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Hillary's Speech: Words Don't Matter, Work Does
In her speech tonight, Hillary pushed hard on the theme that Obama is all words and she's all action, suggesting that the Hillary campaign is having an awfully tough time figuring out how to derail Obama's eloquence as a force in this campaign.
Hillary:
"Tonight I want to talk to you about the choice you have in this election and why that choice matters. It is about picking a president who relies not just on words but on work, on hard work to get America back to work. That's our goal!"
...and...
"We can't just have speeches, we've got to have solutions, and we need those solutions for America. We've got to get America back in the solutions business. Because while words matter, the best words in the world aren't enough unless you match them with action."
The Hillary camp has been trying various formulations to beat back Obama's clear oratorical superiority as a determining factor in this campaign, but nothing seems to have worked thus far.
Late Update: As commenters note, it's a misnomer to call this a concession speech, since Hillary didn't mention tonight's results in any way (at least until the networks cut away to Obama's victory speech).
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I don't think she ever made the sale that she can deliver solutions.
February 19, 2008 9:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Words may not matter to Clinton but she lifted two stories from Obama's SC speech tonight.
Sweet.
February 19, 2008 9:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I didn't hear her refer to Wisconsin at all, let alone concede that she lost it.
I didn't hear the whole speech, and maybe I missed something. But did she actually acknowledge reality this time, as opposed to her post-Potomac speech?
February 19, 2008 9:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes Hillary, Words do matter.
Your "Aye" vote for the Iraq war paved the way for hundreds of thousands of deaths and catastrophic damage to our democracy.
I sure wish you would have chosen your words more carefully.
I have only one word for you.
Nay.
February 19, 2008 9:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Eloquent! Post as a blog!
February 19, 2008 9:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I second the motion!
February 19, 2008 9:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I love this comment.
February 19, 2008 9:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed!
February 19, 2008 10:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Posted as a blog (my first one.) Thanks for the suggestion.
February 19, 2008 10:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, let's all go and Recommend it now!
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February 19, 2008 10:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
You just like it cause my avatar's a fiddle.
February 19, 2008 10:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Amen
February 19, 2008 10:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
My feelings exactly for Obama. To me, this wraps the nomination up. OH, TX and PA really don't matter at this point. MHO... Hearty congrats to Obama.
Good luck in November. Hopefully, his supporters won't have enough time to alienate more voters.
February 19, 2008 10:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is a nice little political jab. But her 'yay' or 'nay' had little impact on the Republican's jingoist march to war. You certainly can't argue that Obama's speech against the war saved any military casualties. This is a black mark on America that (unfortunately) was supported by Republicans and Democrats.
February 20, 2008 1:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good luck in November. Hopefully, his supporters won't have enough time to alienate more voters.
The good news -- the really good news -- is that the Hillary supporters won't have the opportunity to do the same.
Pot, meet kettle.
Sheesh.
February 20, 2008 2:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
dfx13,
Thank you for a thoughtful and civil response.
Your first assertion is correct. Because she voted yay, Senator Clinton had very little impact on the march to war. That's exactly why I won't vote for her.
If she had voted NAY, as a handful of heroes in D.C. did, and demonstrated either her judgment or her courage, she would have my vote.
Instead, Senator Clinton, like so many others, failed our country on the most important vote of my lifetime. To me, this means she's either too gullible or too gutless to lead my country. Personally, I think the same of the others, but they are not asking for my vote.
Again, you are correct. I can't argue that.
What I CAN argue is that Obama's speech against the war proves to me that he had the integrity to know the war was wrong, the wisdom to see through the lies, and the courage to stand up for his values in front of the world.
That's the kind of person I want representing me.
February 20, 2008 2:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
I finally figured out why Hillary did better in the Primary States than the Caucus States. It is the not having seen her factor. The more people get to know her the less they like her. That is why the caucus states turned against her, and of course the big Super Tuesday Primary states actually only saw her on commercials, but not much in person.
Take a look at what has happened in Texas and Ohio. She was way ahead in the polls until she spent a good amount of time in both places, and her polls started to collapse. I tell you folks, she is both the Hillary and the anti Hillary all by herself. The more people see and hear from her the worse she does.
Even in Wisconsin, she actually was doing better in the polls while she was staying away than after she she finally showed up in the State.
People just do not warm to her, and there is no slogans, tactics, or smearing of her opponent that will make some one vote for a person that they have a visceral dislike of.
