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Obama: I Will Have Cred With Muslim World

It's worth noting that in recent days Barack Obama has been subtly broadening his case that his opposition to the war and his background are political and foreign policy attributes in various ways.

The other day, for instance, he placed it in the context of an electability argument, saying that his early war opposition enabled him to provide a clearer contrast with John McCain in a general election. Yesterday at the debate he said he wanted to change the "mindset" that led us into war in the first place.

And at a presser today, Obama said that his war opposition, combined with his time growing up in a Muslim country, would give him a unique level of credibility with Muslim leaders. Take a look...


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Interesting angle for Obama considering 95% of Republicans think he's Muslim anyway.

P.S. Registering is quick. Waiting for your comments to show up is not.

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Its true, no other politician would have the credibility that Obama would have, not just in the Muslim world, but anywhere where they see America as a giant white monolith. You look at him you see change, he doesn't even have to open his mouth to make you understand that something has fundamentally changed.

I remember thinking as the Democrats rolled over on the AUMF in 2002--they are doing this to save themselves in the next campaign, but it will backfire: if the people really want warmongers, they will not elect warmonger-wannabes but go for the real thing (Republicans). People who do not want this foolish war will see no reason to vote at all, when neither choice is acceptable. I was right, and the Dems lost their majority.

Obama is right that, rather than trying to parrot Republicans on issues from immigration to national defense--the Democrats and the American people are better served if they are offered a real choice--between someone who wants 100 more years and a 100 more wars and someone who wants creative diplomacy. Because when the candidates are similar, the vote gets down to differences in integrity, sincerity and character, and Clinton might well lose that to McCain.

I also think that Clinton I, who introduced America's policy of "regime change for Iraq" and the rendition program and who carried out the unpopular sanctions in Iraq before that, may have credibility in Europe, but he and Clinton II, who voted for the war, are already tarnished in the Arab world in a way that Barack is not.

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This is an interesting, and I think valid, point. HRC's negotiations with the Muslim world do carry the baggage of the whole, "Uh, yeah, I kinda voted to kill a bunch of you for no good reason. My bad," thing.

On an unrelated note, looks like BO needs nap. Yeesh. I guess this explains why his earlier debate perfs were so weak; if he really commits to a good showing, he spends the next day looking like a polar bear at the Miami Zoo in the middle of August.

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The rest of the world is looking at our choices for President and saying, "You guys are thinking twice about this!!!???" If we elect anyone other than Obama I imagine we would be able to hear the laughter and dismayed sighs from across the Ocean.

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The problem with sound bites is they are open to interpretation. We all have a slightly different idea about what the real mindset that led to the Iraq invasion was. I'm not sure what Senator Obama thinks that mindset was, but I think the Bush/Cheney mindset was the neocon plan to establish a kind of Pax Americana over the Middle East, for all of the reasons they have spelled out ad nauseum, including projecting American power in that critical region, securing our oil supply and protecting Israel. At the time of the invasion, that probably looked easy to do because of the quick and easy military defeat of the Taliban in Afghanistan. However, even at that point, a significant faction, led by Cheney, favored knocking down the Hussein government and leaving the problem of picking up the pieces to the Shia, Sunni and neighboring Arab states. That would have looked something like rapidly withdrawing right after Saddam Hussein was captured.

Mrs. Clinton's mindset may have been set by the experience of the Clinton administration in stopping genocide in Kosovo without the loss of a single American life, the fact that bombing had forced Hussein to readmit the inspectors before, and, on the negative side, the experience in Mogadishu, that may have convinced her that Bush's Republican base would not tolerate the loss of American lives, no matter how small, to effect regime change.

Mr. McCain has now staked his candidacy on the proposition that America will tolerate interventions and occupations indefinitely as long as American casualties are small. The straight talk express was very clear about that in the last Republican debate, and it's the position we will have to contend with in November.

Mrs. Clinton's current position boils down to the proposition that if, in a world where intelligence is never perfect, she is going to err, then she is going to err on the side of supporting the Commander In Chief and the safety of the American people. Mr. Obama's challenge is to come up with a proposition that explains equally well in which direction he is likely to err.

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As Madeleine Albright has written elsewhere, the United States is suffering from a "dangerous lack of self-awareness." Being able to see the world through someone else's eyes also gives us the ability to see ourselves in another way. This is lacking in our politicians because it is lacking in most Americans, and until it changes we won't have an effective foreign policy.

Barack Obama is the one candidate who I believe can change this, and it's at least partially due to his experience growing up in another country. No other candidate has this experience, and no other candidate has proven to me that he or she possesses this vital talent.

