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Obama Camp Hits Hillary Over Drudge Story

Matt Drudge is leading with a story saying that Clinton staffers "circulated" a photo of Obama in a turban and Somali village elder garb over the weekend.

Drudge's story doesn't report who the photo was "circulated" to, who provided it to him, what level of Clinton "staffer" circulated it, or how widely it was circulated.

We've contacted the Hillary campaign and they've not said anything about it yet.

The Obama campaign is already out with a statement from campaign manager David Plouffe condemning the Hillary campaign and saying it's part of a "disturbing pattern" from Camp Hillary:

“On the very day that Senator Clinton is giving a speech about restoring respect for America in the world, her campaign has engaged in the most shameful, offensive fear-mongering we’ve seen from either party in this election. This is part of a disturbing pattern that led her county chairs to resign in Iowa, her campaign chairman to resign in New Hampshire, and it’s exactly the kind of divisive politics that turns away Americans of all parties and diminishes respect for America in the world."

It's unclear whether the Obama camp has any evidence or info as to what happened beyond what appeared on Drudge.

More in a bit.

Late Update: The Hillary campaign responds.


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Teh Obama camp has one of the best rapid response teams in the business.

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I think in this case, the Obama camp blew it. The posting of the photo was only the setup, and Obama's people failed to recognize it. Clinton's team had their second shot all lined up and ready to go. It's not a huge problem, but I think Obama's people should have realized that the actual attack often follows the first shot.

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This is silly. I smell clintonian desperation.

Politico.com reports that the Clinton campaign did not deny the charges.

I'm just waiting to find out it is a hoax and that the anti-Clinton campaign jumped the gun yet again.

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If this is true (and I'm suspending belief until I learn for sure), she will have sunk to a new low, which only shows how desperate her campaign is right now. For once I'm grateful to Drudge (I can't believe I just wrote that!) for posting other photos of people dressed in local garb. If this is true and her staffers did circulate this photo, what in the hell is her campaign trying to accomplish? Why are they trying to destroy the Democratic party and the chance to reclaim the White House in November, even if it isn't Her Royal Highness that becomes Supreme Ruler?

Carol:

First you say, "I'm suspending belief until I learn for sure."

Then you proceed to breathlessly announce:

1) she will have sunk to a new low
2) which only shows how desperate her campaign is
3) what in the hell is her campaign trying to accomplish?
4) Why are they trying to destroy the Democratic party
5) even if it isn't Her Royal Highness that becomes Supreme Ruler

That, in only 4 sentences!

Questions: Do you work for Drudge? Or have you just had a little too much caffeine this morning? I ask because your overreaction is classic Clinton-bashing, straight out of the wingnut handbook: Make negative assumptions before you have any details.

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Oh, please. Spare me - with everything we've learned about her campaign tactics over the past few months you accuse me of being on Drudge's payroll and overreacting? I think my response was amazingly even-tempered and gives her campaign the benefit of the doubt until we find out for sure. And turns out the Politico article corroborates Drudge's report AND states that the Clinton campaign DID NOT deny distributing the photo:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8667.html

By the way, maybe you should read Anne's blog on how wonderfully fair and balanced the Clinton campaign has been with Obama over the past few months - great stuff, huh?

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/02/gop-testing-how-far-they-can-g.php

And you call us Obama supporters Kool-Aid drinkers? Please; it seems that some Clinton supporters on this site are purposely sticking their fingers in their ears and screaming "I can't hear you" when confronted with example after example of her negative and nasty campaign tactics.

(By the way, I don't drink coffee - no caffeine overload here!)

You're clearly a hysteric. I didn't say anything about Kool-Aid—now or ever—so FO.

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Why don't you read the most recent post on this issue - your beloved Hillary did NOT deny circulating this photo. Sorry to burst your bubble but your candidate is self-destructing.

Why don't you read the statement Maggie Williams released?

In a word: Enough.

do you have reading comprehension problems? Maggie Williams did not deny it. period.

Do you have reading comprehension problems? Enough.

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Methinks no one is more inflammatory in all this than you, readytoblowagasket.

If Drudge or anyone else were making this up, the Clinton campaign would deny it.

They would deny it.

The photo is meant to play up his middle name, Hussein, and scare working class people who don't have all day to surf the web and sort the facts and SOME of them will think that Barack is a Muslim.

MANY people in America already, mistakenly, do.

But they won't deny it, because they are circulating it.

And it is regretful and shameful and hurts the party.

So get off Carol's back. You are in the wrong on this one.

Why don't you backtrack and read my words more carefully? I criticized Carol for being contradictory. It's a valid criticism. She then accuses me of mentioning Kool-Aid. I have never thrown Kool-Aid in anyone's face here. Never have, never will. I don't think it's productive, and I hate when other people do it.

If you want to criticize my words, go ahead. But if you are going to attack me for things I haven't said and positions I haven't taken, then I will defend myself.

So, get off my back already.

The campaign that tried the smear doesn't really get to say "Don't talk about it!" when they get called on their behavior.

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They'll say that this photo is a demonstrable part of the record of Barack Obama, and they'll claim that releasing a truth, even with negative undertones, is what Obama did in his mailings. They may have a point technically, but the big difference is the mailers were about issues, this is about something much more sinister.

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"readytoblowagasket" calling the kettle black...

oh, well, what else is new?

ha!

It's just a name. Yes, some people respond to it. Human nature.

Like TheraP.

From the Politico story:

The Clinton campaign did not deny the charge, but did not comment further.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8667.html

So spare us . . . she's pushing this bullshit out.

