Obama Responds: I Will Never Use "Threat Of Terrorism To Scare Up Votes"
Okay, Obama has now directly responded to Hillary's ad asking who you want in the White House at 3 A.M. when the red phone rings and your kids are safely asleep.
And his reply suggests that the Obama camp is grabbing at this as an opportunity to draw the contrast yet again that they've been drawing throughout the campaign -- that judgment, rather than the reflexive use of force, is what's required most in national security crisis situations.
Here's some vid of Obama responding at an event today...
Here's the transcript -- sent over by his campaign:
I do want to take a moment to respond, because the press is, I’m sure, curious, to an ad that Senator Clinton is apparently running today. It asks a legitimate question. It says, who do you want answering the phone in the White House when it's 3:00 a.m. and something has happened in the world. It’s a legitimate question. And we’ve seen these ads before. They’re usually the kind that play upon people's fears and try to scare up votes.
"We've seen these ads before" is a subtle reference to GOP fearmongering in campaigns past, obviously. More from Obama:
I don't think these ads will work this time because the question is not about picking up the phone. The question is, what kind of judgment will you exercise when you pick up that phone. In fact, we have had a red phone moment; it was the decision to invade Iraq.Senator Clinton gave the wrong answer. George Bush gave the wrong answer. John McCain gave the wrong answer. I stood up and I said that a war in Iraq would be unwise. It cost us thousands of lives and billions of dollars. I said that it would distract us from the real threat that we face, and that we should take the fight to al Qaeda in Afghanistan. That’s the judgment I made on the most important foreign policy decision of our generation.
Obama also makes another implicit comparison between Hillary's ad and Rovian scaremongering:
I will never see the threat of terrorism as a way to scare up votes, because it's a threat that should rally the country around our common enemies. That is the judgment we need at 3:00 a.m., and that's the judgment that I am running for as president of the United States of America.

Comments (111)
Bravo, Obama!
February 29, 2008 12:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Now, one of Clinton's laws of politics is this. If one candidate is trying to scare you and the other one is try get you to think, if one candidate is appealing to your fears and the other one is appealing to your hopes, you better vote for the person who wants you to think and hope."
Guess who said that?
Answer: Bill Clinton-2004
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0410/25/pzn.01.html
February 29, 2008 12:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
right on!
February 29, 2008 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
w00t Obama! I remember that quote by Clinton and agreed with it then as I do now. Who knew it would come back to haunt him?
February 29, 2008 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
The video clip is up on YouTube now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZW0m2nWB_M
February 29, 2008 2:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bil Clinton uses the same line 9:06 into this speech from October 25, 2004:
http://www.archive.org/download/102504_penn/102504_penn.wmv
February 29, 2008 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Man this guy is good!
February 29, 2008 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope he sticks to that pledge. It's apparently rather hard to resist.
February 29, 2008 12:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I haven't seen one yet and I see NO reason why he'd run them against mccain. He will laughingly swat them away from mccain better than he can against Hillary.
February 29, 2008 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
He doesn't have to initiate ads to use the "threat of terrorism to scare up votes." He sits back and waits until someone gives him an opening to employ the threat. Clinton puts out the experience vs. inexperience comparison, and Obama responds with the ol' "Clinton-blew-it-the-first-time, can-you-really-trust-her-judgment-a-second-time" argument. Obama feigns innocence, but he's as guilty (if not more so given that it was Bush's poor judgment that got us into Iraq, not Clinton's) of employing scare tactics. It was the same scenario with the Clintons-are-racists meme. Others made & perpetuated the false claims of racism, and Obama let them. He could easily have put a stop to the lie, but he didn't. In fact, his own wife was pushing the "fairy tale" lie.
February 29, 2008 6:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Does the Clinton campaign NOT have anyone playing devil's advocate during their media strategy? It's like they were oblivious to the fact that when the rubber met the road, she blew the test. Now all he has to do is remind them, yet again, that she got it wrong.
It's like they are trying to throw the race.
February 29, 2008 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Needs to be repeated:
"Now one of Clinton’s laws of politics is this: If one candidate’s trying to scare you and the other one’s trying to get you to think, if one candidate’s appealing to your fears and the other one’s appealing to your hopes, you better vote for the person who wants you to think and hope."
