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New Hillary Mailer: "American Families Can't Afford Barack Obama"

Hillary drops a mailer in Ohio -- forwarded to us by a reader -- that attacks Obama on energy.

In a state where Hillary is working hard to stave off Obama's inroads among her working class base, and arguing that she's the true enemy of the special interests, the mailer references the contributions he's taken from "energy company employees" and warns: "American families can't afford Barack Obama."

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The Obama campaign points to this chart over at OpenSecrets.org, which says that Hillary's taken more than Obama in energy industry donations, and emails over this response:

Yesterday, Ohioans received yet another negative mailing from Senator Clinton making false and increasingly desperate attacks against Senator Obama – despite Senator Clinton’s many protests against misleading voters. Once again, Senator Clinton’s attacks are false and they mask her own record of taking money from oil company lobbyists while voting against investments in renewable energy.

Senator Clinton knows that Governor Strickland joined Barack Obama and many Democrats in supporting the Energy Policy Act, which took important steps to set our nation on a path to energy independence by making unprecedented investments in renewable energy.



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Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, I am laughing my a** off. And how much has the clintons gotten from lobbyists? 500k is small potatoes compared to the clintons' haul. Too funny. How can they put stuff out like this with a straight face? They are a bunch of comedians.

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I'm waiting to hear from the Clinton campaign how this is also a positive ad.

i'm wondering when Hillary Clinton morphed into John Edwards? since when is she such a rampant populist? after she's pushed NAFTA and accepted all the campaign contributions possible from the big lobbies?

it would be funny if it weren't frighteningly schizophrenic.

Is she seriously trying to blame Obama for high gas prices? I think she failed to mention two things:

1) The reason he voted for that bill was because it had big subsidies for renewable energy, which will actually bring down gas prices in the end, and

2) The #1 increaser of gas prices was....THE IRAQ WAR!!! So no, thank YOU Hillary Clinton!!

Fair enough. I guess we will see how effective this is. I am not sure that folks in OH are really so unsophisticated as to believe that the 2005 energy bill (as opposed to growing demand in China & India, or supply disruptions engendered by the instability in the middle east which has resulted from the invasion of Iraq) is really the reason for higher fuel prices.

/start craggy old bird woman voice

SHAME ON YOU, HILLARY CLINTON!

/stop craggy old bird woman voice

They know what to target. Heating bills are astronomical here.

Same here. It is hardly unique to OH.

Here in SC the bills are also pretty high.
Gas isn't quite $3 a gallon yet but natural gas is booming.
Blaming Obama for the price of gas seems pretty stupid. If not for Iraq and the Chavez BS with Exxon would oil be $100+ a barrel?

I do think energy is one of Obama's weakest policy areas - his stance on nuclear power, for example, is very disappointing. I suppose he has to take a centrist position so he doesn't appear too radical.

I just hope he acts a little more green once he gets into office.

But Hillary claims he is too Green to let him answer a phone call in the middle of the night.

Nuclear power isn't a simple black/white issue anymore. Some environmental groups remain militantly, one might even say dogmatically, against it, while others have decided that if the choice is between a new coal plant and a new nuclear plant (and I realize that's not a simple yes/no issue either), nuclear is less bad.

I, for one, have moved from opposition to kind of queasy ambivalence. I'd even be inclined to go from queasy ambivilance to tepid support if not for the consistant pattern of utilities cutting corners that shouldn't be cut in construction and making clearly bad siting decisions back in the days when they were still building the damn things.

I agree. I believe a research team over at MIT or somewhere like that found that there is no way we will be able to cut our CO2 emissions enough with just traditional renewable energy, they found that nuclear power would have to enter into the mix somewhere if we were serious about global warming. I'm no cheerleader for nuclear power, but I think you are right that it isn't necessarily bad that Obama is keeping an open mind about it (he is no cheerleader either, he has said he would consider nuclear power, but it would have to be safe and studied more).

