And these 80 were only the most obvious tampered/miscounted results, being a ridiculous "0" and all. We know nothing ab out how many votes were simply shaved off the Obama total and added to the Clinton total in clost precincts, just to create the illusion of a sweep.

Note: this is more a slam against the electronic voting machines and the politicians who like them because it's easier to fix an election than against Hillary's camp specifically.

Still, I'm not hearing any calls from her side that this needs to be investigated and the sanctity of the vote protected. Not suprising for a group of people who think it's ok to seat delegates from a state where there was no real election, though.

that's why they want *automatic* delegates, instead of super.

AAAAAaaacckk! VOTING MACHINES!!!

There's is only one solution. Recount the entire city. By hand. It's the only way to be sure.

Indeed, even a Hillary-supporting state Assemblyman said that a margin of 118-0 in one precinct "has to be a mistake."

Not really. More like intentional vote fixing on behalf of Hillary Clinton.

When the mistakes all favor her, then it was clearely intentional and premeditated.

Vote for Hillary so that Karl Rove lives on.

Not a Mistake; Actually a Ms Take.

Keep the cheating Clintons out of the White House.

Latest Texas poll, done by the Texas Credit Union League:

Obama 49%
Clinton 41%

http://www.590klbj.com/News/Story.aspx?ID=85203

NY State has the old school, phone booth, lever-pulling voting system. You pull the gear, the vote registers. Seeing as both campaigns have surrogates present during the vote counting process (unless you're in New Mexico apparently), the only way to explain the types of discrepancies they're finding now is human "error".

This should be interesting.

Let's not forget Los Angeles County CA where the double bubble ballot was a fiasco that may have cost
over 200,000 "decline to state" voters ie independents their right to have their Dem ballot votes count in the primary. We all know these voters were coming out overwhelmingly for Obama and that huge screw up which may wind up in court might cost him a number of delegates. You can about this ongoing mostly unreported saga and take action at http://www.couragecampaign.org/

Pathetic and disheartening. Its interesting that you never hear this type of thing happening in obama's favor. He is winning big time by playing totally by the rules. Talk about a different type of politics. The clintons can't even win by cheating and people want her to be president? Too funny.

http://www.slate.com/id/2184536/

By Dahlia Lithwick

14 Feb, 2008

Dear Barack:

I know it's kind of lame to break up with you on Valentine's Day. And on the Internet to boot. But it's also kind of ironic. And that's what I need to tell you. As an ironic, contrarian, so-hip-it-hurts Gen X-er, I just can't love you anymore. I can't like you because … because, well, everyone else does. And suddenly supporting you just seems soooo last week.

Last week, my hip friends were all thronging stadiums and manning phone banks for you. Now they're all blogging against you and downing water and Tylenol like they've just done 12 Obama shooters in 20 minutes and then barfed in the cloakroom.

I know this is going to sound strange, but it's not you, Barack, it's me. Really it always was me, but now it's really, really about me. I don't know when we started to feel weird supporting you, but: My friend Hanna thinks it started with that "Yes We Can," video. I mean, last week I was totally crying watching it. Now just thinking about how choked up I got gives me the creeps. I think I felt something at the time, but even if I did, I'm pretty sure I don't want to feel it anymore.

Feeling inspired is soooo early-February. Or maybe it started when everyone began madly posting last week about how you are not the Messiah. And that got me thinking. Then, when commentators started accusing me of being a venomous drone in a "cult of personality," I just needed to get out. I mean cults are soooo 1970s. And cults of personality? So totally first century.

Cult or no cult, this week I just started getting really confused about you. I mean, when people start to say that your strengths are actually weaknesses? That just makes sense, if you really think about it. I mean, what's the point of being such an inspirational speaker if all you can do is give inspirational speeches? Do better, Barack. I mean, do worse!

So I've been thinking a lot about our time together, Barack. Supporting you wholeheartedly was the best damn 14 days of my life. I liked you before liking you was cool. But now it is, so it's not. Know what I mean? At least now I can go back to being flip and cynical and edgy again. I bet you wish you could, too.

But don't be sad! My friend has a Web site: IlikedObamabeforehewascool.com . It's not much of a site, but it sure is funny. As for me, well, I just can't be comfortable liking you now that liking you is like liking an iPhone. Maybe if you can be more of a jerk or play hard to get or something? Maybe you could uninspire some of your fans? Maybe then I could believe in you again. I'm hopeful. Or at least just hopeful enough to still be cool.

Me, I'm going to roll up my sleeves and start working for the Dennis Kucinich 2012 campaign. Edgy, no? And if things start really truly going south for you, I want you to know that you can count on my future fleeting and conditional support in the months and years ahead. Yes, you can.

New York uses mechanical lever machines, not computers.

The results reported on election night are not official, and usually will change some by the end of the canvass (where everything is reconciled).

Then the results would be official.

Many voters don't realize that the results on election night are not complete.

But these are ridiculously wrong.

The error is reputed to have occurred when the precinct totals were transferred to the county office to get the full totals.

Look for some crazy election results in Ohio and Texas.

