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Obama's Fundraising Set To Overshadow Hillary's Yet Again
A couple weeks ago we reported here that sources had told us that Obama was on track to raise more than $36 million this month.
This has turned out to be true, apparently. Obama spokesperson Bill Burton tells The Politico today that he's on track to announcing that the campaign has raised "considerably more" than $35 million.
Hillary is reported to have raised $35 million this month -- which means that Obama's haul is set to best Hillary's yet again and will overshadow what might have been a big announcement for her campaign.
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Begs the question, though, how much is for the primary?
February 28, 2008 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nitpick but you want to say "raises the question" :)
"Begging the question" actually usually happens in the answer since "question" here means "issue."
Either way, the principle is that the assertion is logically correct because it is based on a faulty premise. Circular Logic is a subcategory of Begging the Question but a non-circular example could be "I keep a carrot under my pillow because unicorns like carrots and I want to catch one." The assumption here is that unicorns like carrots. And, I suppose, that they would come to your bed to find one..
February 28, 2008 3:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you for nitpicking! That particular miss-use drives me seven kinds of insane.
February 28, 2008 6:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not nitpicking:
"Begs the question" is commonly used to mean a situation or event inherently calls out for further questions to be asked. i.e. A given situation "begs" that a further question be asked and may even indicate the answer.That definition is commonly understood and deconstructable.
Oddly, you're actually begging the question of whether your definition is the only acceptable possibility, and therefore your objection justifiable, OR whether it's merely your personal linguistic personality tic; your unicorn or perhaps hobby horse.
Safire and other prescriptive linguists also suffer from a fetishism resembling the pattern behaviors of autistics. While not actually autism, it often indicates unusually rigid and brittle thinking focusing on superficial and often arbitrary "ordering" of experiences.
February 28, 2008 10:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
You almost wonder why Hillary would bother to go public with this announcement. They had to know they would get crushed by Obama's fundraising totals. But I suppose from their standpoint they have to show their supporters and donors that they're still a viable entity.
February 28, 2008 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Trying to stem the defections. A Georgia super delegate came out for Obama today. If she can demonstrate that she is well funded to go on, it might slow the defection rate.
February 28, 2008 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is excellent news for .... wait for it...
February 28, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perfect timing. 10 points.
February 28, 2008 4:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
this is EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!
February 28, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think Obama may raise somewhere between $40 to $50 million dollars.
February 28, 2008 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
How much did Obama loan himself this month?
February 28, 2008 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well Senator Obama doesn't like to brag, so all that can be said is he did loan Hillery about $36 million this month.
February 28, 2008 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I feel like Hillary is just turning into a masochist...she is just asking to get one-upped by Obama, yet again.
Thank you sir may I have another?!
February 28, 2008 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary's 35M is barely enough for her to stay in the race
she finished January with 9M in the bank, but owing 5M to herself (or Bill) and 7.5M to others, hence a total of -3.5M
she spent about 30M in January, so I assume something similar in February (or maybe more, considering Super-Tuesday)
so her total at the end of February would be around:
-3.5+35-30 = 1.5
if she doesn't impress in March, I believe her donors will stop giving her money and she might have to stop her race for financial reasons
February 28, 2008 2:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't believe it. It doesn't make sense. There is no way that she raised this much just for the primaries. It's coming from the clintons and I guess that means that we should take them at their word. We all know how much that is worth.
February 28, 2008 2:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, yea. They don't have to file with the FEC. Please keep drinking what Obama is giving you, man.
February 28, 2008 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Read Michael A's comment carefully. He is saying no way this is all for the primary. Quarter after quarter Clinton's totals have been inflated by contributions for the general because her donor base is tapped out for the primary. That is a fact, not Obamajuice.
February 28, 2008 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, people are giving her money for general election like there is no tomorrow!
February 28, 2008 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Baahhh, gulp, gulp, gulp.
Three points:
1. The source is ben smith, not a release from the campaign. Ben smith is pretty much a propoganda water carrier for the clintons.
2. I said 35 mill for the primaries. If the clintons did raise 35 mill I wouldn't be surprised if they got whatever remaining big donors that didn't max out for the general to max out for the general to give them a pr boost.
3. If it's true, good for the clintons. Now they can pay back the loan to the campaign that they made as well as all the vendors that they have been stiffing all over the country.
