Obama Wins Virginia, Networks Project
Exactly one minute after the polls closed, CNN, MSNBC and Fox all call Virginia for Barack Obama.
Late Update: That the race would be called so quickly is obviously a signal of just how big a landslide victory this is. But look at some of these exit poll numbers cited by MSNBC.
* Hillary barely won the white vote, 51%-48%.
* Hillary won almost none of the black vote -- 10% -- while Obama got 90% of it.
* Obama won by a large margin among white men, 55%-43%.
* Hillary did win by a big margin among white women, 58%-42%, which suggests that this firewall constituency remains reliable for her.
More soon.
Late Update: Here's another really interesting exit poll number cited by CNN: Obama had a 10-point lead, 54%-44%, on who is most qualified to be Commander in Chief -- Hillary's core campaign argument.
Late Update: One stat the Obama campaign will be trying to make a point of: Obama won the Latino vote by 10 points in Virginia, 55%-45%. But the exit polls show that the Latino vote in Virginia is all of five percent, so it's unclear how significant this is.
Late Update: Another key figure in the Hillary camp resigns.
Late Update: Two more Hillary staffers out.
Late Update: Here's a key excerpt from Obama's victory speech, in which he seizes on the occasion to train his fire on presumptive GOP nominee John McCain.















Yes we can!
February 12, 2008 7:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
WOW!!! That didn't take long, now the only question is by how much did he win VA?
February 12, 2008 7:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
How many landslide losses can one candidate suffer before the writing is on the wall?
February 12, 2008 7:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
go team!
Hillary's Gulianni strategy is bound to fail, unless she can bend enough rules and get the supers to overrule the will of the people
February 12, 2008 7:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Virginia is my home state, btw... and I'm feeling a little homesick at the moment.
February 12, 2008 7:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Looks like they did you proud today my friend.
February 12, 2008 7:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sweet, thanx.
VA was always a very reliable purple state as I grew up and started voting there, kind of priding itself on a certain amount of progressivism, not "backwards" like those deep Southern states. As a kid they always emphasized the state's role in the Revolutionary War and skimmed over the Civil War. Consistently, there were Democratic governors and usually one Dem Senator and so forth, pretty evenly split, with a lean toward the Dems except in more small-town areas. Repugs like Warner were not firebreathers.
Then things got weird in the 90s, with Ollie North coming close to winning a Senate seat and some stupid Repug governor who kept trying to declare "White People's Day" (to recognize the oft-overlooked role of white folks in the history of this nation). It looked much more like the deep South than it had in decades, before I was politically aware.
Now, Jim Webb is in the Senate. Mark Warner was hugely popular, and all (well, much) seems right again in my home state. Ahhhhhhhh......
Go team!
February 12, 2008 7:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
this is excellent news for Hillary!!!
February 12, 2008 7:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was going to say something snide, but then I saw your handle.
February 12, 2008 7:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
The fact is, the only states that count are CA, NY and NJ. And of course FL and MI. The rest of the country is just overwhelmed by Black people, Well Educated people, Rich people, Callow Youths, and people who care enough to go to a Caucus in the middle of winter, and people for whom Hillary can't be bothered to spend money on.
Any argument to the contrary is simply venomous, cult like, identity politics.
February 12, 2008 7:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes we can!!
Obama/Edwards '08
February 12, 2008 7:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, Yes.....OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH.....WE WON.......YES WE CAN...WE WON VA
February 12, 2008 7:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
this is excellent news for John McCain!
He won by 20%
February 12, 2008 7:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Huh?
February 12, 2008 7:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sorry...but didn't I hear that Virginia was the one place where Hillary "needed" to be competitive?
February 12, 2008 7:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes but she could not risk sending Bill to campaign in a place with Virgin in the name. Have to contain those Bimbo Eruptions you know!.
February 12, 2008 7:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
hilarious liam!
February 12, 2008 8:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fantastic. The demographics are interesting to watch. He's got some work to do, but he's reaching all the right people at each step. This man knows how to campaign.
February 12, 2008 7:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow. Wasn't this supposed to be the closest one tonight?
February 12, 2008 7:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is eroding her base. this will be bad news if these trends hold up in MD and DC...
February 12, 2008 7:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Primary...Obama only wins Caucuses...He won women, young, old, men, whites, blacks..yelow...green....but doesn't matter. VA doesn't count....LOL
February 12, 2008 7:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think the Gulianni strategy is more properly credited to Rocky Balboa. Wear down the opponent by leaving your face open to haymakers.
February 12, 2008 7:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Wait, the networks are disenfranchising voters in VA"... or not.
February 12, 2008 7:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who said Obama can only win caucuses?!?!?!
February 12, 2008 7:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can't see how team Hill can dismiss the 12th largest state and a state that could turn blue in November... They'll probably dismiss it as a "black state" though.
February 12, 2008 7:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Kind of hard when African-Americans were less than 30% of the Viriginia turnout. But I'm sure that fact won't stop the Mean Green Spin Machine.