Cuyahoga County Ohio is wide open for fraud, the well meaning SOS has set it up that the votes aren't counted at the polling places, but will be transported mid day and at the end of the day to the county office to be counted.

No telling what will happen to the votes while in transit, eh?

Bexar County Texas is another one to keep an eye on.

I have a question about the TPM homepage.

Why has TPM given John McCain's minor debating point with Senator Obama such a prominent and large display for the past two days, and a lot more timely news items that have been covered since have been relegated to smaller less prominent displays, and taken down much more rapidly.

What is so important about what John McCain's little petty ploy, because he mismanaged his own campaign war chest, that makes TPM feel that we need to see a large picture of John McCain, and read all about his crooked talk expression for two consecutive days?

Where are you guys getting this "NY state uses lever machines" mumbo jumbo?

I live in NY state and we haven't used those for a few years now. When I asked why not, I was told by the head of the Board of Elections that they couldn't use them anymore even if they wanted to, because of a.)HAVA and b.) you can't get parts for them anymore when they break.

Regardless of whether of not either of those statements is true, the fact of the matter is quite true that we use computer voting here in my precinct and I am a poll watcher.

Read the article...
"City election officials said they were convinced that there was nothing sinister to account for the inaccurate initial counts, and The Times’s review found a handful of election districts in the city where Mrs. Clinton received zero votes in the initial results."

We live in New York and voted a paper ballot. None of the machines in our area were said to be working.

I haven't checked to see if they counted our votes since they were for Obama.

Best, Terry

Unfortunate pose, for sure. :-)

I'm going to just go with the idea that these mistakes are just mistakes. That said, I would really like the next president to set up a voting commission (and, no, GWB, I don't mean a commission to keep black people from voting. I know it's confusing.) But since one person one vote is supposed to be rather fundamental, do you think maybe we could try to do this right?

just curious, how is fraud discouraged wrt absentee ballots? could the same ideas be applied to casting votes over the internet?

this is EXCELLENT NEWS FOR HILLARY!!

The NY dem site has had actual numbers under Obama's name in all 52 counties of NY. Apparently they are not happy they only won one 1 county to her 51.

Obama didnt campaign in this area of the state. Not sure what part of the state he might have been in. No commercials, no phone calls, no literature. NO NOTHING. So how many New Yorkers did Obama want to vote for him ?

I am a democrat, and I dont think the party itself wants a repeat of 1968. So I will pay attention to Senator Obama when the need arises. Right now I dont have the need.

Many have pointed out that we use WWII era lever machines.

30 years ago when my eyes were sharp and young [but the machines were still as old as the hills], I had a hard time reading the counts on the back as a poll watcher for Kennedy in the primary. The average age of the folks manning the polling places is 80 -- it's no wonder there are mistakes in the count.

Also the mistake might not be obvious because they're reading the numbers by column, without the candidate name attached. And it wasn't a simple two column election because we also cast votes for delegate slates ... so they had 14 or so numbers to read off, with no names attached. It wouldn't be clear until later that the results made no sense.

In any case, the official count is done later, so it's all being corrected.

Obama fans revel in telling us how out of touch and incompetent the HRC campaign has proven itself.
How am I to reconcile that with their parallel narrative which paints her as a veritable Eye of Sauron capable of "stealing" the nomination from the endlessly wise and clever and above all competent Obama team?

Pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate.
The discrepancies between machine counts and the provisional precinct results are neither unusual nor do they favor only HRC.
These things always occur in voting systems and are being corrected in the official count.
Fraud can only be called when significant discrepancies are found AFTER the official count is recorded.
Can we please remember that before we go about accusing the other side of felonies?

ThompsonLives:

Yes, the lefties on here aren't blaming the Clintons, accusing them of criminal behavior, for this NYC voting snafu without one shred of evidence.

Mrs. Rezko didn't purchase the property next door to Obama's as a favor to them.

Obama wasn't merely pandering to progressiver-than-thous by "promising" to accept public financing for the GE if he and McCain were the nominees.

I stand corrected by another in you string of insightful posts aimed at being irritating without substance. Mission Accomplished.

BTW - I have no skin in the game, so I'm not "flailing desperately." as you put it. I just think that she'd make a better president than he will if he's elected (and I will proudly work to make sure he is elected if he's the nominee).

Ask the senator from Illinois to define "clout." Ask someone who ran as a no-politics-as-usual, outside Washington candidate, Jimmy Carter, how it all worked for him.

You starry-eyed pollyannas all underestimate the brick wall Obama is going to run into and will be very disappointed in 2012 when there is virtually zero change in politics-as-usual.

Hey Frank, when giving a speech it's best to give a good speech not a laundry list of supposed achievements and a wish list for the future. When answering questions from an audience it's best to answer real people with real concerns who are picked at random not campaign plants throwing softballs on the topic you'd like to emphasize today.

Your bio on your webpage ought to mention that you spent one year after college working for the Children's Defense Fund and 15 years as a corporate lawyer billing hundreds of dollars an hour to defend corporations against the likes of John Edwards, not make it sound like the other way around. Hill's career zoomed up the ranks as her husband's political career not so coincidentally rose. Talk about sucking exhaust.