February 28, 2008 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's why Hillary released it: because they'd rather be over-shadowed later than sound pathetic from day one.
So in other words, they released early to get a couple days of positive press coverage over what is an impressive amount, before they get beat again.
But that's better than limping in as a sad punchline after Obama already crushed you.
February 28, 2008 2:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
This sounds right to me. Better to be overshadowed later than sound like a whimper right from the start.
February 28, 2008 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
exactly.
February 28, 2008 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
It truly never gets old. I *love* this post! :)
February 28, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Glad to see all those mentions of her website during debates are working!!! SO reminiscent of Jerry Brown in 1992...
February 28, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
$35 million is chump change! I piss that out every morning on the way to Starbucks for my latte.
February 28, 2008 2:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
vamos united!
February 28, 2008 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I spend that much at Starbucks for my latte.
February 28, 2008 7:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, Greg Sargent, nice spinning job! So now the fact Hillary's raising $35 MM is simply brushed away by a spokesman of Obama campaign? I guess they should hire Greg instead?
Would not the raising of $35 MM by Hillary's campaign say something by itself? Does it not tell Mr. Sargent that there is also grassroot support for the Hillary campaign? Oh, never mind, Obama has more money anyway so he will win.
They should teach how unbiased report should be done with this nice piece of work by Sargent!
February 28, 2008 2:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're wrong here.
35M is indeed a nice performance by itself, but this is a contest and that's how you should judge it.
For example: Bill Clinton won 45M votes in the 1992 General Elections, and 47M in 1996. John Kerry won 59M votes in 2004. Is this making Kerry's performance stronger than Bill's? No, because one of them won his contest, the other lost.
February 28, 2008 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I bet you are not very happy to see this $35 MM figure, no matter how you spin it. YOu know your love boy will not have an easy time as you think. A lot of us will prefer McCain over a bag of air, period!
February 28, 2008 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well support McCain. No one is trying to stop you. You have one vote, just like everyone else, so do not try to bully us with your single vote being more important than others. It is not. Time for you to head down to the Bus Terminal to catch a ride on The Crazy Talk Express.
February 28, 2008 2:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
"A lot of us will prefer McCain over a bag of air, period"
are you sure? let me put it this way: next Supreme Court judge, you want him/her pro or anti abortion?
February 28, 2008 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't care whether my neighbor's daughter can get an abortion. I will make sure to educate my own daughter well enough that she will not need one.
February 28, 2008 3:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sounds a lot like "compassionate conservatism" to me.
February 28, 2008 3:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
As the father of twins conceived on the pill, take my word for it. Education doesn't necessarily stop you from getting pregnant.
February 28, 2008 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
to Aimey May:
Only a n unhinged fanboy (or fangirl) would even consider voting for McCain if they were previously supporting Clinton or care at all about what she publicly advocates.
Go ahead and doom the SCOTUS bench, lock us into another 100 years in Iraq, flush UHC down the toilet, rubber-stamp more civil liberty shredding and dig ourselves deeper foreign debt, and deny global warming. That's what you vote for with McCain, and all because of narcissistic temper tantrums because your candidate might get beat by another one who also rejects everything McCain stands for, and has the judgement to not have not authorized invading Iraq.
Thanks for proving once and for all that you honestly do not give a shit about actual polices or what Democratic positions are.
Way to go dumb-fuck.
February 28, 2008 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, great ability for name calling. Keep drinking what you have been given.
I know this place is not a place to defend McCain but I will give it a try. McCain never said the soldiers will be there for 100 years fighting insurgence. He was saying we could have a military base there for 100 years to safeguard the Iraqi democracy. Are you asking the U.S. milatary to be withdrawn from Korea and Japan. How many years are they there now?
When McCain gave your loveboy the news that Aqaeda is already in Iraq, your love boy said he had news that they were not there when Bush invaded it. Ok, he is right on this regard but does this change the stupidity of his comment that he will draw soldiers from Iraq and he keeps the option to send them back if Aqaeda tries to establish a base there. This comment means he would have to send the soldiers right back because AOQ is already there. McCain has it right when he said “That’s history, that’s the past. . . . What we should be talking about is what we are going to do now.”
Obama has many economic advisor from the world's greatest school of economics. Someone should have taught him what is "Sunk Cost". You makes decision base on today's situation, not on yesterday's!!!
February 28, 2008 3:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know it was McCain who told the ever so uplifting joke: Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because Janet Reno is her father.