February 12, 2008 7:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Penn memo: Virginia is dominated by activists. Clinton voters are hard-working Americans who didn't have time to vote. Besides, his support comes only from BLACKS expressing pride in his candidacy, except for the white men, youth, post graduates, independents, seniors, who apparently are just all welfare hustlers who aren't hard-working Americans. In addition, primaries are not a truly democratic test.
February 12, 2008 7:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Part Two of Penn Memo: There is a serious microtrend of voters expressing jubilation for Hillary. This is caused by these folks never hearing of Obama.
The other microtrend is with 54 year old (but not 53) white women with 11.6 years of education and carrying blue or black purses to their Protestant, non-Baptist, non-Evangelical church and have 1.5 dogs, at least one of which is named Lucky or Princess.
February 12, 2008 7:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
What do they name their half dog?
February 12, 2008 7:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
dc
February 12, 2008 8:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hi, that is very funny because I turned 54 last month!
February 13, 2008 1:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
looks like we'll get over 60% of vote in VA
February 12, 2008 7:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is unbelievable. Clinton's whole narrative - staying close in VA - ends before the night even begins. Unreal.
GO OBAMA!
February 12, 2008 7:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Virginia doesn't really count because Hillary couldn't win there among her key target demographic groups.
February 12, 2008 7:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I believe you got the women statistic mixed up: they went 58 to Obama and 42 to Hillary (see, for example: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/12/19457/6485/133/455485
February 12, 2008 7:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
republican are voting for obama - it's without a doubt who they want to run against ... just ask Bill Kristol.
C YA kool aid drinkers ...
Change? Give me a break.
February 12, 2008 7:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
gosh, thanks. by all means, let's follow the GOP's preferred strategy, it's worked out so well for them, after all..
February 12, 2008 7:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ah yes, because Clinton's strategy of safe and boring in no way makes her a perfect Kerry / Gore clone. That's because she has the trump card: a laundry list of scandals and pseudo-scandals to not be Swift Boated on over and over and over again.
February 12, 2008 8:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
CNN's current exits have Obama winning the state, 62-38%. They're not ironclad - the demographic samples are adjusted throughout the night to reflect the actual returns. But that's the prediction.
February 12, 2008 7:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Matthew Weaver, we miss you!!
Come out and play!
February 12, 2008 7:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, that's as likely as seeing a post by franklyO or any of the other Hillary apologists...
February 12, 2008 7:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh scratch my last comment, that was women in general, not white women.
February 12, 2008 7:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're half right. Greg was quoting the number for women overall. But Hillary did win among white women, albeit by a smaller margin - 55-45%. Obama, on the other hand, won white men 55-43%.
February 12, 2008 7:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, snark aside, if Hillary consistently loses white men by the same margin by which she wins white women, the latter really isn't much of a firewall for her. Sure, women vote at slightly higher rates than men do, but not enough to help if you aren't keeping even in every other demographic. Which she definitely is not.
She really needs to check and make sure her materials are actually fireproof before she hammers these firewalls together.
February 12, 2008 7:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg,
So that 90%-10% margin among black voters suggests the Reverse Bradley/Wilder Effect is alive and well - none of the polls predicted that margin.
And Obama trounced Hillary among women, not the other way 'round. So much for firewalls and other overemployed metaphors.
February 12, 2008 7:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg you have the woman figures BACKWARDS!!!
Check out CNN: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/dates/#20080212
February 12, 2008 7:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg you have the woman figures BACKWARDS!!!
Check out CNN: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/dates/#20080212
February 12, 2008 7:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oops, wrong link:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/index.html#VADEM
February 12, 2008 7:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
old white ladies, latinos, and asians.
lets go convert.
February 12, 2008 7:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
MMmmmmmm =)
Matthew Weaver isn't here because there is absolutely no way he can spin this as a Hillary win, which says a lot considering his ability to see reality as upside down.
But if he does come here, expect some combination of the following:
1) These don't matter because of the black vote
2) He is just like Jesse Jackson
3) These states don't represent real America, like only Texas and Ohio do...but Ohio might not depending on how the winds blow on primary night
4) Obama outspent Hillary, and she is soooo disadvantaged, you know, because Obama has a former president campaigning full time for him
I think that about covers it...can anyone else think of anything I missed?
February 12, 2008 7:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Doesn't matter because of the minority vote.
Doesn't matter because they didn't contest it.
Doesn't matter because OH, TX, nor PA were involved in the race.
Doesn't matter because we don't need these states in order to win in the GE (patently false).
Doesn't matter because Obama had the establishment (in VA).
Doesn't matter because VA isn't an example of a true democratic electorate: working families.
Doesn't matter because Republicans had an uncontested race (also patently false).
Doesn't matter because Obama didn't debate HRC there.
Again, doesn't matter because Bill never won VA when he ran.
February 12, 2008 7:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Matthew Weaver isn't here because there is absolutely no way he can spin this as a Hillary win"
Sure he can! How is this not a Hillary win?
What you're missing is that caucuses don't count, and this was a caucus, because Obama won it.
February 12, 2008 7:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
They were all primaries, so the caucus argument doesn't count. Or were you just implying that if he were here he would claim they were caucuses even though that is a flat out lie?
