pardoned people for money, constitutional law expert, 12 years in elected office, community organizing, Harvard Law School, ability to disagree without being disagreeable, treats people with differing views with respect, extremely bright, secure with himself, deep and subtle thinking on a wide range of issues, doesn't pander, potential to be a transformational as opposed to transitional president, potential to help Democrats get elected throughout the country, etc, etc.

The black vote is keeping him afloat. They are voting for him without thought. Just because he's black. He is the black candidate. They need to think. They will not. Understandable but sad.

"The over 65 vote is keepin her afloat. They are voting for her without thought. Just because she's older. She is the old lady candidate. They need to think. They will not. Understandable but sad."

"The women vote is keeping her afloat. They are voting for her without thought. Just because she's female. She is the female candidate. They need to think. They will not. Understandable but sad."

See how easy demagoguery is? See how it doesn't contribute to the conversation at all?

I guess the "black vote" kept Obama afloat in Iowa, NH, Utah, Connecticut, Missouri, Minnesota...I guess Obama didn't actually tie Clinton with the white vote in California, beat her among whites in New Mexico. I must be, I dunno, hallucinating or something.

Pablo....I asked for his. Never mind....that is the standard response I get. It's shes bad, the devil. I'm not surprised.

Kefa,

Hillary is running as a female candidate. Obama has not run as a black candidate - it's only the Clinton's who tried to tag him with that label, and have it backfire on them. The numbers clearly back up what I am saying - women are voting for her in disproportionate numbers, and judging from the quotes of many of them they are doing it mainly because she's a woman. As there are far more women than black voters, she gets a disproportionate advantage from women voters choosing solely on gender than he does from black voters choosing solely on the basis of race.

The fact is that people vote for candidates for a wide range of reasons that we might consider ridiciulous. I am always astounded at the reasoning of some individual voters who are quoted. Perhaps we should require an advanced degree in order to vote - oh, wait, that demographic goes for Obama.

Pablo

Pablo....thats bullshit.....the numbers don't prove it but the black vote numbers do.

Have you looked at the numbers? Actually, Obama's won far more without the "black vote" than Hillary has without what is, essentially, the old lady vote

On the polls.....SUSA they are good. It's gonna be a tough fight for HRC until the March 4th states come up.

Kefa,

You asked me what qualified him to be Prez? I answered. Clearly, you think the only acceptable answer is to have a long resume of being married to a famous politician, followed by 8 years a senator from New York. Sorry, Obama doesn't have THOSE qualifications.

Paul

btw I still say.....Clinton/Obama 08

She has the Superdel
She has the machine
She is smarter
You can cry.
You can have MSNBC/NBC carry all the hype for your guy they can carry.

She will win.
Take that to the bank.
Deep down you know it.
Obama will be VP and Prez after Clinton.

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No, no, no! Whoever wins will not choose the other one. Their campaign themes are incompatible. Not to mention that the veep MUST BE A WHITE MALE (preferable a Southerner). Sorry, that's just the way it is.

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I second that.

Nc Steve....not nice to tell someone that. Man up bro.

Sorry, cannot agree about Clinton being smarter. Obama is both smarter and, more importantly, wiser than Clinton.

And I must disagree about the inevitability of a Clinton win. Yes, until Super Tuesday I was secretly thinking you were right. But now, I no longer think that. I'm not certain of an Obama win, but it sure feels more and more likely.

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You see, Barack's resume is, to be generous, a bit light. He has little to draw upon. This is reflected in his stump speeches (the Brother sings rather than dances). Hillary's is a bit heftier, she can dance.

David Bossie's group, Citizen United will bring out their hate film only after Barack is given the party nod. His negatives will be driven up to where Hillary's are, which was a testament to their effectiveness. The Obama supporters help the Republican hate machine by mindlessly parroting the Republican talking points regarding Hillary's negatives.

Barack will face a three prong attack from McCain, fear, war and hate. Tear'ist uder every bush, war for 100 years and hatred of certain lifestyles and their values. McCain will wrap himself in the flag of patriotism and self righteousness. He will figuratively contrast Barack's 'short-pants' with his 'long-pants' asking how can you possibly think of putting someone who still wears short-pants into such a high position.

