Hillary Wins Massachusetts
MNSBC and Fox call Massachusetts for Hillary. Early on, she had a huge lead in some polls against Obama in that state, but Teddy Kennedy's endorsement of Obama caused the race to tighten up.
Hillary's team will spin the victory as proof that she won it in spite of the fact that both the state's Senators -- and the Kennedy "machine" -- backed Obama. The Obama camp, which would have loved to win this one as a big upset, will point to her smaller-than-before margin as proof that they made it closer in a key state.
Oh, and the nets are also calling New York for Hillary.
Late Update: MSNBC calls Delaware for Obama.
Late Late Update: As expected, the Hillary camp's statement is focused heavily on Obama's high profile endorsements in the state:
One of the biggest surprises of the night is MassachusettsDespite the fact that Senators Ted Kennedy and John Kerry were actively supporting and campaigning for Obama, Hillary Clinton won the state.
Despite the fact that the Governor of Massachusetts endorsed Obama, Hillary Clinton won the state.
Despite the fact that Obama visited Massachusetts just last night, Hillary Clinton won the state.
This is a strong victory and shows that Hillary Clinton has strength in places where Barack Obama was expected to win.
But keep in mind that Hillary had a big, big lead in polls in Massachusetts for some time.
Late Update: Hillary wins New Jersey, and Oklahoma and Tennessee.















Senator Kennedy was against Hillary. Senator Kerry was against Hillary, and Governor Patrick was against Hillary.
Result: Hillary wins Massachussets!
The Kennedy Machine Failed Obama!
February 5, 2008 9:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can someone PLEASE run against and dump Kennedy and Kerry on their next attempt at re-election! This is another piece of evidence showing how far out-of-step these two are within their own state.
February 5, 2008 9:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I couldn’t agree more bro. I live in Mass and its clear our mumbling incoherent mayor Meneno has more pull than our two senators and governor put together. Also, the whole hype about the Kennedys delivering Massachusetts to Obama was just another example of the elite media attempt at hyping people into voting for Obama, but as an African America resident of Massachusetts I’m proud to say it didn’t work.
February 6, 2008 4:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
MA has been a stronghold for HRC for quite some time. If Obama holds the spread to a few percentage points, it will be a very good showing for him.
February 5, 2008 9:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary had a 28 point advantage in Massachusetts.
Kennedy's support was key to bursting through that large of a lead. And that effect arguably isn't limited to the state of Massachusetts.
Seems like again, some people only have 15 second memories.
February 5, 2008 9:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
It looks like the trend is that Hillary is winning the big blue states (Illinois excepted) - the ones the Dems need to carry over from 2004.
Obama is winning due to lockstep voting (86% in GA!) by the black bloc. This is perfectly okay and understandable, of course, (it's a pride thing) but it's in states that the Dems won't have a chance in in the GE.
Obama's hope is to pull the upset in California - otherwise, this will be the unhappy realization for the Obama Dems come Wednesday morning.
February 5, 2008 9:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why isnt TPM posting an updated delegated count as the winners are announced?
thats the most important piece of information needed
February 5, 2008 9:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
That delegate count wouldn't be accurate until final numbers are in.
February 5, 2008 9:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
On CNN it's showing her with a margin currently at 21%. It all depends on your definition of "huge lead" I guess.
February 5, 2008 9:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
She really is kicking his ass tonight. He needs to pull it out in California. Failing that, which would turn things right around, he makes his last stand in Virginia on the 12th. It is just so rich that she has apparently kicked ass on Ted Kennedy and John Kerry, too. I never would have believed it. Bill must be laughing.
February 5, 2008 9:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly what media outlet, other than TPM, has called Massachusetts for Hillary? CNN hasn't called it. They're reporting that only 30% of the precincts are reporting, and that doesn't include the Boston area. Sure Hillary is in the lead, but there's a lot of votes to count.
February 5, 2008 9:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Washington Post called, then took it down. Fox and MSNBC called. Neither Boston nor Cambridge are in - at all. The exits have it close, but with Hillary ahead. So, I'd be cautious about this - she's still likely to take it, but it looks close.