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It's possible that the campaign can't deny that someone involved in the campaign did _something_ stupid. But that something stupid doesn't have to be "pushing a story," and that something stupid doesn't have to have been ordered from on high.

If a stupid campaign volunteer emailed this picture to his friends, then the Drudge story is _true_, in that a "circulation" took place, but it wouldn't be a smoking gun about slimy campaign tactics, because it wouldn't have been a campaign tactic.

If an Obama campaign volunteer emailed a friend to say "Hillary Clinton's a real ball-buster," and that friend wasn't really much of a friend but passed it on to Drudge, would that prove that the Obama campaign was coordinating an effort to use gutter-level sexist campaign tactics? I'm going to go with "No."

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Fine - then have Hillary (or her closest campaign advisors) come out and denounce the staff member who did this and promise that it will look into the matter. State that this is not how they run a campaign and they are sorry for the photo being distributed in order to smear her opponent. I've seen or heard nothing from either the candidate or the campaign, and their tacit approval speaks volumes. This may not have been coordinated by the official campaign but I can't imagine they're not happy it happened.

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I hate giving Drudge the clickthroughs, so I'll refrain -- do we know _where_ and _when_ this happened? Maybe the culprit hasn't been into the office yet. It's still early in the day.

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Whether it's a volunteer or a paid staffer, I think the point still stands.

Here we go, once again, with the "Reverse Clinton Rules."

The Clinton Rules, of course, are that the media is allowed to say any goddamned thing it wants, as long as its about the Clintons. One of the corralries is that anything they say or do is immediately attributed to malevolent calculation rather than mere stupidity or thoughtlessness.

All of this was true for a long time and, to a certain extent, it is. Unfotunately, however, this led to the creation of what I call "the Reverse Clinton Rules" which are de rigour for lefty bloggers.

Under the Reverse Clinton Rules, you are not allowed to attribute anything the Clintons do to malevolent calculation, no matter how painfully obvious it is or how much evidence has accumulated. And, of course, under the Reverse Clinton Rules, anyone who calls bullshit on anything they say or do, no matter how deceptive, how ruthless, how destructive to our cause, or how contrary to the principles they're supposed to represent is accused of being "Rovian" and using "righwing talking points."

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Don't we first have to know _what_ "the Clintons" _did_ in this case before we get to conclude whether they did it out of malice or not?

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Oh Snap!

Another Reverse Clinton Rule. The Clintons get to project their own flaws on other people. Hence Obama is "Rovian" and "arrogant" and filled with a "sense of entitlement."

a story saying that Clinton staffers "circulated" a photo of Obama in Muslim garb

No, Drudge never says "Muslim garb." Go back and re-read it.

I love the smell of desperation in the morning.

It smells like... defeat!

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Step 1: release incendiary info.

Step 2: no comment on whether you released the info.

Step 3: wait for it... the other side is irate!

Step 4: accuse the other side of hysteria

Boy... if that was the way we mental professionals did it, we would be sued to high heaven!

You folks have been sued plenty.

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But not for stuff like this.

"Teh Obama camp has one of the best rapid response teams in the business."

Some are saying too rapid since it's only Drudge that seems to have received it. But what else can the Obama camp do but discredit as forcefully as it can, which means tying it to previous discredited smears coming from the Clinton camp?

It could be argued that they could have discredited it as among other smears, regardless of source, but I imagine they contacted Drudge and have some confidence in Drudge's assertion that this came from a Clinton staffer.

Why oh why do people still vote for Hillary? I still can't understand it when she does this. Who thinks this is sound politics?

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Could become Obama's version of the McCain NYT story -- reflecting back worse on the pusher of the story than on the pushee...

And if that happens they just bring up how the Clinton campaign trusted Drudge enough to give him info in the past. "Oh NOW it's an untrustworthy news source?"

Course, maybe their saving their reply with a live Hillary press conference fueled by fury.

That went over good last time.

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Seems pretty likely that a Clinton volunteer found a funny-looking picture and emailed it around to some other volunteers, having added a comment about how their candidate isn't so fortunate as to be able to keep things like that out of the media. Petty, juvenile, sure. "Shameful, offensive fear-mongering"? I wouldn't say so, certainly not if the "circulation" was internal to the campaign.

Judging by the tone at DKos and elsewhere, Obama volunteers are awfully quick to voice and "circulate" insults about Clinton. True, it doesn't tend to end up in the non-blog media.

Hillery is turning into a cartoon character. She is now coming across like a childish taunter similar to Nelson Muntz on The Simpsons. Hah Hah, Smell you later Hillery!

Stay tuned for the next installment of Insult & Apologize...

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stemper: the pusher of the story

But Drudge doesn't say the Clinton camp was "pushing a story." He says "circulate," without saying anything about the audience for that circulation, as Greg points out. Drudge, or whoever tipped Drudge, is setting you up to believe that the picture was sent to the media, but the story doesn't actually say that.

What are the chances we'll see Obama get up on stage somewhere today with the picture in his hand, punching the air, shouting, "Shame on you, Hillary Clinton!"

Yeah, exactly.

With Democrats like this, who needs Republicans?

The adults in the Democratic party need to step up and punish her in a high-profile, tangible manner. If there is any justice in this world, the only story line we'll be hearing about the rest of this week is the tidal wave of superdelegates abandoning her for Obama and numerous, public, and high-profile calls for her to abandon her campaign.

This is positively disgusting.

With Democrats like these, who needs Republicans?

Well put.

democrats like what, exactly?

democrats who believe and parrot what ever shit drudge shovels so long as it plays into a talking point they can use to attack their opponent?

because those are the democrats who have me most concerned for the future of this country. and the obama camp is no less full of 'em than the clinton camp.

