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Poll: Hillary, Obama In Dead Heat In Texas

This is rough news for Hillary: A new CNN poll finds that she has a statistically insignificant two-point lead among likely Dem primary voters in her crucial firewall state of Texas:

Hillary 50%

Obama 48%

Mirroring other recent polls in other states, Texas Dems supporting one candidate aren't acrimonious towards the other: A huge majority of 79% said they'd be happy with Hillary as the nominee, and an equal amount said the same about Obama. We'll bring you internals when they're available.


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So much for the much vaunted "firewall".

I wonder what excuse the Clinton team will come up with if they blow it in Texas.

Her camp was saying a week ago they needed to win big there to catch up in delegates. And they used Texas and Ohio as the reason to ignore their string of losses in February.

If they blow it in Texas, is it over?

Is this Hillary's Alamo?

You obviously didn't get the Ickes and Penn memos. Texas is irrelevent as it is a red state that also holds a caucus and has weird rules for delegate allocation that favors areas with a high concentration of African American population.

Puerto Rico is the new firewall, followed by the lounge at the Denver Hyatt Regency.

Yes. If HRC loses Texas nothing is left her but sound and fury.

First of all, if Hillary loses Texas she will concede the race to Obama. Second of all, the Alamo was not the Texans' last stand against Santa Anna, that was at the San Jacinto Battleground near Houston. Words matter.

"words matter"

exactly.

I don't think Hillary would concede anything. There's too much unknown about this Obama guy out there and a long time to election day.

Besides she's won Texas.

Rae

How many firewalls is the Clinton Campain going to have? Puerto Rico the next firewall?

A bit of rain is starting to fall on half of the Clinton firewall. Suppose their camp can HOPE Texans are huge anti-plagiarists.

I've taught in Texas. Believe me, there was a distinct pro-plagiarism current among my students, at least when it came to homework ;)

For whatever little my own opinion on this subject is worth, I expect that this poll will become entirely irrelevant if Clinton pulls off an upset in WI tomorrow. Meanwhile, I expect that if Obama wins by a big margin tomorrow instead of just the four points by which he is predicted to win, you can expect to see him take a healthy lead in TX. In other words, WI can change the dynamics of this race dramatically tomorrow, so here's hoping for a strong Obama turnout up there.

Agreed, Wisconsin is more important than Texas right now. Texas is two weeks away and there's still time. Wisconsin will determine the future of this race tomorrow.

Not to mention Hawaii. IF Clinton pulled off an upset there, it would be over for Obama.

"Not to mention Hawaii. IF Clinton pulled off an upset there, it would be over for Obama."

That doesn't seem at all believable.

I mean, it would certainly be nice for Clinton to win Hawaii. Better than losing. But at this point, to catch up to Obama's delegate count, Clinton needs not just wins, but huge wins in, essentially, every state that she's hoping to win.

I don't think an upset it Hawaii would make Texas, Ohio, and Pennsylvania into huge wins for Clinton.

James Carville has already said that this is over if Hillary doesn't win both Texas and Ohio. He has been an avid supporter of hers, so I suspect he knows what's up.

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And the spin will change if she doesn't win texas. I am thinking that ohio really is the back breaker. She loses ohio and then she may be toast, but maybe not, who knows what the game plan is. It changes on a daily basis, but she is ready to lead from day one, just not her own campaign.

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Carville says if she doesn't win BOTH Texas and Ohio she will be toast.

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I know what he said and the mantra from the clinton people changes like the wind. If she loses texas, they will be spinning all over the place. I am willing to bet a lunch that if she loses texas and wins ohio, regardless of margin, she does not concede. Any takers? She will take this to the wall and do anything to get the nomination, regardless of the damage to the democratic party and the nation. The clintons do not care about anybody other than the clintons and their pockets. Gee, I wonder why they don't release their tax returns in the democratic primary. Its all about perpetuating the clintons and nothing else.

If she loses Texas she will concede. If she gets closes in WI and wins Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania, Obama will concede. It's almost over now.

