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Poll: Hillary Up 17 Points In Ohio Primary
A new SurveyUSA poll of Ohio shows Hillary Clinton with a strong 56%-39% lead in the Ohio primary. The March 4 primaries here and in Texas are quickly turning into Hillary's new firewall, in the face of expected losses this month.
Of course, there's no telling what happens in the next few weeks as the campaign truly hits Ohio in earnest. But Hillary definitely seems to be starting from a good position. Now she just has to maintain or even extend it.
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I can think of four reasons why the Ohio SurveyUSA poll is actually bad news for Hillary:
1) SurveyUSA has shown a strong bias for Hillary in its early polls, with her lead tending to narrow sharply as election day nears. Whether it's documenting a shift in voter attitudes or adjusting its results to be more in-line with the pack is tough to say - either way, that's a discouraging trend for Hillary.
2) Ohio awards 141 pledged delegates. Splitting the undecideds proportionately, you get a 59-41% lead, or (roughly) an 83-58 delegate split. That gives her a 25 delegate advantage. Depending on whose count you care to use, by the time the results from tonight's primaries roll in, Obama's lead among pledged delegates will be 85-100. So it's not clear that Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania combined are enough to erase that.
3) Our old friend, the Reverse Bradley/Wilder Effect. SurveyUSA is currently predicting that Hillary will draw 24% of the black vote. If her actual percentage is that high, I'll eat my shoe. Pre-election polls have shown a consistent bias, this season, among black voters - it turns out that they are, apparently, reluctant to disclose that they may vote based on race. The election-day exit polls, and the breakdown of votes by precinct and district, tell a very different story, with Obama now consistently winning 80% or better of the black vote.
4) Both candidates have just gone up on the air in Ohio. Hillary currently leads Obama 62-32 among white voters, and 58-37 among registered Democrats. But in the Columbus Dispatch poll taken Feb. 3, she led 44-14 among whites and 48-17 among women. You've gotta believe that Mark Penn was hoping, this far out, that her leads would stay closer to 3-1 among those crucial constituencies than the 2-1 we're now seeing. And the trends certainly suggest that further erosion is in store.
February 12, 2008 5:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Add to that the irrational, but real, reaction that can be expected after Obama sweeps the Potomac primaries. (Irrational, but real? My math friends won't like that combination.) I say it's irrational only because who you vote for (especially in a 2-person race) shouldn't depend on how they did in a previous race in another state. I say it's real, because I think it will boost his ratings as it becomes more conceivable that he might actually win this thing. (Self-fulfilling prophecies and all that.)
February 12, 2008 5:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
i√2.
February 12, 2008 5:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Another fascinating and informative post. Thank you for that.
February 12, 2008 5:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
THE BILL CLINTON EFFECT TRUMPS THE REVERSE BRADLEY EFFECT
Flyonthewall. You mentioned "the Reverse Bradley/Wilder Effect" and that Blacks are voting for racial solidarity. Perhaps you might want to rename it the President Bill Clinton Effect. For three weeks after Iowa, The Clintons and their surrogates waged a very subtle racial attack on Obama.
During this time they made patronizing comments about him being merely a "good speaker," trivializing his accomplishments, minimizing the importance of his early judgment and risk-taking in opposing the war in Iraq, and using surrogates to demonize his morality. Both feminists and African Americans have often faced that in the workplace - particularly in the past. Here the Clintons were, these bastions of civil rights, putting a demonstration of it on display on tv. Who wants to see that comiing from someone who you previously saw as your advocate.
They also inadvertently did the same to MLK, an icon in the Black community, on the eve of his holiday. Those of us who may have doubted their intentions to marginalize Obama as a Black candidate, had no doubt after The Jesse Jackson comment. Frequently in the workplace bias is unintentional. What the Clintons did was intentional and not because they are racists, but because we were disposable and they thought thaat all they had to do was make a "sincere" mea culpa and we would be back in their corner.
Might I suggest that Blacks showed solidarity not just for Obama, but against the Clintons and their craven disregard for one of their most loyal constituents. They also almost caused a divide in the democratic party by making her becoming more important than the party.
