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Obama Camp Calls Canadian TV Report "Inaccurate"
The Obama campaign has formally responded to the report on Canadian TV saying that a Canadian official claims a senior Obama person privately told him that Obama's anti-NAFTA talk on the stump was just "campaign rhetoric."
From Obama spokesperson Bill Burton:
“The news reports on Obama's position on NAFTA are inaccurate and in no way represent Senator Obama’s consistent position on trade. When Senator Obama says that he will forcefully act to make NAFTA a better deal for American workers, he means it. Both Canada and Mexico should know that, as president, Barack Obama will do what it takes to create and protect American jobs and strengthen the American economy -- that includes amending NAFTA to include labor and environmental standards. We are currently reaching out to the Canadian embassy to correct this inaccuracy."
It will be interesting to see whether the Ohio press -- not to mention the big news orgs -- run with the story despite the denial.
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If I read the initial story correctly, it also stated that Clinton's campaign did the very same thing.
I have two questions:
1. Why is Obama's name the only one associated to this so called story
2. Where is Clinton's denial?
February 28, 2008 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton campaign denied it immediately.
From TPM main page: "Low-level sources also suggested the Clinton campaign may have given a similar warning to Ottawa, but a Clinton spokesperson flatly denied the claim."
February 28, 2008 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Because Greg always runs interference for Hillary.
February 28, 2008 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's simply bullshit, Liam. Grow up.
February 28, 2008 11:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dog bites man vs. man bites dog. One's a story, the other isn't. :)
February 28, 2008 12:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course they did it. Obama is a big time free trader. Just like Clinton. Not a wit of difference.
-He voted for Peru FTA.
-He cast the deciding vote against an amendment to a September 2005 Commerce Appropriations Bill, proposed by North Dakota Senator Byron Dorgan, that would have prohibited US trade negotiators from weakening US laws that provide safeguards from unfair foreign trade practices.
-In his 2004 Senate campaign, Obama said the US should pursue more deals such as NAFTA, and argued more broadly that his opponent's call for tariffs would spark a trade war. AP reported then that the Illinois senator had spoken of enormous benefits having accrued to his state from NAFTA, while adding that he also called for more aggressive trade protections for US workers.”
First a "non denial denial", then after back-dooring the Canadian Embassy you get the "unequivocal denial".
Oh yeah...This still stinks and ain't over.
February 28, 2008 12:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
From where does the media pick up the idea that making environmental and labor standards a part of NAFTA is a threat to Canada?
As I recall, Canada has tougher labor AND environmental standards than the United States.
February 28, 2008 11:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Michael Wilson is a conservative, pro-trade appointee by the Stephen Harper administration. He's also one of the authors of the original NAFTA, so the conservative Canadian government has a invested interest in keeping NAFTA without the labor and environmental safeguards.
February 28, 2008 11:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. My Canadian friends all assure me that the Canadian people would be favorable to reworking NAFTA themselves, so to suggest that Canadians would be miffed about Obama's publicly stated position stinks of wholesale nonsense.
February 28, 2008 11:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
One more point:
Why would Canada care? As I recall, they do not vote in the American election.
My problem with this story is I fail to see why EITHER campaign would be motivated to tell Canada "don't worry about this." Another non-story in a long string of them...
February 28, 2008 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is what I don't get about this story. Clearly, Canada is not going to have a problem with labor and environmental standards. They've probably already got them, BC just passed a Carbon Tax.
Nothing Clinton or Obama have said ought to be a worry for Canada.
February 28, 2008 12:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, Greg, please mention the Clinton campaign was reported to have done the same thing. Also, that the source, Michael Wilson, the Canadian Ambassador, is the author of NAFTA, and has had ties to the Clinton administration on this issue.
February 28, 2008 11:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm confused. So was it the US ambassador to Canada (with ties to clinton) or an actual Canadian official who made the claims? This seems unclear.