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Nope, bet you a lunch if she loses texas and wins ohio she does not concede. Actually, I won't bet a lunch on it, but I would not be surprised if she lost both close that she does not concede.

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I'll believe it when I see it in TX. But really, Obama succeeds if he just keeps the statewide vote close which means the delegate allocation will be very even.

But I want to believe, I do, I do...because an Obama win in TX would end this race on March 5th.

Here's hoping for that win, urbinato! w00t!

The negative attacks are working!

Texas will go to Hillary BIG time.

This poll is not reliable.

Rae, you never answered me in the other post! I'm still waiting to hear why you support Hillary. I told you all about why I am supporting Obama. You know, Rae, I hate to say it, but sometimes I wonder if you've really ever thought about why you support Hillary.

I support Hillary because her supporters never make snide remarks about people sleeping on the street or in dumpsters.

Haha, so you support hillary for what her supporters DONT do?? Not even what they do? I've heard far worse than jokes about sleeping on streets and in dumpsters from Hillary supporters. That's not to say that its right, but don't suggest that Hillary supporters are above making base jokes. Both sides have spit out their fair share of hatred towards the other.

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Gosh, you're right, Billy! Hillbots never make snide remarks about dumpsters. Just about lots and lots of other stuff. Constantly.

You've been around this blog enough. I don't think I need to provide links.

Best you've got, BG?

Texas doesn't count because it has a caucus. Unless Hillary wins in which case it counts thanks to all the Latinos.

But if Hillary loses I suspect she will reveal her ULTIMATE firewall: Peurto Rico

Obviously, the poll is sexist.

Former Virginia State Governor Douglas Wilder; Virginia's first African American governor, told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer that he thought Bill Clinton's recent comments, injecting race into the Democratic primaries, had indeed hurt Hillary Clinton's chances. The polls certainly reflect that. Doug Wilder mused over Bill's self-appointed role of speaking for all African Americans. Wilder says, during Hillary's tenure as First Lady, nothing had been done regarding health care. Wilder went on to say, repeated calls and visits by his staff and himself for information about the Clinton health care package, to tell his constituency and local business leaders, had all been met with stonewalling and secrecy by the Clinton White House. Wilder goes on to say, if super delegates and backroom deals usurps the will of the voter, the 1968 Chicago Democratic Convention will pale by comparison to the 2008 convention. The Clintons have had much, much more than eight long, well-paid years to effect the very changes they’re now clamoring to make: http://theseedsof9-11.com

I'm starting to wonder if Hillary's going negative may actually be helping Barack in some ways -- particularly with independent voters.

I'm not saying these attacks aren't hurting Barack at all. But it seems like when you've got a candidate with high negatives like Hillary, and that candidate goes negative against somebody (especially a feel-good, Kumbaya-singing, hopemongering guy like Obama), then maybe there's some blowback in the form of turning indies off. Maybe we even get some kind of crossover sympathy vote moving in Obama's direction.

I don't know. This is a really hard contest to read.

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Whenever the Clinton camp has gone negative, it has hurt them. She's in a tough spot because the vast majority of her supporters think Obama would be fine candidate if she doesn't end up getting the nomination. When she attacks him, it supports the notion that she's willing to say or do anything to win an election -- even if it means tearing the party apart and doing the Republicans' work for them.

She can't win by being positive because her case and her style aren't compelling enough. But when she goes negative, it turns a lot of Democrats off and makes them wonder what kind of person she really is. Tough spot to be in.

"Obviously, the poll is sexist."


Is it periodic?

I've taught in Texas. Believe me, there was a distinct pro-plagiarism current among my students, at least when it came to homework ;)

Oops, this comment was meant for higher. No delete option, hmmmm....

You're a teacher? I find that hard to believe!
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From the desk of:

Mark Poison Penn Head.


We have discovered that there is a pattern of subliminal gender discrimination in the signs that the male candidates have been distributing to their followers. They say Obama, or Edwards, or Biden or Dodd etc, but the signs of the only woman in the race say "Hillery" This is clearly a case of where the woman has been singled out and identified by her first name which makes her gender apparent.