This three pronged attack coupled with the contrasts in gravitas and the effects of the Republican hate machine is what Barack will have to deal with. So will his supporters and the fawning Press who have so far muleheadedly refused to properly vet Barack.


As a fairly old white lady for Obama - these polls are very encouraging. Something needs to break one way or the other to move this on. Just winning today and Tuesday won't be enough. But winning really big might be and it might change her advantage in TX & OH. I was traveling in Ohio and Texas this week with my Obama button on. I seemed to get a positive reaction in Ohio. Maybe the state I grew up in will come around and support him. I think it's a tough place for him - but again if the demographics keep changing - if he can keep making inroads into the groups that have been supporting her - it can happen. I hope so. I do believe that the long term growth of the Democratic party will be greatly enhanced if the candidate the youth vote is so excited about -- wins.

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If we do fight for Obama, work for him, believe in him, vote for him, and the man goes down to defeat by the big-money machines and the merchants of fear, then what hope will we have left to hold on to?

Thus in the name of preserving hope do we disdain it. That is how a phobocracy maintains its grip on power.

Michael Chabon, WaPo, 2/4

Del moi.....this was proven it was press drove....if you are black and you need a reason and you don't want the label as being called yourself racist that was good enough. Obama has never nationwide done anything for black people to begiven this kind of solid support except his look of blackness. If you go back to his work in Chi. his work sucked. Ask the people there. His work in Congress for minorities, there is none, his work for the poor, there is none. Where is the work for the Yes we can people, there is none. All hype...all ego. All bullshit. All smoke and mirrors. Black people need a hero so fucking bad they will overlook this guy and they have soooo many other better people who can run. This guy is not ready to be in the office.

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Obama has never nationwide done anything for black people to begiven this kind of solid support except his look of blackness.
As an African-American, let me explain something, so we're clear.

I DON'T NEED A HERO. I need the best man for the job. I was going for Gore and Feingold, and am totally happy with Obama.

Tell me, who are these "better African-Americans" who could run for the office? Jackson Jr.? Harold Ford? Oh, maybe Alan Keyes or J.C. Watts!

Kefa,

Your anger at black people is rather scary. Are they the only ones who are not using judgment here? Your reasoning seems to be "it's self-evident that Clinton would be the better president", "black people are voting for Obama", thus "Black people are stupid/desperate/racist/whatever"

Clinton is now "owed" this election. Those of us who support Obama do so because we think he would be a better president. Period. I'm white and I'm voting for him. I suppose you think it's because I'm a man.

Give it a break already.

Pablo

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The man has had everything from his parking tickets to his IL Senate vote record, and office records that are left, scrutinized, poked, and prodded. There have been multiple news articles on everything from Rezko to "voting present", over and again. By every standard media measure, Obama has been found tested and ready to go on against McCain -- who's got more than a few vulnerabilities of his one, and who Obama has already gone toe-to-toe with in the Senate.

I'm going to say it again: If "Vetting" means "Beaten to death by the right wing until all that's left is survival", then we're going to run out of candidates pretty damn quick. We Democrats need to stop electing out of fear of what the GOP'll do, and elect from a strong base of "this is simply the best president for the job".

I believe Hillary Clinton has a 40% chance of winning Washington....here is why.Hillary has institutional support among Asians, like in Korean Town in Tacoma, and the international district in Seattle. Plus, Former Governor Gary Locke endorsed her, which will help among the Chinese-American population.

Second, Washington State likes to elect women for office. It has two woman senators and a woman governor.

Third Ron Sim, the county executive of King County has endorsed Hillary Clinton. Obama should have the edge in seattle, but Ron Sims will make it close.

Hillary will take Pierce County, especially in the ship building areas, such as Bremerton and Tacoma.

So far, the two Senators and the LT. Gov has endorsed Hillary.

Honestly, I think the margin of victory will come from the Asian population.

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Woodrow said: "The man has had everything from his parking tickets to his IL Senate vote record, and office records that are left, scrutinized, poked, and prodded. There have been multiple news articles on everything from Rezko to "voting present", over and again. By every standard media measure, Obama has been found tested and ready to go on against McCain -- who's got more than a few vulnerabilities of his one, and who Obama has already gone toe-to-toe with in the Senate."

I suspect the right wing hate machine, who will drive Barack's negative up a bit (to match Hillary's), will show you the error of your ways.