Yeah, nice guy that McCain. I hope you guys are happy together.
February 28, 2008 4:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Aimey May- Obama is not a bag of air. He may be 10 years younger than Hillary-but his accomplishments are impressive too. This whole experience argument is just a campaign tactic because no one knows how to deal with the way Obama inspires people.
By the way-he is one year older than Bill was in 1993 and 4 years younger than JFK was in 1960.
Does that mean if Bill was running today we should ignore him because he is too young?
I empathize with you because I know how it feels when a candidate you really like starts loosing. But the problem is that no one knew that a person was going to come along who could so electrify people. Bobby Kennedy is the last Dem who could do that. I do not think anyone could have beat Obama.
Please remember-we are all on the same side. I am very passionate about Obama, but if Hillary wins I will do everything I can to help her win in November.
We cannot let a Republican get elected in 2008 or we will loose what’s left of the country we all love! Think about the US Supreme Court with one more Scalia!
February 28, 2008 7:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sure, one way of reading this is as an indication that Clinton must enjoy a great deal of grass-roots support. That said, there is no getting around the fact that the flip side of this same coin is that Obama enjoys even more. It hardly betrays a "bias" on Mr Sargent's part to note that Sen Obama is outcompeting Sen Clinton on nearly every front, fundraising included. This is simply the reality of how the race is at present, and any reasonably objective report on the race is necessarily going to make that fact plain.
February 28, 2008 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
How much does it say about grass-roots support if too much of it is from the fat-cat fundraisers she did on the East coast a few days ago?
February 28, 2008 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
And Clinton was also at a fundraiser in New York, Boston, and here in Washington, D.C.
February 28, 2008 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice reading comprehension. Did you not see it was disclosed a majority raised on line? Go back to grade school and keep drinking what you have been offered from the Obama campaign.
February 28, 2008 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Online donations does not automatically mean it is small donations (though that tends to be the case for the most part). You can donate the max. online.
February 28, 2008 3:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have no idea what percentage of this $35 million comes from $2300 donations vs what percentage comes from small (for present purposes, let us define "small" as >$500) donations. As such, I feel unprepared to respond to your worthwhile question. Do you have any specifics on the breakdowns of this $35 million?
February 28, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, Greg, you're a propaganda tool of both campaigns! How can you keep your head from spinning right off of your head? ;)
February 28, 2008 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oops, I meant to say "right off of your body". Urgh! :P
February 28, 2008 2:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Poor Mr Sargent, he just cannot win.
February 28, 2008 2:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's why both campaigns need to keep raising so much money- to keep paying off Greg. I hope he tips Josh well :-)
February 28, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
do we have any specifics on this money yet Greg? how much is allocated to the general? is the final total before or after she repays her debts, both campaign debts and the loan to herself? what's the average donation amount?
then once Obama releases his numbers we can compare. i expect the most striking comparison will be between time spent actively fundraising.
February 28, 2008 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry I don't mean to be harsh but are you stupid or what? At this stage, with Hillary down, how many people will max-out primary and give her general election money? Keep drinking what Obama is giving you, please!
February 28, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Then don't be harsh Aimey and stop embarrassing yourself. There may be people giving to her in a way that are maxing out, in order to inflate her numbers. Either way, her $35 is still less than what he raised in January - and in all indications will be MUCH less than he will have raised in February. Stop digging your hole. Fund raising is no longer an area that the Clinton's can claim to be more successful in. Not to mention they need to be raising a lot more money than he is - given the way they spend it.
February 28, 2008 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
According to reports I've seen in the tubes, some of the money is general election money, but the majority is for the primary. The thing to note will be if the Clintons are willing to say how much debt they are carrying (including the $5MM), whether they've made any other personal loans (or expect to before March 4th) and how much primary cash they have on hand.
If they aren't willing to part with the details, I suspect that means that something is up. Remember, they ended January with $12MM+ in debt and primary cash on hand of $9MM. They were essentially broke coming into Super Tuesday. And unless Penn and others took a pay cut, the debt has to be piling up (unless some of it has been retired).
More questions than answers. That being said, this is a monumental fundraising haul and Senator Clinton and her campaign are to be congratulated.
February 28, 2008 2:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
glug glug glug glug glug glug...
AHHHHH!
Refreshing!