We here at Hillary Headquarters, I mean Clinton Headquarters, decry such blatant gender differentiation in the signs being distributed during the primary season.

Pass the kool-aid, Rae!

Voters clearly have an anti-Clinton bias.

I just got home from four hours working the phones for Barack. Of the 50 or so people I talked with today, there was exactly one Clinton voter. The consensus in the room was that people are not only supporting Obama, but are also wildly enthusiastic about him and about his candidacy. Most are planning to vote tomorrow, the first day of early voting. It will be interesting to see what happens when Barack actually arrives in Texas.

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Go ahead and believe the poll if you want.

I believe in demographics, and I don't see how Obama pulls off a win in TX, momentum or no momentum.

It is a worthy point. That said, VA and MD suggested (albeit only tentatively) that Obama might be starting to cut into Clinton's demographic base. If such is the case (we should know a bit more by tomorrow evening) then all bets are off.

And I believe in toilets.

Given the way that Texas delegates are apportioned, a 50-48 split might well leave Obama ahead in delegates.

Look for the Clinton team to do so CYA saying that it's only important if Clinton wins the popular vote in Texas, not how many delegates she gets.

Unless it comes out the opposite, in which case Penn, Ickes and Williams will say that the delegate counts are more important than the delegate votes.

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Given the way that Texas delegates are apportioned, a 50-48 split might well leave Obama ahead in delegates.

It almost certainly will leave Obama with more delegates. The fact is that the SDs with the most delegates are in Obama territory. This partially has to do with the fact that the delegate distribution is based upon the 06 governor race. In it, a lot of rural folks voted for quixotic independent candidates Carol Strayhorn and Kinky Friedman, and a lot of Hispanics voted for Republican Rick Perry because they thought they would get border support. However, urban blacks, especially in Houston, voted for Democrat Chris Bell, which will give these SDs more delegates.

If Hillary gets more delegates from Texas, it will be because either she won the popular vote big or that her supporter Sheila Lee Jackson pulled of a miracle.

From the Desk of;

Mark Poison Penn Head.


As each tracking poll from Texas is starting to show that it is trending more and more toward being a Red state, like it alway has been in past elections, We here at Hillary Headquarters wish to let the public know that if present trends continue through March 4th, then Texas will become of those meaningless Red State primary results, and we never saw much value in winning there anyway.

Can anyone clarify the phrase "likely Dem primary voters"? Does this mean they only polled people registered as Democrats, or they polled people likely to vote for a Democrat, regardless of actual registration?

Obviously, in an open primary (semi-open in TX, I guess, whatever that means) the distinction is important.

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It depends which poll you are looking at as to how they determine a "likely dem primary voter." most of the times, if the person asked responds that they will definately vote in, or probably vote in, the dem primary, they are counted.

in some, PPP, i suspect, there is more weight given dependent on the persons age group. for example, in most elections it's the elderly who turn out in greatest #'s, percentage-wise. i think you can throw most of the "old models" out this election. in fact, the case that obama is overperforming MOST of the pre-primary polls suggest that the model needs to be adjusted...

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Clearly we do not reflect the public but are very skewed toward intense partisan support for our favorite.

"Mirroring other recent polls in other states, Texas Dems supporting one candidate aren't acrimonious towards the other: A huge majority of 79% said they'd be happy with Hillary as the nominee, and an equal amount said the same about Obama."---Greg Sargent.

That is the news. It means we won't, as a party, stay home and let the GOP roll us. Let's make sure Republicans do stay home, instead. Let them think McCain is a closet Democrat. Let them think he has no chance, since we are so united.

Hillary can always run as a third party candidate. She can form the Clinton Party.

Clem here on the big island of Hawaii -- got signed up today to caucus tomorrow in a tiny town on the southernmost tip of the island out in the boonies -- the lady who registered me said that the last time the town had a caucus there were three participants, then she showed me her stack of current registration cards of a couple of thousand or more for tomorrow's caucus! The Obama wave has hit HI too! And btw, according to the Honolulu newspaper the official results won't be announced until MARCH 3! (Not sure if there'll be unofficial results before then.)