-Bill Clinton, 2004
February 29, 2008 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Speaking of, Olbermann (I think) had a clip of Bill using 9/11 to defend Hillary's war vote (She's from New York, etc...) Did anyone see that? I'd love to find the exact quote.
February 29, 2008 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oooooh.... I just love that last paragraph!
Judgment .... connected with not playing the fear card.
This man keeps rising in my estimation!
♪♪♪
February 29, 2008 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ohiomeister posted this on another thread and it is just superb.
"Now one of Clinton’s laws of politics is this: If one candidate’s trying to scare you and the other one’s trying to get you to think, if one candidate’s appealing to your fears and the other one’s appealing to your hopes, you better vote for the person who wants you to think and hope."
-Bill Clinton, 2004
I love how Obama uses Bills line on experience already about having the right kind and wrong kind of experience. I also like how he says we are buildign a bridge to the 21st century not back to the 20th centrury.
Something tells me that in the late evening 6 months from now Bill Clinton and Hill are going to realize that they were running against a better version of Clinton with his own lines being used against him..hahaha...I can hear Bill saying ..you lost again to me, babe...ha hahaha, that will get her goat for sure...lol lol lol..
The other thing I think of note here is that Axelrod also use to work for Clinton...I know he was the one that produced Bill's 'building a bridge to the next century' line.
I wonder now if he also is responsible for this hope vs. fear comment Ohiomeister posted as well as Bill's rightkind and wrongkind of experience line.
Something tells me he was as Axelrod's dominant theme with all the candidates he coaches are aspirational messages...and Bill was aspirational for his time...just like Obama is now.
Bill Clinton is watching himself fade into the sunset with his own words!
I LOVE IT!!!
Obama is in it to win it...as he spins out the paint for another behind the back pass from his right to his left hand for a SWEEEET layup!!
February 29, 2008 12:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
he doesn't get enough credit for taking every single possible chance to reply to one of these petty daily "issues" and knocking it out of the park with a perfect answer. that kind of responding is essential to winning a general election.
February 29, 2008 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
The only problem with the Obama team response, is that too many times Sen. Obama didn't bother to "answer the phone". All those present votes show some pretty poor judgement on his part.
February 29, 2008 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yawn...
So the Illinois legislature routinely makes use of "Present" votes. So what?
The better measure is how many times he voted "present" in Congress. The better measure is how many pieces of legislation he authored, sponsored, and shepherded into law through an obstructionist congress.
February 29, 2008 12:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
you're an idiot.
February 29, 2008 12:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you sure that its not that he isn't "ready to lead on day one", or that his middle name is scary...............
February 29, 2008 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK, for about the zillionth time, here's what a present vote in the Illinois Legislature indicates:
Voting Present in the State Legislature is Used as A Signal to the Other Party, Not As a Way to Duck the Issue. A present vote is a third option to an up or down "yes" or "no" that is used with great frequency in the Illinois General Assembly. It has many varied and nuanced meanings that, in the context of the actual bills, border on boring. It's most important use is as a signal – to the other party, to the governor, to the sponsor -- to show a willingness to compromise on the issue if not the exact bill, to show disapproval for one aspect of the bill, to question the constitutionality of the bill, to strengthen the bill. [Chicago Daily Herald, 3/10/04]
Obama Would Vote 'Present' On Unconstitutional Bills, Saying He Tried To Resist Bad Votes That Make Good Politics. The AP reported, "Obama says his 'present' votes often come on bills that he believes are unconstitutional. 'I have tried to not succumb to the temptation of voting on bad laws just because it makes for good politics,' Obama said." [AP, 9/9/04]
Senators Would Vote Present If They Had 'Unresolved Worries.' The State Journal-Register reported, "Sen. George Shadid, the Edwards Democrat who is pushing the legislation, promised Senate Education Committee members that he wouldn't move ahead with Senate Bill 368 'unless I can get a good consensus.'…Four committee members cited unresolved worries when they voted 'present' on the measure, which passed 7-0." [State Journal-Register, 2/27/03]
This attack on his present votes is really weak. How about the votes that Hillary has missed altogether (one that comes to mind immediately is her missing the vote on Telecom immunity - courageous, huh?) Get the facts before you continue to spout inaccuracies and fallacies.
February 29, 2008 12:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Carol, will you stop whining please?
February 29, 2008 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Billy, if you think this is whining then you haven't read the Hillary supporters' posts - just look at any of Aimey's and you'll see what whining is. Pointing out inaccuracies and falsehoods with statements of fact is NOT whining.