What's interesting is the non-denial from the Clinton camp. If they had nothing to do with this at all, they'd be out in front with at the very least a statement denying it. The non-denial doesn't necessarily mean that the upper echelons of the Clinton campaign deliberately put this out there, but it does seem to suggest that they're willing to take the hit now and see if this becomes an issue in the Ohio and Texas primaries. Either that, or the state of the Clinton campaign is in even worse shape than we thought.

Expect a hasty retreat and a terse apology/denial if this one goes bad quickly.

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Seems pretty likely that a Clinton volunteer found a funny-looking picture and emailed it around to some other volunteers...

Where do you get 'volunteers' from. The Drudge story talked about "stressed Clinton staffers," which I assume would mean paid staffers, likely using campaign email addresses.

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OK, "staffers" might suggest that they were paid. I don't have a particular stake in saying that they were unpaid volunteers rather than paid staffers. Paid staffers should have better judgment than to do any of this. But the crux of the matter is still whether it was circulated internally or externally, especially externally to reporters.

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I'm still skeptical about the provenance of the photo, but Plouffe's statement is useful in that it reminds everyone that Clinton staffers are on record as having circulated the damaging "Obama is a muslim" emails. Those staffers were fired or let go, but there's a precedent.

Plouffe's statement is useful in that it reminds everyone that Clinton staffers are on record as having circulated the damaging "Obama is a muslim" emails

Bingo!

See how the Obama camp plays the game too? I realize you may not, but this is very likely an attempt to stunt Clinton's gains in OH.

Why do I say that? Because there is (currently) no story here.

Whats wrong with the photo....was it him?
Whats the problem?
He's not allowed to dress as he see fit?
What are you folks afraid of.

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Yeah, why doesn't he like people to use his middle name? What is he afraid of? Sheesh.

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Pure speculation here, but what if Drudge is right? If so, then I'd say it's because the Clinton campaign has been taking the lead from her behavior over the weekend. After all, if the boss is swinging at Obama, why shouldn't the worker bees?

Oy. Since the original "speculation" was on Greg Sargent's part, then yes, the follower bees in the comment thread feel free to speculate too. See how that works when it comes from the top?

Umm, Erik? Not "Muslim garb" and, frankly, the term is a kind of offensive to the extent that it plays into what will certainly be the next big email smear. It's African garb and, more specifically, if Drudge is to be believed, "Somali elder" garb.

1. Neither Somalia nor Kenya are exclusively Muslim. Kenya, in fact, is 90% Christian.

2. Last I heard, there is no such thing as "Muslim garb." Notwithstanding the wingnut rhetoric about Islalamofacism, they still don't have an official uniform.In some Muslim countries, and even regions within countries, there are dress codes deemed "religious" that are, in fact, local customs. Even for women.

It behooves us to try to keep the facts straight before the wingnuts begin the inevitable email smear in which they'll claim this photo shows him dressed up as a "Muslim Bishop" or some such ignorant insanity.

And yes, part of me is glad this is coming now rather than on October 25, but I'm also just stunned that Democrats would do something like this.

Has anyone else simply started ignoring what Clinton does at this point?

I went to sleep last night with the thought, "who cares."

She's done. It's over.\
She's making a fool of herself.
If anything, it's good practice for Obama.

Clinton has nothing. Can do nothing. Is nothing -- with regards to this campaign -- but is in danger of becoming nothing now in the Senate.

Note that one of the words used by Plouffe to repudiate the alleged photo-push is "shameful." Is this designed to counter "Shame on you, Barak Obama!"? Shame for shame, as it were? The word has bite, deep-down bite, which is why the Obama team is using the elder-garb flap as an opportunity to turn the word against Hillary. We're into subliminal politics now. I'm beginning to feel like an ape in an ongoing stimulus-response experiment. Crazy!

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Aaaaand ... just in case Hillary wins the nomination, AP's Pete Yost gets out early with a Whitewater primer to remind all good GOP muckrakers where to start.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080224/D8V0PIKO0.html

Classy.

Actually interestingly enough the Clinton campaign just put out a statement through Maggie Williams castigating Obama for making an issue out of this ... without at ANY point denying they WERE circulating it.
Things that make you go mmmm

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Somebody involved with the campaign probably did send the picture somewhere. So they can't "deny" that. Still, the key point is the extent of the "circulation," which we don't know.

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I think it is good that this stuff comes out now, it helps with the innoculation process for the fall. That said, all of this helps Dem voters to revisit the long standing narrative about Clinton character, which in this case is revealed in the desperation we are seeing as the dynastic ship goes down.

Don't worry you've got it made.....right?
It's all over.....right?
She's finished....right?

This is nothing. Obama has won 11 in a row. 1 more debate. He's catching up in TX and Ohio. Polls say he'll beat Walnuts in the GE. He will change the world and everything is gonna be great. The 2nd coming is here. What could be better. Don't worry be happy.

I'm assuming you're being sarcastic.

But, regardless, you're correct. Obama will win anyway.

Even if it does gets some attention in MSM, Obama will openly acknowledge it and ask people what the problem is. Is there some sort of problem with dressing in accordance with local custom (as Bush has done, Bill Clinton has done, and Hillary herself as done), or is this just a blatant appeal to bigotry on the part of the Clinton campaign?

He will pull some political jujitsu on this.

As Jake says in Chinatown (I think I have this right):

"You're dumber than you think I think you are."

