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Maria Shriver Endorses Obama

Barack Obama has picked up the endorsement of yet another prominent member of the Kennedy family: California First Lady Maria Shriver. At a UCLA rally today starring Oprah Winfrey, Michelle Obama and Caroline Kennedy, Shriver made a surprise appearance and announced that Obama is her candidate, too.

Here's Kos' take on the significance of the endorsement: "Keep in mind, this is now top-of-the-fold news in every California newspaper tomorrow, it will lead every newscast. And it should push into Tuesday as the governor is forced to answer questions about it."


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Louisiana's starting to look pretty important -- an increasingly likely outcome for 2/5 is a big mixed message in the media, and the MSM might look to LA (and WA caucuses) to give "the voters' verdict" on 2/9...

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And, here is my take on the reaction of my friends at Daily Kos:

You people…

…are out of control. This is the same sort of euphoria that led to the election of Arnold Schwarzenegger as Governor of California.

As a Democrat, am I excited that our choice will almost assuredly come down to one of a woman or a black American? Of course I am. But, my observations are tempered by the tragic reality is that this is not the right woman, nor the right black American.

The rock start like euphoria surrounding Senator Obama is terrifying. The unquestioned allegiance among supporters of Senator Clinton is no less frightening.

For goodness sake, look for substance. It's not there with Senator Obama: it's sadly all ephemeral, feel-good, empty talk. And the substance offered by the opposition camp? Cloaking a dark and foreboding 'mystery' still largely behind the curtain. The more I listen to and look at Senator Clinton, the less I am inclined to pull the lever for her either. Which is actually scarier? What you don't understand about one candidate, or what you do understand about the other?

While the pronouncements of Michelle Obama, Maria Shriver and Oprah Winfrey are indeed exciting, let's please remember that none of them will occupy the White House as President in early 2009. Apparently either Senator Clinton, Senator Obama or Senator McCain will.

Given that Senator McCain is clearly the least reasonable and desirable choice, I am left to wonder of the remaining two, who is the best choice. Is neither one of the choices? I wish…

And, that from a supporter of Senator McGovern, Governor Dean and Senator Edwards. I promised Governor Dean that I would vote for the eventual winner of the Democratic primary, and so I will. But, not happily. I feel as disenfranchised now as I ever have at any point in nearly 40 years. I have already given up my position as a precinct captain, stopped contributing to any candidate other then Senators Edwards and Dodd, and am seriously contemplating registering as an independent.

And, when the rest of you are eventually slapped by reality, I fear you will too. Sorry to rain on the parade, but it's just the way I—and so many others I know—feel about the emerging situation. For our sake and yours, I hope that my gloomy outlook is dead wrong. But, I don't think so…

interesting,
your feelings are nearly identical to mine in every election since coming of voting age, except this one.

Last I heard (which would be 2003), Maria Shriver is a registered Democrat and her husband is a registered Republican. Given this it doesn't seem like it would be very surprising that he'd endorse someone in the Republican primary and she'd endorse someone in the Democratic primary-- since after all, these are the primaries they'll respectively be voting in.

It's definitely interesting, but I don't think Schwarzenegger is going to have a very hard time answering any "questions" about it?

Umm, Obama actually does have a lot of substance, you just have to be paying attention. I'm sick and tired of lazy, ignorant people claiming that Obama is all talk, just because he can talk. This is the same stupid shit we had to hear from Bush/Cheney, or Republicans in general, constantly accusing Democrats of not having any positions because they don't fit perfectly in overly simplistic soundbite form, or they don't form a easily echoed slogan. In fact, their strategy has always been, if we say the Democrats don't really have any policies enough times, it will become conventional wisdom. The same thing applies here. For people who actually pay attention, and for people who actually know the candidates, it is obvious Obama has plenty of specific policy goals. Any claim to the contrary just serves to highlight the laziness of the person making the claim. And just because Obama energizes people and inspires them doesn't make his supporters mindless groupies, in fact his supporters are on average the best educated in the Democratic party. Sometimes I think Democrats just don't want to have something good happen to them. Somehow if something seems too good to be true, they just want to destroy it and go for the wowless triangulating route of moderation.