"Dan, I will not be ignored!"

this is definitely EXCELLENT NEWS for HILLARY!!!

Leave Rae alone. It's tough to see your candidate of choice eat a shit sandwich, and Hillary's got a sizable turd panini to chew through. For the record, I predict that Obama takes WI by at least 5 points, HI in a landslide (duh), TX by the narrowest of margins, and loses OH. But if he wins TX, it's done.

Unless Hillary pulls a Lieberman. Hey...maybe they can run together! If HRC can detach the vise-like liplock Lieberman has on McCain's manly buttocks, that is.

A worthy point. It is rather unseemly for us Obama folks to gloat. We never appreciated it back near the end of last year when folks like DCShungu used to lord her inevitability over us with stark poll results and superdelegate counts. Our man is a class act and we should be too, so we should not be too hard on the folks who show an admirable loyalty to Sen Clinton, even if theirs is a loyalty which we do not share.

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Word.

Not to mention the simple fact that we have quite a few big states left in the mix. Mind you now, it does look good for Obama, but 1/3 of the pledged delegates remain to be voted on.

HRC's last stand is with the super delegates by convincing them that she can win the big "important" states that Dems can carry in the GE. That means she must win Texas. (I think her math misunderestimates the states that the Dems can carry in the Fall but never mind.)
Sadly, unless she wins all of the last three big states by blowouts, even that will be an all but impossible argument given the large lead Obama will have in pledged delegates going into the convention.
The odds are excellent that his lead will be 150+ and I think closer to 200+ but then I think he'll be winning everything but maybe Ohio going forward.
He has already won the mo contest into March.
Even if he loses Wisconsin it's only a pause for him. For HRC a loss tomorrow is a fatal stall on the way to crash and burn in the streets of Laredo.


Thanks I really appreciate your point. I'm one of those Texans who is ready to support either candidate, even though I have a preference for one of them. The vitriol expressed toward the Clinton's legacy, their supporters, and the candidate is becoming uncomfortable.

No, I'm afraid that the mocking of Rae will not end, my friend. She has accused Obama supporters of being racists, sexists, cultists, and braindead idiots. So, if you don't mind, I'll just keep mocking her relentlessly - who knows, maybe she'll actually come up with a reason as to why she prefers Hillary. In fact, I quite like other Hillary supporters who espouse legitimate reasons to back their preferred candidate, and more power to them for that. But as for Rae - well, in the words of The Dude, "this aggression will not stand, man."

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The Dude abides.

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If Hillary loses to Obama, do you think she'll pull a Lieberman on us and run as a third-party candidate? It could be like "Clinton/Lieberman - Hawkish Independent Democrats for the Status Quo". Or maybe she could choose Bill as her running mate and campaign on a pro-dynasty/anti-change ticket.

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Nice photo! I guess I hadn't realized McCain was a member of NAMBLA.

Obama would never sign her on as VP. She represents exactly what he's capaigning against: the past.

That said, she might be a good appointee for something or other. Her campaign strategy skills, and the experts she chooses to surround herself with, aren't very impressive, but she seems like a workaholic and could prove useful.

But, I get ahead of myself...

I hope that Obama can find a way to respect the positive values, legislation, and direction that the Democrats have offered "in the past." Obama isn't reinventing the wheel, he's extending the platform that already existed. Or am I completely mistaken about this? Is he running to be the first Democrat ever elected to the White House?

To Dana99 who said "Obama would never sign her on as VP. She represents exactly what he's capaigning against: the past."

Yeah Dana, now we know why he doesn't like the past:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56626

ha ha ha..... McCain and the republicans will have him for lunch.

ick!

Even I laughed out loud at this one! I'm not worrying about this kind of crap. But don't forget McCain's past, too...Keating Five and other such stuff that's got all the makings of ugly innuendo. And God knows who else might come out of the woodwork and claim McCain impregnated her or McCain screwed around with him...there's even some talk about poor Edwards and this kind of stuff. On it goes.

In any case, I suppose these stories will keep us amused as the election zooms along...