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Drudge IS the media. He rules beltway journalists' world. This story is as asinine as making a big deal about Nancy Pelosi wearing a veil in Syria.

just another example why this country needs some change, seriously. we can expect more pictures of like these probably from a documentary "Obama goes to Africa" or something like that, which I think it is about to out for sale. you go around visit other countries as an elected official from a country, you'll receive lots of gifts like THEIR TRADITIONAL OUTFITS and if you want be gracious about it, you put them on!!

I get so upset. because time and time again,the right wing trying to tapped into American ignorance on other cultures and customs, assuming people are stupid and buy into the argument against their opponents. forget Hillary, we better get ready for the right-wing smear machine.

we are the ones who'll protect the democratic nominee from the right-wing go democrats 08!!!

I posted this comment on the "Maggie Williams Responds" thread, but, Sashimi, I think it dovetails nicely with what you have written (forgiveness, please!):

OK, now I'm getting a little nervous. Until this latest smear, I was working under the assumption that the American people are better than this. But I have to wonder, At what point in the cascade of misinformation are people's prejudices finally loosed? In a recent issue of Dissent, Paul Berman quotes the British novelist Iain Pears on European anti-Semitism: "anti-Semitism is like alcoholism. You can go for 25 years without a drink, but if things go bad and you find yourself with a vodka in your hand, you can’t get rid of it." I wonder if the same couldn't be said about this most virulent forms of American racism and xenophobia? Are we doomed to see this stuff rise to the surface when things get rough? Or can we actually improve as a people? Obama's presidency is premised on the idea that we can move forward together as one nation. Now, the success of his candidacy depends on this being true.

I have to say, that was actually not a bad Drudge article.

It looks to hit Clinton more than Obama...

especially with the series of photos on the bottom, with Hillary, Bush and Bill.

NET RESULT: Favors Obama.

(Clinton supporters can start the "must have been a Obama plant all along" conspiracies now)

Except that it garners attention for this photo that had none prior.

NET RESULT: Cynical Clinton backers and the entire GOP base use this to continue to paint Obama as somehow not sufficiently "pro-American".

Right now, it's just a side-show distraction, but the more attention the story gets, the worse it probably is for the Obama campaign in general.

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Vote for Hillary! Evergreen straw men.

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All of these photos and such are obviously going to make the rounds during the general election campaign. So on the one hand, it's good practice for Obama to deal with them now.

But the problem when stuff like this comes from other Democrats is that it cannot be counterattacked as vigorously as it needs to be without dividing the party. Obama has been making a real effort to keep the party united, and has shown the patience of Job with some of these recent attacks. But the party needs to help him out if Clinton is determined to go out in a blaze of glory and inflict as many casualties as she can on the way out.

Right now, Clinton is on the verge of turning herself into a political suicide bomber, and someone needs to step in to prevent it. We need some Clinton supporters to switch their endorsements and get behind Obama, and remaining uncommitted leaders to say enough is enough.

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Greg: JESUS CHRIST. Try to report the facts, OK? Just try. We all know you're a Hillary supporter, but this is getting ridiculous.

"It's unclear whether the Obama camp has any evidence or info as to what happened beyond what appeared on Drudge."

The Obama camp doesn't need to provide evidence. Drudge is the one who ran the story. Your candidate is playing the filthiest sort of political games. Shame on you for assisting her.

Uhh, pretty sure this favors Obama and not Hillary.

Can't see how anyone thinks this story is pro-Hillary.

right. and it is OBAMA who is jumping on the drudge story to benefit HIS campaign.

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Dan K wrote:

"We need some Clinton supporters to switch their endorsements and get behind Obama, and remaining uncommitted leaders to say enough is enough."

Word.

Time for the party elders to act like statesmen and stateswomen here.

The only "counterattack" needed to to circulate that picture of Bush from the Drudge report. Can anyone tell me what country that is from? It's like a blue robe or something...

It's one of Karl Rove's dresses.

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From Hogwarts?

Kenya - to quote Drudges report

"after a report that staffers working for Hillary Clinton sent reporters the photo, which shows Obama wearing a turban and native Kenyan clothing. Clinton's campaign did not deny its staffers distributed the photo"

I'll admit I am a bit skeptical. This is just too easy.

Clinton may be waiting to apologize until she finds out who circulated the photo. I can give her that much... it's a pretty serious charge and Obama may have jumped the gun by immediately responding to it.

I vote Obama, by the way.

To me, it sounds like they were waiting for a counter-attack.

From the Drudge Report:

Clinton campaign manager Maggie Williams responds: "If Barack Obama's campaign wants to suggest that a photo of him wearing traditional Somali clothing is divisive, they should be ashamed."

ie, if they're trying to cut Obama's support among African-Americans, this is one slick way to do it.

Frankly, though, I don't think this will have much impact on the race one way or another. Not many people will switch sides because of this.

If I were Barack Obama, I'd resist the impulse to respond to Clinton silliness and drama.

The staged "outrage" yesterday, this nonsense today...these people aren't mature enough to run the country.

If Clinton pulls out a victory this is what Americans can expect for 4 years: rabid partisanship and completely political posturing.

Nothing's going to get done, but the Clintons will be vindicated and "victorious".

Stick to the game plan, Barack: don't let them draw you in. No one wins under the Clinton scenario, except Senator Clinton.

Hmmm....someone's using Rovian tactics and it ain't the Obama campaign...

I simply don't get it. If someone says Obama's whole name, they are trying to smear him. Now, this picture is said to inject fear. This is simply part of Barack Obama. I don't see him tied down wearing these clothes. He doesn't look drugged to me. I believe he wore these clothes of his own free will. So what is the problem that someone puts it out to the general public? Did they steal the photo?? If you are going to support Obama, then you can not be ashamed of parts of his history, his life. This includes his name, the clothes he wears, the church he attends, or the admiration he draws from Louis Farrakhan. All of these things lead me to support another candidate, but its a free country.

