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Poll: Obama And Hillary Tied In Texas

A new poll from Public Policy Poll (D) shows Hillary Clinton and Barack tied at 48% each for next week's primary.

From the internals: Obama wins the white vote 51%-44%, Hillary wins Hispanics 66%-27%, and Obama wins African-Americans 73%-27%.

PPP did not have a previous Texas survey for comparison.


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PPP pretty much nailed the Wisconsin vote, for what it's worth.

Sure, but if you will pardon my tedious quibbling, their poll came out two days before the election in WI, not a week before. I am not sure that this is quite a case-on-point precedent citation.

Those numbers point to an Obama win, because he will probably end up getting 80 percent plus support of the African American Community.

He will do much better with the Latino votes than shown here. Other than the Latinos in the Valley who vote in small numbers Hillary will not be getting that much love from the rest of them. I can't imagine HRC getting 27% of AA votes either.

Slightly off topic, but I do not know what to make of those Survey USA head-to-head polls in TX. I am not surprised that both democrats lose to McCain, but I am shocked that the gap is only in single digits in each case. Are we seriously to understand that both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama could be within striking distance of carrying Texas? I simply find this even more improbable than the Survey USA polls which showed Obama as the stronger GE candidate in NY. Mind you, I would be delighted to believe both those claims, but they just each seem so far-fetched to my mind.

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Yep, texas is in play. I know that you don't believe that florida is in play, so I am not surprised about you not believing texas is in play. Texas is probably a longer shot than florida, but it is doable. Think about it, four points:

1. Texas is alot more diverse than people think. Large hispanic and african american populations.

2. Massive young people turnout generated by obama. Usually don't vote, but this year they are going 2 to 1 for the dems, which incidentally is good for the party long term and has republicans petrified.

3. Republican cross-over and indies. The war is a huge issue. Not all republicans like the mccain military plan of being in iraq for 100 years. Indies are against that proposition by more than 2 to 1. Also, over 60% of americans want troops out within one year. That's not mccain's game plan.

4. Depressed republican turnout.

Texas is definitely in play, as is florida with obama. I would say no with clinton, because of her ability to rally the republican base, as opposed to the dem base.

From your lips to God's own ears, Michael. I would love to see the Republicans have to spend precious dollars keeping Texas in their column. Still and all, I am still having a hard time believing it. I want to, but I just do not see it yet.

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You raise a very, very, very good point, which is a by product of the huge ground operation of obama in ALL 50 states, as well as Dean's 50 state strategy. Local and state dem politicians in red states, they do exist you know, are hoping for obama to win and contest all 50 states, which he will if he wins. That will dramatically help the dem party in the long term and help local and state dems win elections. By writing off states, like the clintons want to do and kerry did, it hurts local dems big time. Also, by contesting states like texas it forces republicans to spend big bucks to counter the attack, which they don't have. Look out 08 could be a monster year for the dem party.

If she had any decency she'd stop attacking Obama now and just leave after the 4th. Going into this she didn't just have to win Texas or Ohio, she had to win them both, and by a landslide. She can't do it, the math doesn't add up (Penn admits this), and Democrats will never let her hijack this with superdelegates (and she won't even be able to because they are all going with Obama now), so there is ZERO chance she can win. She needs to quit backstabbing the Democratic nominee and leave, now.

C'mon "idiotic," we're waiting for it...

:-)

"this is EXCELLENT NEWS..."

C'mon!

tied at 48% is EXCELLENT NEWS!! for HILLARY!!

So in other words, it's in the bag for Obama. He's outperformed his polls significantly in recent races. As we all know, the more people see Hillary up close, the more they are reminded of why they never liked her. Conversely, the more people see Obama up close, the better he does.

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Nope, nothing is in the bag. Not until voting on 3/4. Polls lie all the time.

You're right Michael. Polls do lie...they've been overstating Clinton's position for weeks now compared to actual election results.

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Yeah, but remember NH and Cali, polls for both states were predicting a huge obama win and we all know what happened. I don't trust them at all. People have to get out and vote. Don't believe that its "in the bag." Get out and vote. There is early voting in Ohio and Texas. VOTE!