And hey, we shouldn't even be having this conversation because Hillary cannot beat McCain, and that is that, Obama has a much better chance. Plain and simple. A vote for Hillary is a vote for Republican control of the presidency and Republican gains in Congress. Don't be stupid. Wake up before it is too late.

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Oh, and it should be reasonably clear that I am neither lazy, ignorant or disconnected from the process. Far from it.

I would suggest that in the future, your arguments would likely carry more weight with those beyond the immediate aura of your candidate if you simply offered concrete support for your choice, rather than attacking the messenger with whom you disagree.

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How strange. My addendum displaced my original response, pushing it to the bottom. The secondary comment therefore makes little sense.

The original message started with the phrase "At a moment like this…" and appears somewhere below, unless this comment somehow juggles the order once again.

Sigh.

Pay no attention to the orange lines to your right.

Pay no attention to them at all.

They are meaningless.

They don't represent the American Voters at all, no sir.

No they don't.

Obama 2008!!!!

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I think you have it exactly right wwjb, stop saying Obama is all talk just because he can talk!


I am not sure the Shriver endorsement will mean that much, especially this late in the game.

I suspect what we'll see above the fold in tomorrow's LA Times in the Super Bowl and maybe dual pics of Bill Clinton in South LA and Oprah Winfrey at UCLA for Obama. I think Maria gets buried by all that -- and I don't think there will be any second day coverage of the split between her and Arnold. It expected. After all, she backed Kerry and he backed Bush.

I wish that people, especially Democrats, would stop talking in terms of this election being historic because of a woman and/or a (1/2)black man from running. (And I point out that Obama is only 1/2 black because he is 1/2 white and yet people classify him as black. Let's think about what this *really* says about America.)

This election is historic because the boomers are in the process of being moved out of their prime influence on society (except as a consumer group). For the last 20-25 years they have been center stage. This is the change that Obama represents and he represents it as well as any presidential candidate can be expected to.

Only an incumbent can claim to have "job experience". Harry Truman was a Senator for 10 years and chair of a key Senate panel rooting out corruption in government contracting -- and *he* didn't feel prepared on FDR's death.

Obama brings a freshness to government that the other candidates, including Edwards lacked. That's why he is exciting. JFK was a *lot* less experience than Nixon and yet people flocked to JFK -- interestingly both were roughly the same ages.

If Obama can reinvigorate the electorate, bring a freshness to bi-partisan solutions to the crises about to hit the US (peak oil being the most important), while simultaneously providing a new symbol of the US worldwide, we can do a LOT worse than have him as president.

Unlike some politicians (many Dems included), Obama did bravely say it was wrong to enter into a war with Iraq in 2002. And unlike some politicians (many Dems included), Edwards apologized for his vote being wrong.

We need this type of dialogue from our politicians if we want to bring things forward. Americans are getting sophisticated enough with advertising techniques that we may, at last, see past them and talk about something bordering on real issues. Even in sound bite form. With HRC gone, rightly or wrongly, we will end the he-said/she-said form of politics that has been going on since 1992.

The Clintons have had 8 years in office. It's time to gracefully exit. The Dems recognize this which is why the senior Dems are coming out for Obama. HRC won't be disappearing from the Senate unless she wants to. If she leaves the Senate after this presidential campaign, it will show everyone just exactly why she moved to NY to "get experience".

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Is it my imagination or has he won every news cycle since South Carolina?

Frankly, I'm surprised by Josh's relative non-reaction at First Lady Shriver's endorsement. For Californians, at least, it was a bombshell. Just because Shriver is a Democrat, it was not at all clear or expected that she would endorse Obama over Clinton. People in my house were watching on CSPAN when she was introduced by Michelle Obama and we screamed in shocked excitement. Then the phone started ringing.

I'm usually impressed by TPM's political pulse-taking. This time Josh's read is wide of the mark. Maria Shriver--California--Obama--441 delegates at stake--2 days before the vote. How hard is it to get the significance of this?

I will remain unconvinced of any argument until I see the ultimate empirical evidence, the polls on Tuesday.