February 28, 2008 11:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
He's a Canadian official appointed by Stephen Harper to be Ambassador to the U.S. Harper's administration is conservative, and Wilson is one of the original authors of NAFTA. They have an invested interest in pushing this non-story.
February 28, 2008 12:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Does it say "this didn't happen?"
February 28, 2008 12:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
One piece of McCain's straight talk that was actually straight talk--the jobs that are gone (perhaps only a few because of NAFTA, perhaps more) are not coming back.
February 28, 2008 11:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yep. Trade agreements are the Democratic version of gay marriage. Democrats love to demagogue the issue and pretend to be against it, but in reality they favor these agreements (as they should). Trade with Mexico and Canada (which has higher labor standards) isn't what is killing jobs in Ohio. Ohio's infrastructure is what is killing its economy. As someone who went to Case Western Reserve, I can tell you that almost none of my fellow engineering classmates stuck around in Ohio. We moved to states that had high tech jobs.
February 28, 2008 12:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am an Obama supporter.
If this denial came from Senator Clinton, I would be all over it.
As I said in an earlier thread, the word "inaccurate" is as weak and slick as it gets, and the rest of the language does little more than try to change the subject.
IMO, this simply isn't good enough. Tell us what happened, or tell us nothing happened. Don't quibble over inaccuracies.
The story itself has many weaknesses, but that depressingly shifty statement only made it stronger.
February 28, 2008 11:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm with you. I don't like the "denial" either. It kinda makes you wonder in light of other statements that have come from the obama campaign.
February 28, 2008 11:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
as an obama supporter i agree as well. to me it is very believable that something along these lines might have been said: "we'll be in Ohio and the language might get heated and over-the-top sometimes so don't freak out" and well that creates problems even though it might be understandable.
February 28, 2008 12:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
What happened is that, Obama (like ALL Demcrats), is pro-trade and pro-NAFTA at heart. He, like all your usual politicians, couldn't resist the opportunity to demagogue the issue to win some votes.
I'm an Obama supporter (almost former supporter now) and he's losing me on this faux opposition to NAFTA. There's NOTHING new about him. He's your average pol with once in a lifetime oratorical skills.
p.s: I'm pro-trade and pro-NAFTA, I just hate lying about it to people in distressed situation to get their votes. Lying to these people is demeaning and insulting to their intelligence.
February 28, 2008 11:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree as well. When Clinton's camp issued a non-denial denial about the Drudge story a lot of us (including me) were very critical of it and dismissed it as weak. This "denial", to me, is not a denial - it simply states that the report did an inaccurate job of stating Obama's positions and they are contacting the embassy to correct the inaccuracies. It does NOT say that someone in his campaign denies speaking to them in the first place.
Disclaimer: I am an Obama supporter but this really is a little weak. They better come out with something better because I'm sure that the Clinton camp will pounce on this and use it for all it's worth.
February 28, 2008 12:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
How is that shifty? They said they're going to call the Canadian embassy to correct the inaccuracy.
February 28, 2008 12:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
But they didn't refute the claim that someone "senior" in their campaign reached out to the Canadian official - they just stated that the position is inaccurate and they were going to correct that. That's quite a difference, isn't it?
February 28, 2008 12:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
What does "inaccurate" mean? The definition of that is false. It's sort of like Clinton thinking "denounce" isn't stronger than "reject" in that debate.
February 28, 2008 12:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think they are not refuting that claim because it is very likely true, and in itself is neither surprising nor alarming. All they need to do is make it clear that whatever that Canadian official thinks he heard, the press report does not accurately reflect Obama's position.
Since there is now a very good chance that the next administration will be an Obama administration, this little flap is now a diplomatic issue for Canada, and it is good that the Obama campaign is working with the Canadian embassy to reiterate Obama's actual position, and hopefully get the Canadian official to correct his account of what the Obama campaign told him.
February 28, 2008 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Slouch,
That is bullshit. Grow up!