From the information I've seen, if you are both against nuclear power, and for fighting against global warming, then you're contradicting yourself.

On the calender on the right.
BO in San Antonio @ 10AM
BO in Houston @ 11AM

I bet his teleportation device burns thru a bunch of energy.

Penn + Wolfson = Rove

Hillary = GW

JFC! What planet are we on?

It says that employees of energy companies donated $650,000.00 to Senator Obama's campaign.

Wow. Now that is very scary. You really have to worry when a Candidate is accepting campaign contributions form Gas Station Attendants, and Power Meter Readers.I sure hope he did not accept any contributions from gasoline delivery drivers, or pipeline workers. He will be really in trouble if has accepted small donations from power plant workers or security personnel.

That kind of behavior is unacceptable. He should learn from his far more experienced opponent, and just stick to taking large donations from Washington based Corporate Lobbyists.

Energy Company Employees? Really?

we can also thank mrs. clinton for voting for the energy bill too, can't we?
http://www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_member.php?cs_id=13971

From the Center for responsive politics:

This is beautiful, Hillary is somehow impervious from accepting twice as much as Obama from the Oil industry?


Oil & Gas:
Top 20 Recipients

Election cycle: 2008 List Top 20: All Recipients Presidential Candidates Senators Members of the House Senate Candidates House Candidates All Members of Congress
Rank
Candidate
Office
Amount

1
Giuliani, Rudolph W (R)
Pres
$640,158

2
Romney, Mitt (R)
Pres
$389,163

3
Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Senate
$278,830

4
Clinton, Hillary (D)
Pres
$267,650

5
McCain, John (R)
Pres
$234,485

6
Richardson, Bill (D)
Pres
$199,275

7
Thompson, Fred (R)
Pres
$161,754

8
Domenici, Pete V (R-NM)
Senate
$152,750

9
Inhofe, James M (R-OK)
Senate
$141,500

10
Obama, Barack (D)
Pres
$133,090

11
McConnell, Mitch (R-KY)
Senate
$122,050

12
Landrieu, Mary L (D-LA)
Senate
$90,650

13
Roberts, Pat (R-KS)
Senate
$89,550

14
Paul, Ron (R-TX)
House
$88,154

15
Pearce, Steve (R-NM)
Senate
$77,500

16
Barton, Joe (R-TX)
House
$76,741

17
Boren, Dan (D-OK)
House
$74,200

18
Pryor, Mark (D-AR)
Senate
$70,700

19
Conaway, Mike (R-TX)
House
$70,350

20
Dole, Elizabeth (R-NC)
Senate
$65,800

It's about time she hit him hard on this. His vote for the 2005 Energy Bill was one of his worst "judgments" by far. This bill has caused unmeasurable damage to the environment.

So you say that it is "unmeasurable damage" That means that it has caused no measurable damage. Good to know.

You can't be serious, right? Of all the delusional thoughts I've seen from people on here, this one has to take the cake.

It was a bad vote, and most Obama supporters acknowledge that.

Some provisions:

Provides incentives to companies drilling for oil in the Gulf of Mexico;

Nuclear-specific provisions:

Authorizes cost-overrun support of up to $2 billion total for up to six new nuclear power plants;
Authorizes a production tax credit of up to $125 million total per year, estimated at 1.8 US¢/kWh during the first eight years of operation for the first 6.000 MW of capacity[3] ; consistent with renewables;
Authorizes $1.25 billion for the Department of Energy to build a nuclear reactor to generate both electricity and hydrogen;
Allows nuclear plant employees and certain contractors to carry firearms;

