greg wrote:One other outstanding question: Will tonight prove to be a repudiation of Bill Clinton, as some pundits were already predicting even before the voting had finished?

you've asked that qustion twice now, I think that's enough greg. we get it, you heart bubba.

"One other outstanding question: Will tonight prove to be a repudiation of Bill Clinton, as some pundits were already predicting even before the voting had finished?"

That's what a fool believes, Greg. No one save for you and Chris Matthews are obsessed with this question.

St. Louis County is only 2/3rds in, with 120k breaking 60 Obama, so he could still make up the 20k differential.

"Fumbled" is a poor choice of words. That implies he had them in his hands and he really didn't. They were at best toss-ups. Just sayin'. Good work tonight, overall. Have enjoyed the coverage here.

The Ben Smith comment is really misplaced. Obama had huge deficits in MA and NJ, and was really reaching to expect to win there, when keeping the results close would be a victory. Missouri is the only thing even close to a "fumble," and with the vote breaking 50-49, or 49-48, it will effectively be rendered a tie regardless of the overall state vote. If Obama comes out ahead in delegates tonight (a big "if" with California outstanding), it would be very difficult to suggest that this was anything but a significant victory for him. Coming out of today with not one but TWO "mo's" (money AND momentum) will really put him in the driver's seat going forward.

Agree with incidental... these were reaches anyway. On MO, MSNBC just showed them only 9k votes apart with over 350k each. Hardly can be considered a win for Hillary yet.

Lay off on Bill. The polls make clear that Democrats like him just as well today as previously, even if MSM deride him at every opportunity.

Obama's doing better than I anticipated. The analysis over the meaning of which states each won or lost should be interesting. (I'm listening to Obama now and find his discussion of Clinton ungracious and arrogant. With the lack of smile and tone he projects anger and, pardon my opinion, the words of a sore loser or poor winner--take your pick. I find him poisonous to the party. While I'm sure the comment writers on this blog will cheer him, I don't and I think a lot of others won't.)

"projects anger"...matt, why not just say what you clearly think?

Obama ahead in MO.

On MSNBC, they just reported Obama is up in Missouri with like 2% of the vote left to be counted. This mess is just crazy!

DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN!

MSNBC right now has Missouri with 97% in with the following:
Obama 387,064
Clinton 383,853

...is there an echo in here?

MW: We get it. You don't like Obama because he's a scary men half black man.

Matt, I have no idea what speech you just listened to, but if you feel you have to justify yourself by stating, "I'm not racist", then what else can I say but sure big guy.

Matthew,
Claiming entitlements? cadence of a black church? Are you sure you were watching the same speech everyone else was watching? You just killed any argument you had with your expansion of your angry black man accusation. Please, by all means, throw in some more stereotypes in there to make it complete.

I thought Huckabee sounded like an angry black man.

MSNBC just called CA for Hillary but it remains to be seen with 85% of precincts left to hear from what the delegate count will look like.

At this point Missouri is a statistical tie so the delegates will be split down the middle. Why all the fuss about who "wins"?

hilarious. politico is showing obama ahead with 97% and a little victory check still hanging on next to Clinton. Sure, she could still win it of course, but I'd say "too close to call" is the correct prognostication to make.

Who just called california for hillary???
CNN is showing that CA is 15% reported, WTF?

it looks like Obama may pull out Missouri

MSNBC has called California for Clinton as well!

You should seriously change the headline on this Greg.

all the nets called cal and arizona for HRC

It's a big night, momentum-wise, for Hillary Clinton. She held her base and outperformed late polls in key states like New Jersey and Massachusetts and California. Does this mean the Obama surge is over? She also showed strength in two recent red states, Arkansas and Tennessee, that Bill Clinton won in 1992 anad 1996 - so it's not a stretch to think that she could do well there in the general.

Before anyone starts spinning the delegate count, let's wait to see how they fall out in California, where Hillary's win appears to be larger than final polls suggested.

It's hard to imagine a Democract breaking through in deep south states, but if she were to put Obama on the ticket, it might be possible. With huge turnout and excitement with the Democrats, I'm thinking now that a Clinton/Obama ticket would trounce anyone the Republicans put up, include the so-called "maverick," McCain, who's strength appears to be in mostly heavily Blue states.

Matt, no offense, dude...but you're coming across as an angry white man.

Maybe if I can learn to tone it down when it comes to my enthusiasm for Barack--maybe you will promise to tone it down when it comes to your enthusiasm for Hillary--deal?