February 28, 2008 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
before throwing all those harsh words, you should probably do a little research: Hillary finished January with 29M in the bank, but 20M of those available for the General Elections only
there are rules to this game; I recommend you to read them; if you do, blackstar's question would make perfect sense
February 28, 2008 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Important questions. Because she could still be in the hole... if a lot of it is just "promised" for the General. And given how she spent in Jan and Feb as well.
But it has a nice to it... and that's all the media will lap up.
February 28, 2008 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
last sentence should read: It has a nice ring to it... and that's all the media will lap up.
Oh, for an edit function!
February 28, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is money raised, blackstar. So it actually not only does not exclude loans repaid but includes loans taken. So she has at most really raised $30 million--which, do not get me wrong, would still be excellent if coming from supporters.
Until we see the actual disclosures, there is no way to know if other loans are included etc.
February 28, 2008 3:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hm, ABC is saying "more than $24 million."
February 28, 2008 3:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did this $35M include yet another loan from the Clintons?
February 28, 2008 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Uh, Aimey - you realize that if he raised more (especially as much more as it seems like they're going to have), that it reinforces that his grassroots campaign is much better...right? It's another measure where he's winning? That she can't say she has had 1 million donors like he can, right? That that's a REAL grassroots movement?
I understand you would like her to get her bit of favorable coverage - but it's not going to be relevant.
February 28, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
don't be so cocky here. It means there is a lot of grassroot support for her as well. As far as your 1 MM figure is concerned, do you know how many of them happen to buy a pin from his campaign event? LOL
February 28, 2008 2:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Uh, Aimey, they give those pins away for free.
February 28, 2008 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL - the campaign doesn't sell pins at campaign events. Outside vendors occasionally do, but that's not a donation.
And, even if it's a $10 donation or a shirt purchased on the website - that's money in the campaign's coffers and it's one person wearing an Obama pin instead of either not voting or wearing a Hillary pin. It's a further sign of grassroots support (which is BIGGER than hers and has been all along) and it's still a historic number of people. I realize trying to minimize the political participation of those who support Obama is a pretty typical Clinton technique, but it hardly makes it true or the campaign any less impressive.
She may come back and win the nomination, but minimizing those who support her opponent, instead of debating him on the ideas or having the integrity to acknowledge what's going on, certainly isn't going to help her in November.
February 28, 2008 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
"As far as your 1 MM figure is concerned, do you know how many of them happen to buy a pin from his campaign event"
are you suggesting that only 2300+ donors count? what next, only rich people should be allowed to vote?
February 28, 2008 3:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's not forget to subtract the debt that the Clintons carried into the month.
February 28, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
If she raised so much money why/how is she being outspent 4 to 1 in Ohio and 2 or 3 to 1 in Texas? Frightening that $35 mil just doesn't get it done anymore. Thank God for McCain/Feingold....
(is my sarcasm apparent???)
February 28, 2008 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just had to highlight this.
"I didn't mean to be harsh, but are you stupid or what?"
To quote Ricky Bobby, THAT just happened!
Could have at least followed it with a Rodney Dangerfield, "No offense!"
Is it really Obama and HIS supporters who have the superiority complex? Hmmm...
February 28, 2008 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am pleased to see Senator Clinton take in large amount of campaign funds this month. There is no stronger backer of Senator Obama than me, but I do want to see Senator Clinton be well armed for the fight. Looks like she will be.
That is good to hear.
February 28, 2008 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is not fair. She inked a multi-million dollar contract with Kleenex after New Hampshire. How can Obama compete with that?
February 28, 2008 2:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's "considerably more" NOT "even more", Greg (in the link to this story).
Why not use the actual words from the Obama Campaign's quote in the link to this story on the front page. It would certainly fit.
It's these little things that really get me on a site I love visiting daily.
I don't know if you do this deliberately or subconsciously, but why make that change in wording if not to downplay the headline?
February 28, 2008 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
My point is...Huff linked it this way,which is much more honest:
Clinton Raises $35 Million In February ...
Obama Brings In "Considerably More"
Why make the change since the total length is not an issue in such a short headline??
February 28, 2008 3:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would prefer your headline. This headline here sucks. It fails to give her campaign any credit for raising $35 MM, which is not a small change!
February 28, 2008 3:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, and I forgot:
I think ALL HRC's numbers are BULL.