Criticisms:
The Washington Post contended that the spending bill is a broad collection of subsidies for United States energy companies; in particular, the nuclear and oil industries.[8]
Texas companies in particular benefit from the bill. This criticism is heightened by the fact that President George W. Bush, the House Majority Leader (Tom DeLay), and the Chairman of the House Energy & Commerce Committee (Joe Barton) were all from Texas. The fact that the bill passed 66-29 with wide support from Democrats for the bill has not calmed this criticism.
A Philadelphia Inquirer editorial on July 28, 2005, suggested Congress had a "let's pass it and claim we did something" attitude.
Supporters of the bill concede that the bill will do little to lower oil prices immediately, and that any changes the bill has enacted will not happen overnight.
Speaking for the National Republicans for Environmental Protection Association, President Martha Marks said that the organization was disappointed in the bill: it did not give enough of a short to conservation, and continued to subsidize the well-established oil and gas industries that don't require subsidizing.[9]

Sure, it was a bad bill and I agree that Obama's voting for it is a mark against him in my book. That said, surely you can agree that this mailer is not making the argument that you are here advancing. You are objecting to the 2005 energy bill's effects on the environment. This mailer is about its effects on fuel prices. The two are completely different (indeed, given that higher fuel prices serve to encourage conservation, the arguments advanced in this mailer are themselves somewhat anti-environmental). As such, I am not sure that the argument which you are advancing especially serves to advance the Clinton talking points here.

The subsidy claims are true. The American family loses out when we give more tax breaks to companies making record-breaking profits. The continued dependence on foreign oil claim is true. Which weakens our fight on terror abroad, further harming the American family. As far as gas prices...?

Right, I agree. Nothing in there is untrue. You are missing my point. This mailer, factually accurate though it might be, is not about the awful environmental implications of the energy bill. It is about the cost of gasoline. "American families cannot afford Barack Obama" (with a picture of a gas station price board) is not about the environment. It is about how much fuel prices are increasing. Environmental voters (and I count myself in this category) should be cheering on rising energy prices. Most first world nations deliberately make energy prices much higher than we have traditionally done here, precisely in order to discourage wasteful consumption. Higher fuel prices are the one really effective incentive to encourage conservation. Clinton's mailer is arguing, however, that energy prices ought to be lower and would be if that scoundrel Barack Obama had not voted for the 2005 energy bill.

Do you see how your argument (to which I am completely sympathetic) is largely at odds with the actual argument which Clinton is making in this mailer?

I see what you're getting at, but if you see it like I do, you see the gas pump prices as representative of record oil industry profits. Higher prices=higher profits. Tack that onto the subsidies provided in this bill, and I see a very strong argument for why American families couldn't afford that vote.

Well, I would quibble that higher prices do not necessarily imply higher profits, but that is really beside the point.

Well, yeah, it doesn't always imply it, but most Americans know our gas prices have gone up while the oil industry has broken all profit records. So that's what I read into it.

Fine and fair, as far as it goes. What I have been at pains to convey (and what I will presently re-iterate, if you will forgive the redundancy) is that the mailer's argument (which is, all of a sudden, your own argument) is rather in tension with the argument which you were advancing not but an hour ago. Your earlier argument centered on the deleterious effects of the bill on the environment. Your present argument now centers on its effects on energy prices. Low energy prices, however, are bad for the environment (or at least low fossil fuel prices are). You are not really being consistent, as such. I can agree with you that Obama's vote for the bill was a bad vote, but I cannot agree with the reasoning by which you arrive at that conclusion (or at least with one of your two mutually exclusive lines of reasoning).

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On HR6:


NY Jr Sen. Hillary Clinton Democratic Y

The JR. Senator from NY seems to have used her judgment to come to the exact same conclusion.

No, she's referring to the 2005 bill aka the Dick Cheney Energy Bill, which she voted against.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00213

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My mistake.

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And her 2006 vote for offshore drilling (which he opposed) was, IMO, worse. Neither candidate is spotless when it comes to the environment, but luckily both score pretty well (he a 96 and she a 90) from the league of conservation voters (i.e., they're both a lot better than McCain.)

How many times are you going to post this Ben? The 2005 Energy Bill INCLUDED a provision that "Provides incentives to companies drilling for oil in the Gulf of Mexico."