I have no problem with people telling the truth about Obama.

But statements like "the admiration he draws from Louis Farrakhan" is a smear. And if you don't think so, then I suppose you approve the Republicans saying "Osama bin Laden supports John Kerry"?

Guilt by association arguments are the worst.

Judge Obama as himself, not what fringe-groups support or don't support him.

I think Clinton would make a better President, but all of this guilt by association crap is stupid. Did you know that Obama's spiritual adviser, or pastor, Jeremiah Wright, served in the 2nd Marine Division from 1961 to 1963? That's my son's division. I can vouch for their patriotism.

She sounds like George Castanza's mother


A sad but fitting end to the Clintons

OK, I am as troubled by this smear as the next fellow, but let's take a moment to appreciate just how TALL the other dude in the picture is. I mean, Barack is pretty lanky himself, about 6'2" or so. But the dignitary-host-guy towering over him makes him look like Dennis frigging Kucinich!

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The only thing disturbing about the photo is that right-wing xenophobes will use it to whip themselves up into a hatelather.

Which, actually is pretty disturbing.

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More like "Rove Lite" -- tastes fake; less thrilling.

I'd actually have more respect for the Clinton organization if it WAS going all out, tooth and fang, to smear and destroy Obama. The full Rovian monty. I think that's the kind of candidate the Dems will need this year -- instead of Obama and his Kumbaya up-with-people schtick.

But these timid, half-hearted attacks just broadcast weakness and indecisiveness -- like the time the Clinton White House tried to "punish" one Democratic Senator by denying him tickets to some stupid photo op event. The scumbag (Shelby of Alabama) just laughed and switched parties.

If the Clinton were just half a ruthless and devious as the wing nuts give them credit for, this race would already be over.

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Well you Obama supporters are certainly consistent. Anything Obama does is acceptable by virtue of the fact that he's the one doing it. Now anything Drudge says is totally believable, as long as it makes Hillary look bad. Honestly, do you folks apply the same uncritical acceptance to evrything Drudge posts? Does it mean anything to you that the only connection to the Clinton campaign at this point comes from Drudge saying it? And if you read the article, all it says is if the photo was of Hillary it would be on magazine covers. It doesn't say a word about Obama being a Muslim, or anything negative about him.

As for the non-denial, perhaps the Clinton campaign wants to make sure no one in their organization sent this e-mail before denying it. Anyone can send an e-mail without it being official campaign policy. Assuming something is true because it hasn't been denied is classic demagoguery.

It's clear that a lot of you have no idea how campaigns work. I coordinated the effort for Hillary in my town on Super Tuesday. I wasn't paid, and I doubt very many people even on the state level knew my name. I could have sent out hundreds of false e-mails, which would then have been credited to a "Clinton staffer," without the campaign having any idea what I was doing. I post regularly here and elsewhere, but my comments have no connection to the campaign. The two women in Iowa who circulated the Muslim e-mail were precinct captains. That is a totally volunterr unpaid position. Theye weren't "staffers'" and everything they did can't be construed to represent the campaign. I think it's very likely that the Clinton campaign doesn't want to issue a blanket denial until they can research the issue (Drudge doesn't give them much to go on.) If they deny it now, then find out that some precinct captain in Ohio sent out the e-mail, all of the Yahoos here and elsewhere will be screamiong about their LIES and ROVIAN TACTICS.

Funny how when Michelle Obama or Jesse Jackson Jr. says something ridiculous, all of the Obama apologists are quick to point out that they're not the one who's running. But when some unnamed person who may or may not be connected to the campaign sends out an e-mail, why, there's no question that the Clinton campaign bears total responsibility for their "tactics."

And Carol Soprano, just go ahead and bash Hillary. This pretense towrds even-handedness is really annoying. readytoblowagasket had you dead to rights. Stop your ridiculous posturing.

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And I will repeat what I said up thread:

Fine - then have Hillary (or her closest campaign advisors) come out and denounce the staff member who did this and promise that it will look into the matter. State that this is not how they run a campaign and they are sorry for the photo being distributed in order to smear her opponent. That's what a campaign with any class would do.

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Yes indeedy - it's silly season. The Law of Survival is now in effect: "It is not who is right, it's whose left."

Step 1: release incendiary info.

No, TheraP, Step 1 is for TPM to read shit into a story in order to elicit a knee-jerk response from TPM readers. They do it all the time, and it works every time.

Please provide the proof that anything—let alone anything "incendiary"—was "released." To be accurate, Drudge simply says Clinton "staffers" "circulated" a photograph. Where was it circulated? What exactly qualifies as incendiary here?

Boy... if that was the way we mental professionals did it, we would be sued to high heaven!

Do you mental health professionals make unfounded judgments or jump to conclusions based on zero facts? I hope you don't.

I'm at a loss to see how the photo is incendiary in any way.

What was the point in circulating the photo to anyone?

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The note that went with the photo suggested that the staffer was surprised that Obama could put on the traditional attire and not get attacked for it. So, on one level, I agree that the staffer was hinting that the picture looked bad and, probably, terroristic. But that's not the same thing as saying that:

1. The Clinton campaign circulated the photo to the media; or
1a. The Clinton campaign _deliberately_ circulated the photo to the media; or
1b. The Clinton campaign deliberately circulated the photo to the media to make Obama look un-American.

Staffers do stupid shit. That does not mean that some entity called "The Campaign" is _ordering_ staffers to do stupid shit out of a grand strategy.