Just like the 1st quarter of 2007 where they claimed victory over Obama's figure by a few mil and then months they had to "correct" the total DOWN, due to a "bookkeeping" error.
I suspect these numbers, whether 24 or 35, are BULL and meant more to keep her big contributors and super-delegates in line.
Even if we believe they've been racking in 1,000,000 a day. That's 29 million for the month, not 35.
I still think THAT'S bull or these some detail they are leaving out, like... ANOTHER LOAN.
February 28, 2008 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bahahaha
February 28, 2008 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
In one of the latest articles on the differences in the Texas ground game between the HRC and BO campaigns, one of the HRC coordinators said something to the effect of "At the drop of a hat I can bring in 100 paid supporters" to staff operations, etc. That comment, and the one above about how BO's 1 million supporters don't matter, reminded me of the early conversation between Michael Corleone and Tom Hagen in Godfather II, as they try to figure out who in the family they can trust after the assassination attempt. Referring to his foot soldiers, Michael says something to the effect of "But they're *paid* for their loyalty..."
If I were HRC, I'd rather have BO's 1 million volunteers...
February 28, 2008 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Holy cow will you Clinton posters please stop whining.
Your candidate hasn't won a primary in over a month and she's been substantially out fundraised over that period as well.
Clinton is lucky she's getting any positive coverage at all. Were she a lesser known quantity, the media would have been treating her pretty much like Huckabee, a non factor, since the Wisconsin primary.
Get a grip.
February 28, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
What happens to those funds if Hillary bows out of the race after March 4th? Can she transfer them to the DCCC (say) or what?
Off-Topic, but could someone tell Josh Marshall to either A) grow a beard or B) shave? Every episode of TPM TV he looks like he just woke up from a 3-day bender, for pete's sake.
February 28, 2008 2:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes.
She donate to party and campaign coffers, and to other campaigns. She can also hold onto as a future war-chest.
February 28, 2008 3:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks - I've been wondering about that. :)
February 28, 2008 3:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
ditto that
February 28, 2008 2:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
$35M for Hillary? That is great news... for Mark Penn.
I wonder how much of that goes to him?
February 28, 2008 3:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
For the sake of argument say he raises $55 million in February.
Obama Jan & Feb. totals: $91 million
Clinton Jan. & Feb totals: $50 million
$41 million buys a lot of tv time.
McCain raised $12.5 in January.
Even if he raises $20 million in February, he is still monumentally behind either democrat.
February 28, 2008 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
There won't be much $ leftover after they pay for all the rooms at the Four Seasons . . . and the Dunkin' Donuts . . .
February 28, 2008 3:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey now... I am a committed Obamanite and Aimey is maybe a bit, um insulting but she has a point that $35M is not chump change. Good for Hillary.
I think she actually got a lot of that from her base- blue collar workers & women, she probably doesn't have much left to tap into for the high $ people. Besides, now that it looks like Obama will win, I am willing to give HRC a little press boost for a few days considering the last few weeks have had to have been rough. I don't think it will matter on Tues.
Either way, it bodes well for Dems in the fall whoever the nominee is because there is no way in hell McCain will ever even come close to this. I think it also bodes well for gov't because it shows that the people you need to keep happy are the people donating to your campaign -- which in both Dem cases are John/Jane Q Public.
Of course that being said, I am really anxious to see Obama's number for the month. As someone who contributed a couple of times - including just a few minutes ago... I want to know how we did.
This of course is the real power of his campaign - the WE.
February 28, 2008 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Aimey said:
"Yes, people are giving her money for general election like there is no tomorrow!"
That's because there isn't. Not for her, anyway.
Aimey: "Nice reading comprehension."
Aimey, you can barely string together a coherent sentence; for some time, I'd actually assumed that English had to be your second language. You're about the last person to be commenting on anyone's "reading comprehension;" no one here can be blamed if they can't understand what the hell you're talking about. Your points (when you actually have one) tend to get lost in the name-calling and regurgitated catchphrases that make up the bulk of your posts.
And by all means, vote for McCain. You've clearly got a record of backing winners, so I think your support is (with apologies to idiotic) EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR MCCAIN!!!