So, how can you argue that her vote for offshore drilling was worse when he, in effect, voted for offshore drilling as well? On top of the other disastrous policies in this 2005 bill?

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I suppose I'll post it as many times as you post the thing about the 2005 bill. Is that OK? :)

Let's be honest about the 2005 bill: as with most bills, there was some good mixed in with the bad. It was, on the whole, a bad bill. However, I feel that the 2006 bill was, on average, a worse bill (fewer good things).

Both Clinton's and Obama's career include more than just that one bill from 2005. When you look at their entire lifetime career, the league of conservation voters think (and I agree) that Obama has done better with respect to the environment.

Sorry for that snipe about posting it again. I get heated on this because I truly believe Sen. Clinton's history on this is better. I know you point to the league's scores, but from what I understand, it doesn't weigh the impact of each bill, which would be very difficult to do. But most environmentalists agree that the 2005 bill was the height of insanity.

Add to the scores, her campaign's remaining carbon neutral, while Obama's has only offset some costs, and I see her as the clear winner on this one.

I know you don't. Agree to disagree?

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Agreed. To disagree, that is. :)

"... her campaign's remaining carbon neutral ..."

Oh please! Carbon offsets are a scam to make poseurs feel good:

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080110-investigating-carbon-offsets-the-real-deal-or-greenwashing.html

http://www.corporatewatch.org.uk/?lid=2069

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0110/p13s02-sten.html

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2007-03-02-offsets-usat_x.htm

It's exactly the sort of useless hype that I've sadly come to expect from Clinton and her campaign.

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Oh, Got im Himmel! This is frikkin' unbelievable.

Question for all:

If Hillary loses the nomination, who will she endorse--Obama or McCain?

I guess they chose today to throw the Kitchen Sink just like New Times predicted. I predict they will drop out March 04th, 2008 and claim they did everything they could to their supporters.

Hillary will do or say anything to get elected.

i wish Americans would grow up and wake up about the feasibility of nuclear power. if we want to solve our immediate energy needs as efficiently as possible, the only real course is nuclear. this isn't my view, this is the view of environmental and energy scientists. there have been numerous articles in publications like Scientific American, Science, and Popular Mechanics (obviously biased by lobbyist groups!) about the possibilities of nuclear power serving as a stepping stone to true renewables while those technologies are in stages that aren't capable of mass production and/or distribution.

Obama is ahead of the curve on this one, and at the very least its a debate we should be having, rather than demagoguing the issue into loggerheads on the extremely important question of how to reduce or alleviate global warming.

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I've been opposed to nuclear power for a long, long time, but when you really look at the available, viable options, there aren't many. I've come to the grudging conclusion that nuclear, for all of its drawbacks, isn't the worst way to go. It sure beats the hell out of coal.

I wish more people thought like you. Unless you're against electricity itself, being against nuclear is practically being for fossil fuels. (There is at least 1 generation of power plants between now and when solar is expected to be scale up to be a primary energy source.)

I don't understand, however, why in America there is so much anti-nuclear energy sentiment. I'm too young to have been shaped by the Cold War, so I wonder if it's because of decades of politicians playing the fear card. Isn't the word nuclear scary?

All this probably won't matter though, because it seems like that by the time we start challenging fossil fuels on a meaningful scale, it'll be solar time.

I'm not absolutely opposed to considering nuclear power but before we get into thinking about what mix of energy sources we'll move towards we need to do some hard work at conservation. People want it to be nice and sweet and easy. We'll do solar, we'll do windmills, we'll build a few nuclear plants. Not going to work, no way, no how. We better get damn serious about cutting way back on how much energy we use. But no one wants to give Americans the hard truth.

Reducing the energy we use, and changing our energy-use behavior, are different issues.

I think it's most effective to go the path of least resistance. Efficiency stuff first, requiring only for people to make one-time actions (changing light bulbs, etc). All this would be easier though if the cost of pollution was monetized, and pricing schemes invite participation for stuff with higher front-end cost. When you translate all this stuff into money and people see the dollars, we'll have people moving in the right direction heh.