February 5, 2008 9:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg,
Forget the past. It is about now and the future go Hillary.
February 5, 2008 9:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
The polls had tightened in Mass. over the last two weeks, but an Obama win there would have been surprising and probably would have meant the end of the Clinton campaign. If it ends up within ten points, then the "Kennedy machine" as someone called it would actually have been successful. There was reason (apparently justified) for the Obama campaign to be optimistic about Delaware and Alabama, but those are still important wins given the polls two weeks ago in either state. A CT win as well would be a nice surprise, even if the delegate count is largely even.
As an Obama supporter, I'm worried about MO and CA, but rather than post throughout the night, I'm off to a Todd Snider concert.
February 5, 2008 9:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, Obama supporters, Massachussets is not close.
It SHOULD have been with the hyped up endorsements of Kennedy, Kerry and Patrick. If you can't win a state with that kind of support...
then what good our you?
This is another case of trying to spin a defeat into a "It doesn't really count"
Now, I would like for Hillary to win Connecticut, but it looks like she will come up short, but unlike Obama supporters, I call a loss, a loss.
February 5, 2008 9:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Alan, they called it with about 20 something % of the vote counted. There are a lot of polling places still out there, and many of these are in Obama strongholds. As some people have mentioned, some who called it have since retracted.
So, yes it is close. Obama may not win Massachusetts, but he accomplished his goal, pushed Clinton in her backyard and supposed firewall state, and will pull more than his share of delegates.
February 5, 2008 9:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Continuing to point out that Hillary had a bigger lead isn't really fair. Hillary had a bigger lead everywhere because she had more name recognition. They're both good candidates, the race was bound to tighten up.
If Obama had won a state despite two senators and the governor endorsing Clinton, everyone would be acting as if a miracle had occured. Let's have some sense of proportion, please. This was a big win, in the face of the Mass. machine.
February 5, 2008 9:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Alan - No spin, just facts. Look at the exits, and look at the towns in. You will see it tighten significantly as the night goes on.
That having been said, I'd bet she still wins it, but it will be a very close delegate division. But, give it about an hour. We'll see then.
But it isn't about spinning one way or the other. I would be quite pleased with either candidate. We all should be happy to have two such great candidates.
February 5, 2008 9:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hello World!
Massachussets is not her backyard, It's Kennedy's. Yes, they called it with 20% of the vote, but the votes are coming in according to the networks exit polls. What is Obama's supposed share of delegates? Again more spin fron Obama supporters.
Admit it, as far as Massachussets is concerned, Hillary won Massachussets BIG! Those are just the facts.
February 5, 2008 9:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
It looks like Boston is coming in basically 50/50 all at once.
So the spread probably will end up pretty wide. Hillary should give the Mayor a HUGE thank you! He delivered much better than Patrick, Kennedy or Kerry.
February 5, 2008 9:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, Obama should have made it closer, but look at most of the recent polls: double digit leads for Hillary. We'll see how it finishes.
February 5, 2008 9:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
50% of the Massachussets vote is in and Hillary leads by 19%. Who said watch it get close as the numbers come in? Well the numbers are coming in and it's Hillary BIG where her opponent had big endorsements.
Again, when someone said watch it get close as the numbers come in is SPINNING like a top.
As far as Massachussets is concerned, I have two words for Obama supporters: YOU LOSE- Admit IT!
February 5, 2008 9:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Alan,
http://www.pollster.com/08-MA-Dem-Pres-Primary.php
THAT is why the Obama camp is happy. I would definitely call this for Clinton, but Obama is doing great.
February 5, 2008 9:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can someone PLEASE run against and dump Kennedy and Kerry on their next attempt at re-election! This is another piece of evidence showing how far out-of-step these two are within their own state.
Posted by Matthew Weaver
wow, Clintonistas getting the long knives out for 2 party mainstays. troubling? yes. shocking? not in the least.
February 5, 2008 9:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Keep your eyes on Idaho and North Dakota.