LOL. Obama has better taste in gay lovers.

Nothing Carville says can be taken at face value. When he says Hillary has to win in both TX and OH, he's setting up the expectation that if she wins - even by a whisker - in those states, she's on track to win the nomination. In fact, she needs to win HUGE in those states and that's what Carville is trying to spin away.

If Obama were to win WI and TX, don't you think the pressure would begin to grow for Hillary to drop out graciously?

Yes, She should drop out on March 4th if she loses Texas. WI is not going to be easy for Obama tomorrow. She may win it, then we are back where we started.

I think that you are wrong in your absolutism. If HRC can win Texas and Ohio and Pennsylvania, even narrowly, she can go into the convention behind in pledged delegates but claiming an ability to carry the big "important" states in the GE.
As long as she is not horribly behind in pledged delegates that is an argument that she might be able to win. After all, Obama will not have won the required number of pledged delegates either.
But yes I think you totally correct that losing Texas means she has lost the game. Pressure to quit then? I doubt that. I think it more likely that HRC takes it to a first vote on the convention floor.
But who knows?
Money will be a really big issue.

MSM is going over the top from NYT to ABC NEWS (not surprisingly) with the plagiarism story-
Obama used the words of Patrick Deval with permission.

I can't believe Hillary camp leaking a totally ridiculous story a day before the election. Especially, A$$HOOLE Reporters of ABC basically made it a front page story.

Ridiculous!!!!

Can't wait to see the headline "Clinton Era Ends"

Amen!

Permission? Give me a break. Retroactive permission maybe. The guy's speech writers have recycled so many platitudes from the Sixties they can't keep them straight. Ever hear of Millie Vanilli? Obama is an accomplished performer. Will that keep him from winning the nomination? I doubt it. For an American Idol nothing is impossible. This is a fact. Only 23% of Americans who are college grads or have had at least some college are able to locate Iraq, Iran and Israel on the map, even when those countries are clearly labeled.

Jeez,
Why are you so bitter? And what's your point about college graduates not being able to locate countries??

Billy,

Honestly, it's very hard to make reasonable argument if you compare him with Milli Vanilli and reduce him to an “American Idol,” and a performer. Elitists, who use a book on the shelf to claim their authority on intelligence, often feel the need to preclude the “common man” from political discourse for their own self-preservation.

While you accurately present a sorry statistic from- let’s say- a Newsweek article you read in the last month or two and use it as a witty statistic to support a cynical world view- I think it’ll be more helpful to engage the young (including myself) in the national and political discourse.

I work here in New York with some of the most under privileged children - and believe me they can use some hope because they’re already engulfed with cynicism and desolation, and probably they’ll very soon join the 23% statistic you cited.

While Krugman & Co. declares Obama supporters as a "cult," most of us are aware Obama has no magic wand- and if I messaih is my final resort, I would cast a write-in ballot for Jesus McCain Christ or Virgin Hillary Mary.

But it’s time to give a chance to someone new- who is new in more ways than one. While “Intellectual you” see Obama as an empty suit, “dummy me” sees in him an thoughtful and progressive leader- a politician with merits that outnumber his flaws..

And I do believe words matter in reengaging this country.

I can’t wait to read the headline “Clinton Era Ends.”

More importantly, I can’t wait for the day when the world- especially Middle East and Africa- read the headline “President Barack Hussein Obama.”

Please continue to share your unparlleled political intelligence to make us all less ignorant.

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Permission? Give me a break. Retroactive permission maybe.

Oh, Sweet Jeebus. I got news for you, Billy boy: You have ABSOLUTELY NO FREAKING IDEA

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Permission? Give me a break. Retroactive permission maybe.

Oh, Sweet Jeebus.

Both men had anticipated that Mr. Obama’s rhetorical strength would provide a point of criticism. Mr. Patrick said he told Mr. Obama that he should respond to the criticism, and he shared language from his campaign with Mr. Obama’s speechwriters.

Mr. Patrick said

he did not believe Mr. Obama should give him credit.