Good people of Texas and Ohio please do the country and the Clintons a favor on Tuesday and put her campaign out of its misery.

Hillary's Campaign has become really desperate.

I love it.... Hillary is really starting to fight back against obama.... about time....

Its time to start throwing those attacks against him....

Its time to start showing america who they really are voting for.


GO HILLARY!!!

Lets get this thing on the road.....show that we can win, show that you can fight not only obama but John Mcain as well.....:)

New Polls tonight :

Texas

Obama is leading by 3% according to Fox News

Ohio

Clinton is leading by 8% according to Fox News

Its funny Obama has won 11 staright wins and yet the race is this close in Texas and Ohio..... shows that the democrates aren't sure who they want to have as president.

Hillary raised 35 million this month and today is not over........ hillary supporters keep giving... lets try to reach 40 million before Feb. is over.

I almost gave up on Hillary but i feel change in the air:)

Its funny Obama has won 11 staright wins and yet the race is this close in Texas and Ohio..... shows that the democrates aren't sure who they want to have as president.

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it's like you're a crazy person. do you just have a feed right from Mark Penn's war room into your ear?

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Heh... :o)

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Change is most definitely in the air. A month ago, Hillary was WAY ahead in both states. By March 4 she'll be way behind.

I like that the Clinton campaign argument has morphed from "The hell with those little february primaries, wait until 'til Texas and Ohio" to "If they don't cream us in Texas and Ohio, that sure is pathetic."

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Those are Mark Penn's lies you are parroting

Go ask him and Bill what is the meaning of "is" and then come back and tell us because we don't know.

I have to disagree. I don't love the idea of nuclear power, but the cold, hard fact is that it is nowhere near as environmentally destructive as any other current energy source. We should research "truly" green alternatives as urgently as possible, but until they're ready for wide-scale use, we could have a Chernobyl once a year and leave all the waste exposed in the Mojave and still do less damage, both to the biosphere as a whole and to human health directly, than oil, coal, and natural gas. By many orders of magnitude.

And there's only been one Chernobyl in 50+ years of commercial nuclear power generation, so the reality is even more stark. More people die in the US in one year from bronchial diseases and cancer related to oil and coal than are likely to ever die from the commercial production of nuclear power from now until the end of time. It's just a fact.

RE: Nuclear power


I think the biggest issue the US has is it treats nuclear power just like it does Diesel technology. While huge advances have been made in nuclear safety and relaiability we still have the same old plants which is tantamount to complaining about "dirty smelly diesel" even though low sulfur diesel has been out for years.


If we'd ditch our perceptions and gut feelings and actually explore new technology I bet we'd be suprised with the results...

So which one of you pro nuclear folk want that nuclear power plant within a mile---or even 30 miles of your home?

Not me!

Me, Right Here.

Build them in my backyard. Especially if that means getting rid of the Mobile Refinery that's a few miles West of me.

Even if we have to keep the refinery though, I have no problem with a Nuclear reactor near me.

So if you do a little research on the web you can learn about the new design of nuclear power plants developed at MIT that encases the nuclear material in graphite balls and makes "meltdown" impossible.

This massively reduces the risk of the plant itself. True, you have to find a place to store waste, but that waste is also considerably safer because of teh graphite ball technology.

Look this up and think about it. Either you think nuclear is categorically unviable (maybe that is an oxymoron since it's possible to be categorically against without having to think)or you accept that technology can change. The MIT technology is a major advance.

I would literally volunteer to put it in my backyard (if I had one).

I swear this has become cooties for adults. Clear sunny days are more of a threat.

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Nuclear is the only way left. How long will it take people to realize it?

Renewables (except for a large -- but hardly dominant -- role for solar, wind, geothermal, and hydro) are not really viable for the long term, either, because our energy needs are outstripping the planet's capacity. (See the latest news on biofuels.)