DC? Now that is something America should worry about! Unfortunately many of 'us' Americans like swimming in the lower end of human drivel and really like gossip an innuendo. And the media keeps feeding it to us!

Ah, here a cheers and a wish hoping that America can wake up smarter and ready to take on those that lead us astray!

I wouldn't say this is the worst in the campaign, the Clinton camp has done far nastier things.

Farrakhan hails Obama in speech

Calls Illinois senator "the hope of the entire world"

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-farrakhan25feb25,1,4274996.story?ctrack=3&cset=true

SC madden

Here is the story of Farrakhans admiration. I am not misleading anyone.

You missed my point.

If Osama bin Laden says on a video tape he would like for a Democrat to be elected, would it be fair for Republicans to say "Osama bin Laden supports Democrats?"

You really are an imbecile. You want people to stop supporting Obama because Farrakan said he admires him.

Louis Farrakan also loves Cheeseburgers, Ribs, Chicken Coffee, Apple Pie, Suits and Ties, Automobiles, Planes, Trains, Omelets, Movies, Soft Drinks etc.

Looks like you sure have a lot of things to give up because Louis Farrakan happens to also like them.

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Are you saying you think the Clinton campaign releasing this photo is just fine?

I don't know if the Clinton campaign was responsible for circulating the photo. If so, I think it was a mistake. It actually shows Sen. Obama in a favorable light.

It would have been fair, however, to address the overall 2006 Kenyan trip by Sen. Obama for what it shows about the kind of foreign relations that we can expect from him.

On the one hand, the Drudge-generated photo shows a young American and symbol of the US demonstrating respect to an elder in a foreign country -- one can hardly imagine a more constructive moment for US diplomacy. This is why I don't understand the Obama campaign's overreaction to the photo. Its a plus.

On the other hand, its fair to look at the fuller story of the trip, for it was taken by a sitting US Senator, and there are some doubts about other aspects of the trip (i.e., Sen. Obama's association with insurgent Raila Odinga).

http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/Barack.Obama.Kenya.2.331658.html

Anybody or any campaign that would even think of buying right-winger Drudge's garbage without filtering it very, very thoroughly, and very publicly, is politically immature, to say the least. Unfortunately for the Democratic Party it sounds like the beginning of a form-over-substance "children's crusade."
In 1960, as a progressive Democrat and Army veteran, attending college under the Korean GI Bill, I held my nose and voted for JFK and his rhetoric; so if Obama gets the nomination I'll vote for him, but ONLY because I fear McCain and his ilk as much as I did Nixon and his gang.

Fact is this isn't just about the Drudge headline anymore. The HRC campaign has given a non-denial as a response. HRC's been throwing everything she's got at Obama recently and due to the precedents set by members of her staff in Iowa and New Hampshire, it wouldn't be shocking that a staffer would circulate a publicly available photo of this type. Let's stop playing games and saying things like "What, I see nothing wrong with it, it's just Obama dressed like a Muslim!". We all know what the intent is behind releasing a photo of this type, IF it came from the HRC camp (and I'm pretty sure it did, given their non-denial). And I think the reason that Plouff responded so quickly is because of how much this episode stinks, how it belongs in the gutters with Michael Savage et al.

With all the false e-mails circulating that say Obama was schooled in a Madrassa ul-Deen, and that he's a radical muslim, the last place you'd expect this sort of bigoted lie to come from would be the "fired-up-and-ready-to-go" campaign of HRC.

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I will never in a million years vote for Hillary Clinton if she gets the nomination. She has run a despicable (as well as incompetent campaign).

If, God forbid, she gets the nomination, I will sit it out or vote for Nader. I couldn't take enough showers to cleanse myself if I voted for someone who practices the loathsome politics that she does.

I already sent one

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I guess the BHO campaign will think twice about sending out any more Harry and Louise type mailers directed at the HRC campaign. This was much more effective than "shame on you."

LOL.

Yeah, because that's exactly the same thing.

Obama's flyers about health care are fair; Hillary's been hitting him on it to. It's a fair debate, and one of the few issues they have some differences on.

On the other hand, sending out a picture of Obama in a turbin and robes... well, I find nothing wrong with it, but you can bet some people will. And that's what Hillary is hoping for.

I don't think it will work. I think it will backfire on her. But defending it is pretty silly, just do a google search and see the kind of "he looks like a suicide bomber" quotes you will find on some websites.

Yes, it's effective in destroying both Clinton and Obama's chances to win the general election. Congratulations.

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We'll see. As I stated above, I think this releasing this photo without explanation is analogous in some ways to Obama's attacking HRC on NAFTA and mandates without explanation. It's a clever comeback, perhaps a little too clever in that it plays on a dark side of human nature a little too lightly (if indeed that's the explanation we eventually get from the Clinton campaign). Either way, I think it will backfire.

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We'll see. As I stated above, I think this releasing this photo without explanation is analogous in some ways to Obama's attacking HRC on NAFTA and mandates without explanation. It's a clever comeback, perhaps a little too clever in that it plays on a dark side of human nature a little too lightly (if indeed that's the explanation we eventually get from the Clinton campaign). That it is indeed darker is illustrated by your stement that this is "much more effective". Either way, I think it will backfire.

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What a stupid analogy.

I've been a strong Hillary supporter so I will wait until there is stronger evidence before judging this situation. However, I am disturbed at the lack of a strong answer from the Clinton campaign.

I'm not sure what to make of this story. I don't see what benefit Hillary could gain from this, which is why it's hard for me to believe that her campaing would purposely sabotage themselves with such a move. That's why I'm rather suspicious. Hillary needs to come out asap and set things straight, otherwise it will be taken as a silent admission of guilt. As a Hillary supporter, this sickens me and all I can hope for is that this has been falsely attributed to her.