After decades of the Republicans telling Blacks that the Democrats took us for granted, Bill Clinton decided to give us a demonstration. Fortunately, most Americans in the democratic party have demonstrated that they rejected racial politics and I for one am grateful.
Prior to the launch of this retro strategy, most African Americans were debating about the three candidates and supporting all three. I was for Edwards, Obama was my second choice. Had the Clintons not made the move to make him a "Black Candidate", I think she would have kept at least 25-40% of African American voters.
Those Blacks that say that they ar voting for Clinton are not lying. Like Hispanics, most Blacks worshiped the Clintons prior to the events of January and and were extremely loyal. Some struggled to come to terms with their actions and tried to remain loyal. Unfortunately, time is working against Clinton with those who are still loyal. Last week my Mom, was angry at me for the things I said about the Clintons. this week, she is leaning toward Obama. This is going on around the country. The distaste of what they did is is heart wrenching for some of us and ultimately makes many of those last supporters who are thinking through what they did, change their mind at the last minute.
How the public can not see that this behavior rom the Clintons might have some impact on Black voting patterns amazes me. Throughout three decades Blacks have never previously selected a candidate based on race. Not Jackson, Sharpton, Mosely-Braun, nor Chisolm. So, I would like to suggest we are like the female voter. Some vote out of solidarity, but most normally do not.
Maybe some of you might be saying that we should get over it. I would just like to remind you that The President Bill Clinton Effect happened just happened three short weeks ago. After years of supporting them through all the scandals, it might take a while for us to get over what some of us see as an ultimate political betrayal. So yes, we are showing solidarity against Clinton.
Tracey
February 12, 2008 6:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Based on recent trends, this means that Obama should close to win Ohio by about 8 points.
February 12, 2008 5:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, don't worry. Once Ohio voters see her and Obama up close, they'll figure out who to vote for.
February 12, 2008 5:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Like in CA and MA
February 12, 2008 5:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Double-edged sword. CA, MA, NJ & NY all provide evidence that Obama has trouble winning big states. But in each case, he trailed in the early polls by far, far more than the margin of his eventual loss. I'm not saying he's gonna win OH - I'm just saying that Hillary needs a bigger victory than this poll suggests, and that past evidence suggests it will actually be smaller.
February 12, 2008 5:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's misleading to say the least to include NY, HRC's "home" state. I wouldn't count IL for Obama in the big state argument. CA only half counts IMHO since 1/3 of voters had already participated by mail-in ballots before Obama's SC win.
Furthermore, Obama's kept it close in the big states, whereas Clinton is mostly getting blown out where Obama wins.
February 12, 2008 6:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Like iowa. Hello. He will have enough time to campaign now. There is a reason she was totally below the radar screen 4 or 5 days before the iowa vote. Her poll numbers kept going down the more people get to know her and obama. He will have plenty of time to campaign in ohio and texas and 1/2 of the texas delegates are awarded via caucuses. She is toast.
February 12, 2008 5:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Three weeks is a lot longer than one week. And this poll will not include today, WI and possibly Hawaii.
February 12, 2008 6:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
And . . . . . What is going on today? What about the sweeps this weekend? Hello, how about some info about what's going on now, not a survey on a primary 3 weeks away from a company that is usually way off the mark. Thanks.
February 12, 2008 5:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I live in Ohio. Obama's just now getting his troops on the ground here. It will be a dogfight, and that's good. I like the idea of a last stand for Hillary, and Obama proving that he can unseat her in even the most unfavorable (for him) of places. I will say that from narrow perspective in the heart of working class small town Ohio, there is much more enthusiasm for Obama, more ingrained support for Clinton. We'll see if three weeks is enough time for that enthusiasm to turn into votes.
February 12, 2008 5:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
One more air bag about to pop.
February 12, 2008 5:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Isn't it a bit sexist to refer to Clinton as Hillary when all of the other posts speak of Obama or McCain?
February 12, 2008 5:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Another Newbie hasn't seen her campaign signs.
February 12, 2008 5:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dear Democrat in France:
I would refer you to the candidates web sites.