The Clintons don't agree with Rovian tactics... Except when they do.

Maybe they can meet in Ohio and debate her campaign tactics.

Whatever...

We now pause with a quick break from the sewer politics of the Clinton campaign.

Will.i.am is back. It's kind of like a nice warm shower amidst all the Clinton filth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghSJsEVf0pU

Apply. Rinse. Re-apply.

Thanks, Will.i.am.

Ehhh, I'm gonna have to say I don't like that one as much.

Maybe it's the constant Obama chanting, or the liberal use of celebrities, but it certainly did not move me the way the first video did.

Or maybe I'm just getting over-Obamafied. ;)

You're right, this one isn't as good. What I liked about the first one is the way that it used Obama's speech.

This one...a little too much chanting of his name. And a little more creepy. The first one was a little creepy, in the same way that any fashion/celebrity magazine is a little creepy. I mean In Style makes its money from the idea that its readers want a voyeuristic glimpse into the lives of celebrities, complete with a guide of where to buy the same towels as Jennifer Garner, for instance. So, the celebrities in the video, while I think honestly voicing their support, are also provided us a glimpse in. The second video just did too much of that.

Amen. I saw that today over at DailyKos and a tear welled up in my eye. After all of the crap coming out of Camp Hillary today, it was refreshing to remind myself that her hours are numbered, after March she'll be nothing but the microphone-addicted junior Senator from NY.

Ahh. A President for us. That's change I can believe in.

Obama got another endorsement today too. It's the third video down, good stuff. I think we should listen to his wise words

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/29/155558/168/352/466445

Clinton campaign: Obama must answer for Rezko
by Rick Pearson

FORT WORTH, Texas — Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign says rival Barack Obama has a lot of questions to answer about his relationship with indicted Chicago political insider Antoin “Tony” Rezko, whose federal corruption trial is scheduled to start the day before critical primaries in Texas and Ohio.

Howard Wolfson, Clinton’s chief spokesman, also told reporters today that if Obama doesn’t sweep the primaries on Tuesday, it will show that Democrats want the contest to continue. The answer belies earlier statements from top Clinton aides that she needs to win delegate-rich Texas and Ohio to stay in the race.

Rezko, a real estate developer and fundraiser for several politicians, including Obama, Gov. Rod Blagojevich and the late Cook County Board President John Stroger, goes on trial Monday on charges he used his connections to allegedly further a scheme that involved kickbacks in exchange for contracts that were pocketed or paid to others to make contributions to politicians, including Obama.

Both Obama, Illinois’ first-term senator, and Blagojevich, the state’s two-term governor whose self-styled reform administration has been beset by a multitude of federal investigations, have not been charged with any wrongdoing. Obama’s campaign has donated to charity more than $150,000 in allegedly tainted donations.

Wolfson, trying to meld the roles of campaign spinmeister and federal prosecutor, said “question after question after question after question has neither been posed or answered in any serious way by Barack Obama” about his relationship with Rezko.

“Now the (Rezko) trial is beginning and I think it will be more difficult for him to avoid these very serious questions,” Wolfson said.


“What is the nature of the relationship? How many fundraisers were held? How much money was raised? How many meetings were attended? What was said at those meetings? Did Tony Rezko attempt to get jobs for Obama allies?” Wolfson asked.


Wolfson said the Clinton campaign was as forthcoming as possible about disputed donations connected to fundraiser Norman Hsu, who was sentenced in early January to three years in prison after a judge refused to throw out a 1992 no-contest plea to fraud.


“I can guarantee you that if the shoe were on the other foot, so to speak, no pun intended, I would have been getting those questions left and right and having to come up with answers that were satisfactory to a very serious and dogged press corps,” Wolfson said.