February 12, 2008 7:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know how you're not following this. It's simple logic:
1. Obama only wins caucuses
2. Obama won this
3. Therefore this was a caucus
4. Caucuses don't count
5. Therefore this doesn't count
Besides, there are black people in these states. And young people. And people who vote for Obama. And Obama advertised there. The whole system is a sham!
What is so difficult to understand about this?
February 12, 2008 7:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Zell, you're a NUTCASE (hah)!
February 12, 2008 7:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Damn, I wish I could edit my post, so that after step 5, I could add:
QUOD ERAT DEMONSTRANDUM!
February 12, 2008 7:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
(I'm pretty sure he was saying Penn would lie about it being a caucus)
February 12, 2008 7:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
I believe the argument would be that since Obama won, it couldn't really a primary but rather a caucus since it's not possible for Obama to win primaries... or something.
February 12, 2008 7:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
You forgot "Obama supporters are evil and mean-spirited."
It doesn't actually mitigate the results of tonight's election, but it still makes Matt feel better.
February 12, 2008 7:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh gosh, you are so right!
February 13, 2008 2:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
You forgot the passive-aggressive assertion that the Kool-aid drunk Obamabots are setting the party up for a ruinous defeat in November.
February 12, 2008 10:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
The more momentum Obama gets the larger the gap in black voters will become. I can see him taking over 90% of the black vote in Ohio and Texas, instead of 70-75%...
February 12, 2008 7:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting theory.... We shall see....
February 12, 2008 7:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg, when can you and everybody else in the media (MSM or otherwise) stop referring to these ridiculous numbers as suggesting Hillary has some sort of firewall constituency?
And what's with the construction of your second bullet in the update? "Hillary won almost none...blah blah blah." Damnit, you need an editor as badly as we commenting yahoos.
Call a spade a spade. She got spanked.
February 12, 2008 7:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg, where did you get your exit numbers from?
CNN's exit numbers show Hillary winning white women only by 55% - 45% not 58-42 you claim.
This is also a slow eroding of that demographic if you look at the split of white women in CA for example, of a 20% margin or the 32% margin in NY or the 31% margin in her favor in MA.
February 12, 2008 7:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks VA for letting America know you don't matter. Now it's Maryland and D.C's turn to scream they don't matter.
February 12, 2008 7:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
comedy gold... :)
I cannot wait to read the Clinton spin on this. Maybe they'll give Virginia a different name or something.
February 12, 2008 7:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fox Reports Hillary Wom Won 51-49...unlike what you suggest in your post.
February 12, 2008 7:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
oh I want to be a Clinton spinner! Virginia was going to Obama anyway because Hillary was outspent on TV ads again, the Clintons are wisely saving their TV buys for Ohio and Texas because Virginians are elitist squash players and book readers, not red-blooded American TV viewers like the good people
in Cleveland, Dallas and San Antonio. I think I've got the spin dynamic right.
February 12, 2008 7:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
You'll do. Report to HRC Texas HQ at 0900 hours.
February 12, 2008 7:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Currently, anyway, it would appear that watching this Democratic race is like watching the snooty "in-crowd" kid in school getting beat out by the one willing to dare. In a bizarre sort-of way, Americans are jumping on in waves to a "buck the system" spree and enjoying the hell out of it!
February 12, 2008 8:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Also caught this exit poll data:
Obama even won Latinos, 55-45.
February 12, 2008 7:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Those latinos don't really count of course.
Where did you get those numbers BTW? The CNN exit data gives n/a for the Latino splits when I looked a moment ago.
February 12, 2008 7:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Matt Yglesis's blog...
http://matthewyglesias.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/02/virginia.php
February 12, 2008 7:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmmm he only links to the CNN exits which do not show the latino breakdowns. Wonder where he is getting that number from?
February 12, 2008 7:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
There are two separate categories for Latinos on that page. Look further down the page, under "Vote by Race."
February 12, 2008 8:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Doh...
Only seemed to see the "Vote by Party and Race" breakouts.
Thanks.
February 12, 2008 9:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Some of you people (including Greg) are getting it completely wrong about the women vote in VA. OBAMA HAS ACTUALLY WON THE WOMEN VOTE 58-42. Please correct this soon.
February 12, 2008 7:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. Clinton won the white women by a 10% spread (55-45) but lost the overall female vote by 16% (58-42) to Obama.
February 12, 2008 7:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton Fleas Patomic region to El Passo- US Mexico Border. Again, not thanking the voter's who don't matter anymore.
February 12, 2008 7:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Each vote counts the same. Enough with all this crap about what skin color, age group, or genitalia group the voters fall into. Who ever gets the most votes wins. All the rest of this exit polling crap is demeaning and smacks of cultural apartheid tactics. One person one vote. That is what counts. Who exit polls the freckled people. They are a key melatonin cross over block that needs to be tracked.
February 12, 2008 7:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
From your keyboard to the chattering classes' ears, mi amigo..
February 12, 2008 8:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
You sir, are an idiot. It's all about the pigmentation here in America. Don't you know that you've got conservative whites here, and I think there are some whites who are probably not ready to vote for a blonde menopausal candidate?!?!
February 12, 2008 8:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cheesesteak to Gov. Rendell's private suite, STAT!
February 12, 2008 7:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
We'll be waiting for a while longer on Maryland. The polls will be kept open 1 1/2 hours longer because of the bad weather.