The top banner on Hillary's web site says: Hillary for President
His Website proudly claims: Obama 08.
They have chosen those handles, and besides, calling her Hillary helps distinguish her from another famous Clinton.
Don't really see any sexism at work. Sorry to disappoint.
February 12, 2008 5:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
As SeaToShiningSea says. I used to think so, until I took a good look at her signs...
February 12, 2008 5:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Then you should take your complaint to the "Hillery" campaign headquarters. They are the ones who keep passing out that sea of "Hillary" cards that you see being waved about. Do some video research and you will see what I mean.
February 12, 2008 7:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd say the strategy for Hillary over the next month has to be: (1) win the Edwards primary - there can be up to 26 delegates there; (2) re-win at least the Florida primary by getting the delegates seated - with 210 delegates and a 17% spread, there are about 34 delegates for her there; (3) break even on additional superdelegate commitments; and (4) get a spread of at least 15% in Texas and Ohio. If she does those things, she can enter April even, even if the March primaries go for Obama (as seems the case based on current polls).
February 12, 2008 5:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who controls the Edwards delegates? I'd say they are flying on their own and are the equivalent to super-delegates. Edwards can persuade, but I don't think he can coerce.
February 12, 2008 5:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm wondering the same thing. My guess is that they're cast in stone for Edwards, meaning that it's conceivable that neither Obama nor Clinton will get the majority needed to prevent a brokered convention.
February 12, 2008 6:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
What you're missing here is that this is now a contest over legitimacy, not delegate counts. Winning 26 delegates by virtue of Edwards' endorsement (if she wins it, if he can sway them, and if the delegates from Iowa actually get elected to the DNC) won't really count in winning the hearts and minds of the superdelegates. Neither will seating Florida (which will never happen anyway if the convention is contested).
If HRC wants to win this thing, she needs to persuade the superdelegates and the public that it's rightfully hers. She can't do that by having delegates handed to her by a withdrawn candidate, nor by changing the rules midway through. She can't do it by eking out narrow wins in OH, TX an PA. She's got to take the bulk of the remaining states, including places like NC and MS where Obama presently leads. She has to either win the pledged delegate race, or make it so close that it's a material tie. The rest of this is inside baseball, and it don't count.
February 12, 2008 5:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
No surprise in that poll for this former Ohioan. It's a tough state to figure, Strickland has the machine primed for HRC, and it is hard to acurately model turnouts there in general.
Obama's got a LOT of work to do in order to make it close. Lucky for him and his campaign, he has the time and resources to try and do just that.
Game on.
February 12, 2008 5:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama has been in Ohio a lot longer than most people know. It's going to come around.
February 12, 2008 5:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's both good and bad news for Obama.
BAD NEWS:
1) 48% of the Democratic electorate identified the economy as the defining issue of the campaign.
2) Losing big among self described moderate voters.
GOOD NEWS:
1) Those who never attend church favor Hillary by a large margin. Everything to date suggests that a lead in this demographic won't hold up.
2) Self described liberal favor Hillary by a large margin. Same problem as #1.
3) SUSA has nailed predictions on heavy industrial/urban states (NY, CA, IL, NJ). They missed horribly on Missouri, which is a closer cousin of Ohio than their bluer brethren.
February 12, 2008 5:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Stilton,
Hillary has been winning among voters who say that they themselves are struggling economically - not among those who identify the economy as a major issue (check the exits).
And SurveyUSA had a very good track record on February 5 for two reasons:
1) It pushes particularly hard to get voters to state a preference, resulting in lower numbers of undecideds. So, by its chosen measure, its surveys are particularly effective at producing results that closely mirror the final vote allocation. If, however, you measure the final margin of victory or extrapolate forward (from a poll that says, for example, 40-30 to predict a 57-43 outcome), SurveyUSA's track record isn't terribly impressive.
2) SurveyUSA measures final poll numbers. That gives it two advantages, because it (a) typically sees a very wide spread between polls several weeks out and its final numbers and (b) does day-before robopolls, surveying the electorate at the last moment when minds are largely made up. If you look at the predictive success of polls taken 2-3 weeks out, SurveyUSA scores very low indeed.