February 28, 2008 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Aimey--I am curious as to why you come to this site. You are constantly remarking on how biased it is. I find just the opposite to be true. I find the most rational and interesting discussions here except of course when people insult people gratuitously by calling them "a bag or air." Do you really think you're going to convince people by calling them stupid? Are you hear to disrupt the dialog? Are you a Clinton campaign worker? I will repeat what I said in an earlier post. Why does dialog on the net often degenerate into name calling. Sometimes I fantasize about starting a website that would track people's comments on websites, find out who they are and publish their pictures, names and addresses. Maybe then people would think twice about what they type.
February 28, 2008 3:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm here to give you the news that not everybody is drinking Obama's Kool-Aid.
February 28, 2008 3:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do you accept that the way you conduct yourself pushes people away from your candidate?
February 28, 2008 4:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do you acknowledge that anyone referring to Obama's "kool-aid" is already enjoying a big tall glass of someone else's sugary beverage?
February 28, 2008 6:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
djd said:
"Sometimes I fantasize about starting a website that would track people's comments on websites, find out who they are and publish their pictures, names and addresses. Maybe then people would think twice about what they type."
No worries, djd. I think the Bush administration is already on that.
February 28, 2008 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't be ridiculous. I'm not talking about big brother here. I'm asking people to take responsibility for what they type on the internet. If you were in a public space with someone standing right in front of you, you would be less likely to call someone you disagree with stupid. That factor doubles if you know the person. Why can't the same standards of common decency be true on the internet--because it's anonymous. It doesn't have to be that way and it just coarsens the discussion and spills over into our national dialog. It's why words are important and why Obama is surging. It's about finding common ground. People are tired of arguing and uncivil debate.
February 28, 2008 4:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
djd - my comment was actually meant as sarcasm. I didn't assume that you were being serious, since publishing the pictures, names and addresses of those who say inflammatory things is both creepy and antithetical to maintaining one of the last forums in which people can speak (or type, as the case may be) their minds without fear of retribution.
But, if you truly believe that this kind of information should be available to one and all, I have a modest proposal for how we might address the issue: simply post your name and phone number in this thread. I will happily call you directly this very evening, tell you who I am, and then explain in as much detail as you like exactly why I disagree with you.
If you're not willing to do that, I think you've proven my point.
February 28, 2008 8:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
FYI: boys and girls,
Clinton Raises Over $35 Million, Gets 200,000 New Donors in February
February 28, 2008 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
If the Clinton campaign has raised so much money, why are they being so badly outspent in OH and TX? You'd think they'd be pouring every penny into these do-or-die states; even if they are going to stay in until PA, there's plenty of time in the calendar to replenish the coffers before that race. Any chance we can get some insight into that from the campaign?
February 28, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your question reads to my eye like a non sequitur. That the Clinton campaign is being outspent does not imply that it is not raising a lot of money. It simply implies that Obama is raising a lot more (just as Mr Sargent noted up top). She is spending plenty in OH, but Obama is spending even more because he is able to raise more (and also because he needs to spend more; she is, after all, still ahead in OH, even if only just barely).
February 28, 2008 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
know this place is not a place to defend McCain but I will give it a try. McCain never said the soldiers will be there for 100 years fighting insurgence. He was saying we could have a military base there for 100 years to safeguard the Iraqi democracy. Are you asking the U.S. milatary to be withdrawn from Korea and Japan. How many years are they there now?
When McCain gave your loveboy the news that Aqaeda is already in Iraq, your love boy said he had news that they were not there when Bush invaded it. Ok, he is right on this regard but does this change the stupidity of his comment that he will draw soldiers from Iraq and he keeps the option to send them back if Aqaeda tries to establish a base there. This comment means he would have to send the soldiers right back because AOQ is already there. McCain has it right when he said “That’s history, that’s the past. . . . What we should be talking about is what we are going to do now.”
Obama has many economic advisor from the world's greatest school of economics. Someone should have taught him what is "Sunk Cost". You makes decision base on today's situation, not on yesterday's!!!
That's the reason I will prefer McCain to Obama but I am hopeful I will get my chance to vote against McCain.
February 28, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know it was McCain who told the joke: Why is Chelsea Clinton so Ugly? Because Janet Reno is her father.
Yeah, nice guy that McCain. I hope you guys are happy together.