February 29, 2008 1:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
What part of her post is "whining"? That she said "zillionth"? Or, is it simply because she's a woman that you're using that language? ;)
February 29, 2008 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you, Ben. This is a recurring theme of his posts today - it seems all he has to resort to at this point.
February 29, 2008 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, thank you. Although I'll admit I haven't looked too hard at it, and I was aware there was a good explanation (because I trusted what many other respectable people on this site had alluded to), your post was the first one I read that gave a nice, concise explanation of why his present votes weren't just avoiding the issue.
February 29, 2008 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
How was that whining exactly? You were kidding, right? You're not actually a pimple, right?
February 29, 2008 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please stop whining. It's not dignified.
February 29, 2008 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sir,
reposting childish gibberish with the clear intent to annoy, a tactic so immature my 5 year old has outgrown it, is not dignified.
February 29, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Billy is really a HRC apologist - but if your prefer pimp, I would not object.
I think the thread really deals with fear mongering of the worst sort, so it is really sad when HRC advocates hijack the thread keep the discussion off-topic.
As for myself, it makes me proud to see a politician that tries to unite people through our hopes rather than our fears.
February 29, 2008 5:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
for the record, I said 'pimple', not 'pimp'.
March 1, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or, I mean, what Carol said.
February 29, 2008 2:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
splinter, I encourage you to look deeper into this issue. You're being had. "Present" in the IL legislature is a strategic move. Obama voted "present" on bills he sponsored. NARAL asked him to vote present on an abortion bill.
February 29, 2008 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
The vote is often used when your name is associated with whatever they are trying to pass. The idea being on your own bills, motions, amendments and so on, you say present.
I don't recall the numbers (Obama mentioned it on Charlie Rose a few years back), but it is a substantial amount that he is on.
March 2, 2008 4:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Here is my complete point by point analysis of her ad, my response, and a preview of Hillary's next fearmongering ad:
http://thepersonalispolitical.tumblr.com/post/27622528
February 29, 2008 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Boy, Obama doesn't let those charges sit out there very long before he smacks them down, does he? You gotta give him credit, he hits back swiftly and he hits back hard. Much more so than any Democratic candidate I can recall. (Maybe this was what things were like with Bill Clinton's war room, but I young enough at the time that I couldn't fully understand it like I do now.)
February 29, 2008 12:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
"The only problem with the Obama team response, is that too many times Sen. Obama didn't bother to "answer the phone". All those present votes show some pretty poor judgement on his part."
The problem with your answer is that the "present vote" meme has been explain to death as a part of Illinois legislature - you have to dust off another 45 to play.
February 29, 2008 12:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama shows once again that you do not have to be a hyper-partisan to be strong and stand-up to fear-mongering.
All of the Edwards folks and HRC folks who have been predicting that "Obambi" will be crushed by the Republicans, take note: this is how it is done. Makes me proud to be a Democrat!
February 29, 2008 12:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!
February 29, 2008 12:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sports metaphors work in terns of how Obama responds...I think the quick pace of basketball up and down the court trading baskets is standing Obama in good stead with this type of back and forth word play.
Let's recall, Obama showed his ability to do this early on when that Aussie came out and attacked him about our troops in Iraq...Obama told him that if he wanted to stay and fight the good fight let him pony up another 10,000 troops to send over there.
That was awesome.
I beleive we have to give Obama credit for aiming his firepower at McCain...he knows that he is going to need Hillary's supporters int he general and he wants a UNITED Democratic party...so all those who doubted his ability to fight are once again seeing how he exercises good judgment by attacking the OPPOSING party opponent not his own party rival.
Obama is just awsome in his strategic and tactically deployment of the range of his ability.
Is America even ready for a President this smart after eight years of a dumby and 20 years of divisive identity politics splitting us up into opposing factions rather than standing strong as Americans ALL.
This man is brilliant and he will make history and we will be PROUD to claim him everywhere from the kitchen, to the courthouse to the Eiffel Tower to Rotterdam to Dubai.
Barack HUSSEIN Obama,
President of the UNITED States of America.
He is ours, the middle east had their King Hussein of Jordan and America has theirs.
take that you fearmongeringxenophobicskinhead rightwingneoconfascists that call yourself Americans
February 29, 2008 12:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
One shot 3 hits! Clinton, Bush, McCain and then wraps them all up together!