More from Mark Blumenthal.
February 12, 2008 5:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
**It isn't sexist to refer to Hillary by her first name and Obama and Edwards by their second. People only refer to her as Hillary because there are two Clintons, but only one Obama and one Edwards. To make matters worse, there are damn near two Clintons running in this race at the same time, so I usually differentiate between them like that. When I'm talking about Hillary I say Hillary, when I'm talking about Bill I say Bill, when I'm talking about the campaign I usually say the Clinton campaign because it is basically a two-for-one special.
February 12, 2008 5:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think Hillary has many signs up in France, explains the poster's question.
Now, agreed with membengal, Obama has money oozing out his ears, that should easily help him make up some deficit in these states over Clinton.
February 12, 2008 5:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Totally off topic, but what the hell is going on with New Mexico? It's been over a week now and they still haven't finalized the results. This is not reflecting well on Bill Richardson....
February 12, 2008 5:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hm, for my money a seventeen point lead with three weeks to go would not make me sleap easily if I were a Clinton campaigner. He has proven awfully adept at closing wide leads, especially with that much time to do it. Mind you, I am not predicting an Obama win, but I think that this could change by election day.
February 12, 2008 5:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Er, "sleep easy..." not "sleap easy..." Sorry about that.
February 12, 2008 5:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
TX has 228 delegates to OH's 141. While OH is relevant, I'd say that TX is the state to watch. Happily for Obama, most of the delegates are apportioned by caucus, but he's behind in the polls there too.
February 12, 2008 5:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Amen!
February 12, 2008 5:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
National Review Online says early exits show McCain and Huckabee close in Virginia.
February 12, 2008 5:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary is running for president of Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Texas. Obama is running for president of the United States of America.
February 12, 2008 5:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton is also running for the president of NY, CA, MA, FL, TX. .....
February 12, 2008 6:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did you just make that up? How clever you are.
February 12, 2008 6:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep this is not the best news for Hillary. What every state so far has shown is The more time Hillary spends in a state the more votes she loses and the more time Obama spends in a state the more votes he gains. Hillary needs to replicate Obama's smaller state 2-1 vote victory ratio in Ohio and Texas for her to keep pace with him.
February 12, 2008 5:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sure, like in CA in MA
Look guys. So far nothing have changed.
Obama get his voters, affluent and Blacks, Hillary gets the rest.
We don't need elections, to predict results.
February 12, 2008 6:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
re: "This is not reflecting well on Bill Richardson"
or maybe it is, methinks in my conspiratorial mode
if he's tinkering with results now for one candidate, maybe he'll find a cabinet position for himself come January
seriously, though, it's ridiculous NM hasn't spoken yet. what the F is going on there?
February 12, 2008 5:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I do not know that this is really fair. They are counting provisional ballots, so it is not just a matter of saying "this one is for Obama, that one for Clinton." They also need to determine whether each ballot represents an individual legally entitled to vote in this election. What more, they have to make this determination with representatives of each campaign looking over their shoulders and challenging this one or that one. I would expect this process to take a while.
February 12, 2008 5:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's the real question, other than the Clintons assertion that all that matters are Ohio and Texas, why is that the case? They aren't winner take-all states and my guess is that if Obama bests her in the delegate count (and loses the popular vote or by some stroke of luck wins the popular vote as well), then they will kick the can to the next viable Clinton state.
In short, even if she wins these states, why would that serve as a death knell to Obama's campaign, but potentially 10 loses (several by landslides) in a row have NO impact on her campaign's ability to continue?
February 12, 2008 5:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
That should be 10 losses (not loses).
February 12, 2008 6:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Precisely. She needs to win TX and OH by big margins to make them count for her in the real world of pledged delegates. Of course, they would give her the "comeback kid" story.
February 12, 2008 6:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
NM is done counting everything except provisional ballots. Both sides have lawyers there for those and last I heard they were promising to meet a 2/15 deadline.