I'd rather have the guy who is running on his record than the gal who is running on her husband's, except where of course she isn't (I was always against NAFTA I just couldn't tell anyone!).

liam:

You wouldn't (and shouldn't) tolerate it if some racist azzhole claimed that the only reason Obama got where he is today is because of affirmative action.

So why is it supposed to be tolerable when some sexist azzhole claims that the only reason Senator Clinton is where she is today is because of the accomplishments of the man she is married to?

Not that it should even have to be said, but Hillary Rodham was on just as impressive a course as Obama took later before she ever met Bill Clinton. And Bill has always acknowleged her cosdiderable accomplishments in law and politics in his words and actions, and he never failed to point out her key contributions to HIS success.

Of course, he's not a sexist azzhole.

Michael A.

Don't know the message of the day for us Hillbots, but I do know have the message of the campaign for the tiny contingent of irrational Clinton-haters on here (see liam et al):

Unlike our own Saintly One who would never say or do just anything to get elected (like promise Senator McCain he would opt for public election financing together for the GE if they were both candidates, etc.) - the Clintons are lying cheaters who fixed the elections in New Hampshire and New York.

A shred of evidence? We don't need no stinking shreds of evidence. We just know it in our Chertoffian gut.

Colonpowwow says he has no skin in this game. Really, colon? Pretty much every post I've ever read of yours suggests otherwise.

Up next on Meme Of The Day: HillaryClinton08 says, "I have no dog in this hunt, but I hear Obama molests collies."

Chicago Tribune has a report on it's website that Hillery pulled another one of her welling up with tears and emotion stunts this morning at a small gathering in Wisconsin.

Same MO as her previous two timely stunts. She calls on a woman in the audience, the woman lobs her a softball about how she can not pay her mortgage, and is losing her home. While everyone was looking at the woman, Hillery probably pulled another nose hair to fill her eyes with tears.

Gets this: Hillery ask the group that she is addressing if any of them can find shelter for the woman and her family. How about that folks. Hillery at her finest providing 21st Century Solutions Business: She told the people one of you guys do something. Bold hands on leadership indeed.

One other thing, after she had milked the moment, she actually said to the woman, "I'm glad that you put up your hand".

Hillery was glad about hearing the woman's tale of woe, and being able to play her emotional card, and then told the locals, this is a problem that you folks should try solve.

Experienced hands on leadership, My Arse.

Chicago Tribune latest update on Hillery in Wisconsin.

She is bailing out of the State ahead of what was planned.

Hillary Clinton campaign 'under the weather'

By Rick Pearson and Glenn Thrush

MILWAUKEE—Democratic presidential contender Hillary Clinton, already having trimmed her Wisconsin campaign schedule in advance of the state’s Tuesday primary, now finds the weather a further obstacle on her last full day of campaigning in the Badger State.

A planned trip to Green Bay was canceled early today as weather forecasters looked at rain and freezing rain turning to snow later as well as winter weather advisories and warnings covering the area from Madison southward.

Clinton’s campaign had originally planned four days in Wisconsin to try to challenge rival Barack Obama on the ever-so-crucial delegate count, but viewed the possibility of winning the state as an upset. But the campaign cancelled Tuesday, primary day, in the state and is now looking at leaving Monday with the possibility of heading to Texas or Ohio, where she needs victories in the two delegate rich states that hold primaries on March 4.

Clinton has been taking a hit locally for running a campaign from afar, using TV ads to criticize Obama in advance of her arrival in the state on Saturday. Clinton and Obama made separate appearances before a state Democratic fundraiser in Milwaukee last night and the greeting she received was markedly cooler than the one Obama got.

As for Sunday, the Clinton campaign is re-examining its plans for other stops. She is supposed to visit Wausau and Madison before returning to Milwaukee but aides say the weather—which would have made an easy excuse for them to exit the state—has thrown the schedule up in the air.

Obama’s campaign, also citing weather conditions, scrubbed an appearance in Kaukauna. But unlike Clinton, Obama has been a regular visitor to the state.

To all you Obamaites:

Aren't you supporting the guy who is supposed to be "transcendent", and above all the dirty partisanship and bad feelings.

Why are so many of the Obamaites so bitter and mistrusting? You need to think about your behavior.

Hi Erik

The story is really irrelevant at this point. To me, in reality, it's just a ploy on your part to put some anti-clinton information out to maintain an appearance of neutrality.

Of course the Clintons, along with the Rockefellers and all the other corporations out there are attemping to steal the election, and this article only substantiates that. Well, that's the way I see it.

So in this article, rather than suggesting anyone cheated, you report irregularities that at this point have very little effect considering the NY primary has long passed. According to this article, it must have been a "mistake."

So it's a story that's not flattering to the Clinton's, but it's sort of neutral. In fact, the story may be perceived as favorable to the Clinton's in that it reminds of her "victory" in the state. The reality again is that she hasn't won since.

Get real, get neutral, get serious.

CNN reporting that JE and BO met this afternoon

123 comments, and no one mentions that the link in the original post has an extra "http" in it? How many of you folks tried to read the actual article?

Hmmmmm.

It MAY have gone Clinton's way -- she is missing some votes too. Just problems in general IMO.