If only Kerry could have done this with the Swift Boat stuff!
February 29, 2008 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Humanity Critic: I disagree, he was very savvy to vote present. Why add fuel to the fire, knowing the Republicans would just throw any votes at him again and again.
This man shows class and intelligence, sorely lacking in our current leader. He therefore will have like-minded people surround and advise him in office. I want this type of person answering the phone. He is impressive, presidential and a wonderful brightness on an otherwise bleak future.
February 29, 2008 12:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
In a lot of ways, I have viewed Obama's campaign as being very much in line with universal spiritual principles. I think that's why it resonates with people. Fear is not a universal spiritual principle. Now I'm not going all cooky or anything...this is politics after all and it gets dirty. But in general, I would really like to believe that people long for hope rather than fear.
I found one piece of antecdotal evidence to support this when I read an Obama supporter state that they used to be addicted to Rush - listened to him all the time and hung on his every word. Then he heard Obama speak and he felt cleansed...healed. Now this person may be over the top (and easily led for that matter) but I do think the point holds. People don't like to be afraid all the time and given a sensible alternative, will leap at the chance.
February 29, 2008 12:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
TaraV -- People are just sick of getting their fear/hate button pushed.
February 29, 2008 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
At the risk of sounding like a cultist, I agree.
This probably sounds really hokey, but to me Senator Obama is often the political equivalent of a Tai Chi master, someone who is focused and balanced enough to effortlessly turn an opponent's force against them.
This incident is a great example. He doesn't engage the attack head on by escalating the fear debate, he effortlessly parries it by pointing out the fallacy behind it.
Refined principles are often the key to mastery of any discipline. Love him or hate him, I think few would disagree that Senator Obama is the most masterful politician we've seen in a long time.
February 29, 2008 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree independentmeans.
Barack cast over 3,000 votes in the Illinois legislature and only about 100 were 'present' votes. It was a well established Illinois state legislature strategy that had been used for decades.
obama deployed the tactic appropriately, obviously given that less than 5% of his total votes were Present.
I just can't stand how dumbdown our electorate has become.
February 29, 2008 12:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Would you like some cheese with that whine?
February 29, 2008 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
It seems that you're projecting, Billy Glad. I understand you're frustrated, but don't push that on the rest of us. What you're responding to isn't a whine, it's an attempt to educate the voters. As someone who has been advocating for substance, I'd imagine you'd support that.
February 29, 2008 1:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sure, Ben. I'm projecting. Was that yes or no to the cheese?
February 29, 2008 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think Billy Glad is right.
February 29, 2008 3:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is this the next incarnation of "excellent news for Hillary?"
February 29, 2008 4:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
The "present" votes were done in coordination with and encouragement of Planned Parenthood: http://ppaurora.blogspot.com/2008/02/setting-record-straight-illinois-nows.html
February 29, 2008 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary will pick up the phone at 3.00AM, dressed in a business suit and pearls, working the late shift just like waitresses and nurses. Those late hours of hers will pay off soon, when she and Maggie Williams catch up on getting Hillary's Tax Returns released, and when they finally figure out how both of them lost FBI files that they should not have ever had.
February 29, 2008 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here are 10 reasons why we want Barack Obama answering the phone at 3 a.m. in the morning.
Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq War, while Barack Obama opposed the war from the start. I want my President to have good judgment at 3 a.m. in the morning.
Hillary Clinton did not read the National Intelligence Estimate report before voting to send troops to Iraq. I want my President to have weighed all the evidence before acting at 3 a.m. in the morning.
Barack Obama agrees that America should talk to countries that are our foes, while Hillary Clinton takes issue with his position. I want my President to have relations such that their word is more powerful when dealing with other nations at 3 a.m. in the morning.
Barack Obama understands the basic facts about Pakistan’s electoral system better than Hillary Clinton at 3 a.m. in the morning.
While Barack Obama has proposed a detailed foreign policy plan, Hillary Clinton has not provided Obama’s level of detail. He will probably then have addressed the issues directly during the day time and have fewer phone calls with problems at 3 a.m. in the morning.
Hillary Clinton’s current foreign policy advisers were largely supportive of the war in Iraq. Obama’s current foreign policy advisers are more “forward thinking” and generally did not support the war. We need people advising our president who have good judgment on foreign policy, not people who carry the old conventional wisdom. I don’t want Bush lite people advising my President at 3 a.m. in the morning.
