When the solution requires the government to garnish peoples' wages for care they cannot afford---yada, yada---this is not a bad issue for her---except---worshipping the God Penn---she loses the advantage by being so arrogant about it.

The message is still wrong. We know she has a plan. And yes she has tweaked her plan since 93. She has not tweaked HOW she plans to accomplish this noble goal. A major reason why her health care initiative failed during her husband’s administration was that she failed to change the details - and threatened to demonize anyone who got in her way, including the friendly liberal Senator from New Jersey, Bill Bradley. She's only addressed half the problem she encountered last time around with getting it passed.

Bill Clinton told us that Hillary and John McCain love and respect each other. Hillary voted with John McCain for the invasion and occupation of Iraq. The both agree, to this very day, that their votes were not Reckless and Catastrophic mistakes. Hillary and John McCain both voted for the recent Kyl/Lieberman Green Light to attack Iran.

Hillary and John McCain are two peas in a pod.

If you want a choice in the fall, then you better not nominate Hillary.

ThompsonLives:

So now you've decided to mangle a quote often attributed to either Einstein or Ben Franklin.

Interesting.

Since an exact attribution cannot be found for either one, I suspect it's actually a quote by the equally famous, Anonymous.

"A definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result next time."

Sort of like your snotty stream of ill-tempered posts here re the Senator from New York and her supporters.

liam:

Wow. The writer's strike is over. "Humor" doesn't appear to be your strong suit. Get help.

Okay, to break up my own stream of snotty, ill-tempered posts - not only did Hillary Clinton fail in the VERY FIRST serious effort to effect true national healthcare because she was naive enough to count on sanctimonious, ego-choked dinosaurs like Senator Lieber . . . I mean . . . Moynihan without making the proper ass-kissing overatures to them first -

Then when Senator Kennedy was kind enough (no snark) to help bail her out for the good of the general issue, she worked with him and took a leading role in getting SCHIP passed.

Finally, in her very first speech on the floor of the Senate as a Senator, in the midst of her political enemies, she outlined five separate, detailed healthcare initiatives that she was prepared to support.

Those are the facts. Not as funny, I know.

I love it. You just confirmed that you have a matching stick up your arse to match the one that Hillary has up hers.

The good news is that under Senator Obama's Health Care Initiative, you and Hillary will be able to afford to obtain funny bone transplants.

Well, can you absolutely confirm that for the past seven years Bill has become a born again Virgin, because if he has not, then if Hillary becomes President, new Bimbo Bill Eruptions will destroy the Democratic majority once more, like he did in the 90s.

I see no reason to let that party destroyer back into the White House, now that we are just starting to restore our national majority.

First, I’d like to second what wwjb posted earlier. Any proposal that mandates people buy into an unregulated private insurance market is counterproductive crap. Universal single payer is the only just and practical solution; healthcare should be considered a public safety issue and as such shouldn’t be a free market commodity. I’m also hoping that President Obama’s specific reform proposals will ultimately catch up to the very movement he has created and swing in the direction of universal single payer.

That said, IMHO, the actual details of Hillary’s health care proposals are rendered almost irrelevant by her own political history. If that history, along with her completely top down “solutions business” sloganeering, is of any predictive value, a hypothetical President Clinton II will (again) prove to be too autocratic and politically ham fisted to assemble and/or sustain the type of coalition it will require to make any meaningful and lasting changes to what is clearly a broken and unsustainable system. Add to that the probability that the corporate media will further hamstring her by returning her lost luggage and recycling the negative Clinton narratives of yore, and the odds are that she will ultimately do exactly what her husband did, which is capitulate to the insurance industry in the hopes of preserving enough political capital for re-election. Clinton is as Clinton does.

At this point, I find listening to the Clintons’ campaign promises on health care to be reminiscent of those yesteryear intro Anthropology lectures about Aboriginal cargo cults. How nostalgic.

YES WE CAN!

If you listened to the last two debates on both occasions Hillary said something to the effect of "I just think it's important that we START OUT with the idea of universal coverage"

She has made it perfectly clear that she will be willing to bargain on this position. I understand that some will say that is the way to negotiate most effectively, but I disagree in this case.

If you start out by saying to people that this is something you are going to be forced to purchase, many people will recoil at that idea.

In Obama's case he is starting out by saying that I am offering you a great chance at affordable healthcare. I just have to believe that people are going to be much more open to something that is offered to them than something that is forced upon them.

The Clintons promised us universal health care once before.

Why should we believe that this time they will be any more successful?

Tammy Baldwin must be out of her mind--or tired of representing Madison--one of the most liberal, highly educated and politically engaged enclaves between the coasts.

As long as the insurance and pharmaceutical companies get to set the rates, mandates are going to be a non-starter for most people.

There aren't enough electronic medical records "efficiencies" in the world to induce insurers or big pharma to lower costs significantly---which is pretty much Obama's point.

People get that. Especially in Madison--where they pay attention to such things and, where anti-corporate sentiment is in the very air they breathe.

Ah, the bias is unbearable, Erik.

Now you're just flat out printing Clinton campaign messages as headlines. But, of course, you let us know the Clinton campaign is the source of the Clinton message. Thanks!

Of course, this isn't a claim on the part of the Clinton's. It's a statement of fact and presented by you exactly as such, even though it's completely absurd and total bs. Remember Obama would support a single payer system if we were starting from scratch and that he has a plan of his own. But I guess he "doesn't really want it?"

So, we have a quote from the Clinton campaign, and a quote from a Clinton supporter. Really great article, great reporting.

Puh-leeze.