Hillary's "kitchen sink" strategy sure seems to be working wonders.

Anyone else incredibly excited for tonight's debate? I feel like Hillary is going to lose her shit.

I don't believe the numbers. PPP should be more open with their numbers. Based on my calculations they estimate the Hispanics vote at over 45% of the overall primary vote, and the white vote at a little over 10%. This is completely implausible, and skews the results heavily towards Clinton.

Calculations:
x=fraction of Hispanic vote
y=fraction of white vote
z=fraction of black vote

.66x + .27y + .44z = .48 (Clinton's numbers)
.27x + .73y + .51z = .48 (Obama's numbers)
x + y + z = 1 (total is 100%)

Solution:
x = .4868
y = .3947
z = .1184

Oops, I meant y=fraction of black vote
z=fraction of white vote

Don't get cocky and sanguine. I agree, everyone should campaign like we're 15 down. I'm from California, and the polls showed an edge for Obama and he lost... same in NH. So I'm mindful of history. Don't just coast and think it'll be a cakewalk from here on.

Btw, if you know about the phonebank tool, it might be a way for people to siphon off some of that partisan energy into russlin' up votes. my.barackobama.com.

"Are we seriously to understand that both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama could be within striking distance of carrying Texas?"

Yep.

I'm eager to see how the map looks once all of the states have been polled and the primaries are done. The Republicans should still be ahead in a bunch of states, but it's looking like the Democrats are going to knock 10% or so off of their lead in a lot of the deep reds. Alabama seems to be the only exception so far.

Of course this means that the Republicans will either have to send their 72-year old candidate on a 50-state tour instead of a 30-state one, or risk having Mr. Popularity stump on his own in half the country. As Hillary Clinton can tell you, that's not such a good idea.

As I said above, I still cannot bring myself to believe this, but I would really, really love for you to be right. I would pay good money to see Karl Rove & al melt like the wicked witch when Dorothy splashed her with water as the black magic (if you will pardon the expression) of their southern strategy withers before their own incredulous and despicable eyes.

Is no one else shocked by those hispanic percentages?

I know we were always told that they loved her, but we were told lots of things that weren't the case. We've also seen lots of stories about how the tide was turning and that young hispanics, especially, were being Obamafied. But a 66%-27% lead being attributed to Clinton? That seems inexplicable to me without motives and trends that I haven't heard about. (I'm excluding here a crude anti-black prejudice that has been alleged among hispanics, but then we've also been told that whites won't vote for a black when it clearly is untrue.)

You mean you "hope" those Hispanic numbers are much too high, don't you? Nothing wrong with hope and all. A man from Hope. Keep hope alive. How can hope be false? Don't get nervous. He has Texas locked. As we say down in Texas, it's a dead hog cinch.

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OH+TX+PA = nomination for HC ...

Margin is not relevant.

Supers will follow the winner of EVERY big contest.

The ticket is Clinton / Obama and it can't lose.

That's simply not true, mathematically speaking. Margins are all that matter, really.

If she squaks out 51-49 wins in all 3 of those states, she will not have cut into his delegate lead at all.


I also can't see Obama EVER accepting a VP slot on a Clinton ticket. Why would he want to play 3rd wheel in a Clinton administration.

See how they think it's still about selected delegates? Catch up, people. Popular vote and super dels now. And the super dels have to see how Obama can win Florida and Ohio and not lose Pennsylvania and Massachussets. So he can show them in Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania. But hasn't he already made his case? Nope. That's why even the black super dels are holding out before they get on board. They still have a reason not to believe that they can sell back home. It's up to Obama to take that reason away by winning Texas and running strong in Ohio.

On the VP thing. If he loses the pop in Texas, Ohio and Penn, he'll grab the VP so fast --- but she won't offer it. Get a grip! If she wins Texas she will owe a lot to some people and nothing to others, including Obama.

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I just think that there is going to have to be a lot of "deal making" - maybe Obama wouldn't want the VP slot, but how could he resist? Why would he have to be "third wheel"?

How could he resist? By simply staying in the senate, that is how. Why would he want to tar himself with her negatives? Why would he want to sit in the near-Siberian exile from real political action that is the vice president's mansion? He is a young man with a bright future - why hide his light under her bushel basket when he could shine in the Senate and prepare for another go around later? The scenario your propose is simply not at all likely.