And from Frank Rich…
Hillary does not plan as well at 3 a.m. in the morning: “The Clinton camp was certain that its moneyed arsenal of political shock-and-awe would take out Barack Hussein Obama in a flash. The race would “be over by Feb. 5,” Mrs. Clinton assured George Stephanopoulos just before New Year’s. But once the Obama forces outwitted her, leaving her mission unaccomplished on Super Tuesday, there was no contingency plan. She had neither the boots on the ground nor the money to recoup.“
I worry about Clinton’s advisers at 3 a.m. in the morning: “And no matter how much bad stuff happened, she kept to the Bush playbook, stubbornly clinging to her own Rumsfeld, her chief strategist, Mark Penn. Like his prototype, Mr. Penn is bigger on loyalty and arrogance than strategic brilliance.“
Barack Obama is a better at executing a plan for action and managing a budget at 3 a.m. in the morning: “The gap in hard work between the two campaigns was clear well before Feb. 5. Mrs. Clinton threw as much as $25 million at the Iowa caucuses without ever matching Mr. Obama’s organizational strength.
In South Carolina, where last fall she was up 20 percentage points in the polls, she relied on top-down endorsements and the patina of inevitability, while the Obama campaign built a landslide-winning organization from scratch at the grass roots. In Kansas, three paid Obama organizers had the field to themselves for three months; ultimately Obama staff members outnumbered Clinton staff members there 18 to 3.“
Barack Obama knows how to organize better at 3 a.m. in the morning: “Perhaps her people can borrow the road map from Obama’s people. In Vermont, another March 4 contest, The Burlington Free Press reported that there were four Obama offices and no Clinton offices as of five days ago. For what will no doubt be the next firewall after March 4, Pennsylvania on April 22, the Clinton campaign is sufficiently disorganized that it couldn’t file a complete slate of delegates by even an extended ballot deadline.
This is the candidate who keeps telling us she’s so competent that she’ll be ready to govern from Day 1. Mrs. Clinton may be right that Mr. Obama has a thin résumé, but her disheveled campaign keeps reminding us that the biggest item on her thicker résumé is the health care task force that was as botched as her presidential bid.“
Barack Obama for President at 3 a.m. in the morning!
February 29, 2008 12:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, fellow democrts, Independents, Republicans, & Greens this is IT. Now we have seen the REAL organizers behind the campaign of Hillary Clinton and the strategy her new group of management wants to paint the landscape for the voters of Ohio, texas, Pennsylvania, vermont, Rhode Island, and the rest of the nation.
If Senator Clinton dares to want to draw a difference between herself and Barack Obama, as well as how she would lead the nation in times of crisis, this is the ultimate FEAR CARD played. It is the SAME FEAR CARD being trotted out by McCain and the rest of his Swift Boaters and other public speak and mass media minions. We only have FEAR to be AFRAID of.
Wasn't this the management style of the Bush Administration (George W Bush, Dick Cheney, and Karl Rove)? Wasn't the MO it's all about politics and always about political outcomes as opposed to what is the best decision for the American people and the collective nation's well being? So we we can now draw distinction between the campaigns of Hillary Clinton and John McCain - in fact we can't because it appears they share the same underling philospohy - trust us and if you don't you have to be afraid.
Come Tuesday, March 4, I hope Republicans, Independents, and Democrats send the campagins of Hillary Clinton and John McCain packing into oblivion. Their tactics have long since outlived any usefulness to our country.
February 29, 2008 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Where is that Gilda Radner poster?
The one with a signature line like BarbraWAWA?
you know:
This is great news for Hillary..is that how it goes with 3 exclamation points and caps.
3 snaps and a twist with that.
February 29, 2008 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Didn't have time this morning to e-mail the Obama campaign about how he should respond to the 3 AM phone call ad. However, he seems to have figured it out exactly correct all on his own. Who woulda thought that?
My "judgment" response folded in Clinton's responses on Iraq, NAFTA, and the 1993 health care reform debacle. The tag line was "When you are the President facing a crisis then you have got to get it right the first time." Clinton did not get it right the first time in the Iraq AUMF vote, she did not get it right when the NAFTA bill was first developed, and she certainly did not get it right when she first had the chance at doing health care reform.