Granted, I'm excited. Granted, also, I'm an Obama fan. Momentum is on our side, but it's a serious question how much, and how effective, it will be.

And plus, everybody needs to get out and vote.

But from my perch in Minnesota, things are looking really good for the good guys. If Obama stays within 100-200 delegates (or better) this one is far from over.

Where in Minnesota are you perched, Angry Vet? I'm in the northwest suburbs of the Twin Cities.

I agree that Shriver's endorsement is major - in California, more imporant than Caroline's. She's very well thought of by women in the state.

When I saw the picture at Huffington Post, I was at first surprised, then it all made sense. Shriver was Caroline's maid of honor. Also, she and Oprah have been close friends for three decades, starting their careers together at the same news station. I most certainly see Winfrey's hands in the timing of the announcement.

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Shriver seems like a big deal to me. I caught the excitement just watching it on CSPAN. Looked like all the women there pretty energized. I think it helps tip CA to Obama, which will give huge momentum for remaining contests.

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At a moment like this, I am almost inclined to respond with a simple "…shut up."

But, the truth is that you and I have much more in common than we disagree about. The difficulty for me is that I have spent nearly 40 years being very actively involved in politics, and most recently spent months on the road with the Dean for America campaign. I've contributed thousands of hard earned dollars intended to make a difference. The Dean campaign had substance. That candidate had substance. Senator Obama, not so much.

Seriously.

But, it doesn't really matter at this point, because the adoring throngs aren't interested at all in another point of view.

Only history will determine which of us has made the correct assessment, and I am perfectly will to stand aside and let history make that judgement. And, we all know what the 'commander guy' said about history…

I really hope that you are right, and I am wrong, but, I don't believe that's the case. All those years of political experience tell me it's not.

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Michael,

I respect your political experience and understand your critical eye. However, there are a lot of us out there who have not had that experience, or were not even alive during the campaigns that you mentioned. I think for once it would be nice to believe. To hell with having those hopes dashed.

And, of course, there is always the chance the we are talking about an exception to what you have experienced. So, really, your argument is a little circular. And hence, unconvincing.

Now, granted, I am certainly an "adoring fan." However, there is something about this guy, I'm telling ya. He has the opportunity to be handed the keys by a generation of fervent supporters. Isn't there a chance he'll do the right thing?

Should I really just turn cynical and be done with it?

No, I refuse to do that. And, as a vet of a misbegotten war, yes, it is possible to live through hard times with your idealism intact. Trust me.

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The Shriver endorsement IS important for one very simple reason: it dominates the crucial news cycle in California the day before the primary. If you link to the LA Times and San Francisco Chronicle, as well as lesser publications in CA, all are carrying the endorsement on the front page.

This creates the impression of momentum, which creates the reality of momentum. Can you feel it?

KOS's read is correct. This basically gives probably 4 straight news cycles to Obama on the west coast, despite Clinton having basically parked in California over the past couple days.

The Kennedy's coming out and not just endorsing, but actively campaigning with Obama.

The Times and La Opinión endorsing Obama back to back.

The hidden "news" cycle of the weekend, where the Obama Yes We Can music video dropped and went viral. Maybe not actual news, but it was information that lots of people had access to, and there was nothing even close to counter it from the Clinton campaign.

And now this bombshell of the Shriver endorsement, which will play all over print and television news in California heading into Super Tuesday.

Very interesting, and I'm not going to pretend I have any idea of what's going to happen over the next 48 hours, but I've got to admit, Obama has put himself in a position that I never would have imagined him being, even just a few short days ago.

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Do people actually care what she thinks? Why?

Yes we can!
Si se puede!
Yes we can!
Si se puede!
Yes we can!
Si se puede!
YES WE CAN!!

Dear Mr. Lafferty,

Here's a site that I think can help you out:

http://barackobama.com/issues/

With no snark intended at all, you can find a LOT of information on Obama's policy proposals there. If you read that and still believe he lacks substance then you and I will just have to agree to disagree.