February 12, 2008 7:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maryland polls time extended. closing at 9:30 instead
February 12, 2008 7:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
OBAMA WON THE WOMEN'S VOTE
February 12, 2008 7:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maryland will now be open until 9:30 and not 8:00 pm because of weather and traffic problems.
February 12, 2008 7:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is Obama displaying the "reverse Bradley effect? In the Bradley Effect, a black politician underperforms the polls in the actual election. Obama seems to be doing better than the polls recently.
February 12, 2008 7:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think the Maryland 90 minutes may be good news for Barack. More the voter turnout better he does.
February 12, 2008 7:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Damnit, I'm really bad at this game, you are right, I did forget
5) Bill didn't win them so they don't matter
6) They are all Republicans voting for Obama, it is a huge conspiracy, because somehow Republicans want the Dems to nominate the most competitive candidate, instead of the one that clearly loses time and time again to McCain. Oh, and a lot of these Republicans are black, just so you know.
Ahhhh, you can't beat their BS
Idiots.
February 12, 2008 7:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
What appears to be happening is as people get to know Senator Obama the more they like him. As his name recognition grows, he expands his support, where as Hillary has already maxed out in both catagories. Senator Obama should be polling nationally at around 55% support level with in the next two weeks.
There comes a time when the majority breaks one way for the person that they want to have on their TVs for the next four years. It looks like they are now breaking that way for Senator Obama. When you have two candidates competing with policy plans that are not very far apart, then the electorate uses likeability and charisma as the tie breaker. It appears to me that Senator Obama has a big edge there.
Hillery will have to go negative, and that will make her even less likeable, so she is in deep trouble.
That means that there should be a late surge for him in all the remaining states.
February 12, 2008 7:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
It wouldn't be funny if it weren't so....funny.
February 12, 2008 7:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
He just won DC as well!
February 12, 2008 8:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
delmoi, are you Metafilter's own delmoi?
February 12, 2008 8:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Holy freaking cow!!!!! 20% of the vote in and obama is up by over 20% in VA. Of course, due to the media playing up race, the african-american electorate in VA was only 29%. Holy cow!!! Big freaking win and I was flipping out on the exit polls prior to the calling of the state. I can feel the mo. Holy Cow! Obama/Webb 08. Let's take our country back. Holy Cow! I'm going to church right now and do a couple Novenas. Holy Cow!
February 12, 2008 8:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
The spin from Clinton commentors seems to be that it doesn't count because 30% of the voters were independents or Republicans. (Never mind that Obama won by about 17 points among registered Dems, too.) What bewilders me, as people tie themselves in knots to say it doesn't count/wasn't fair/shows Hillary is the better candidate is...don't we WANT the candidate who inspires Republicans (8%) and independents (22%)? Clinton's supporters seem to be defined her base as smaller and smaller--no Republicans, no independents, no African-Americans, no one who lives in a caucus state, no young people, no one who drinks lattes, no activists, no one who can use the internet to give money. And here Obama won among working class Dems, too--how many people are left, exactly? And isn't coalition building a GOOD thing?
February 12, 2008 8:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
No exit polls conducted in D.C. So, the projections will be based on raw vote...
February 12, 2008 8:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Omg 30 point spread with 40% reporting. I thought she'd keep it under 20... There's just no way they can spin outta this one. The media's going to start piling on.. Can't just chalk this up to less money.. Virginia's an important state in November..
February 12, 2008 8:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dear Hillary,
So. The Democrats buckle again. They just passed telecom immunity. It's just the lastest capitulation by a party that was specifically elected in '06 to stand up to Bush. Kissing Bush's ass has proved so popular that Congress' approval rating now stands at 11%.
You, Hillary, are closely identified with this craven wing of the Democratic party. In fact, you were the only Senator who failed to show up for the immunity vote.
But the vast majority of Democrats want to see the Bush administration held responsible for its crimes. Ironically, we seem to be in the middle of a presidential primary where niceness is at a premium. Barack Obama has successfully branded himself as the "positive" candidate - and you and your campaign have been left to mimic his wide smile and vague rhetoric. Imitation may be the sincerest form of flattery, but it is not often a successful strategy.
Why not chnage the dynamics of this campaign and come out aggressively in favor of prosecuting the crimes of the Bush administration?
I, personally, as a voting Democrat, want to see this administration held accountable for its crimes. I do not want to see them all swept under the rug in the hoopla surrounding the election of our first black president. A president whose skin-tone alone is supposed to rectify all that has gone before him.
George Bush lied us into a devastating war. He spied on us illegally. He tortured prisoners. He condoned the sexual humiliation of prisoners. He funnelled billions of dollars to his friends in the oil industry. The list of his crimes goes on and on. The American people - and most especially members of the Democratic Party - want to see this criminality punished. Since Mr. Obama seems to have chosen the path of concilliation, this seems to be the perfect moment for you to become the champion of holding the Bush administration accountable.
This is your chance to turn the smiley-face campaign into a real discussion of what we stand for as Democrats. The perception is that you represent the interests of lobbyists and the powerful more than you represent the interests of regular Americans. You could change that, even at this late date, by showing that you would be a president who would prosecute the crimes of the previous administration. Mr. Obama is not well-positioned to take on the mantle of Prosecutor-In-Chief. He has staked his political reputation on getting along...with everybody.