Win-win?

What do you say?

May I also point out the irony that will not be lost on Matthew.

Earlier, Matthew wondered when the media would jump the gun and report a state for candidate A when in fact candidate B won.

Matt, I think you got your answer on this thread.

Matt--you're crazy.

You can rationalize all you want. Your language speaks for itself. Obama has to be the least angry black man I've ever seen in my life. I think he may be developing hernias in his cheeks from grinning so damn much.

But all you see is an "angry black man." Sometimes you don't need to use the word to let people know what you mean.

bdn, yes, looks like possible error on the Missouri call. What areas are left in that 3% to be reported?

A few posts, yes. I'm wondering where so many of hte other posters went over the past week (since the update) as my posts are far fewer than most writers. Anyway, I work at a computer, multitasking across three displays and two TV displays on one of the computer displays (CNN coverage sucks tonight, MSNBC a bit better). Romney out tomorrow?

MSNBC Just called for Obama.

Matt,

I really have to respectfully disagree with your analysis, for the following reasons:

1) Obama's message has always been that WE can change America. That is not an entitlement mentality. It is in fact the opposite of an entitlement mentality. His message has always been that change happens only to the extent that we all participate in the process. We are the change we seek. That is much closer to JFK's exhortation to ask what you can do for your country than it is to any sense of entitlement.

2) He is putting together a true coalition. True, he does not get equal support from all race/gender combinations across the board, but he has won in Iowa and Minnesota as well as Georgia and South Carolina. He's not a race candidate. He's not a regional candidate.

3) I have spent time volunteering for his campaign. From what I have seen, it is not a group bonded by anger or fear. You don't win the youth vote on anger or fear. His supporters do not volunteer their time out of any sense of anger, fear or entitlement. He represents hope and a restoration of a sense of civic duty. Feel free to disagree but that's how it looks from the ground.

I think you are looking at his campaign through your own filter, which is fine. But from the inside and as a supporter, your view does not resemble what I see or feel.

Listen to both candidates and you tell me who uses fear more as a motivator. Head over to Taylor Marsh's web site and tell me who's supporters are angrier. Take the log out of your own eye brother.

That is precious.

Hillary has kept the momentum. She has held her base. Not exactly the 35 points she was leading by in December.

Hillary-ous! Watch out, she is holding her base. Wow, that is a sure sign of momentum.

Delegate counts depend on NM and CA. 659 for Obama and 623 for Clinton right now.

Obama thinks Clinton will win 15 in CA. Clinton says 34.
If NM is split, then its 841 Obama to 837 Clinton.

per MSNBC.

Obama wins Missouri! I am so happy/relieved. All that hard work paid off. All right, nation, we in MO have done our part. Now it is up to you, Louisianna, Nebraska, Washington & Maine.

k.. I'm going to go ahead and call this one for Hillary because her states had a larger font and more spacing than Obamas on MSNBC.

Oh, MW, for the record, many of us would rather lose with Obama than win with a candidate who appeals to your inner racist.

15% of the total is too early for a projected winner, particularly in a state with as diverse a population as Cali. Yeah, the journalists want to wrap it up and go to bed with a story written for the morning news cycle- but with the snafu over Missouri having happened JUST NOW.....well, you hope they'd learn not to call it too quickly.

Don't get me wrong- the numbers definitely favor Clinton so far. There's a basis for the projection, obviously. But it still strikes me as irresponsible. There'd be a lot less hullabaloo over stolen elections if the media didn't rush the process to a conclusion that can easily be encapsulated in a sound bite.

Independent Ben - You're out of your mind if you think tonight is a win for Clinton. Obama was behind in many of these states, Hillary wanted to end it after tonight, and tomorrow morning they will be within a handful of delegates of each other. In addition, he is way ahead in dollars and according to MSNBC on track to pull in as much in Feb as he did in Jan, setting himself up with the resources for the long haul. All the talk about the Kennedys not coming through in CA and MA is just talk for TV. He was never expected to win those states. What the endorsements did was get him lots of national coverage and legitimacy that is helping him everywhere. I will vote for the Democratic candidate regardless, and at this point there is almost no way it doesn't end up in a brokered convention so who knows who it will be, but it's hard to see how Clinton spins tonight into a big momentum stopping win.

The weather hurt HRC but thats how it goes....good win for BO...he needed to save MO.

damage controlling and grasping for straws Matthew Weaver?
Angry Black man...haha,, whatever.