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I think your post title is pretty irresponsible. It certainly doesn't represent the main thrust of Obama's argument. I think if you are really honest with yourself, you would not have thought Obama's Muslim comment was the story, except for the fact that there has been an ugly smear campaign against Obama.

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someone alert the media that Obama has smeared himself...

Here’s the link to a really funny YouTube ad targeted at independent voters in CA (called declined to state voters – DTS) who want to vote in the democratic party’s primary on Tuesday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP9lDAxMZpk

Enjoy. Forward it to your friends.


Sue.

This may play fine in the primary, but I think this will come back to haunt him later, if he were to win the nomination.

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Where is the outrage? When former senator Bob Kerry (D-NE) said the same thing 2 months ago, you Obama supporters cried foul that he was trying to portray him as a muslim. Talking about "saying anything to get elected".

I think Obama makes a great point with his image in the Muslim world. But doesn't anybody see the irony that so many of his supporters attacked Clinton surrogates like Bob Kerrey for basically saying the same thing? In the wacky world of some Obama fanatics, Obama's Muslim ties are a strength if he raises them, but a religious slur if a Clinton supporter says the same thing.

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I agree, the Republicans will have a field day with comments such as these, even though Obama is probably right about that. As it is many Americans still think he IS a Muslim.

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But doesn't anybody see the irony that so many of his supporters attacked Clinton surrogates like Bob Kerrey for basically saying the same thing?

Kerrey said he attended a "secular madrassa" which is false

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He loses me with this line of reasoning.

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what kerrey said is that obama attended a madrassa. he didn't.

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JP Wolf - You can always say the same thing in a factual way or in a derogatory way... ie race, gender, etc. Clinton's surrogates have chosen a derogatory angle in addressing these issues. Whether or not Clinton had anything to do with those messages I'm not sure, but clearly some of her more aggressive surrogates (including her husband) have said regretable things that reflect poorly on her for who she chooses to surround herself with.

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JP Wolf:
>>>But doesn't anybody see the irony that so many of his supporters attacked Clinton surrogates like Bob Kerrey for basically saying the same thing?

Yes, many Obama *supporters* did attack Bob Kerrey when he made his comments about Obamas middle name and time spent in Indonesia being a plus, not a minus. But if you'll check back, I think you'll find that Sen. Obama took no offense at all and quickly aquitted former Sen. Kerrey of any negative motivation. (Personally, I'm an Obama supporter who saw Kerrey make the statements and saw nothing at all negative about them. I think his, and Sen. Obama's, subsequent actions and exchanges have confirmed that.)

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If Obama really thinks that Democrats shouldn't "parrot Republicans on issues from immigration to national defense," it would be nice if he wouldn't parrot Republicans on issues like universal health care.

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I CANT BELIEVE that Sen. Obama says in effect that he can bond with Muslin leaders overseas. Better than whom? George W. with the Saudis, for example?

Do anyone out there have any idea of what the Republicans can do with this kind of material in the general election? All they have to do is to point out that Sen. Obama belongs to a church with ties to Louis Farrakhan and the whole election goes POOF!


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Sue,

That you tube video was hilarious!...of course I watched it twice.

The reason that the subject of Obama's understanding of people in different regions can be a slur is because, just as in the video above, Obama noted his understanding from his objective perspective of the culture, NOT his religious perspective. It is a slur when it's correlated with his religious views.

How many military, diplomats, jet setters, academics brag about themselves and their children growing up in other countries that is designed to give the impression that they and their children are more enlightened as US citizens?

Obama is trying to leave an impression that his perspective is international in its scope. That scares a lot of people because we have been conditioned to be afraid of other cultures, inside and outside the perimeters of the United States for centuries, and more so in the last decade.

Obama is an intellectual and has had to think out of the box. Most people can't come to understand this if they refuse to widen their definitions.

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in modern American society, it often matters who raises a point and in what context. in this case, Kerrey's comments tried to paint Obama's middle name and background as a weakness, Obama is here trying to cast it as a strength. which is smart.

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Obama is right that his background (and his face) are a plus for improving foreign relations and developing the partnerships necessary to productively fight terrorism - intelligent Republicans will realize this too. There is no reason he shouldn't come right out and say this. Even Republicans will be able to celebrate that a country which once enslaved men who look like him can eventually live up to its stated ideals. How can we succeed against the ideology of Islamic fundamentalism unless we can show that liberal democracy walks its talk?