February 29, 2008 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
You can tell it's a great ad from all the Obama whining going on.
February 29, 2008 1:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
That 'great ad' is a classic piece of fearmongering, a favorite tool of the Bush Administration. Will you acknowledge this or not?
February 29, 2008 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Barack Obama is so much more experienced in handling these utter, desperate rethuglican campaign tactics (than those who actually employ them), that it only gives me more confidence in him and even less in Hillary Clinton.
Not that there was much confidence left for me to lose in her, but each and every day I become more & more certain that my decision to back Barack Obama was indeed the more logical one.
February 29, 2008 1:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why are we discussing the 'Present Votes' issue? It has nothing to with this article. If that's the only thing Clintonites have to fall back on then they're in real trouble (which they are).
Trying to change the argument to something that has no bearing on the issue is so Rove!
February 29, 2008 1:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
All you Obama people ever do is whine. You haven't seen anything remotely Rovian yet. Hide and watch. If Obama gets the nomination, you will get all the Rove there is.
February 29, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would like some sharp chedar cheese and crackers with MY whine. I like Obama, but i agree without 100% about the Rove machine. This add of hilliary's in nothing compared to what's coming, I think Obama can take it, but it won't be pretty. Rove's an evil sob.
March 2, 2008 3:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, Billy, you've posted at least 3 or 4 comments here accusing Obama supporters of whining. A little projection?
February 29, 2008 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nah. I just think it's funny how you can tell when one side has scored a point by all the wailing and whining it sets off on the other side. There's just more of it from the Obama supporters because there are more of them around here. So they set off a louder din when Clinton gets in a punch. Doesn't much matter what you think of the ad. It's what the Texas voters think of it that counts. We'll find out Tuesday?
February 29, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Carol, please let me know when I get to ten so I can turn in my time sheet and get payed this week.
February 29, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
"won't work this time" - should be a new bumper sticker phrase for the Obama campaign.
almost relish these attacks because it just gives obama more ammo to respond with deadly precision. rest-assured, the wingers are not facing john kerry this time around - that is certain.
February 29, 2008 1:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton also said this in a speech in Philadelphia, stumping for John Kerry.
You can download a Windows Media video of the speech here.
I understand that the quote comes at about 9:06 into the speech.
Can you imagine a video ad mashing up Hillary's ad with Bill's "Clinton Law" and Bush's 2004 "Wolves" ad?
February 29, 2008 1:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tom Betz: Your wish is my command. Check it out here, and send it to everyone you know. We need everyone to think about the terrible history of such scaremongering.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omifmO8Dm0E
February 29, 2008 6:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who are those old people behind Obama? One of them looks like a veteran.
February 29, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is a con and a liar.
He aired "fear" ads in Iowa against Edwards!
February 29, 2008 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Stop confusing them with facts. You are going to start them whining again.
February 29, 2008 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Got a link for that?
February 29, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't worry - Obama's advisor relieved Canadians' fears on Obama's NAFTA position.
If Hillary had done this - it would be all over the news.
February 29, 2008 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm warning you people. If you start whining again, I'm leaving.
February 29, 2008 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree,Carol.Billy is acting weird. Obama is in the process of wrapping up this nomination, so it seems a bit odd to accuse his supporters of whining..Billy should probably avoid the punditry business all together, and focus instead on posing for introspective looking photographs.
February 29, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay. That's it, temanu. Now you're whining about my avatar. I think I did ten anyway. I'm out of there until Wednesday.
February 29, 2008 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm deeply hurt that you would even think of abandoning us so, Billy.
February 29, 2008 4:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree,Carol.Billy is acting weird. Obama is in the process of wrapping up this nomination, so it seems a bit odd to accuse his supporters of whining..Billy should probably avoid the punditry business all together, and focus instead on posing for introspective looking photographs.
February 29, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
This all brings to mind another youngish inexperienced Illinois legislator, with a Semetic name as well, who had the wit, intelectual rigor, vision, and political savvy to gain the White House and save the Republic.
His political apologia were pretty keen as well.
Shall it be that two giants come forth from the Praire State to lift the Republic from it's kmees?
His call to bind up the nation's wounds was sadly undone by his untimely end, and the ascendancy of the Republican machine, which gave us the gilded age and an over century long insurrection, not to mention the Great Depression.
GOBAMA 08
February 29, 2008 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you'll stop whining for a moment, I'll leave.