I do not want a president who gets along with everybody. I do not want a president who gets along with Halliburton. I do not want a president who gets along with people who lied us into a war. I want a president who will defend the Constitution with everything she or he has got.
In the coming weeks, with their dearth of primaries, Mr. Obama's nice guy routine may start to wear thin with voters. There is also bound to be considerable disgust at the Democratic Senate's capitulation on the illegal spying bill. This is the perfect opportunity for you to capitalize on Obama's lack of specific policy proposals by spelling out exactly which crimes of the Bush administration you would investigate and prosecute.
I am an Obama supporter - but I would be willing to change my vote (my primary is not til May) if you showed courage on this issue. The idea that Democrats are just going to play nice with the most criminal administration in the history of this country galls me. I want the murders and the lies and the torture and the pay-offs at the very least investigated.
I announce here and now that I, Cheesemoose, will vote for the Democratic candidate who promises me that he or she will prosecute the Bush administration crimes to the fullest extent of the law, and encourage the legislative branch to embrace its duties to investigate the wrong-doing of the previous administration.
The choice is yours, Ms. Clinton: Accept the Cheesemoose Challenge - and possibly turn around what now seems to be a losing campaign. Or choose the triangulating path of Pelosi/Reid and of your husband during his administration (when he chose to look the other way at Bush Sr.'s criminality) and go meekly down to a well-deserved defeat.
Your friend,
Cheesemoose
February 12, 2008 8:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
>I'm going to church right now and do a couple Novenas. Holy Cow!
Oh yeah, Michael, he won amongst Catholics, too.
February 12, 2008 8:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
These Republican secret grand strategy conclaves must be harder to get into than MIB headquarters. It amazes me how those guys can get together, lay out their unified talking points, from which they never vary, and send out orders to their millions of minions nationwide without word of what they're up to, who's doing it and how they're doing it leaking out. Even when they go off the record with their co-conspirators in the MSM, they're all always working to their diabolical master plan to get Obama nominated so they can defeat him with negative ads that deploy the N word. (Which will of course leave him sputtering in impotent fury, unable to respond for weeks. He'll be totally blindsided by it because he never faced anything like that in all his years as a young black man in Chicago.)
Fortunately, we have Hillary's supporters in the blogosphere to decode their intentions for us based on inference and a the princples of triple reverse psychology.
February 12, 2008 8:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oy...Did you just hear John King on CNN liken Hillary's voter base in VA to that of Huckabee? Ouch!
February 12, 2008 8:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
>Can't just chalk this up to less money
This argument, as well as the "party activist" argument, strikes me as a little weak. The fact that she doesn't have as much money or the support of as many enthusiastic people isn't really good--it's like saying, "Well, he just won because more people think he's a better candidate."
February 12, 2008 8:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
A question:
All those Republicans and moderates who are voting for Obama in the primaries...do you really think he'll still have their vote in November?
February 12, 2008 8:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
If there are many Republicans, which we don't know, they will likely vote for him in the general. They aren't voting for her because they want a weak Democrat, they are voting for him because they like him. I can guarantee that if Hillary is the candidate every single one of them will rally around McCain and vote in droves to take down Hillary.
Seriously, how is Independent/Crossover appeal a bad thing to you Hillary supporters? Seriously, we can't win a damn election without it! That is why all the polls show we can't beat McCain with Hillary! Wake up people. Here, this lays it out pretty well:
http://thepersonalispolitical.tumblr.com/post/25882167
February 12, 2008 8:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
A question:
All those Republicans and moderates who are voting for Obama in the primaries...do you really think he'll still have their vote in November?
February 12, 2008 8:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes.
February 12, 2008 8:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
For the sake of argument, McCain is their nominee. If it's a Obama vs. McCain straight up race, 1 in four Republicans either stay home or write in "TANCREDO", probably in their own blood. The exasperation is that intense on their side.
So if McCain is going to have to make up those votes, where will he? From Dems disaffected with Obama?
I understand your concerns - I read your other posts. Obama could look weak on "the war". They can pound him with raising taxes.
February 12, 2008 8:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is the second blog post claiming the CNN exits show the latino vote breakdown, but the page 3 results show "n/a" for the latino breakdown. Where is the numbers supporting what Greg is claiming?
It isn't at CNN's exits.
February 12, 2008 8:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
What is it about Guiliani and Clinton, both New York champions, picking and choosing the state elections in which they figure they'll be competitive and then announcing for all to hear that the other state elections are moot?
February 12, 2008 8:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's fine, congrats to the media's choice. Texas and Ohio will even the field. Don't you all get carried away, this is a marathon not a sprint.
February 12, 2008 8:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bitter much?
February 12, 2008 8:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Texas = Hillary Country
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!! ^^ that's a pipe dream.
Ohio = Hildog land!
xD the Midwest hates Hillary Clinton.
February 12, 2008 8:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
So true and after Texas it will all become crystal clear. People are confused now and this is a bad time while more of Bill's staff move over.
This will be Mr. Alobama's waterloo and you read it here first.
Remember the Alamo!