She is toast.
February 19, 2008 9:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know, all she has to do to pick voters back up is show a little class and authenticity. She seems to take it personally that she's not the de-facto winner. Everytime she opens up and is honest and authentic, she does well.
But she can't do that. She has to act like states she loses don't matter, don't exist, and she's learning the very hard lesson that compared to a very, very positive candidate, that sort of negative approach to campaigning gets her nowhere.
It's getting kind of sad watching her go down in flames.
February 19, 2008 9:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
This came up while I was posting, and I agree. She's a better candidate and person that this. She would be a better president than the one she is running as, but the presumptuousness of Obama in challenging her (and in people for voting for him) seems to have thrown her off.
February 19, 2008 9:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just classless. How many times in a row now has she not congratulated Barack on his victory?
February 19, 2008 9:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just love that they are trying to slam Obama for empty rhetoric and some genius came up with "solutions business."
I think the Clinton campaign is making a fundamental mistake by trying to imply that--well, that words don't matter. A president's job is to lead the country. It's not just "hard work," it's about setting the direction of the nation, inspiring the citizenry, challenging the legislators, presenting America to the world, and Clinton is making it sound like she doesn't care about any of that. Which I don't believe is true-- but she's putting herself in the position of being anti-passion, anti-inspiration, anti-excitement, anti-hope, anti-leadership. I don't think its a good tactic.
February 19, 2008 9:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am watching BO speech...NO, i am watching history!!!
February 19, 2008 9:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is an empty suit, a lier and a plagierer...Nice choice for president. McCain will slaughter him....
February 19, 2008 9:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
You make a good argument, but I think I need to hear some more...
February 19, 2008 9:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Singfam:
If BO has been in the senate for 2 yrs and if in 2 yrs he has become what you claim, then what is HRC with her 35 yrs of experience?
February 19, 2008 9:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
For an empty suit he's sure kicking your girl's ass. What's that say?
February 19, 2008 9:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
First of all, great spelling. You must be in HRC's demographic. Let ask you, as you apparently are a big HRC advocate, what exactly are Sen. Clinton's accomplishments in the Senate? You know, like a sponsored/authored bill that has subsequently passed into law. Can you think of any? Perhaps can you look them up and post them? I think all of us Obama boneheads would be thrilled to learn about all the amazing "work" Sen. Clinton has accomplished as a Senator.
February 19, 2008 10:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
On Intrade, Obama 77.3 ♪♪♪
February 19, 2008 9:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
78.4 now! ♪♪♪
I bet the donations are going up too!
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February 19, 2008 10:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's not just "hard work," it's about setting the direction of the nation, inspiring the citizenry, challenging the legislators, presenting America to the world, and Clinton is making it sound like she doesn't care about any of that.
Worse: she's making it sound like she's actively against all of that. This really has to be the first political campaign since hominids started congregating in villages in which someone tries to claim that words don't matter in politics.
February 19, 2008 9:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have to respectfully disagree. The campaign can be viewed as a high pressure cooker -- and how you respond *is* an indication of many things.
What if Congress is stubborn? What then?
As the master said: the wise general wins the war by avoiding the battle.
I truly believe the Clinton camp believes that bare knuckle punching is the solution to everything.
Look at Obama: he has yet to really focus a campaign strategy on attacking her without provocation -- tempting as it must be.
You catch more flies with honey than vinegar. She either doesn't know this or hires people that doesn't know it. But it really doesn't matter... the campaign is hers. And the buck stops there.
February 19, 2008 10:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree, clearthinker. I've been wondering about all these negative and nasty attacks. And it seems she is simply hoping people will view her as a "fighter" who will take care of us in these dangerous times. Problem is, she is the danger!
February 19, 2008 10:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
"As the master said: the wise general wins the war by avoiding the battle."
Uhhh...Policy, that's me you're quoting, suntzu. I would appreciate it if you use my words, you give me credit. Don't be like that plagiarist, Obama. Thank you.
Just kidding! Go ahead and quote me anytime.
Seriously, I may be in the minority but I don't think Hillary should throw in the towel yet. I think she should go ahead with her plan to circle her wagons in OH and Texas. She needs one more chance to see if she can pull this out of the fire, otherwise, her quitting now would leave some valid questions about whether Obama can win the big ones besides IL and WI.