Pablo.....I have anger at black people....why some of my best friends are black lolololololololol. I love black people. Just ask them. They are just like family to me. lolololololololo. You idiot, what a thing to say, don't paint me with that stinkin brush.

ans Woodrow....I guess you being an african-american you can speak as an expert on the issue. Maybe others here are the same but have not stated but still do not agree with you.Some may feel he is NOT the best person for the job. Still alot of Black people and if you are black YOU KNOW are voting for him JUST BECAUSE HE IS BLACK and YOU NEED TO BE HONEST since you ARE AFRICAN-AMERICAN , just so we are clear.

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Kefa,

Already pointed out I wanted Gore or Feingold, initially. How might I prove I chose Obama because of policy, and not race?

Moreover, you might want to take a swing at that "better African-Americans to run for President" question I tossed your way.

Woodrow--Have you "vetted" Obama's March 2 speech to AIPAC? It is available at his website. As I read it (and maybe I'm missing something), he does not promise to bring the troops home. He promises to redeploy them throughout the Middle East. In this speech, he does not look like an anti-war candidate. He seems strikingly like McCain--albeit it more subtle. This subterranean hawkishness will not, I fear, prevent the Republican Attack Machine from making him look like some New Age version of Gore and Kerry. But should Obama get elected, his anti-war supporters may be in a for a big surprise.

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PhilTR,

I did read the speech when it came out. Put simply, he already had his plans out for re-deployment at that point. It was well known that he was pulling all troops out save a few. There's no indication in any plan he's submitted, that I'm aware of. where he even hints he's going to be putting all our troops in the Middle East -- and AIPAC would have screamed loudly had anyone taken that impression away. These are not people who play when it comes to US policy in the region, and they are old hands at parsing the slightest meaning in a politician's words on the region.

Moreover, what Obama is talking about in this passage:

we will redeploy our troops to other locations in the region, reassuring our allies that we will stay engaged in the Middle East.
is actually returning our troop levels in the Middle East to the status quo, with extra muscle. USSOCOM has been hit esp. hard by the Iraq War, and a lot of the training and liason missions tht got them the expertiese they use so well in Iraq are suspended.
Indeed, all of our troop levels in the Middle East are, of course, strongly affected by the war, and this passage is but a promise to not abandon the Mid-East entirely, but to continue the kind of liason and standing missions we've been doing there for decades, prior to the war.

Here's a passage from Obama's Foreign Affairs article where he talks about his overall troop concepts:

We should expand our ground forces by adding 65,000 soldiers to the army and 27,000 marines. Bolstering these forces is about more than meeting quotas. We must recruit the very best and invest in their capacity to succeed. That means providing our servicemen and servicewomen with first-rate equipment, armor, incentives, and training -- including in foreign languages and other critical skills. Each major defense program should be reevaluated in light of current needs, gaps in the field, and likely future threat scenarios. Our military will have to rebuild some capabilities and transform others.
So, from the beginning, he's never run as the "Anti-war" candidate. The "Anti-Iraq War" candidate? Sure. But as he himself said in That Speech, he's not opposed to all wars, just dumb ones. And he's already stepped out on his focus on hitting Terrorism, wherever it finds root. That's hardly the words of an Anti-War candidate.

And, to be certain, if Clinton could hit him on this, she would have -- and tried, with the Iraq speech website thing, which went nowhere fast.

So, again -- this is the scary vetting? Dude, I know all this, and I'm a freakin' programmer!

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The Press, like a promoter, is in the business of selling tickets to a knife fight. The greater the interest and the more even the match seems to be the greater the take. The Press is a for profit business. The polls suggest that the match is not only even but also of great interest.

The press has fawned over Barack to make it appear that he is evenly matched with Hillary. They have treated him with kid gloves. They've oohed and awed at his singing ability to the point of absurdity. The polls suggest they did their job well.

I suspect the "the urgency of now" might be seen as an ambitious politician's recognition of an opportunity to piggy-back on the novel situation of Hillary's run, for his own benefit. The Press evidently saw a good thing too.

How would Barack do in a knife fight with McCain? He won't.

PhilTR said "How would Barack do in a knife fight with McCain? He won't."

You have some weird fantasies, Phil.