"Who knows who I am? The point is more important than whose argument it is,” said Mr. Patrick, who telephoned The New York Times at the request of the Obama campaign. “It’s a transcendent argument.”

What freaking more do you want? You are really going to sit there with a straight face and try to spin that as "retroactive permission", and thereby somehow diminish it? What, you want a signed letter of permission pursuant to US copyright law? You want one filed for every single damn quote he uses? You're scraping the bottom, Billy boy.

More from the same NYT article:

In their fight for the Democratic nomination, Mrs. Clinton has sought to turn one of Mr. Obama’s attributes — his oratory — against him...

Which is, as I and others have observed, straight out of the Karl Rove playbook.

Glad to see you're playing along.

Until Chelsea mounts her first campaign.

Looks like the fat lady is clearing her throat for sure. Unless of course, we find out that all likely Democratic voters in Texas are sexist, who live in a red state anyway, and they have weird delegate selection rules noone can understand, unless they are people who don't need a president, becasue they drink too many Lattes from Starbucks!!!

Well ... apparently not. Here's what Chris Bowers says:

"My best guess is that as long as Clinton wins either Ohio or Texas, her campaign will continue on to Pennsylvania no matter what."

http://openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=4011

Since TX and OH are the same day, a surprise Obama win in TX wouldn't have any momentum effect on OH.

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As with many states, Hillary's big lead evaporates as election day approaches and voters focus.

And I think Obama has not spent alot of time there yet! She has been there for days now...Can't wait to see his Austin event!

The problem is that HRC IS behind by a sizable amount. She is behind 130-150 pledged delegates. The supers don't matter at this point because there are enough left that will swing the election to whoever finishes ahead and is most electable vs McCain- which at this point is Obama.

HRC needs to win in OH by at least 20pts and TX by more because of the system. Right now she is up a max of 15pts, more likely less than 10pts with 2 weeks to go. If she doesn't she is almost completely mathematically eliminated from even being close in the pledged delegate count and even PA can't save her since NC has almost as many delegates and is favoring Obama by double digits.

Bottom line: Obama can survive if she wins both as long as they are within 20 pts. It would be better if he won TX but if not, the closer the better.
Hillary MUST win both by 20pts.
She may pull out the OH win by that much but TX is looking more and more difficult and without TX, OH doesn't mean much.

I was feeling kind of sorry for Borak's wife, Michelle what with all this talk about him and Larry Sinclair, but after her comments today, saying that she was "for the first time in her life" "proud of America"... presumably only because her husband's a candidate for president.... well, that sort of puts things in perspective.

Too bad she had to have someone in her family get a chance at being a presidential nominee before she could actually feel *proud* of this country.

I've always been rather proud to be an American and we don't have any presidents or ex-presidents in our immediate family.

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Learn to spell "Barack".

Sewer Rat; go back to the filthy hole you crawled out of!

yikes

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Try giving the full quote in context:

“What we have learned over this year is that hope is making a comeback. It is making a comeback and let me tell you something, For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change. I have been desperate to see our country moving in that direction and just not feeling so alone in my frustration and disappointment. I have seen people who are hungry to be unified around some basic common issues. It has made me proud.”

Nice to see you picking up the GOP blog talking points and running with it:

Free Republic: ‘First Time In My Adult Lifetime...

Hot Air » Michelle Obama hasn’t been proud of ...

Power Line Forum: Proud of America...

Tailrank.com: the name of self-love

The Corner on National Review Online

Bird's of a feather...

"Hope is making a comeback?" Hooray! What else is coming back en vogue? Happiness? How about flights of fancy? Is there a place called Hope? Has there ever been a man from Hope? I wonder if it's ok if he makes a comeback...

When was the last time Michelle felt hope? The Reagan years? Ronnie liked hope, too! And hard candy. I hope hard candy can make a comeback soon.

Are you still peddling that blow job crap? Give it a break, man.

i really want obama to win. but what am i going to do for entertainment if this thing is over march 4th? mcCain is boring! 8 months of mcCain v obama is too much.
even if it doesn't end in march, there is an 8 week stretch where there is only PA. whoever setup stupid tuesday wasn't thinking about what i am going to do with my time! how inconsiderate.