February 28, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
commenters, our original post on this did specify that Hillary staffers were said to have done the same, as does the post on the main blog
February 28, 2008 11:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Greg's "clarification" is EXCELLENT NEWS!!! FOR HILLARY!!!!
February 28, 2008 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Listen folks, this is really simple. If you think this blog is biased and dishonest, GO READ SOMEONE ELSE.
February 28, 2008 12:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Slouch,
That is bullshit. Grow up!
February 28, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
slouch's "defense" is EXCELLENT NEWS!!! FOR GREG!!
February 28, 2008 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg, you're not going to change their minds. We're a pretty passionate and obstinate group, aren't we? ;)
February 28, 2008 12:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
"passionate and obstinate"... you forgot deaf, dumb and blind...
February 28, 2008 12:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
So why doesn't your headline read something like "Obama and Clinton Deny NAFTA story"?
Geez
February 28, 2008 12:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is kind of amazing that Greg is still shilling for Hill. At least he's consistent.
February 28, 2008 12:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh I'm sure Hillary will be jumping on the attack no matter how unverifiable it is.
February 28, 2008 12:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama supporters, of which I have been one for years, need to call this one fair.
this denial was completely anemic from Gibbs.
I am amazed by these type of weak ass denials from his campaign generally.
stand the hell up and "flatly deny" something for a change. "flatly reject" the support of someone who is a racist and can do you harm.
Gibbs is a weak communications director. I also wanted to punch something when he characterized Obama's relationship with Ayers as "friendly." WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY THINKING?
When Obama talks in debates he is very professorial. but his campaign staff ought to be savvy enough to see how their responses to hit jobs could leave them vulnerable to counter-attack.
they need to wise up, right now. because i'm getting sick of their anemic pushbacks.
that said: i'm still going to continue supporting and donating because i do think he's the best person to lead; but i need more strong objection from his team when he's being smeared. if he's being smeared.
February 28, 2008 12:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
they can't forcefully deny an incident that they know took place. were they to, it would create a bigger headache later. it seems pretty clear that some conversation did occur regarding nafta rhetoric in Ohio. Obama08 needs to have full disclosure on this ... get ahead of the media and HRC.
February 28, 2008 12:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
given the politico report i don't know what to think now.
February 28, 2008 12:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't understand what is a non-denial about "[the reports] in no way represent Senator Obama's consistent position."
February 28, 2008 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Come on, Obama supporters (of which I am a vociferous example) - there can't be a double standard here. If we're going to criticize Clinton's campaign for prevarication and ambiguity we have to apply the same standards to our candidate. As Slouch said in the previous post about this issue, we will lose all credibility and we will not do Obama any good either if we stick our fingers in our ears and sing "La, la, I can't hear you" when something comes along that calls our preferred candidate's honesty into question. Are we that fragile, and is Obama that fragile, that we can't look at this with a degree of impartiality and admit that this statement is not as strong as Clinton's and that he needs to do better? There will be many, many worse attacks on Obama in the coming months, and don't we need to look at them honestly, gauge their merits, and use consistent standards in making judgments?
This is just my humble opinion and you can have at it. I have a pretty tough hide! ;)
February 28, 2008 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
NEW REPORT FROM THE CANADIAN EMBASSY AT POLITICO.COM!
Canadians deny Obama call
A spokesman for the Canadian Embassy to the United States, Tristan Landry, flatly denied the CTV report that a senior Obama aide had told the Canadian ambassador not to take seriously Obama's denunciations of Nafta.
"None of the presidential campaigns have called either the Ambassador or any of the officials here to raise Nafta," Landry said.
He said there had been no conversations at all on the subject.
"We didn't make any calls, they didn't call us," Landry said.
"There is no story as far as we’re concerned," he said.
February 28, 2008 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK, that's more like it. Let's see where this leads.
February 28, 2008 12:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
interesting.