February 29, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're kinda weird buddy.
February 29, 2008 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is he gone yet?
February 29, 2008 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Billy - I'm not sure you understand what a "whine" is. I sounds something like this:
“The mailer is simply despicable, but not likely to be challenged much in the "Progressive" blogosphere where gaining control of the Democratic Party is clearly the only objective.”
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/krugman_hits_obama_again_this.php#comment-2586950
February 29, 2008 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Billy Glad:
You actually approve of an ad that could easily be run by Sen McCain?
February 29, 2008 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey Billy Glad,
Has a troll stolen your password? You used to have something to say, even though as an Obama supporter, I usually disagreed with you. Now you're holding your breath and stomping your feet. Just take your ball and go home. Hopefully you'll calm down by November, we could use your vote.
Really, is it really you? Egads.
February 29, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was hoping for another debate.
Obama never got a chance to fully explore the issue of the middle tax cuts the last Clinton Presidency promised, was elected on, but then reneged on.
There's never anything new out of Camp Clinton.
Senator Clinton's campaign promises in Ohio are almost identical to Bill Clinton's campaign promises in Ohio.
None of which were fulfilled.
Maybe that's why they're rolling out national security.
February 29, 2008 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is actually genuinely funny.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/Another_3_am_call.html
Man, it's fun to watch a campaign this clever...
February 29, 2008 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Very excellent response - these guys are good! :)
February 29, 2008 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Come on guys, Billy Glad is obviously a spoof. No one who looks that smart would willingly portray himself as such an idiot.
February 29, 2008 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, I get it - Billy's trying a running gag like Idiotic. Sorry, Billy, but it's just not as funny as his "Excellent News for Hillary" posts. You'd better try something else. ;)
February 29, 2008 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Does anyone happen to know if Billy Glad is a bona fide spambot or just a sore loser? I've heard of the tactic of going after your opponent's perceived strengths (e.g., moving oratory), but the strategy of projecting your own candidates principal weakness onto her supporters must be some new Rovian tactic ya'll are trying. When you're done "whining," Billy, are you going to support the Democratic nominee?
February 29, 2008 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Am I the only one who thinks Billy Glad looks a lot like Larry David?
Anyway, it's humbling to be lectured to by someone so intelligent and well-informed.
Can someone explain to me how this logic works? When Obama supporters complain about HRC's tactics, they're "whining." When Clinton supporters complain about how the media is mean to poor defenseless Hillary, how black people aren't voting for her, how too much attention is being paid to the leads Obama has in delegates, total votes, and primaries won, how she always gets the first question in debates - well...ummmm, that's totally different.
And stomping off in a huff because you can't defend yourself, your arguments, or your candidate? Evidently, the "I'll just take my ball and go home" school of debate isn't whining, either. Good to know.
But when HRC gets her ass handed to her on Tuesday, I'm sure you'll be as gracious in defeat on Weds as Hillary has been throughout her campaign.
Just remember: No whining.
February 29, 2008 3:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think Billy Glad's just givin' ya' guff. He might mean to signal that he liked your comment.
February 29, 2008 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Smitty,
Billy is the clearly Rush Limbaugh of this conversation. How dare you suggest that he's merely a guff-giver? He simply wants to inflame, derail, outrage, and confuse the dialogue. (Could it be that you think women are whiners, too, in your leaping to Billy's defense?)
I'm the first to spot a whiner because I do a lot of whining myself. That tells me something that might be instructive for Billy: You spot it, you got it, honey!
Now I ain't in the whinin' biz with Mr. Bill, but I do wonder if he can look within and see how he's whining a little bit about Carol's thoughtful explanation of the IL legislative process and the real meaning of present votes, etc. She wasn't whining, she was edifying. Unless Billy and I use two different dictionaries or something.
Smitty, unless Billy offers her an apology here, I'm sticking to my guns...he's a closet whiner and therefore needs to lob that accusation toward others to make himself feel better (actually, that's quite an advanced form of whining). Just like Rush -- Mr. No Drugs until we found out about the thousands of Vicodin he was popping morning noon and night! Methinks Billy, like Rush, doth protest and accuse too much!
There's good news for you though, Billy. The way I see it, you've got two choices. a) an open apology to all those whom you've accused of whining, or b) this is a great dominatrix-therapy case. You whine, she whips, i