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I think somebody went overboard trying to make a point.

Greg Sargent's original post at 9:50 stated:

a story saying that Clinton staffers "circulated" a photo of Obama in Muslim garb

That's what was not only false and irresponsibly biased, it was deliberately incendiary. I objected to it at 10:29 AM upthread. Lots of shit hit the fan since then.

Meanwhile Greg has quietly edited his words, without announcement, to:

a photo of Obama in a turban and Somali village elder garb

I am writing this at 1:05 PM.

Thanks for having the guts to own up to your mistakes, Greg.

Yeah, I actually wrote Josh Marshall about that. (his story on the left side used the "Somali garbed" text).

I wrote complaining about Greg's words: (to talk@talkingpointsmemo.com )

"Change your "Muslim-garb" copy. Somali garb is what it's referred to in the linked article. Don't you agree those are two very different meanings?"

This is how he responded:

"I think that's how I referred to it in my post. Narrowly speaking I think you're right. In a more general context I think it's fair to construe that as the message, however, for why something like this would be spread around"

It is an interesting point. To those who will be offended by these pictures, it's not because he looks "African." It's because he looks "Muslim."

But frankly, if we're going to determine descriptions by the worst common denominator, than why not just say:

"Obama dressed as a suicide bomber."

Because that's the worse implication of the photo, and that's the image that Obama wants to avoid.

It's sad he has to defend this picture at all.

Some posters here are pretty thick.
Comments like "So what is wrong with the photo - he should be proud" etc.

This is the point (and really someone with a mental age of 5 should be able to get it) - The Hillary campaign put out this photo (and it did put out this photo)because they believed that it would make Obama look bad. Why else??????

By putting out this photo and playing to the lowest common denominator- this strategy encourages rascism and religious intolerance. It is thus rascist - amongst other things.

It is irrelevant as to whether this is a muslim garb or not - it looks foreign - simple as that. It is meant to be a subliminal message. It is designed to appeal to the ignorant and intolerant. We like to this of these people as the Rove base - that do not belong in the Democratic party.

This is pure rascism - the Hillary campaign had its chance to distance itself and demurred - now it is too late. Hillary campaign is disgusting and Hillary supporters who try and rationalise simply reveal a total lack of objectivity bordering on incredible ignorance. The are not far removed from the Rove base.

this is EXCELLENT NEWS!!! FOR HILLARY!!!


!!!HILLMENTUM™!!!!

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What has become apparent is that Clinton cries out about campaign tactics and then engages in them behind the curtain.

So is this Rove tactics? You betcha....

Is coming out weeks after a mailer was distributed in WI and OH about NAFTA attributing that the Clinton's were responsible for this treaty and even in her own book she called it a Clinton Administration success a Rove style tactic....YOU BETCHA....

Frank Rich called it best. Her campaign has been run by the same level of compentency as the Iraq Invasion and post occupation...hubris miscalculations.....incompentent through and through...

BTW, Bill Clinton goes off and says the 20 odd states Obama has won as insignificant and only CA, NY and TX are.....meaning those are the states that also benefitted by NAFTA...but is railing about it being an issue in Ohio....

Now this picture.....talk about Roving.....

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JayR, you ask "What was the point in circulating the photo to anyone?" If you read the article, it's quite clear. Whoever sent the e-mail said if the picture was of Hillary it would be splashed all over the media. It's not a bad point, considering the media bias against Hillary. The fact that the photo exists in the public domain, yet it's the first time we've seen it, kind of validates that point.

What the e-mail didn't say, at least as far as we can tell from Drudge's typical in-depth reporting, is "Hey, Obama's a Muslim!" or "Let's send this to the media to make Obama look bad!" But apparently if you have any connection to the Clinton campaign you need to have your e-mails approved by the Obama camp before you send them.

Of course, something like this is red meat for the Hillary haters, who say things like "Are you saying you think the Clinton campaign releasing this photo is just fine?" So now it's gone from an e-mail that someone forwarded to Drudge, to "releasing" the e-mail. You guys really need to get a grip. If it wasn't for the Muslim rumor problems, this photo would just be another funny photo of a politician in a crazy costume. But because Obama has to deal with the Muslim smears, suddenly the whole world is supposed to treat him differently. If you don't want a photo like this circulated, don't put on the costume. It's that simple.

You guys really just sit around waiting to be offended, don't you? Just like right wing talk radio audiences.

If some Obama supporters are offended, perhaps it's because the Hillary camp has played the race / Muslim card before.

At a certain point, you have to wonder: Is Hillary doing this so the Democrats can win? Or is she doing this so Obama will lose?

Keep in mind, Obama is likely to be the Democratic nominee.

as someone who actually embraces progressive principles, i care more about outcomes than outputs.

as a progressive, who gets elected is more important than who i vote for.

as a progressive, i couldn't live with myself if i helped elect john mccain as president.

as a progressive, i understand that my egotism and my arrogance about my vote isn't what the election is about.

anyone who doesn't understand or care about the difference between outcomes and outputs is not a progressive.

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Better now than in October.

Really, it's down to this - do you want a candidate whose campaign regularly insults your intelligence? Pick Hillary Clinton.

Sorry for the tangent- I just think that the ad for the republican "Sauerberg" running against Dick Durbin is hilarious. At first it turned my stomach, but the more I thought about, the more I think this idiot is throwing his money away. Perhaps my assumptions are invalid, but I don't foresee him garnering many votes from advertising on this site. Keep taking his dough Josh!

I will never ever vote for Hillary RamRod Clinton for any office. McCain is looking good to me if she is the Dem nominee.