February 13, 2008 2:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
30% spread still with 52% reporting. This is an ass-kicking.
February 12, 2008 8:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
A question:
All those Republicans and moderates who are voting for Obama in the primaries...do you really think he'll still have their vote in November?
Not necessarily. But Hillary definitely won't have their vote.
February 12, 2008 8:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, I just noticed something that I've noticed in other recent wins...
With 39% reporting in VA right now, McCain and Huckabee are both tied with 73,000 votes each.
Obama has 180,000 votes alone.
February 12, 2008 8:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Angry Mouse,
Perhaps not all of them, but my assessment is that he will retain/gain more indies than Clinton could.
February 12, 2008 8:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Isn't it amazing to hear how well the Republicans are organized in Virginia to set up Senator Obama for a fall.
What puzzles me is, how do those Hillery excuse makers explain why those mastermind Republicans were not able to defeat Jim Webb, and why they also lost the last two governors races in Virginia.
Have them explain that to we naive souls.
February 12, 2008 8:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Watching this VA election on the GOP side, it occurs to me they're not worrying at all about us Dems...they're wondering what the hell's going on with themselves! Huckabee's flummoxing them all.
February 12, 2008 8:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not a "Hillery (sic) excuse maker." I'm simply trying to understand this Obama thing. I understand that right now he is garnering support from moderates and even Republicans.
For example, Andrew Sullivan and David Brooks can't stop gushing about him. But I have a hard time believing that in November, either of them will vote against the Repulican nominee.
I'm not suggesting that this is some widespread, carefully organized effort on the part of the Republicans. I'm simply suggesting that some of the support Obama has now won't be there in November.
But by all means, keep the insults coming. It shows just how much a "uniter" the Obama campaign really is.
February 12, 2008 8:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think that the onus is on you to explain 1) why Brooks and Sullivan would say that they are supporting Obama, but aren't planning on supporting them in November and 2) why these Virginia Republicans and Independents are voting for Obama when they could be voting for McCain or Hukabee.
You are positing the existence of some extraordinary phenomenon without a shred of evidence. You are talking about thousands of voters doing this extraordinary thing. Don't you think that some e-mail or memo about this effort might have leaked out?
Plus if you look at the exit polling at CNN, only 7% of the voters in Democratic primary were Republicans (who went 70% to 25% for Obama.) More important are the Independents, 22% of the total, who went 66%/32% for Obama. Also, Obama is winning Democrats in Virginia 61/39.
Short story, the Republican votes aren't winning Virginia for Obama.
February 12, 2008 8:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
But... but... but... he is BLACK!!!!
/snark
February 12, 2008 9:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, Virginia's a commonwealth, not a state, so it doesn't count.
February 12, 2008 8:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Touché.
That's the keeper for the night.
February 12, 2008 8:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's fine, congrats to the media's choice.
let me taste those tears, they're so sweet...
February 12, 2008 8:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Marlyland
Exit Poll: Barack will over 60% of the vote, easy
February 12, 2008 8:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
If he won the Latino vote, no matter how marginal, that will be huge news. If Hillary can't hold on to that Demographic she won't be able to hold Texas as a make believe firewall. Unless the population is 80% old ladies.
February 12, 2008 8:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Both Massachusetts and Pennsylvania are Commonwealths, so Commonwealths can count.
North of Mason-Dixon.
February 12, 2008 8:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hi, again, AngryMouse. I'm an ardent Obama supporter who is always here for you....
February 12, 2008 8:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bill's latest broadside against Obama is that O's campaign is all "smoke and mirrors." He did not mean that as a compliment, but that is a very perceptive comment. Obama does have a touch of the magician in him. But in an unconscious way, Bill is putting down Hillary's campaign, which is all about "35 years of experience" and being ready on Day One. No smoke and mirrors there, no magic. In a way that Bill may not yet recognize, as a politician, Obama is a lot more like himself than Hillary is. But also subconsciously there is probably begrudging admiration for Obama on Bill's part.
February 12, 2008 8:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Once in a long while, we run across someone special who seems to "have it" and outshines all others. Obama has extraordinary communication gifts that Hillary couldn't possibly hope for, and he's intelligent as hell to boot (much to her chagrin).
How do you think she would've fared against dear John Kerry, who - like her - had mediocre communication skills.
She may have simply run in the wrong race.
February 12, 2008 8:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
How can Hillary keep getting slammed, and I mean slammed, in these states and keep her campaign going? Looks like she will lose Virginia 2-1. 2-1? This is embarrassing. She needs to go away.
February 12, 2008 8:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, 30% is not a 2-1 margin, but yes, she is getting her ass kicked tonight. If VA was suppose to be the "close one" tonight, I shudder to think what her margins will be in MD and DC.
February 12, 2008 8:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Obama can keep it close amongst Hispanics, might as well put a fork in Hillary. I can't imagine TX having a Villagarosa machine, which carried Hillary in LA County.. I can't put much credence into what Hillary did in NY or NJ, since that was her homecourt..
February 12, 2008 8:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
"We must come together to unite!" - GWB
Obama/Webb '08!
February 12, 2008 8:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think the calls for Hillary to drop out are premature. Until tonight, she was leading in delegates, and even with Obama's victories tonight, he still doesn't have enough delegates to win the nomination yet.