Further, if Obama can prevail in OH and TX, it will make the case for his electability all the more stronger, he will get more exposure, and he will come out a stronger candidate against McCain.
So yes, I hope Clinton will stay in at least through OH and TX. If she swamps Obama, then more power to her. But if Obama beats her there, then nothing can stop him, least of all McCain, whom I see as a very weak candidate. His only strength will be the Republican hate machine, and they are formidable, but by himself he is a very weak candidate. The only reason why he is the GOP standard bearer is that everybody else was so much worse. Except Ron Paul.
February 20, 2008 12:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Now there's someone who doesn't think words matter.
February 19, 2008 10:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
furion3 writes
Well put. It's like she has 3 modes - attack, policy, and honest. Honest works the best, attack the worst. But we so seldom see her in honest mode. I don't mean that she's lying all that time. It's just that she's constantly spinning and presenting the face that she thinks is most advantageous. I honestly don't know why she thinks that she's a better candidate than Obama because I can't tell the difference between what she really believes and what she's just saying because her advisers tell her that people will fall for it.
February 19, 2008 10:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey look! Specifics from Obama, which have been there from the get go and it looks like the fine folks in WI realized this. Thanks neighbors. Welcome to the blue wall that is Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, and now Wisconsin.
February 19, 2008 10:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's hard to believe Hillary's claims that she's the hard worker when it's Obama who actually works to win primaries. I expect that's why this particular meme will fall short. The hard work and solutions, so far, have been shown in Obama winning twice as many states as Hillary.
February 19, 2008 10:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary is done barring a major league scandal.
I expect air time to be given to the Larry Sinclair nutjob now.
February 19, 2008 10:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
A question: When is the Party going to step in and tell her she is tearing down the nominee for the Presidency and that she needs to stop it?
February 19, 2008 10:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
As much as I'd thrill in seeing this, it's not the right thing to do. Millions of Americans have cast their vote for her. It'd be wrong for the party to step on that without a very clear majority for one candidate or the other.
February 19, 2008 10:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I believe after March 5, if Obama takes either Texas or Ohio, Hillary will have no choice but to concede and the DNC will gently push her to that.
February 19, 2008 10:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
She will fight to have "her" delegates seated and cast votes for her. It isn't in her interest to concede anything. There are political chits in those votes and she will cultivate them.
I wish it weren't so, but that's the nature of the business.
February 19, 2008 10:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary; Try and grasp this: It is not about working hard, it is about working smart. If we were electing a hard worker, then we would vote for a mule.
February 19, 2008 10:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gee, Hil, how's that negative campaigning working for you?
I think you just need to give it some more time. You should go negative big time for the rest of the campaign and make sure Bill chimes in regularly with demeaning and patronizing sound bites about your opponent. Yeah, that's the ticket.
February 19, 2008 10:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
The "just" words stuff is fairly galling when she contrasts it with her "work." I didn't think that Bill's fairytale comment was racist (but I'm white), but this is Hillary close to saying that her male African-American opponent is a shiftless speaker of loads of crap.
February 19, 2008 10:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, that is great! ♪♪♪
February 19, 2008 10:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Singfam,
Where is all that venom coming from?
It seems that your insults are what's empty: Empty name calling.
Why does it hurt you so that (the majority of) the people are ready for a new vision?
You are free to agree or not with that vision. That doesn't change the fact that when Clinton says: "I have solutions" she is just saying words.
And it looks like most people aren’t believing her words.
February 19, 2008 10:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary asked for money in her speech and talked aboout her loan...UH=OH...I guess those donations weren't for the primary but for the general...
February 19, 2008 10:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's over. Hillary will continue, but she'll only damage her reputation.
February 19, 2008 10:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
She is toast.
February 19, 2008 10:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I never want to say negative campaigning doesn't work after Max Cleland. But Hillary has a high negativity rating and there is a perception among some that the Clintons would do anything to win. She needs to show she's not just ambitious, but she's passionate and noble--she needs to change people's minds. What I'm saying is I agree.
(Love the handle chimpeach).
February 19, 2008 10:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
When will media folks, (including here at TPM) began acknowledging, as only a few have heretofore done, that Clinton's "only words" meme is exactly the line used by Gov. Deval Patrick's republican opponent to which Patrick responded with the words he shared with Obama, and for which Clinton (oh, I mean the media) is now criticizing Obama.