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It's ridiculous that such a pointless endorsement gets so much coverage. Maria Shriver isn't known as some sort of great intellect. So why is this such a big deal? Because she lucked into being a Kennedy? There's nothing interesting about her and her husband not sharing the same politics, either. Everyone knew that, long ago.

Why is Obama enjoying such a timely honeymoon in the press? Why are his endorsements given so much more weight and coverage than Clinton's?

Perhaps because he's getting all of them lately. Clinton started out with a number of well-known endorsers - mostly as a result of her and her husband's historical prominence and the "inevitable" tag that had been placed on her. But Obama's been getting most of the significant endorsements lately. Including people who you wouldn't expect - like Joan Baez, and Eisenhower's granddaugther - not to mention many prominent women. There's magic in the air.

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You can't chalk this up to magic in the air, Pablo. It's bias.

Hillary got an endorsement from Maxine Waters. That should have been a bigger deal to the media than the endorsement of Caroline Kennedy, who is only famous because of the family she was born into.

And now Maria Shriver? Who cares? Who are these people? Why are they important? Look at your post... Joan Baez? Seriously?

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"Hillary got an endorsement from Maxine Waters. That should have been a bigger deal to the media than the endorsement of Caroline Kennedy."

Because it's a business. No offense, but noone cares about Maxine Waters. Kennedy reporesents ratings, which represents advertising $$$, which represents happy media executives, which means Maxine Waters gets very little coverage. In the end they might or might not like your candidate, but in reality they truly wouldn't give a damn about Hillary unless she brings in ratings, and they certianly don't give a damn about Maxine Waters who brings very little in the way of ratings. Right or wrong that's the way it is...and for the record Waters' endorsement gave me pause, but no cigar.

Sheesh, how come a "naive" Obama lovin' political junkie like myself has to explain this? Don't Clinton supporters know everything about politics and media while stupid people like me go around hoping too much?

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Clinton has received endorsements of nearly all Congresswomen in CA. Before the campaign started in earnest.

Do you think that might have been gender based? That minimized the impact of an endorsement -- I'll endorse any female candidate.

Endorsements basically are either

a) free press that is positive

and

b) a means of hooking into another fund-raising/canvasing machine

Shriver is a bit of both.

And, yes, in a general sense, it's not so meaningful -- but then again, neither is an endorsement from Barbra Streisand, and the Clinton camp was happy to have her good will in 1992, 1996, and 2008.

The real issue here is that Obama is beginning to make strides into groups that the Clintons have felt is "their" territory.

Believe me, they would have preferred to get Shriver's endorsement -- even if it means little overall.

Yes. Hillary got an endorsement from Maxine Waters. And Maxine got up in front of California citizens yesterday and said Hillary "deserves" to be President of the United States.

That's her campaign, right there. It's her turn. Entitlement.

People aren't buying it.

destor23: I realise you will now think I am a complete idiot (and you may be right) but seriously - who is Maxine Waters?

The Shriver endoresement is important because, if nothing else, she is the First Lady of California and California is an important state. That she is also a Kennedy, and that she is endorsing in a different party than her husband makes the story more interesting, not only to the press but to many Americans.

But as to the allegation that Obama lacks substance, I can only say that I have looked hard at his policies in dozens of different areas from taxation to healthcare to foreign policy (where his views exceptionally well considered) to Americans with disabilities, education reform, and environmental/climate policy. In all of these areas I was impressed with what he was saying and the level of detail in his existing policies. I didn't take them at face value, however, but e-mailed the policies out to friends of mine who work in these areas (I am lucky enough to have friends who are policy experts working for non-aligned groups) and they all came back to me saying that although there were details about which it was possible to disagree, they were impressed.

Just because Obama speaks well doesn't mean speaking well is all he can do.

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Help me understand Michael, what is it that you (and, by implication, many of the other folks claiming Obama "lacks substance") mean by the word "substance?" I see you saying this, I see the Obama supporters saying "go to the website and read the position material" and then I see you basically saying "I did, and I still say he doesn't have any substance."

Whenever I see this kind of exchange, it makes me suspect people are fighting because they have different definitions of the same word. I'm asking you because you don't seem thrilled by Hillary either.