Kefa, if that's a serious question, go here and read this blog entry. Hilzoy went through and gathered the facts she needed to make a rational decision and even provided links. You can disagree with her, but unless *you* are the mindless xxx-bot, you owe it to yourself to find out why people may disagree with you.

http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2008/02/obama-actually.html

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Heheh, guilty as charged!

Woodrow,

Thanks very much for the articulation of Obama's troop deployment in the Middle East views. His "faithful" do not see him in the light you just presented him. They think he is a New Age Peacenik. He does not disabuse them and caters to this fantasy ("fairy tale"). Does it trouble you he is presenting himself as the de facto anti-war candidate even though he clearly is not? Do you think that Mccain will be able to exploit this? FWIW, I assume Hillary and Obama will have virtually the same views of how to operate in the Middle East once in office and this is why she has not attacked him. Thanks.

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His "faithful" do not see him in the light you just presented him.
I'm an Obama volunteer. We know what our candidate stands for, and that he's far from a Peacenik. Indeed, much of the Peace movement has repudiated him because of these stances; there was a blog on here about Peace Movement protests against both Obama and Clinton in WA.

He's stood against the Iraq War, while also being clear about his support for a strong military. As he says, that was his stand on '02, and that's his stand today. He's commented endlessly about the need to rebuild the military, in both stump speeches and debates.

That you're conflating people's desire to get out of Iraq, and their support of Obama for his stance on that issue, with a desire to stop having wars is not followed through by any polling of American sentiment I'm aware of, nor by my experiences with my fellow Obama supporters. I'd be curious to see any evidence that, despite his many statements to the contrary, a segment of Obama supporters think he's going to stop War, or something of that nature. Or, for that matter, that he makes regular statements about being anti-War, as opposed to being against the Iraq War.

I am aware that this is a persistent meme, that we Obama supporters don't know what he stands for. And yet, that's true of any candidate, at any time. I'm sometimes baffled at this meme, as ignorance of his stances is not how I came to be a supporter.

I am less concerned in what Obama says he will do but what he has has done as a track record. Nothing that I consider of much importance to build ones ego to have the balls to think he SHOULD be the Prez. If I had his record and was in the Senate no way would I remotely think I was qualified to be the Prez of the United States. How can you people hand this guy the keys to the car at this point in time. The rest of the world thinks were crazy. Go read the international papers. They think we're frekin nuts. Bad enough with Bush. Just check and see what they think. I know the answers....who cares what they think, etc.... no way......Obama.no way.

I am not sure which international papers you are reading, because the international opinion I have been hearing has been as much if not more in favor of Obama than Clinton, and I am an American living overseas at the moment.

Just read the endorsement of another 'stupid' Americans who has been 'hoodwinked' by the 'Snake oil salesman' and is 'throwing the dice' by supporting a man 'unfit' to be president and with the 'arrogance' to think he should run:

Judge Patricia M. Wald, former Chief Judge, United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit; United States Judge, International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia; Member, President’s Commission on U.S. Intelligence Capabilities Regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction. She writes:

I have spent more than 40 years of my near-80 in public service as a federal judge, international judge, Justice Department official, and public interest lawyer. A veteran of the woman’s movement since its infancy in the 1960’s, an ardent Democrat, and an equally ardent supporter of women’s rights-to-choose, to work, to live as we see fit, and yes, one day to elect a woman President, I hail the advances in my life-time that have resulted in Senator Clinton’s dramatic bid for our nation’s highest office.

But legions of women my age have fought for the opportunity to be judged on our skills, talents and abilities, not on our gender. Perhaps we were naive, but we believed if we were allowed to enter the game alongside men, we would prove our worth. That is the standard by which, I believe, Senator Clinton’s candidacy should now be judged.

Which is prelude to why I support Barack Obama and why, with a troop of wonderfully gritty older women, I spent 8 days on the icy streets of Cedar Rapids, Iowa – with a return to the hustings in Delaware last week -- campaigning for Senator Obama.