February 19, 2008 10:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Am I correct in thinking that it hasn't been merely nine straight wins - it's been nine straight double digit wins?
Assuming the double digit lead holds up in Wisconsin, I mean.
February 19, 2008 10:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
You want specifics from the Obama campaign? My man just said THE MAGIC WORDS: "Restore Habeas Corpus."
February 19, 2008 10:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
That could become the next chanting slogan!
Restore Habeas Corpus! Yes! We! Can!
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February 19, 2008 10:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, Slouch, you crazy cultist you!
February 19, 2008 10:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
By the way, folks. Wisconsin doesn't matter. (Cf. SC, VA, MD, DC, WA, IA, etc.)
That's why she's talking to Ohio and ignoring tonight's cataclysm in WI.
This now-habitual practice of thumbing of her nose at each state after she leaves it, by ignoring the results of their voting, would not stand her in good stead if she were ever to have to face a nation-wide electorate.
February 19, 2008 10:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
There is a big difference in being strong and being mean. It is a sign of strength to be gracious in defeat.
In many ways, every day, Hillary displays her lack of character and lack of good judgment. Today she did it by lying about her campaigns role in the over-the-top plagairism charges they hyped against Obama.
She also displayed it by not acknowledging her opponents win and congratulating him. This is not the behavior of a leader.
February 19, 2008 10:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was going to say something very similar but I suppose I will have to settle for a me too.
All in all, this line of attack(?) is self-defeating both for Clinton and for progressive causes as a whole. What possible proposed improvement to any situation we face can not be shot down with the idea that "words don't matter"? It is deeply cynical and she should be better than that. The fact that she isn't in this campaign should really lead us to question why she would be much better in the general.
February 19, 2008 10:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
40 million Americans can thank Hillary's hard work on health care reform for their lack of insurance.
Uncountable gay men and lesbians in the military can thank Hillary for her hard work on tolerance that resulted in "don't ask, don't tell" AKA "stay in the closet or we'll can your a**."
The Republican caucus of Congress thanks the Clintons for the hard work and leadership that led to the first Republican majority in decades, and became so strong that only a Charlie Foxtrot like Dubya could screw it up.
Hillary, since you believe so strongly that words don't matter: when exactly can we look forward to you shutting your pie hole?
February 19, 2008 10:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Republican caucus of Congress thanks the Clintons for the hard work and leadership that led to the first Republican majority in decades
The Clintons ran the Dem congressional campaigns for each rep/senator? Who knew?
Obama has the nomination wrapped up right now in my mind so I won't have much to add to any ongoing primary threads. The deal is done. Now we wait to see if the US is ready to elect a flyweight motivational speaker as CIC. My guess is no.
February 20, 2008 12:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Republican hate machine will make Wolfson and Penn look like choirboys by comparison, but still they will fail, offering only an old man promising more slaughter financed by deficits. Liberate Iraq
oil and turn the rest of the country into craters with 500 lb bombs.
February 19, 2008 10:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Words don't matter, work does?
Just assuming for a minute that you're right, Hillary... what would that say about YOU?
February 19, 2008 10:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
February 19, 2008 10:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
First, in response to Hillary's newest campaign slogan, which is apparently "I'll work for you...only I work, words don't....I know how to work late at night..."
I just have this to say: It's not working.
Second, right after I finish posting this comment I am going to recommend Slouch's first blog post.
Third, and last: I think America has learned its lesson. And the lesson is this: Karl Rove politics didn't work. Mark Penn politics won't either.
Congratulations, Senator Obama, on another great and well-deserved win.
February 19, 2008 10:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
She is so disrespectful to Obama, for all the hard work he has done on the streets of Chicago, and all of his big achievements during this legislative career, to say he hasn't achieved anything, especially compared with her hyped up record, it is so disingenuous and wrong...she disgusts me, she really is shameless, what has she done that was so great??? Answer me that Hillary, and then let's look at Obama's record and see all of the things he has done. You got nothing Hillary, go away.
We DO have a big choice in this election, do we want a candidate who can win the general, or do we want one who will lose? You'll never get to day one because you could never beat McCain.
February 19, 2008 10:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bill Clinton for Change:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbHiw2jlwa4
February 19, 2008 10:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe Hillary should start babbling incoherently -- just to show she REALLY believes that words don't matter.
Oh, wait, she's already doing that.