February 12, 2008 5:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Something everyone's forgetting--for how great Survey USA was on Feb 5, it totally missed Missouri. It had Clinton up by 11 there, almost the exact same as in Ohio. And that was the day before the actual vote! Why does this matter? Because, demographically, Ohio and Missouri are the EXACT same states.
February 12, 2008 5:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Er, gosh, from your lips to God's ears and all, but speaking as a native Missourian who has lived for some small time in OH, I have to say that we Show-me staters are not that similar to the Buckeye state. OH is much more rust-belt than we are and much more Republican. Indeed, OH was an early base of GOP support, whereas MO has historically been a democratic stronghold, only recently drifting into the red-state column. I agree with you that the precedent of MO illustrates that SUSA results should not be received as some sort of glipses into a godlike clairevoyance, but I would not overdo the point by trying to make out that MO and OH are exceptionally similar.
February 12, 2008 6:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
New Mexico Democratic Party is in the process of validating and then counting Provisional Ballots. Other ballots were completed last week and show Clinton with about 1,100 vote lead out of about 135,000 cast. Party did not fund for enough ballots and had only one polling location for State's 4th largest city. There were some other problems too. New Mexico is not always so "New".
February 12, 2008 6:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have recorded this link for the time that the Clinton campaign starts spinning her narrow win or narrow loss as a true comeback underdog story.
February 12, 2008 6:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Uh, oh, I am getting a bad feeling about VA. The exit polls do not look good for obama. I am sensing clintonion spin here. I am betting that she doesn't do too bad in VA. The women vote is through the roof as is the over 65 crowd. I am getting a major bad feeling about this. Where are the posts TPM on the exit polling? Hello.
February 12, 2008 6:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
For whatever it's worth, the Page has some of the early exit polls--which aren't worth a whole helluva lot if you ask me. Here's Fox's early break down:
Virginia:
White voters: Clinton 51, Obama 48
Women voters: Obama 58, Cliton 42
Seniors: Obama 53, Clinton 47
Late-deciders: Clinton 52, Obama 48
Young voters: Obama 80, Clinton 20
Independents: Obama 66, Clinton 33
http://thepage.time.com/potomac-primary-exit-poll-data-from-fox-news/
February 12, 2008 6:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
If they're accurate, they suggest that Obama will win Virginia by better than 60-40%; all of those performances are equal to or better than the final round of polling predicted (with the possible exception of late deciders - depends on the definition).
For example, here are the equivalent numbers from SurveyUSA, which put Obama ahead 60-38%
White voters: Clinton 49, Obama 47
Women voters: Obama 54, Clinton 44
Seniors: Obama 48, Clinton 49
Young voters: Obama 62, Clinton 36
Independents: Obama 67, Clinton 31
February 12, 2008 6:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
After Super Tuesday, I learned my lesson about exit polling. Just say no.
February 12, 2008 6:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
What exit polls are those?
Link please.
February 12, 2008 6:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
i am watching MSNBC's coverage right now and will someone please tell Pat Buchanan to shut the hell up...
One more thing, Norah O'Donnell is kinda cute!!!!
February 12, 2008 6:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, I have to weigh in on this one. Kinda cute??? Are you kidding me? She is so freaking hot its not even funny. If only I was so lucky. Kinda cute? Give me a break.
February 12, 2008 7:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Isn't it a bit sexist to refer to Clinton as Hillary when all of the other posts speak of Obama or McCain?
Man, is this meme still around?
Why don't you ask her campaign, which refers to her constantly as Hillary? Look at the FRONT PAGE OF HER WEBSITE, where is labeled, simply:
Jeebus.
February 12, 2008 6:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK, my post got garbled, I swear I had the tags right.
HRC's website front page is labeled:
HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT
It says "Hillary" over and over and the word Clinton appears only once that I could see, in tiny print at the bottom of the page.
February 12, 2008 6:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Has Hillary extended her lead in any state from three weeks out? The only one that I can think of is FL. She's improved from behind in a few, but I think Obama has narrowed her lead in every state that he has campaigned in leading up to the primary.