As someone who cares deeply about transformation of the country in which my grandchildren will live and flourish, I have carefully assayed the dueling claims of Senator Clinton and Senator Obama to lead the nation. Senator Clinton proclaims a decisive advantage in experience that notably embraces her days as First Lady in the Clinton Administration of the 90’s as well as her more recent term in the Senate. While the Clinton administration had much to be proud of, it bore responsibility for troubling policies I encountered on the bench that contributed to overwhelming state and federal prison populations and streamlined the harmful process of committing youthful offenders to adult institutions.

Senator Clinton’s Senate career has frequently shown political expedience. Her acceptance of the Bush Administration’s rationale for going to war in Iraq without reading the National Intelligence Estimate, and her rejection of a modest proposal approved by the U.S. Sentencing Commission retroactively to reduce the harsh penalties for crack cocaine, hardly evidenced uniquely seasoned leadership qualities or demonstrated a bold force for change.

I find Senator Obama’s record fully as impressive as Senator Clinton claims for hers. His years organizing and unifying poor communities in Chicago gave him on-the-ground knowledge of conditions that a new President will surely need in tackling the still intractable issues of race and poverty. He has been an unswerving supporter of women’s rights to choose, despite the Clinton campaign’s misrepresentation of that record. He fought in Illinois for children’s health insurance and tax credits for working class families. As someone whose career has been in law enforcement; I admire especially his unremitting honesty and his respect for the law and its processes.

Senator Obama advocated ethics reform legislation, that was labeled by the Washington Post as “the strongest ethics legislation to emerge from Congress yet”. His opposition to the Iraq War even as others fell into lock-step behind a flawed and deceptive strategy, testifies to his mature judgment.

Much has been written about the hope and inspiration that Senator Obama brings to the young, but his words resonate with older voters as well. For me, these are not vague and amorphous qualities. I recall a time in the not-too-distant-past when many of my generation passionately believed in an alliance of Government and the people for positive social change. We sought out visionary leaders who could appeal to our inner angels. When Robert Kennedy said in 1968, “I dream of things that never were and ask why not,” he voiced our deepest longings, calling on us to go forth together -- black, white, Latino, poor, rich, young, old, male, female -- to challenge injustice and poverty.

Too often in the 40 years since, our political leaders have divided and polarized us. Our sights have been blurred and misdirected, our youth dispirited and politically apathetic. Today, Barack Obama offers us a road map to a common cause: “In the face of a politics that’s shut you out, that’s told you to settle, that’s divided us for too long . . . [we] can be one people, reaching for what’s possible.”

My grandchildren and their peers need not be seared by our failures and our mixed memories. I want them to be stirred by the same idealism that once stirred my generation. We should not deny them that chance. For all Senator Clinton’s talents, skills and accomplishments, Barack Obama provides the greater hope.

Yeah, what an 'idiot'.

OBAMA '08

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http://www.freedomsenemies.com/_more/obama.htm

It starts. The Obama supporters need to steel themselves against the onslaught. Whether or not this "research" is accurate is immaterial. The right wing hate machine will push it incessantly and will successfully drive up Barack's negatives to match Hillary's.

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You're late; not only have we already seen this piece, many, many people here have condemned it.

This assumption that only the Clintons know how to fight the Right Wing Hate machine, and that Obama will be thrashed, is...weird.

When the Kerry Swift Boat incidents occurred, everyone knew what he needed to do -- fight back. Speak out. Get on the media, and tell them the truth. And he didn't, and it worked because he didn't, not because the right-wing hate machine has some magical powers over American minds.

Contrast with just one incident, so far -- the Obama madrassa story. He made the truth clear, time and again, allowing the story no perch in the mainstream media. And that pressure caused CNN to very vocally debunk it, plus he locked FOX out until they stopped pushing it. He showed no fear, and they backed down.
Will they come back with it, again and again? Sure. But they're bullies, people. You stand up to bullies, show them no fear, and the American people will see them for their true colors. Hell, this is exactly what Clinton's doing now!

Both Obama and Clinton know that score, and how to beat it back. Kerry didn't.

Steeled? Man, we're already steeled. Have been for months. None of this is new, neither the accusations, nor the attack vectors.

I am totally amazed that just a few years ago the average American public would have nothing to do with anything that even remotely sounded like a Middle Eastern or Muslim name - TODAY -we are ready to elect a man to to the President of the United States of America who's name is "Barack Hussein Obama". No wonder the entire world thinks we are crazy! It's amazing how the media can talk the America people into anything!

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