February 19, 2008 10:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
My resolution's placed, and I have nothing
Of woman in me; now from head to foot
I am marble-constant, now the fleeting moon
No planet is of mine.
Antony and Cleopatra Act V Scene 2
February 19, 2008 10:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I generally dislike Chris Matthews pretty strongly, but he just nailed an short and descriptive phrase regarding Clinton's pattern of ignoring her losses during her post-loss speeches:
"Courtesy deficiency".
February 19, 2008 10:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
"an short"
Oy. That's what I get for second-guessing my initial choice of "apropos".
February 19, 2008 10:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
You, Zell? You don't like Chris Matthews?
Tell us something we DON'T KNOW!!!
LOL!!!
February 19, 2008 10:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sir, I have no idea what you are referring to, but clearly this calls for a DUEL!
February 19, 2008 10:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
If I am going to euphemistically shoot an old man in the face sometime in 2008, I'll choose McCain over you, Zell.
February 19, 2008 11:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
TKO in the 9th round.
Congratulations Senator Obama!
February 19, 2008 10:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
You want specifics from the Obama campaign? My man just said THE MAGIC WORDS: "Restore Habeas Corpus."
Words, just words.
February 19, 2008 10:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
I watched Hillary's speech tonight and heard her say something like "I stood up to China on women's rights."
Stood up to China?! Oh my god, was that her in Tiananmen Square standing in front of the tanks?!!
No, she gave a speech in Beijing in 1995. A speech. As in "words". As in "just words".
February 19, 2008 10:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Speaking of words where have I heard words like this before: "It is about picking a president who relies not just on words but on work, on hard work..."
Oh yeah, here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ38wu5Fp6w
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February 19, 2008 10:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Touché!
Hey Slouch ... if Obama decides to use your
posting in his speech or in a future debate,
how would he give credit to you?
I mean, a proper name would sound better
than "Slouch", don't you think?
~ Jess
February 19, 2008 10:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Shit, Chris Matthews really called that guy out on being able to name Obama's senate accomplishments.
It's a fair question, but he turned the emphasis on that guy's unfamiliarity with Obama's record rather than Obama's record itself. That was embarrassing to watch.
February 19, 2008 10:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, that was tough to watch... on the other hand, the guy is a state senator from Texas, hes never worked with Obama on anything, but the way he kept stuttering was painful.
February 19, 2008 11:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
i just mentioned that on another post...That Rep from Texas did a bum job...MAtthews just chewed him up...I was so embarrassed for him...i dont think we will see him again as an BO surrogate on tv...
is it me or does Norah O'donnell of MSNBC have a hard on for Obama. she is just beaming tonight about him...
February 19, 2008 11:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary will deliver a concession speech as soon as she loses a state that matters.
February 19, 2008 11:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, in Clinton’s concession speech (that she never gave) she said that words don’t matter (except she never said it). The propaganda machine is running so hot that Clinton is mowed down for things that haven’t even happened. This has become the typical MO here.
February 19, 2008 11:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton advisor resignations beginning in 3...2...1
February 19, 2008 11:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am so tired of Hillary Clinton talking about her accomplishments; about her work. What exactly are her solid accomplishments in the Senate? Co-sponsoring bills? Put that on a resume and see how many people are impressed. Did she get anything substantive done since she has been there? The Democrats haven't so how could she? And isn't this what it is about between her and Obama? Do we want 8 more years of futile grinding? Maybe she deserves a gold star for effort, but I do not see the accomplishments, as First Lady, or as Senator. Maybe someone with a little charisma and a new approach can actually accomplish something tangible, something that goes beyond supporting bills that go nowhere except on her list of "accomplishments". Maybe Obama is right about needing to lead people to get substantive things accomplished. I think he is.
February 19, 2008 11:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
From wayyyy upthread...clear thinker, you have a point. My only argument would be that fighting Congress is a battle Hillary is well prepared for. Fighting John McCain is a battle she is prepared for. This--well, apparently not.
I feel that Hillary and her team just felt that this was her time, she deserved this, she'd worked so hard, and wasn't it totally awesome how it was going to be hers? I wonder if some of the antipathy coming from her supporters isn't shock and surprise that someone would try to take this away from her--did I mention how hard she worked?