February 12, 2008 8:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
No she wasn't. The "delegate count" have been all over the map in various news outlets, ranging from Obama leading already to Hillary still up by 20-30... but tonight will erase that and she will be behind with or without SDs included, and it will only get worse for her before March. Question is will a tipping point in public perception set in before she can get to a more friendly state?
TX and OH may be a mirage that vanishes for her before she gets there. She had 20% leads heading into CA for example, and a 11% lead in MO the day before that race, and she barely won CA by 10% and LOST MO. And she only starts with a 17% lead in one poll done so far this month in OH. Obama has a lot of work to do to be sure, but nobody should be counting any future poultry yet.
February 12, 2008 9:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with you that she should not drop out tonight, and I clearly voted for and post comments about Barack Obama.
* A thousand total delegates are no slouch.
* She's set up her contests in Texas and Ohio.
* If the "experience" and "commander in chief" arguments are so persuasive, those two states will be her last chance to make the case. Those two states probably better reflect America's opinions on who should be Commander in Chief and the war/foreign policy than, say, Utah and Vermont.
February 12, 2008 9:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, 26% of GOP voters in VA went to Hillary. Those people know who they want her at the top of our ticket...and its not obama
February 12, 2008 9:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
5% Latino voters is still roughly 40,000 voters. Polls are conducted with only a fraction of that number of voters. Therefore, I think the margin can't be dismissed as important based on the low percentage of voters.
The more important important question is whether VA Latino voters are representative of the Latino voters in Texas and Ohio.
February 12, 2008 9:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, I am sooooo sick of the stupid media. I don't care if the people voting are purple, pink, blue or red. Also, I am falling off my chair about the catholic vote. Who really gives a gd sh*t. We are talking about somebody, anybody thumping the clintons big time by over 20% in how many primaries and caucuses. Who cares about the racial, ethnic or religious break down. It's really pathetic. We are talking about the CLINTONS folks. Let's remember that. The clintons are getting smacked big time and they shouldn't be. This is an incredible accomplishment and speaks volumes about obama's leadership, electibility, and experience. It's the CLINTONS. It's not some gang of bozos, even though that may be debatable. I am beginning to feel that the big mo may be insurmountable for the clintons. And for clinton people to whine about obama not being ready or not being able to "handle" republicans, you are out to lunch. This is the clinton machine that is getting smacked down and rightfully so. Kudos to obama and his campaign. Amazing. I'm heading back to my catholic church that apparently has gotten to be part of the exit polls. Amazing
February 12, 2008 9:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
to all the obama supporters, help drop a money bomb for obama tonight - $5.01 in celebration of the senator from Illinois (Lincoln that is), whose birthday is today and who is on the five dollar bill and the penny.
February 12, 2008 9:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am still waiting for exit polls breakdowns showing how freckled people voted. We must cover all the dividing lines. That one person one vote approach is so over rated.
February 12, 2008 9:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Didn't you hear liam. The freckled vote is breaking 60/40 for the clintons. Obama is doomed, doomed I tell you due to the freckled vote.
February 12, 2008 9:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just a reminder: Obama voted against the bill granting retro immunity to the telecoms. Hillary had better things to do, was in VA campaigning.
February 12, 2008 9:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
But But But, I though Hillary is the self Proclaimed Warrior Princess who was going to fight all Republican Dragons on our behalf. Perhaps she did not hear the bugle call.
February 12, 2008 9:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I created an account just to say this (And it's probably been said):
The red state wins are significant for Obama. Clearly red-state democrats are a better predictor of an candidate's red-state performance in the GE than are states like CA, NH, etc. From an electability standpoint, it would be best for Dems to go in to the GE with the candidate with the red-state appeal.
Can anyone say that HRC has red-state appeal?
February 12, 2008 9:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can! Hillary is better for red states. But the best red state is Texas and she will win and it's the one that really matters. Hillary is a good thing and people there are jewbalint to see her very much.
February 13, 2008 2:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am still waiting on exit polls breakdowns of how people voted according to their shoe sizes. Yes shoe sizes. We must not leave any physical dividing lines unplowed.
February 12, 2008 9:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree that Red State appeal is good, but it's certainly not progressive. I was living in Virginia in 2005 during the gubernatorial race, and it astounded me. It seemed very much like a race to show who loved the death penalty more. Tim Kaine (D) was running radio ads assuring people that he would uphold the death penalty, that he wasn't opposed to it, yea! death penalty, etc.
So winning over Virginia is important, but it's also important to realize that it mean more moderate and Blue Dog democrats.
February 12, 2008 9:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Point taken Angry Mouse. I remember those races... were it not for NoVA voters Dems like Kaine and Warner might have been out of luck there. But VA was where George Allen felt he could get away with Macaca... clearly there is a lot of progress to be made. That said, there may be a difference between national and state/local politics. Then again, maybe not.
February 12, 2008 9:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
He voted for the damn bankruptcy bill!
February 12, 2008 9:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Brooks has not said he's supporting Obama (that I'm aware of). He's just been one of those conservatives who heaps praise on him. But he also loves McCain, so I'm sure that come November, that's how he'll vote. As for Sullivan, well, who knows. He was for Dubya before he was against him. He's in love with Obama now, but that doesn't mean that he won't vote for McCain in November.