February 28, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, so why in the f*ck was there a non-denial denial from the obama campaign. WTF!!!!!
February 28, 2008 12:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
I feel your pain.
February 28, 2008 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
It wasn't. Those were Sargent's words. The Obama campaign's response was true to the word. This is just a scoop-gone-wrong.
February 28, 2008 12:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
It was a denial. People miscontrued "inaccurate" to mean a non-denial denial. The original TPM diary post characterized the Obama response as a non-denial denial.
February 28, 2008 12:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
It goes to show why editorializing should be left out of headlines.
February 28, 2008 12:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
and it makes TPM look silly as well.
February 28, 2008 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I read the release. The implication was that there was some kind of contact, if there wasn't just say their wasn't. They were waffling all over the place. If there was contact, say there was. The implication leads people to believe what they want, which is a problem. Why use the word "inaccurate"? That word implies that there was contact, but the discussion of what the contact was was "inaccurate." I would do a new clarifying press release on this issue. The negative implication is too strong to leave it alone.
February 28, 2008 12:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bravo!
February 28, 2008 12:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Isn't the Canadian Government politically aligned with the Republicans?
Stop and think about who might benefit from the Canadians having tossed this stink bomb at both Hillary and Obama.
February 28, 2008 12:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
If the campaign is "reaching out to the Canadian embassy to correct this inaccuracy," doesn't that equate to a denial? If the story were accurate, would they expect the embassy to lie and cover for them? Wouldn't that just give it more legs?
I'm not too up on trade, but isn't the problem jobs going to Mexico where labor is cheap rather than to Canada where it's pretty much on par with the U.S.? Maybe the call was to say, "Don't worry, the NAFTA changes we want won't really affect our trade relationship, just ours and Mexico's?"
Here's hoping one of these hypotheses is correct. This type of stuff gives me heartburn.
February 28, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
A statement released by the Canadian Government says that neither Clinton, Obama or McCain has contacted the Canadian Embassy.
Link: http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/02/canadian-embass.html
Can we put this to bed now?
February 28, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Slouch, I don't think you're going to win any converts by telling the people you disagree with to get lost. The board provides the means for people to post dissenting views, and they're doing it. They also have a legitimate point - Clinton's denial of the same charge isn't mentioned here. I don't think the accusation of systematic bias is valid, and Greg did note that the Clinton campaign was mentioned in other posts on the same topic, but the fact remains that we're trying to make an issue out of a weakly stated denial. This sniping between the Clinton and Obama camps isn't doing anything but helping the right-wing wack-jobs we're trying to throw out of office.
February 28, 2008 12:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
For those complaining about a lack of focus on Clinton, there's one very important point to remember: OBAMA IS THE FRONTRUNNER. He matters more at this point. Get used to it. He's going to have to field the question and provide answers (which I guarantee won't satisfy everyone--they never do).
As for this non-troversy, all I want to know is if they were given assurances, why come forward? What was the point of disclosing this? Seems to me it was done to benefit, indirectly, Clinton. But that's the conspiracy theorist in me.
February 28, 2008 12:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
So the following statement by the Obama camp turned out to be completely accurate, and they did not drag it out for seven hours. They got it knocked down right away.
Makes all that "Non Denial" blatherers look pretty foolish.
Read it again:
“The news reports on Obama's position on NAFTA are inaccurate and in no way represent Senator Obama’s consistent position on trade. When Senator Obama says that he will forcefully act to make NAFTA a better deal for American workers, he means it. Both Canada and Mexico should know that, as president, Barack Obama will do what it takes to create and protect American jobs and strengthen the American economy -- that includes amending NAFTA to include labor and environmental standards. We are currently reaching out to the Canadian embassy to correct this inaccuracy."
February 28, 2008 12:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
The next time his campaign slips into tired political gibberish that sounds no different than the politicians I reject, I promise I will cheer him on!