February 12, 2008 6:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
THE BILL CLINTON EFFECT TRUMPS THE REVERSE BRADLEY EFFECT
Flyonthewall. You mentioned "the Reverse Bradley/Wilder Effect" and that Blacks are voting for racial solidarity. Perhaps you might want to rename it the President Bill Clinton Effect. For three weeks after Iowa, The Clintons and their surrogates waged a very subtle racial attack on Obama.
During this time they made patronizing comments about him being merely a "good speaker," trivializing his accomplishments, minimizing the importance of his early judgment and risk-taking in opposing the war in Iraq, and using surrogates to demonize his morality. Both feminists and African Americans have often faced that in the workplace - particularly in the past. Here the Clintons were, these bastions of civil rights, putting a demonstration of it on display on tv. Who wants to see that comiing from someone who you previously saw as your advocate.
They also inadvertently did the same to MLK, an icon in the Black community, on the eve of his holiday. Those of us who may have doubted their intentions to marginalize Obama as a Black candidate, had no doubt after The Jesse Jackson comment. Frequently in the workplace bias is unintentional. What the Clintons did was intentional and not because they are racists, but because we were disposable and they thought thaat all they had to do was make a "sincere" mea culpa and we would be back in their corner.
Might I suggest that Blacks showed solidarity not just for Obama, but against the Clintons and their craven disregard for one of their most loyal constituents. They also almost caused a divide in the democratic party by making her becoming more important than the party.
After decades of the Republicans telling Blacks that the Democrats took us for granted, Bill Clinton decided to give us a demonstration. Fortunately, most Americans in the democratic party have demonstrated that they rejected racial politics and I for one am grateful.
Prior to the launch of this retro strategy, most African Americans were debating about the three candidates and supporting all three. I was for Edwards, Obama was my second choice. Had the Clintons not made the move to make him a "Black Candidate", I think she would have kept at least 25-40% of African American voters.
Those Blacks that say that they ar voting for Clinton are not lying. Like Hispanics, most Blacks worshiped the Clintons prior to the events of January and and were extremely loyal. Some struggled to come to terms with their actions and tried to remain loyal. Unfortunately, time is working against Clinton with those who are still loyal. Last week my Mom, was angry at me for the things I said about the Clintons. this week, she is leaning toward Obama. This is going on around the country. The distaste of what they did is is heart wrenching for some of us and ultimately makes many of those last supporters who are thinking through what they did, change their mind at the last minute.
How the public can not see that this behavior rom the Clintons might have some impact on Black voting patterns amazes me. Throughout three decades Blacks have never previously selected a candidate based on race. Not Jackson, Sharpton, Mosely-Braun, nor Chisolm. So, I would like to suggest we are like the female voter. Some vote out of solidarity, but most normally do not.
Maybe some of you might be saying that we should get over it. I would just like to remind you that The President Bill Clinton Effect happened just happened three short weeks ago. After years of supporting them through all the scandals, it might take a while for us to get over what some of us see as an ultimate political betrayal. So yes, we are showing solidarity against Clinton.
Tracey
February 12, 2008 6:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good point, Genghis
I'd just like to add that in addition to 3 weeks of TV and personal appearances in Ohio, there will also be the news cycles of Obama likely winning 3 states tonight and probably both Hawaii and Wisconsin next week along with any more loans Bill and Hillary have to give the campaign, reorganizations, etc. Both Ohio and Texas are well in play for Obama. And, the poll for NC looked good today too.
February 12, 2008 6:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nothing takes peoples attention away from where things stand tonight, like a good dose of Clinton Chicken counting, not only long before they have been hatched, but have even yet been laid.
By the way: Guess what Hillery, the self proclaimed War Princess who slays all Republicans, did today.
Did she show up to fight the Republican dragons on their FISA unwarranted wiretap invasions of privacy. No the Warrior Princess did not. Why you ask. It was because she spend the day in a studio doing remote TV interviews for local stations in Ohio and Texas.
Yes indeed; Warrior Princess Hillary will fight alright, but it will not be to defend your freedoms. She does not give a rat's arse about your lives.
February 12, 2008 7:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry for typos. :)
February 12, 2008 7:13 PM | Reply | Permalink