It would be fun watching McCain destroy the Republican party for good by trying to taxcut and '100 years war' us out of the nations ills. Can you say Great Depression II.

If it just wasn't for the Supreme Court...

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Know what?

I couldn't care less about this. Obama dressed up in that outfit and now that it is being distributed it is evidence of nefarious and unfair campaigning? Waaaa, waaaa, waaaaa!

If the Clinton people put this out there (and it wouldn't surprise me at all if they did)it isn't as though this is simply a photoshop creation of theirs. If the Obama people squeal this loud over such a minor and trivial thing, how are they going to react when the Mighty Wurlitzer of the Republican character assassination nachinery kicks into gear?

Grow up people. This is a whole lot of nothing.

SCMadden,

To:

In a more general context I think it's fair to construe that as the message, however, for why something like this would be spread around

I say it's fair to question TPM publicly when their actual copy says that Drudge reported it as Muslim garb. Drudge didn't; TPM did. (Furthermore, I will now add: Define "spread around," because TPM readers were never told where and how the photo was circulated that qualifies it as being "spread around." We are still waiting for that information.)

Now, if TPM wants to discuss the "general context" (general context of what, Josh doesn't say) and the "message" (which message: of the photo itself? of its "circulation"? of the intended goal of the circulator? of the current climate for the photo's reception? what???) then do it! They are writers. But don't write one thing and claim it means something else entirely. We're not mind-readers. We're readers of the written word.

Sorry, but TPM gets an F for reporting on this one. If they weren't in the wrong, they wouldn't have changed the copy.

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We're not mind-readers. We're readers of the written word.

This, from someone who wrote this comment?

All you have to do to understand what Hillary intends is add the word "Therefore" to begin the next paragraph. The word "Therefore" has been elided, yet it is understood in the context of the sentence. I guess if Hillary's copyeditor had suspected there might be such a gross misread by hysterics, she would have queried it.

We're readers of the written word. Don't expect us to read minds. Except when the HRC campaign writes something, then we get to read their minds and add in words that render what they say more palatable.

I get it now.

Oh, btw, your "FO" comment upthread was classy. Real classy.

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I can't disagree that the analogy is stretched, but my bet is you'll be hearing it.

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Sorry if this is a repeat (got tired of reading all the snarky comments), but wasn't there something a few months ago about Hillary playing nice with Drudge? I wondered what was up with that.

When Obama began playing the race card in South Carolina to sew up the African American vote, it was slimy politics, but at least it made sense. This whining over a photograph is just stupid. Is he ashamed of being seen dressed like that? Do all images of His Greatness henceforth need to be pre-approved by the High Priests of Obamaland, lest they offend the delicate sensibilities of The Chosen One or his flock? I suggest he stop worrying about pictures and start figuring out how to sell his bogus health care plan.

This "cult of Obama" business is getting a little old...

I like my candidate, but he's hardly a prophet. He's still a politician, just a better one than yours. ; )

I am tired of the Bushes and Clintons this is not a monarchy. Hillary and company is part of our problem. yes she will mandate health care and garnish the salaries of those that dont pay. She is a slime bucket i cannot believe her speech yesterday speaking of celestrial choirs and beamng lights. HOW CAN SHE MANAGE THE US AND CANNOT MANAGE HER OWN COMPAIGN WITH RUN AWAY SPENDING. MAYBE WHEN SHE MESSES UP WHE WILL LOAN THE GOVERNMENT 5 MILLION

one more thing wearing flag pin is silly because they were made in china thanks nafta

OK Hillary, I've just sent more money to Obama campaign behind these hidious tactics. This is so outrageous! What are you thinking/doing???

quote - "how are they going to react when the Mighty Wurlitzer of the Republican character assassination nachinery kicks into gear?"

http://www.alternet.org/stories/50998/

The Wurlitzer already started back in April of '07.

The dog-whistle smears and attacks of the blowhards started early, and for sure they will continue.

It is eye-opening to see the same tactics apparently being employed by the Clinton campaign.

Regardless of whether the Clinton campaign approved of the idea, they are not forcefully denouncing it, because it is a tactic, and one they hope will work to staunch the gaping wounds of their poorly run and executed campaign.

Talk about class... /sarcasm

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Sadly, foaming at the mouth about "shameful, offensive fear-mongering" was not the way to respond to this event. BHO wins by keeping his cool and maybe injecting a bit of humor. Assuming it was the HRC campaign that circulated the photo, the correct response would be: "While visiting northern Kenya, I was offered a gift of traditional local clothing. As others in similar positions, such as Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, and Hillary Clinton, have done, I donned the clothing as a gracious sign of appreciation for the gift and respect for those who gave it. I want to thank the Clinton campaign for highlighting my international experience and the respect with which those in other countries treat me."

Something like that.

If you got it, gharlane, you would not have included the part that says "if Hillary's copyeditor had suspected there might be such a gross misread by hysterics, she would have queried it."

Writers can elide certain individual words (like "then" in the construction If a, then b to get If a, b) and still get their meaning across. They do run a risk confusing the reader, however. A copyeditor's job is to try to assess what might be misread. Usually, a potentially massive misread is much more obvious than in Hillary's letter to NBC (which, as we know now, was not calling for David Shuster's dismissal).

Are you bored yet?

That's very different from assuming your reader can divine your thesis wholesale without ever actually articulating it.

TPM made a bunch of faulty assumptions about the Drudge story, and in their impatience to write it up without confirming any details, were worse than sloppy. (See how I just elided the "they" in the last clause?) They know this, which is why they changed the copy.

Get it now?

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