I don't know whether how one runs a campaign is analogous to how one would govern. John Kerry ran a pisspoor campaign but would probably have been a decent president. Obama has run maybe the best campaign I've seen since Bill's. I think Hillary would actually be a pretty good president, except for the utter divisiveness she inspires (not always fairly.) It would be ten times worse than the Bill years. But she has run a pisspoor campaign, at least after super tuesday, and it does call into question her "ready on day one" rhetoric. Entitlement is not a rallying call.
And, I should say, I think Hillary's arguments against Obama are why she could, at most, be a pretty good president and he could be a great one. In other words, I'll take rallying cries instead of "false hopes," thank you. I'll roll the dice.
February 19, 2008 11:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Anneeliz:
I will tread lightly as I like your posts and your adorable icon. ;-)
The executive branch deals a lot with negotiation and bargaining... getting things that they want from other people that they cannot strong-arm. Sometimes called diplomacy, sometimes called war.
The executive branch has to inspire, because in any organization over more than a microscopic size, you have to harness many people's differing agendas into a common purpose.
The executive branch is not so much about governing, but about leading. This is why debating is actually a skill better for a legislator. When you sit across from Putin, you aren't debating -- you are persuading.
Hillary, frankly, has not shown an ability to actually lead. This is a common trait to a legislator and the reason why most (but not all) presidents tend *not* to come from Congress, but rather were Governors and Generals in a previous life.
February 20, 2008 12:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually I think Bill and Hillary both share a legacy of reaching across the aisle aggressively to pursue a legislative agenda. (Atlantic Monthly had a good article about her working with people like Trent Lott and John Boehner; people that never expected to be able to find common ground with her.) Hillary won over a lot of support from the traditional DC politicians because she showed up to work on day one, but she also respected her status as a junior senator. I'm frankly stunned that this perspective has been lost in the campaign.
Hillary is in a tough position because her experience has trained her to respond to attacks from the likes of the Weekly Standard, Washington Times, et al. (Read David Brooks' book Blinded by the Right. I think this offers a perspective that explains why the Clintons are so politically aggressive now.)
She is trying to fight Obama based upon her experiences with the right wing media. I don't think she anticipated how much the left wing media has evolved, or the impact of the bottom-up organization of internet bloggers / political advocates. She is forced to formulate a counter-response to Obama's message of hope. That's a pretty tough job if the general audience isn't demanding a substantive policy debate.
But I would argue that Hillary would be as strong a leader as Obama, and would be quite effective implementing her policy goals. I think her history shows that she has effectively used the carrot and the stick to push her policy forward. You may disagree with her approach, but she hasn't found success as a lawyer, women/children's right advocate, or politician by simply speaking in a shrill voice while filling the role of Bill's wife.
February 20, 2008 1:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree that Bill and Hillary share a legacy of reaching across the aisle. It is precisely that legacy that chills me to the bone. Bill and Hillary will do anything it takes to get elected and to promote themselves and their power base, including pass legislation like NAFTA. You are suggesting that it is a good thing that she embraces guys like Boehner who is a world class boner if I've ever seen one.
Hillary can't handle not getting her way, and that is why she's so freaked out right now - and why it shows so much. What happens the first time Putin tells her no? What happens the first time things don't go her way?
The last thing this country needs is another day of rule by any Clinton or any Bush. We need a fresh perspective to offer ourselves and the rest of the world to try to clean up the messes of the Bush-Clinton decades. Obama is not perfect - no human being is. But he offers us the clearest shot at redemption and a clean slate upon which to write a new direction. We're a mess. We need to seriously change the way we're running this country. The Clintons don't have a clue how to do that. Obama is the only person out there right now who can even try. And that's why I feel hopeful for the first time in forever.
February 20, 2008 8:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, I agree with you, entirely. I think Hillary's strengths are in the ring, and I'd like to see her as majority leader. This whole idea of portraying the presidency as all about policy and having nothing to do with the ability to lead and inspire is nothing but idiotic. I thought Hillary would be a better campaigner than this, is all, and I'm just guessing she was utterly unprepared to fight a primary battle, and especially one on these grounds. She's a street fighter, but that looks pretty bad when you are thus in the position of being anti-hope, and arguing that it's "work not words."
If she does somehow survive into the general, I really do hope she fires this bunch of morons and lunatics.
I would love to see a president who really can inspire, who really can negotiate, who really does bring together a coalition to make this country bette--in other words, as you say, a leader.