In the government’s case against Rezko, prosecutors allege kickback payments were diverted to others to make campaign contributions to Obama’s 2004 Senate campaign because Rezko had already made the maximum federal contribution. Obama is not named in the government’s document but his campaign has not disputed that Obama is the politician who received the money from Rezko allies, something backed up by campaign disclosure records. Money linked to the straw donations has already been contributed to charity, Obama aides said.


Clinton campaign officials also denied any threatened legal action against Texas Democratic officials over the rules for Tuesday’s post-primary caucuses, when about 30 percent of the state’s convention delegates are chosen. Texas officials said Clinton officials had several questions about procedures for the caucuses and said they felt that a lawsuit might be threatened. Clinton aides said they wanted the rules in writing.


With the Clinton campaign facing what had been considered must-win victories in both Texas and Ohio on Tuesday, her aides sought to deflect the pressure to the Obama camp, which has won 11 consecutive nominating contests.


“Sen. Obama has every advantage coming into Texas and Ohio,” Wolfson said, adding that if he is unable to win those states along with Rhode Island and Vermont who are also holding contests that day, “it sends a very clear signal that Democrats want this campaign to continue and there is some concern and dissatisfaction with Sen. Obama’s campaign.”


Clinton has been holding a slight lead in Ohio, while the two have been neck-and-neck in Texas, according to recent polling.


Posted by Mark Silva on February 29, 2008 1:30 PM

I have to really say that i hope the news start talking alot about this between know and voting day and i'm glad that the trail will begin the day before:) I hope this helps hillary clinton:)

Fair enough. You are entitled to your hope. That said, the Clinton campaign has been flogging the Rezko story for months now, to little effect. It seems like futility itself to hope that one more flogging will do the trick.

Do you have any details to tell us about the crook who raised millions for Hillary, and was taken off a train, as a wanted fugitive. Anything at all about that chap to report. Come on now come clean about Hillary's big backer who puts Rezko to shame when it comes to corrupt practices.

You sure went silent for a long time after the Wisconsin results rolled in. You were doing a lot of crowing about how Hillary was going to do then also. You even posted a list of former small time local pols. in Wisconsin who were supporting Hillary. How did that work out for you.

By the way, have you being receiving your paycheck from them, because a number of small businesses in Iowa etc are now suing Hillary for not paying them for services rendered.

With all of these attack ads, has Hillary starting taking campaign advice from Mitt Romney?

The coincidences don't stop there, both lent their own money to their campaigns and neither really resonated with the people once they started to actually campaign in-state.

Hillary '08
I'll hold my breath until I get my way!

Coal vs. nuclear is a straw man. A better way to look at it is Amory Lovins' "Mighty Mice" paper - https://www.rmi.org/images/PDFs/Energy/E05-15_MightyMice.pdf

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You should note that natural gas is part of the mighty mouse.

The hyper-sensitivity of Obama and his supporters to any policy discussions that involve criticism of Obama's posiitions is telling. I wonder if they consider Obama's attacks on Clinton's record "negative campaigning" as well. Moreover, this mailer hardly "masks" Clinton's acceptance of donations from the oil industry; everyone knows they exist. This mailer merely educates people that Obama is no different in his acceptance of money from the oil and gas industry, and supported the Energy Bill.

I encourage people to stop using all capital letters, and tone down the venomous language toward Clinton and her supporters: "desperate,"
"crazy person," "do or say anything," "Hillary = GW," "schizophrenic," "craggy old bird woman." These are improper, and Obama supporters would not stand for similar pejorative statements about and ad hominem attacks against their candidate.

A note:

I donated to the Obama campaign, and I know that you must list your company and position. Thus, unless the person giving the donation is unemployed, every individual donor is an employee somewhere. This is a disingenuous attack on that front, for sure. It preys on people who either don't go to "opensecrets.org" or don't know how to parse the data.

I've never seen a bunch of more naive views.

In 2 years, everyone will be pining for the days of $4/gal gasoline.

Here's the fact: there *are no* alternative energy sources to sustain our present mode of life.