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Agreed. It really is exciting right now. Talk about a let down. I'm actually hoping on one hand that it goes to the convention. That might not be a bad thing. All the free press and excitement. It is something to think about.

maybe they can setup a redo for michigan in april. that might keep out of coma land.

liam: "Sewer Rat; go back to the filthy hole you crawled out of!"

You mean the one Obama used to enjoy?


I think the public has a right to know don't you?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56626

If this Larry collects that money, then we'll know the truth. And if its true, Obama's toast. And if he's the nominee, McCain will win. Simple.

We know where John McCain was in the past: Serving his country.

Guy, my friend, based on your little history here, it would appear you're only on this site to promote this link, which makes your contribution a bit suspect. But that's OK. We pretty much see it for what it is. We'll move on...

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Your link is like linking to Faux News. The fact that you are citing it for facts puts the troll hat on you.


Just trying to be helpful.

I notice how in the latest Rasmussen, McCain is leading Obama by 16 points in Florida, and leading Hillary by only 6 points. That's a huge 10 point difference in a state that Democrats desperately need to carry to win the next election. This is in spite of the fact that Obama's been getting great coverage and is currently on a roll.

Obama is a paper tiger and a disaster waiting to happen. Instead of highlighting how infatuated Democrats currently are with Obama's well-financed personality cult, TPM would do better to point out the very real electoral danger ahead if Omama gets the nomination.

True. But Obama followers are are just too smitten to see his clay feet up there on that pedestal they put him on.

I look forward to seeing the McCain v. Obama match.

It ain't gonna be pretty. Better put the kiddies in bed. Not for the squeamish....

No worries. Give him some time to campaign there and he'll flip those polls upside down just like he's done time and time again.

That's a huge 10 point difference in a state that Democrats desperately need to carry to win the next election.

First, Democrats don't need Florida to win the next election. Second, Obama is behind Clinton there because he hasn't campaigned there yet. In all other battleground states where both Obama and Clinton have campaigned, Obama runs 15-20 points better than Clinton.

Its true, Guy. What Obama is going to do to McCain's Bush-hugging, Baghdad-strolling Bomb-Iran singing, tax-cut-for-wealthy-supporting, anti-hope, old-guard, zombie-supported campaign is going to be pretty awesome to watch.

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It's a shame that her candidacy may have been done in by bad campaign management. I'm an Obama supporter but I still feel sorry that the Clinton campaign didn't have a good end game strategy. And they didn't respond well when Clinton was no longer the 'heir apparent'. If I was a Clinton supporter I think I'd start checking the wall for handwriting.

I prefer Clinton but I realize that there are some bad signals in the air. I still think momentum could shift in her direction, but it would have to happen soon.

I'm more concerned about how the Clinton and Obama supporters can be reconciled. I'll be supporting the Dem nominee, but I feel that I am being pushed away from the party. If the party's supporters are telling me that my experience and pride in the party's history is antiquated and irrelevant, then I am not sure how to react.

Let's try and keep this debate as civil as possible because we are going to have to work together to defeat McCain.

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dfx13, I've been a Democrat all my life and I'm not young. I'm an Obama supporter but will support the party's nominee (although I'm extremely disillusioned with Hillary Clinton). I don't think the party's supporters are telling you anything about your experience and pride in the party's history. I think some Democrats are dispirited about the party. I know that Democrats have long been superior to Republicans on every issue, but too many have sold out and timidly spouted the Republican line, either because of big money interests or because of fear that the country had tilted rightward and they wanted to be re-elected. This year, it's obvious that ties to big money may be lucrative, but won't necessarily win the day, and that there's no reason to out-conservative the conservatives to win. This year, a plainly liberal and sensible political agenda can win if it's brought to the people with a touch of possibility. That's what Obama brings to the table: sincerely Democratic values PLUS the potential to win. There's a lot to admire about the Clintons - I worked for him, voted for him, and defended them both through thick and thin. But now it's time for them to take their rightful place in history. Past history.