February 20, 2008 12:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
I heard this story on NPR this morning...
"Democratic Candidates Have a War of Words"
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=19148417
"The great speakers usually become great Presidents. Lincoln was a great speaker. Theodore Roosevelt was a great inspirer. Franklin Roosevelt, John F. Kennedy, and Ronald Reagan; they ran their Presidencies on their ability to communicate."
The web feed cuts it short, but I think the professor went on to give the example of Herbert Hoover who came into office with a lot of experience but turned out to be a pretty mediocre President.
February 20, 2008 1:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ronald Reagan a great president? Eeeewwww.
Oh well, that's NPR for you.
February 20, 2008 5:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think great may be a relative term. I sure didn't think the b-movie actor was a great or even a good president. However, he was a leader and he was able to accomplish some of his agenda by leading people to follow him. You could call him alot of things and argue with his agenda, but, gulp, he was a leader. You can't take that away from him.
February 20, 2008 9:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Each time Obama spoke the word "Houston" I was reminded of the apollo dialouge. I'm wondering how many people tuned in? And I wonder at a subconscious level what impact that had, referring to the:
John Swigert, Jr. and James Lovell who, with Fred Haise Jr., made up the crew of the US's Apollo 13 moon flight used (almost) this phrase to report a major technical problem back to their Houston base.
Swigert: 'Okay, Houston, we've had a problem here.'
Duke: 'This is Houston. Say again please.'
Lovell: 'Houston, we've had a problem. We've had a main B bus undervolt.'
The phrase was later used as the tagline for the 1995 film - Apollo 13.
Re-watch the speech and then do some meme research on the impact of non-TX listeners.
It was a devastating night to Hillary made all the more so by that speech.
I'll watch again and look at the changes from Richmond and College park from the stump speech there, but the meme of "Houston" dealt an additional impact that would be interesting to attempt to quantify.
I really do study this stuff...
fascinating moment in history, words do indeed matter.
February 20, 2008 8:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent point. I loved the speech and I missed the phrasing and impact as you described. I liked the speech better than others that he has made and maybe that was why. Fascinating. I truly learn alot of interesting views and information from these comments. Thanks.
February 20, 2008 8:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
true. I think she's making a losing argument here--
by most standards, such as how many of their sponsored bills have passed Cpongress and how relevant they actually are (aren't just ceremonial recognitions) he's been a much more effective legislator than she has, and in a shorter period of time.
not to mention that her initial attempts at healthcare were so divisive they made the topic practically off-limits for 16 years. I don't particularly want those kinds of solutions again.
February 20, 2008 9:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary's "concession speech?" In what part of her speech did she concede - or even acknowledge - Obama's (overwhelming) win? This is the second time that HRC has opted to ignore the legitimate victory of her opponent; statesmanship or graciousness is clearly not a priority. It appears that she's taken a page from the Rove Handbook, and simply chooses to ignore the "reality-based community."
In the "solutions business?" Get out your checkbooks: there's a Going Out of Business sale coming up.
February 20, 2008 9:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Could someone please point to a concrete accomplishment Hillary has to brag about? Her attempt at universal healthcare in the 90s was an utter fiasco. She voted for the war. One thing she brings up is how she "stood up" to China for womens' and girls' rights by giving - dare I say it - a speech. Her record as a senator is pretty darn thin. I can't think of any legislation she's authored or gotten passed. She did propose a law to make flag burning illegal, but that's not exactly something I'd brag about.
So please, someone point me to Hillary's much vaunted record of "doing."
February 20, 2008 9:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
You forgot the iran war vote and here's another winner:
Over 150 nations have signed the 1997 Mine Ban Treaty. It pains me that our great nation has not. But in the autumn of 2006, there was a chance to take a step in the right direction: Senate Amendment No. 4882, an amendment to a Pentagon appropriations bill that would have banned the use of cluster bombs in civilian areas.
Senator Obama of Illinois voted IN FAVOR of the ban.
Senator Clinton of New York voted AGAINST the ban.
Analysts say Clinton did not want to risk appearing "soft on terror," as it would have harmed her electibility.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-rees/clinton-obama-and-clust_b_84811.html
Thin, I'd say damn near invisible. Henry Fonda, "Midway," to Hal Holbrook. Did I cover that properly. I don't want to be accused of plagarism.
February 20, 2008 10:29 AM | Reply | Permalink