Let me say again that I don't believe this is some coordinated plot by the Republicans to choose Obama because they think they can beat him more easily. That is not what I believe.
I simply question the support Obama currently has from people who do not usually vote Democratic. I wonder if that support will hold through November.
I understand that there is momentum for Obama, and right now, the polls say Obama will beat McCain. But a year ago, there was momentum for Giuliani, and we know where he ended up.
I think it's premature (and tacky) to put a nail in the coffin of what has been a very strong campaign. And I think it is legitimate to question whether the people who vote for Obama now will vote for him in November.
February 12, 2008 10:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Everyday logic says that if you vote today for candidate A over candidate B, you are most likely to vote for candidate A over candidate B tomorrow, or in November.
You are suggesting that there is some reason to believe that everyday logic is wrong in this case. Where is your evidence? As far as I can tell, there is none.
February 12, 2008 10:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
If voter preferences were static, wouldn't Hillary have won the nomination by now?
February 12, 2008 10:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nobody said that they were static. No one has voted for Clinton twice, or has had the chance to vote for Clinton twice. Telling a pollster that you plan to vote for someone is different than actually voting for them.
You are making the argument that voters who voted for Obama over McCain in January or February will vote for McCain over Obama in November. Sure that is possible, some surely will. But you are saying that there is general mechanism in play here where people who would normally vote for McCain in the primaries have decided to vote for Obama instead.
Sure that is possible. Where is your evidence?
February 12, 2008 10:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I jusr watched his speech. He gets better and better. VOW He is starting to unite America against McCain.
February 12, 2008 10:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ahhh, life is indeed wonderful; they voted Obama.
February 12, 2008 10:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg,
You need to bone up on your statistics.
"One stat the Obama campaign will be trying to make a point of: Obama won the Latino vote by 10 points in Virginia, 55%-45%. But the exit polls show that the Latino vote in Virginia is all of five percent, so it's unclear how significant this is."
The fact that the Latino vote in Virginia is only five percent of the total has no significance, unless you are supposing the Virginia Latinos are somehow unrepresentative of Latinos in the rest of the country because of the small number of them in Virgina.
Maybe the Virginia Latinos didn't get the same memo as Texas Latinos?
February 12, 2008 10:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dana99, you make a great point about Hillary running in the wrong race. Why didn't run in 2004? Not because it was too close to the Clinton era, or because she wasn't a senator long enough, but because defeating an incumbent is harder than going for an open seat. So for all her service and selflessness, she didn't heed the country's call when we needed her, and had a weak field, to boot. Do you think she campaigned for Kerry with her fingers crossed behind her back, hoping she'd have this clear shot in 2008?
Based on her recent performance, I don't think she's presidential material, anyway.
February 12, 2008 10:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I gather that this is the virtual Obama victory party. I just wanted to show up and say hi to all of my fellow Obama supporters. Did you actually believe a few weeks ago that we would be in this place now? Victory sure is sweet! Here's looking forward to many more.
February 12, 2008 11:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Guess we'll find out in November.
February 13, 2008 1:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
You guys just don't get it. Virginia does not really matter and DC is not even a state so there votes won't count. Women in Texas will save our Hillary. That's when she will come back and all you haters will be sorry. The emotion from there will sweep over the country. Oh and don't forget about all those Auto super delegates who are still loyal to women and will give it to her. I feel sorry for her and she gets my sympathy and women in general. This is so hard for her and everyone's ganging up and so unfair. She is tired and we need to give her a pickup. Hillary is supposed to be the next one because she was First lady and Chelsea is her daughter and so pretty. We all owe this to her, and I for one will not let her down, especially after all the crap with Bill and the troubles. It wasn't supposed to go this way. We need a woman in there and she can do it better than any man. Hillary is a fighter and won't be denied. Let's kick some butt and spruce up the White house. That's some real change. You go girl and chin up!!!
February 13, 2008 1:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's true: if HRC wins the GE, then Chelsea will be able to have a claimed record of 16 years White House experience, ensuring a guaranteed front runner status in 2016 -- the first year she is eligible to run for POTUS.
February 13, 2008 1:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
You are right. Thank you for that. People are so mean.
I mean, She wasn't able to be there very much and Alobama just spent more money and took advantage of her. We knew he would try to sneak this one out.
But he didn't do that well and for only a few votes anyway, so no matter. Texas is where it's at. Yeah Ann Richards! Mr. Alobama can't touch her there because it's a red state. You go Hill!!!
February 13, 2008 1:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, you are wrong Mr. because women like Hillary and not Alobama. She will win! You just wait and watch.
February 13, 2008 2:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
The exit polls in VA are bad news for Democrats in November. McCain has a natural advantage in VA given his military experience (i.e., Jim Webb). The "white male vote" as it has been called went for Obama, but that may just be an anti-Hillary vote. My instinct is that the "white male vote" in VA will go for McCain, a war hero, hellraiser at Annapolis, and perceived moderate on many issues (immigration, McCain-Feingold, etc.)
February 13, 2008 10:05 AM | Reply | Permalink