February 28, 2008 4:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here is a personal anecdote. I have been involved in politics off and on since I was two years old. I drove a press van during the first B. Clinton run. Now, I am pushing 40. Over the years I have given sporadically in amounts ranging from $50 to $200 (if I really, REALLY liked a candidate). Last week, I wrote a check to Obama for significantly more than that. I intentionally marked it for the G.E.. My reasoning is that he, unlike Hillary, has more than enough for the primary season. If he loses the nomination, it won't be for lack of money. In the event he is the nominee AND does a deal with that skunk McCain (who I used to like) and goes for the campaign finance limits, I will be asking for a refund. Then, I'll turn around and write a check for the same amount to a pro-Obama 527. McCain is trying to sucker him in to public financing because a) McCain can't compete in fundraising and b) KNOWING he will have well-funded 527s out there to do the dirty work on race, religion and terrorism.
This election is too important, on any number of issues, to play by idealistic standards. I back Obama in hopes that on policy issues he can lead this country out of the partisan morass. however, I suffer no illusions about the lengths the other side will go to in order to retain power. Thus, I will not be fighting "fair." Screw them the way they've screwed the country and the world.
February 28, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good points.
I agree he has what he needs for the primary against Clinton but he has a lot of work to do against the GOP/McCain before the convention which will still come out the primary pot so I am still giving small amounts to that.
However, I have been encouraged by a lot of things happening in BO's campaign on those fronts. A) He has a fair amount of 527s and unions working on his behalf B)He has been saying he will ONLY accept public financing if his deal with McCain includes 527s & the RNC etc which will never happen and if it does, well, then problem solved. I could be wrong but I don't get the impression that he will give much ground on that and the more he raises, the more leverage he has.
But that being said, donating to PACs & 527s in the fall isn't a bad thing either.
February 28, 2008 4:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good Point-I wrote about that a week ago. The Republicans will outraise the Dems for 527's. If they could swift boat Kerry imagine how they will come after Obama!
I want Obama to keep private financing. It will be better for him to take the heat for changing his stance. He will then have the money to undo that problem with lots of TV time. This is the first tme in 100 50 years that the Dems have more money than Repubs. I say, let's take advantage of it!
Besides-if all our candidates got their money from the electorate instead of corps and lobbyists, we would never have cried for finance reform in the first place.
February 28, 2008 8:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
A good whack of Obama's volunteers won't need any pay to canvass neighborhoods and get folks to come out and vote for Obama. That's free. And it needs to be considered.
Basically, I will leave it up to Obama to decide how the general election is played in terms of financing. Obama has good judgment and I think we can all rely on him to make this decision.
That said, 527s will spring up like weeds after a summer rain....
February 28, 2008 10:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
ALL_RIGHTY NOW!!!! logical consideration
Hear! Hear!!
I agree.
February 28, 2008 4:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey Obamabots, a question for you - Obama keeps calling John McCain John McCain and Bill Clinton Bill Clinton. Does this show a lack of respect from a young man? Even McCain call him Sen. Obama. Is it not more approciate for him to address them as President Clinton and Sen. McCain?
February 28, 2008 5:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
And Hillary -- pardon me, Senator Hillary Clinton calls him Barack. Are you outraged yet?
February 28, 2008 5:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not, not at all. They are supposed to know each other well through the campaign. I don't have any problem by referring to each other by first name only. On the other hand, John McCain is a colleague who has been in the Senate for quite a few years and Bill Clinton is a former President. They should be respectfully treated no matter what the differences in opinons are.
February 28, 2008 6:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
And you keep calling us Obamabots and Kool-Aid drinkers.
Does that show a lack of respect for us?
Please tell me why I should care what you think.
February 28, 2008 7:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why does Aimey keep talking about "Aqueda?"
Who is that? And why is she so concerned about them taking over Iraq?
Perhaps in a future debate we should question Clinton about this new and previously unknown threat.
February 28, 2008 5:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's a dog whistle, like Bush's pronunciation of nuclear.
It's Aimey's way of signaling that she's one of the people and not a "latte-drinking, Prius- driving, Birkenstock-wearing, trust fund babies" who supports Obama.
February 28, 2008 7:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is there video of McCain making his Chelsea joke?
February 28, 2008 5:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, there is no video of which I am aware. The joke was made at a Republican dinner in June of 98. He later apologized for making the joke. It was reported in many sources. The first link I found was to Salon.
February 28, 2008 5:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
The NYT breaks her fundraising down, although you have to sort through the text a bit.
HRC raised $35M in Feb.