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Obama is right that his background (and his face) are a plus for improving foreign relations and developing the partnerships necessary to productively fight terrorism - intelligent Republicans will realize this too. There is no reason he shouldn't come right out and say this. Even Republicans will be able to celebrate that a country which once enslaved men who look like him can eventually live up to its stated ideals. How can we succeed against the ideology of Islamic fundamentalism unless we can show that liberal democracy walks its talk?

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Once again I have to pick on Greg Sargeant for his choice of headline. Not because it's anti-Obama, but because it plays up "Muslim", Drudge-like, in a way that is not reflected in the video itself.

The headlines matter, Greg. We're all coming here anyway, so no need to seek out the most attention-grabbing part of the quote.

This strikes me as a singularly stupid thing for Barack Obama to say in light of the whisper campaigns that have been going on for months. There's still a chance he could end up being the Democratic nominee for the general election. He should really try and bear that thought in mind.

I find this line of reasoning hypocritical. He announces his campaign under the banner of Oprah and the now is "our time" theme yet race is never supposed to be spoken by anyone else or it is claimed as racist. So it is okay to use your race and be compared to the second coming of MLK and now have Oprah reappear to save him Sunday in California, but race is not supposed to matter? This above comment about he will have cred with the Muslim world is again him using his race to advance his prospects. I find this whole infatuation and lack of scrutiny but a media love in to be so dishonest and irresponsible it is indeed a crime. Bush was elected with this same lack of scrutiny and with the same mantra of change, bipartisanship and fixing Washington. So is this race based on qualifications other than his race and the "I did not vote for the war" (since he wasn't in the Senate to vote anyway) and turning out to be nothing more than a popularity contest?

I am astounded that he would so unnecessarily stumble into this.

Why in the world would he want to talk publicly about how credible he is to Muslims? Why would he want to flaunt the fact that many of his relatives are Muslims who live in East Africa?

It may all be right and admirable past January 2009, but is he so euphoric and so confident -- or he is so tone deaf -- as not to understand that this video clip is likely to haunt him from now through November (should he win the nomination), or from now through March (should he lose it)?

I have to pinch myself.

Perhaps he is a bit more self-centered and slightly less bright that many of us thought or rather hoped. I know I am going to rethink my support for him if only because his political judgment is being called into question. I am afraid the Republicans will swiftboat him with tremendous ease, if we assume that the Clintons are far too discredited to make a successful use of this "I Am a Muslim" speech (not literally, just like Kennedy "I am a Berliner" in 1961).

Let's get real. This statement obviously was not aimed at getting the "vast" number of Muslim votes available in this race. So who's vote is he after? It seems obvious to me that this was an appeal to those folks out there who don't believe that a mere woman can stand up to our nation's enemies in the Muslim world.

For someone who has thrown the race card at every turn, this is true, straight up bigotry, and it's time someone called Obama on this divisive and dispicable tactic. This is the man who is going to unite us? The candidate who has better judgement?

We all know that many Muslim nations treat their women as second class citizens, to put it mildly. How can a presidential candidate be this naive and yet be "ready to lead," with "better judgement?"

I don't buy it, but if he is this naive, than he has shown that he is definately not ready to handle the job of president. He would never be able to stand up to the pressures of the general election.

I believe that Hillary Clinton is more than capable of keeping this nation safe. I believe she is the candidate with the experience needed to end this war in Iraq and get our troops out as soon as safely as possible.

What ever happened to all that noble talk of "change" in American politics from Obama? It would be hard for anyone to sink to a lower and use a more divisive tactic than Obama has in this statement, and I for one do not intend to allow the folks in the Taliban and/or whatever backward nations Obama is appealing to, to dictate how I should vote.


Listen, those Muslin leaders aren't going care your last name is Clinton. Horrible as it is, those guys think women are subhuman. So compared to Hillary, Obama does have instant cred.

Listen, those Muslin leaders aren't going care your last name is Clinton. Horrible as it is, those guys think women are subhuman. So compared to Hillary, Obama does have instant cred.

BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA – An opening to Islamic fundamentalists?

“The River of Doubt,” a 2006 history by Candice Millard tells the story of Teddy Roosevelt’s exploration of South America in 1914, following his defeat for a third term as President in 1912. TR, the indefatigable adventurist abandoned a much less risky river trip to investigate a previously unexplored river, known simply as the River of Doubt. TR survived bacterial infection and his son Kermit malaria, both nearly dying in the Amazon.

Roosevelt was enticed to this near debacle by a challenge from Brazil’s preeminent explorer , Candido Mariano da Silva Rondon. Their journey included a march through 400 miles of Brazilian Highlands to the Amazon basin, from which they embarked on what would today be regarded as a suicide mission.