In WWII, Germans, desperate for sources of fuel, stripped whole forests of trees. Given the choice, we will do the same. The environmental movement is one born of wealthy and luxury in this country. I say this as someone who studies the environment. The only real way to save the environment is to stop having children. Unfortunately that would end our exponential grow in consuming goods as well - not to mention, go against programmed biological urges.

What happens when there isn't enough oil to drive industry, much less be used as inputs to the ag and pharma industries, will be the sole preoccupation of the next president by 2011. Be very afraid when the petro-dollar concept dies, because that will send the economy into a ruinous state where greenbacks are worthless and we've reduced ourselves to importing everything, because we have outsourced everything.

I'm sorry this is apocalyptic, but it's becoming more and more of a reality every day.

We are already there. Continued global economic growth is based on a Pyramid Scheme where more and more consumers must consume more and more. We are torching our home, The Planet. No one can stop it.

We keep giving out prizes, such as the Nobel, to those who keep drawing attention to the fact that our home is on fire, but no Firemen have been awarded any prizes for actually fighting the fire and suppressing it because none have, or will. The arsonists have sold the masses on the glory of the flames that are engulfing them.

The election of a female president of the United States must have been long overdue. And Mrs. Hillary Clinton is the best-qualified, female candidate in the U.S. history until now.

Other countries such as Germany, Great Britain and even less-developed countries, such as India, Pakistan, the Philippines, etc... have already elected some of their women as government heads, but the longest democracy like the United States is still uneasy about whether to elect a woman as President!!

Shame on you America!

I too was besieged by high gas and heating bills. One phone call to Hillary and its fixed. All my energy needs are free now, and to top it off she arranged to have the CEO of Exxon-Mobil come over every week and wash my car. She's a miracle worker.

What a hypocrite! She's taken more donations from Energy company employees and yet puts out this flier. Unbelievable! I hope the MSM picks up on this - this is as phony as her plagiarism claims.

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Please....this is a discussion site. Hillary Camp screaming Rezko will not make it anymore true than the first million times you screamed it.

Of course, if you would like to go the guilt by association route, I've got a great peter paul video to show you. I don't believe that one either, but that actually has Hillary cavorting with criminals on tape.

Still want to talk about corruption?

I don't subscribe to the "Dems are divided" argument. Let's face it: Hillary has been riding on Bill's coattails, big time. Without ever having to have set foot or spend a single dollar in any state, her name recognition was 100%, and her positive regard, again due to Bill's tenure, was probably about 70% with Dems, if not more. So that's the STARTING POINT for her campaign. Who else could have run a campaign like hers and still be so high in the polls? This is what Obama has been working against, and in a risk-averse culture (such as Ohio, a more moderate state hit hard by NAFTA), it is no wonder she is polling so high. But consider that Obama is all but entirely NEW to the national scene, that hardly anyone outside of political junkies probably even knew who he was, really, before 2 months ago. So he's more or less matching HRC's polling numbers with all of this going against him (and never mind that he is of mixed race, a first in a POTUS candidate going this far)? And HRC's campaign is resorting to every last dirty trick to mislead and scare voters, who, after all, CAN BE MISLEAD to some degree? And, the more people hear and see Obama, the better he does... I think if there were really time and a method to go beyond the campaign tactics and misinformation and let people really get to know Barack, Clinton would, as she has steadily been doing, continue to recede in her appeal. Her willingness to win at any cost is showing her true colors.

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Here it is in a nutshell folks: After 7+ years of the most corrupt and criminal government in history it boils down to who can you trust. Out of the three contenders we know McCain is a lying hypocrite. Hillary will do and say anything to win. Even going so far as to give the Republicans ammunition for the general election. Experience has proven to mean nothing. George Bush was a governor and had four years as president and was reelected (if you could call it that). He has proven to be the most corrupt and incompetent leader this country has ever had. So I'll take intelligence and trustworthiness over experience any time.

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