Thanks for a sensible reply that plainly respects where we have been, what we have fought for, and what we hope to achieve. (And Thank You for your contribution which is probably much more substantial than my own.) This is a perspective that I'm not sure I always see from the Obama camp, and I appreciate seeing it here. Thanks a lot. :)

You're a teacher? I find that hard to believe!

Billy,

Honestly, it's very hard to make reasonable argument if you compare him with Milli Vanilli and reduce him to an “American Idol,” and a performer. Elitists, who use a book on the shelf to claim their authority on intelligence, often feel the need to preclude the “common man” from political discourse for their own self-preservation.

While you accurately present a sorry statistic from- let’s say- a Newsweek article you read in the last month or two and use it as a witty statistic to support a cynical world view- I think it’ll be more helpful to engage the young (including myself) in the national and political discourse.

I work here in New York with some of the most under privileged children - and believe me they can use some hope because they’re already engulfed with cynicism and desolation, and probably they’ll very soon join the 23% statistic you cited.

While Krugman & Co. declares Obama supporters as a "cult," most of us are aware Obama has no magic wand- and if I messaih is my final resort, I would cast a write-in ballot for Jesus McCain Christ or Virgin Hillary Mary.

But it’s time to give a chance to someone new- who is new in more ways than one. While “Intellectual you” see Obama as an empty suit, “dummy me” sees in him an thoughtful and progressive leader- a politician with merits that outnumber his flaws..

And I do believe words matter in reengaging this country.

I can’t wait to read the headline “Clinton Era Ends.”

More importantly, I can’t wait for the day when the world- especially Middle East and Africa- read the headline “President Barack Hussein Obama.”

Please continue to share your unparlleled political intelligence to make us all less ignorant.

Ouch, SurveyUSA just released a poll that has HRC ahead by 5 points. (50-45)
One poll= outlier, 2 polls are more like a trend.

Polls have been a bit crazy in this election but the story still seems to be the same - Obama is closing the gap...quickly.
Odds of HRC pulling out the boffo win she needs to make up ground on BHO in delegates is getting slim indeed.
She will probably still win in Ohio, but if she loses or ties (more or less) in TX, she will need to get more than 80% of the votes in OH to gain the delegates she needs.

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Permission? Give me a break. Retroactive permission maybe.

Oh, Sweet Jeebus.

Both men had anticipated that Mr. Obama’s rhetorical strength would provide a point of criticism. Mr. Patrick said he told Mr. Obama that he should respond to the criticism, and he shared language from his campaign with Mr. Obama’s speechwriters.

Mr. Patrick said he did not believe Mr. Obama should give him credit.

“Who knows who I am? The point is more important than whose argument it is,” said Mr. Patrick, who telephoned The New York Times at the request of the Obama campaign. “It’s a transcendent argument.”

What freaking more do you want? You are really going to sit there with a straight face and try to spin that as "retroactive permission", and thereby somehow diminish it? What, you want a signed letter of permission pursuant to US copyright law? You want one filed for every single damn quote he uses? As I said, Sweet Jeebus.

More from the same NYT article:

In their fight for the Democratic nomination, Mrs. Clinton has sought to turn one of Mr. Obama’s attributes — his oratory — against him...

Which is, as I and others have observed, straight out of the Karl Rove playbook.

Glad to see you're playing along.

From www.newstreamz.com

KENNEDY MAY CAMPAIGN AT TEXAS STATE FOR OBAMA

Sen. Edward M. Kennedy will visit San Marcos on his swing through Texas this week to rally young voters for presidential candidate Barack Obama, a paid coordinator for the campaign told volunteers at an organizational meeting this evening. The announcement was made during a training session attended by about 80 local campaign workers at the Dunbar Center, several people who attended said.

http://newstreamz.com/news/texas-state-university

Yeah, I'm sure Ted Kennedy will help Obama big time. LOL. Are they bringing moveon.org too?

LOL

Hillary takes Wisconsin and Texas!

Apparently people are starting to see Obama's clay feet.

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