Sailing off a mountain, with no charts, and poorly equipped, on a thousand mile plus trip through land populated by hostile indigenous tribes, in the parlance of the day, Indians, they barely survived. Rondon, himself an “Indian” had risen to the pinnacle of Brazilian military leadership. He sought TR’s company for the visibility it would give his desire to map the river for the later installation of a telegraph line.

Rondo did not view the indigenous people as hostile, and throughout the trip left tokens of good will – a fancy axe, unusual foods, and other trinkets from “civilization.” When after multiple near death experiences, TR and his crowd ultimately emerged from the forest at the other end, the entire world marveled at his “discovery” of a river longer than the Mississippi.

Millard reports that the survival of TR and his retinue did not depend on any decision on their part. Instead the indigenous population, on their own “decided” to let them live because of a tradition of acting on the basis of consensus. Although there were “hawks” who wanted to kill TR's troop – and nothing could have stopped them – Rondon’s acts of good will, caused the “doves”, to withhold approval for the certain extinction of the exploration party.

Flash forward. The US and most of the “Western” world has made an effective peace with their two most threatening, long-term enemies – the People’s Republic of China, and the former Soviet Union. One major player remains in hostilities – the fundamentalist Muslim movement personified, if not exactly led, by Osama Bin Laden. And they are perceived to be undeterred by the threat of conventional retaliation, and the practicalities of it are difficult in any event because there is no obvious, single state sponsor for the trans-national fundamentalists.

In the US Presidential sweepstakes, one candidate has a name issue, at least according to the fundamentalist branch of the Republican party. Barack Hussein Obama. Obama, if we are to believe the bottom-seeking Republicans, is himself a fundamentalist because his Indonesian step-father enrolled him in a Madrassa, the fundamentalist oriented school system of the Muslim world. Forget the fact that he was also enrolled in a Roman Catholic school during the same time frame in Indonesia. And forget that the Indonesian Madrassa school itself disclaims the fundamentalist orientation claimed by the Republican evangelists. No, all you need to know is that his middle name is Hussein. Period.

But is it possible that his middle name might just be the best opening an Obama presidency might have to the one armed and hostile group seemingly bent on our destruction. Is it possible that the current day fundamentalist Muslims -- at least the man on the street types upon whom the remote leaders depend for implementation of their acts of terror -- might just pause. Might just ask, what this guy named Hussein intends? Will Obama, like Rondon, cause the enemies of the West to holster their weapons, if only temporarily?

And if we are able to gain even a pause in the ongoing hostilities, is it possible that the Islamic world will give a Democratic president the opportunity to pursue a policy of energy independence, which doesn't threaten to the sovereignty of the Islamic world. Or a policy of simply speaking to Iran, instead of isolating and surrounding it, as the Republicans have attempted to do.

Stated otherwise, does anybody seriously expect the Islamic world to pause even momentarily to hear the opening salvo from a Mormon named Romney, a Catholic named Guiliani, or a Christian fundamentalist named, buckle your seat belt, Huckabee.

I’m putting my money on Hussein.


It may all be right and admirable past January 2009, but is he so euphoric and so confident -- or he is so tone deaf -- as not to understand that this video clip is likely to haunt him from now through November (should he win the nomination), or from now through March (should he lose it)?

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Same thing for supporting the drivers licences for illegal immigrants. He is coming out openly he supports that now to win the latino vote in the primaries. But in the general election 70% of the public is against it. At least Hillary is running to win us the election, Obama is running too much for his own ego..

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Remember the proposal by Dubai World Ports to acquire certain US commercial ports operations companies in 2006? Obama was opposed to it. Here's what he said about it at the time: "We're allowing our port security to be outsourced to foreign governments". http://obama.senate.gov/press/060221-obama_statement_17/

Remember the Israeli bombing of Lebanon in 2006? Recently in Israel the officially commissioned Winograd Report said the whole operation didn't stand up to rational scrutiny and was essentially unjustified. But Barack Obama back at the time of the bombing indicated that Kofi Annan's pleadings should be disregarded and that the Israelis should get uncritical carte blanche to do whatever they judged best.

Obama is an ordinary US politician whose foreign policies are and will be dictated by US public opinion, not by the stuff he stammers through on that video.

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Does this mean his Muslim Cred up for conversation only when he brings it up or for anyone to talk about it? He brought up the use of drugs in the book but it was not ok for anyone else to talk about it. He brought up race but it was to not to be talked about because it was too sensitive an issue if anyone else brought it up. Now the use of the middle name was wrong but he can talk about the Muslim cred and no one else I assume can. This again will become as the rest of the world calls the "Obama Rules". Defined as I can talk about a subject but You can't.

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