And I solemnly swear that I will NEVER question another statement that Senator Obama makes for his entire life! EVER!
'cause that's what DEMOCRACY is all about...
February 28, 2008 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good to hear that you stand by your original stupidity, and failure to comprehend an actual denial of the CTV charge contained in the Obama statement.
Now all you are left with is a lot of your "bullshit" bluster about how you reserve the right to continue to falsely question future true statements from Senator Obama.
If you are a supporter, please help him by switching to the other side.
February 28, 2008 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
just want to fact check myself: i realized (after posting) that it was Axelrod who said Obama and Ayers were "friendly," so that is my bad.
but i still stand behind the thrust of my post that if they continue to use kid gloves against smear tactics, they will not inspire confidence in their supporters.
i do still think Gibbs doesnt hit back hard enough though, and have thought that for a while.
and one more thing: obama's campaign does not benefit one bit from asking for, or accepting plainly, apologies for tactics like the TN GOP to smear him as a Muslim or a Manchurian candidate or unpatriotic. and here's why:
eventually--though we're seeing signs of it now--the right will start to dominate the conversation in the MSM about "not being able to criticize Obama without being called a racist."
i was livid when Clinton's surrogate said that the other day, and commenters are repeating it more and more.
this is a dangerous road for us to go down. because it plays into the "white victimhood" rhetoric of hannity and limbaugh and all the others... who accuse people (most of the time wrongly) of "playing the race card." in Obama, they will have a person to point to who embodies their cries of white people being treated unfairly by the media and the "PC police." it wont matter that Obama himself doesnt take the bait, his supporters might, and that will allow them to lump it all together.
what obama's team needs to do is: less fingerpointing, more fact checking.
if a GOP operative smears obama in a racially charged way, and St. McCain (again) comes out and says, "i dont condone this..." blah blah blah, Obama's team needs to come out and challenge McCain to, instead of simply apologizing (which may grow wearisome over time), say:
"While we appreciate the efforts of Sen. McCain to keep this debate respectful and devoid of underhanded fear-mongering, we would urge him to be STRAIGHT with the general public and call these smears for what they are: flat out lies designed to impugn the reputation of a fellow American who loves and cares deeply about his country."
otherwise, Sen. McCain can "good cop bad cop" his way straight till November.
I think the Obama campaign passed up a prime instance to set the tone for such a move, when they didnt come to McCain's defense during the NYTime's sex scandal story. the Time's didnt have it, and it would have looked so magnanimous of Obama to say that publicly.
February 28, 2008 12:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't see what everyone's so skeptical about. He said the story is inaccurate and "in no way" reflects his views. He doesn't hurl any insults, but as far as I can tell, the semantics of this are fairly clear: the CTV report isn't true. Also, ABC is reporting that the Canadian embassy says this never happened.
So, we'll have to look elsewhere for Obama's token duplicitous, evil deed today. :)
February 28, 2008 12:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
"It will be interesting to see whether the Ohio press -- not to mention the big news orgs -- run with the story despite the denial."
...has suddenly taken on new meaning.
February 28, 2008 12:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
i think both sides (obama and clinton) can now agree that lots of bogus stuff hits the airwaves that have no basis in fact, and have a lot to do with spin (or just plain bad reporting by the MSM.)
i am heartened to see that some of the most vociferous obama supporters (carol soprano, etc) kept their perspective on this in light of the drudge photo flap...
i really think that we, as democrats, have to stop flinging accusations at each other. of course, the campaigns will do this (that's what they do!), but i really feel that things are getting way too divisive lately.
as a clinton supporter, and dedicated TPM reader, i have been exasperated, frustrated, and dispirited by the commentary in these boards over the last couple weeks... i realize that i have to prepare to support obama in the eventuality of clinton's defeat/withdrawl, but reading these boards has the opposite effect sometimes.
February 28, 2008 12:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you think "deny" is stronger than "inaccurate," I'll concede that point, and both deny it and call it inaccurate.