Maria who?

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Bottom line there is a major horse race going on. For months and months and months we were told by the clinton people that she was inevitable and would be the next president. Get on board the clintons' train and don't ask any questions. Well, there is a race, which is great for the democratic party and the country. If the clintons win again, so be it, but at least they had to fight for it. We'll see tomorrow.

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I really liked Maria's one particular statement which I thought was political dynamite:
"If Barack Obama was a state, he would be California. Think about it......diverse, open, smart, independent, bucks tradition, innovative, inspiring, dreamer, leader."

BTW, all the commenting ploys expended to counter the Obama movement by trashing Obama supporters and endorsers must be getting harder and harder, nowadays. Imagine having to come up with 'reasons' to counter larger and larger numbers of major newspapers [three major ones in NM, for example], major public figures from across the nation, and millions of supporters of every demographic. Imagine having to stand holding onto a nearly empty political strategy bag of tricks, the last gasp remnant of which is an obvious failed claim that all Obama support must be 'naive'.


The Shriver endorsement seemed to get bigger play nationally than it did here in Los Angeles. It was all over the Today Show as big news. But KCAL-TV didn't even mention it last night in its 9 pm coverage of the UCLA rally with Oprah. The Times ran a small photo of Oprah, Caroline, Michelle and Maria on the bottom of pg. 1, but played the story inside.

Of all the local coverage I saw, I would say Oprah was far more the focus.

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I think some of you might be missing one point about the endorsements: it's great politics! Who cares what anyone else thinks, when it comes to a presidential candidate? We all know that, on the issues, there's not a bit of difference between Obama and Clinton. But this steady stream of Obama endorsements - and the nearly-complete domination of the headlines leading up to tomorrow's election - is pure genius, politically. And I'm very glad to see it, because more than anything else, I want a Democratic candidate who can win in November! And ideally, one who can bring out huge crowds of voters to elect Democrats across the country, too!

Hillary Clinton would have a very hard time campaigning against McCain, who has her beat in experience, hands down. And her nomination would guarantee a huge Republican turnout in November, something that we likely WON'T see with Obama. The Republicans are discouraged right now (as they should be after 7 years of Bush/Cheney). All their candidates are short of money, and their talk radio boosters are apoplectic about a McCain presidency. They're bitterly divided. There's no enthusiasm at all on the GOP side,... but there WILL be if Clinton is nominated. They'll definitely work overtime, just to defeat her.

Barack Obama is the best candidate the Democratic Party has produced in years and years. If we don't get fully behind him,... well, maybe we want to lose. Maybe it's more fun criticizing than building. Maybe we're just as fearful about the future as the Republicans, and just as willing to retreat towards the past. Maybe,... but I hope not! Go, Obama!

Bill

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I think some of you might be missing one point about the endorsements: it's great politics! Who cares what anyone else thinks, when it comes to a presidential candidate? We all know that, on the issues, there's not a bit of difference between Obama and Clinton. But this steady stream of Obama endorsements - and the nearly-complete domination of the headlines leading up to tomorrow's election - is pure genius, politically. And I'm very glad to see it, because more than anything else, I want a Democratic candidate who can win in November! And ideally, one who can bring out huge crowds of voters to elect Democrats across the country, too!

Hillary Clinton would have a very hard time campaigning against McCain, who has her beat in experience, hands down. And her nomination would guarantee a huge Republican turnout in November, something that we likely WON'T see with Obama. The Republicans are discouraged right now (as they should be after 7 years of Bush/Cheney). All their candidates are short of money, and their talk radio boosters are apoplectic about a McCain presidency. They're bitterly divided. There's no enthusiasm at all on the GOP side,... but there WILL be if Clinton is nominated. They'll definitely work overtime, just to defeat her.

Barack Obama is the best candidate the Democratic Party has produced in years and years. If we don't get fully behind him,... well, maybe we want to lose. Maybe it's more fun criticizing than building. Maybe we're just as fearful about the future as the Republicans, and just as willing to retreat towards the past. Maybe,... but I hope not! Go, Obama!

Bill

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