$30M was over the internet
200K new donors for 300K in total
Average was $100
All but $1M is available for the primary
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/obama-camp-says-it-will-outraise-clinton/
February 28, 2008 5:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
300 K without counting pin-buyer or no T-shirt buyers is a fantastic number!
February 28, 2008 6:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you sure that her campaign is not counting t-shirt buyers? By law she is required to list those folks as contributors, so if you are claiming that they are not included in the numbers that Terry McAuliffe was citing today, I would be interested to see your source for such a claim.
February 28, 2008 6:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Drudge is reporting Obama's number is over $50 million.
February 28, 2008 5:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
If I were a betting person, I would say he will beat her by 1.5 to 2x so $50-75M.
He gained at least 300K new donors to her 200 (1.5x) and he had more repeat donors to tap to begin with.
February 28, 2008 6:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, his is bigger than hers?
February 28, 2008 6:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Aimey - You started your post with the phrase "Hey Obamabots," and went on to discuss about the importance of demonstrating respect by way of addressing people appropriately.
When you're prepared to demonstrate even a modicum of "respect" for the reasonable people on this site who simply fail to share your views, you might have a leg to stand on. Otherwise, the credibility train left the station quite a while back.
February 28, 2008 7:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Beetle, you're talking to a wall. As Aimey's subsequent post demonstrates. Good on you for trying, but you are, in fact, talking to a wall.
February 29, 2008 3:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Son, I'm telling the truth. If you cannot handle it, too bad!!!
February 28, 2008 10:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I heard from an unnamed campaign source, that Obama raised $35 million plus $1. Obama wins again! The time to be gracious to the Clinton supporters is now. It would be better for them to become Obama supporters in the November election, rather than annoyed losers staying home. Now is the time to be a big person.
February 28, 2008 11:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
36 million dollars is an incredible amount. More than any other politician in history has raised in a month except for what Sen. Obama raises. The point is, it shows Sen. Clinton will be well funded going forward. If money were all that mattered Romney would be the Republican nominee or Giuliani, but McCain won with far less money. It shows that Sen. Clinton will be able to compete going forward and that she is developing a growing base of small donors, just like Obama that she can go to again and again. If he bests her this month good for him. But if you look at how much she increased in fundraising from January (I think 12 million or so) to Feb. (36 million)she has shown a three fold increase, which means she has very good prospects for fundraising as the race goes on, should she win OH and/or TX.
February 28, 2008 11:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
The problem for her at this point is that it's almost impossible for her to win at this point no matter how much money they raise. There aren't really enough states left for her to make up the delegate gap. It's looking unlikely that she'll win Texas but will probably win Ohio. Even if she wins Texas by 3 or 4 points she might lose in delegates.
February 29, 2008 12:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nothing the Clinton campaign says can be taken on face value till the details are released in their filing. We cannot tell how many "grassroots" donors she has added this month, not where the greater portion of the donations came from till then. For one, in the last three days alone I received four separate donor solicitations signed by President Clinton, each one claiming that Hillary has been outspent once again and we must donate *more* immediately to keep her competitive. Every morning there was yet another different email in my box. My suspicion is that whatever grassroots donors she's identified lately must have been driven to max already with those relentless appeals. We'll wait to see. Compare the Obama campaign, throughout February I did not receive more than three donor solicitations and, they leave you alone once you've made a donation because it's all properly tracked and they're cautious not to max out donors or pressure them. Not a single one of the emails that I received said anything about how I must hurry and make a donation because the other campaign has just bought another TV ad, unlike the Clinton appeals. Someone mentioned that Senator Clinton must be a masochist, hanging by the thread and asking for more. Very well. In the end, none of it will help. The simple math is: even if she wins EVERY primary from now till June by a 15-point margin, she still won't be able to close the pledged delegate gap thanks to proportional delegate allocation. Anyone here who doubts it is free to pull out their calculator and take a whack at the math. In effect, all she can gain is a psychological boost to keep keeping on. But the bitter end will eventually come, and no matter what noise so-called super-delegates make now, there is no way they'll overturn the popular mandate. So, it's really just a case of taking all the punches while putting off the inevitable. Will she win Ohio and Texas? Who knows? Still won't matter. Hopefully, come Wednesday morning someone will find the courage to tell her that she may enjoy the bruising but she ain't no Muhammed Ali. Time for the next challenger; this fight is up. Enough blood on the canvas already.
February 29, 2008 2:53 AM | Reply | Permalink