February 28, 2008 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Everyone seems to be missing a couple of subtleties here.
Obama, a guy who's got a better than even chance of being president in 2009, reached out to a diplomat of an ally. He essentially admits that and I infer/guess that his message was "I'm going to be talking about NAFTA a lot. Don't read anything into what I say that I don't actually say. Don't freak." Given that Canada is our largest trading power, a critically important ally and generally a country with whom we have, and need to have, a special relation, that was a reasonable thing to do (if that is, in fact, the gist of what he told them).
Here's the thing. When you have confidential communications with diplomats, you kind of expect them to be held in confidence. That's how diplomacy works. Obama's not a head of government yet and technically was reaching out in his private, not a governmental, capacity, so there was technically no diplomatic obligation to respect his expectation of confidentiality. But given the likelihood that he will be president, don't you think its kind of self-destructive for them to leak this? Whether they're leaking it in garbled or in non-garbled form, it really kind of stuns me that they'd leak it at all.
I mean, way to get your relations with the likely next U.S. President off to a great start, there, guys, eh? Piss him off, as much as throw your weight behind his opponent despite the increasing liklihood of her losing, demonstrate that you can't be trusted to keep a secret. All that will do wonders for your standing with the Obama Administration. Oh, and since you guys are a democracy, too, good luck getting us to keep your embarassing little secrets next election.
Are they just so dead set against him that they'll take this risk to hurt his campaign? Are they, like many foreigners, just absolutely certain that the U.S. is too racist and ignorant and hateful to elect him so they're trying to curry favor with his opponents? It's really strange and, to my mind, downright un-Canadian. They're a country with a reputation for being very much on the straight and narrow in its diplomacy (by the sociopathic standards of international relations, I mean).
February 28, 2008 12:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Idiotic's grave exclamations are ALWAYS THE MOST EXCELLENT NEWS!!! FOR HILLARY!!!!
February 28, 2008 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed with NC Steve.
Canada is a major ally and trading partner. There would and should be nothing wrong in assuring the Canadians to take campaign rhetoric with a grain of salt.
In fact, most of the changes and re-negotiations Obama and Hillary propose for NAFTA have to do with labor and environmental standards that I feel are weaknesses in the system.
It's one thing to argue for allowing capital to locate factories where labor is cheaper, and quite another to allow those factories to engage in worker and environmental exploitation.
This is really much ado about nothing and seems to involve members of the Canadian PM who are ideologically and politically aligned with Republicans.
Here is what Obama said:
"I will make sure we renegotiate," Obama agreed. "I think we should use the hammer of a potential opt-out as leverage to ensure that we actually get labor and environmental standards that are enforced."
Here is how it was spinned by Canada's Trade Secretary:
On Wednesday, Canada's Trade Minister David Emerson said NAFTA is at risk, given Clinton and Obama's threats to end it, the Bloomberg News Service reported.
"The rhetoric of protectionism has been creeping up and getting more strident," Emerson was quoted as saying. "It's not just the heat of the presidential campaign," there's a grassroots movement against it as well, he said.
Here's a little bit about David Emerson,
Vancouver MP David Emerson has a strong background in both the British Columbia public service and in the private sector. He moved back and forth between senior positions in the British Columbia public service at the Deputy Minister level and executive positions in the private sector, heading the Western and Pacific Bank of Canada in 1986 and Canfor Corporation, the huge British Columbia forestry company in 1998.
David Emerson originally entered politics as a star candidate for the Liberals in the 2004 election. When he won, David Emerson was immediately made Minister of Industry in the Liberal minority government. David Emerson ran again for the Liberals in the 2006 election and again won his seat. When it turned out it was the Conservatives who won a minority government, David Emerson suddenly changed party loyalties and switched to the Conservatives to be Minister of International Trade.
March 6, 2008 12:32 PM | Reply | Permalink