He'd "have" to be the third wheel because you're kidding yourself if you don't think Bill would play a VERY large roll in a Hillary administration. Do you think Hillary or Bill would listen to Obama on anything? He would be better served, as Greg says, staying in the senate.

Then again, I think we're about a week or two away from Obama sewing this thing up, so it's all a moot point.

That's right! All he has to do is win the popular vote in either Texas OR Ohio and he is the nominee! She has to win both and then win Pennsylvania to tip the super dels. Sounds impossible!

I think those Hispanic numbers are way high too. In my opinion, Hillary Clinton is a fringe operator (in that 45 percent of the electorate would never vote for her), and not a mainstream candidate of any ethnic group, as implied by those figures. However, Hillary is banking heavily on Hispanic support. She also went far left to win it, before returning to center: http://theseedsof9-11.com

But wait a minute. She's winning 27% of the black vote? How come no one is noticing that? As Ali once said: That can't be right.

Here is a cliff hanger. A very strong Edwards endorsement either way could tip the white male vote in Texas. It would have to be a persuasive argument for his choice and he would have to campaign -- but he could do it. Is this the moment Edwards has been waiting for? Will he declare right after the debate? Oh my. I finally found something to get excited about.

I don't think an Edwards endorsement would carry much weight anymore. It's been too long. If he wanted to have an effect he should have endorsed before Super Tuesday. I think the vast majority of his supporters have already picked sides.

So if Edwards endorses her and campaigns in Texas and she wins by 10 points, I know more than the buzz? My five minutes will start? You'll click "recommend" on all of my posts? Now I am excited!

If...

DEMOCRATS EAT THEIR YOUNG....

After the years of service Hillary has given to working for the democratic cause, a new younger guy comes along, and they abandon her.

It is her time but there is no loyalty in the democratic party.

At least the republicans do not treat each other this way..

Just one more reason that If Obama is nominee, I will vote McCain.

Why, exactly, is it her time?

"At least the republicans do not treat each other this way.."


Oh, and yes, after the years of service McCain has given to working for the republican cause, the party base has been treating him wonderfully.

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spinning wheel got to go round
Talking about your troubles it's a crying sin
Ride a painted pony
Let the spinning wheel spin

You got no money, and you, you got no home
Spinning wheel all alone
Talking about your troubles and you, you never learn
Ride a painted pony
let the spinning wheel turn

Did you find a directing sign
on the straight and narrow highway?
Would you mind a reflecting sign
Just let it shine within your mind
And show you the colours that are real

Someone is waiting just for you
spinning wheel is spinning true
Drop all your troubles, by the river side
Catch a painted pony
On the spinning wheel ride

Someone is waiting just for you
spinning wheel is spinning true
Drop all your troubles, by the river side
Ride a painted pony
Let the spinning wheel fly

Richardson endorsement imminent?

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/


That would be a boost to Obama in Texas.

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As a Texan (and older woman who is supposed to be squarely in the Clinton camp but who is actually an Edwards supporter who could support either in Nov), I want to contribute my anecdotal evidence to the discussion about Texas. Obama will win in a walk. Everyone I talk to is voting for him. Older people who say they have never voted in a primary before are voting for him. Several people who are usually Republican have told me they are voting for him. My Latina sister-in-law loves him more than anyone I know. Most of the people who are waffling are friends who have always liked Hillary but don't think she'll win in Nov. In a red state like TX where the intensity of Clinton-hatred is sometimes scary, even those of us who respect Hillary think it would be wiser to go with Obama.

Sorry gang, but PPP is just not a very credible polling operation. It's a push button autodialer poll, but unlike SurveyUSA which has gone to great lengths to improve the accuracy of their push button polling, PPP is kinda amateurish. I cringe when I see them treated credibly by media outlets.

Could you tell me how Hillary Clinton lacks common decency if she exercises her right to continue with her candidacy for the nomination for as long as she likes?

On another thread someone said (no attribution given) that the early vote in TX heavily favored Clinton. Anybody know anything about this?

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