Obama 2008
February 5, 2008 9:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Alan, Clinton is almost as large a brand name in the state of Massachusetts as Kennedy is. And Kennedy is not running for President, Clinton is. Kennedy helped some in Massachusetts, but I'd argue the real impact of his endorsement was in that hidden battle for superdelegates that's going on behind the scenes. You get a Lahey and a Kennedy to stick their necks out for Obama, and there are a lot of other folks with a delegate vote that won't feel so uncomfortable switching their votes from Clinton to Obama if it does come to that down the line.
Again, congrats on Clinton for Massachusetts, but I'm sure it wasn't one the Obama campaign was banking on. If Clinton had lost here, you could just wave goodbye to her Presidential bid, so they needed this one. Any attempt to spin it differently is interesting, but not even close to realistic.
February 5, 2008 9:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
And Obama had to win where? Georgia? Delaware? Give me a break. She cooled him in NY, MA, NJ. She did what she needed to do. He has to win CA. History is being made tonight. A new Democratic coalition is being put together.
February 5, 2008 10:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
He does not have to win CA, and absentee ballots totally screwed up CA. We all mailed them in when Edwards was still in the race. Most of us have since rolled to Obama.
February 6, 2008 1:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
roo_p
Hillary OUTPERFORMED what Pollster.com had. She led by 11 and is winning by 19.
February 5, 2008 9:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Boston's not all in. They just changed it from being 98% in to 42% in. I have no idea what part is in and what part is not, and that can make a huge difference.
Hillary is racking up very large margins in the suburbs. Obama just had Northampton come in almost 2:1, but the rest of the academic communities are not yet in.
It will be interesting to see where this ends up. I'm guessing Hillary by 5%, but we'll see.
February 5, 2008 10:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Somehow, McCain is 4% ahead of Romney with 60% of the vote in in Massachusetts. Huh?
February 5, 2008 10:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Numbers just corrected. CNN was having a database burp.
February 5, 2008 10:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Any chance Obama had in Mass went out the window when he made a dumb reference to the underdog Giants beating the Patriots, with Teddy in the background - If you heard that quote in Massachusetts yesterday, there was NO way you were voting for Obama today...
February 5, 2008 10:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
"This is a strong victory and shows that Hillary Clinton has strength in places where Barack Obama was expected to win."
Ugh, this is so disingenouos it is disgusting. It is this type of comment that makes me root against Hillary. Hillary and the people running her campaign treat everyone like they are stupid, like they can be spun at will about anything and everything. It is a trait that reminds me far too much of the current White House administration for my comfort. It makes me apprehensive about a Hillary administration and is a major reason why I voted Obama this morning.
February 5, 2008 10:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I talked with a male African-American Boston cab driver earlier this week who picks up a lot of State House workers. He said that they were all supporting Hillary, except the governor. The driver was also supporting Hillary, citing the need to have someone with significant experience in there to get us out of Iraq quickly.
This is also the first election I can remember in 12+ years of voting in Boston where somebody rang my doorbell on election day (much less at 7 p.m.) asking if we'd voted. He was reading our names from the voter list, so clearly from a campaign. I'm not sure who he was working for, but since there were no workers outside our local poll tonight (which is unusual), maybe they'd been sent to knock on doors instead to get out the vote.
It was also raining much of the day in Boston, which often keeps the amateur voters at home. Menino, Maureen Feeney (the first female Boston City Council president in 30 years), and other insider politicos were backing Hillary. But many of my friends were vocally supporting Obama. It was a tough call and I only decided on my vote in the last week.
Regardless, the near universal sentiment in these quarters is that whomever gets the Democratic nomination will have an army of supporters from Massachusetts.
February 5, 2008 10:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama got fairly close here, I mean compared to where he was, there was definitely movement.
February 5, 2008 10:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
She really is kicking his ass tonight. He needs to pull it out in California. Failing that, which would turn things right around, he makes his last stand in Virginia on the 12th. It is just so rich that she has apparently kicked ass on Ted Kennedy and John Kerry, too. I never would have believed it. Bill must be laughing.
February 5, 2008 10:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Guess they don't remember Camelot all that well in MA. Or maybe they do. Fun to see Teddy and Kerry get their noses rubbed in it.
February 5, 2008 10:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmmph, my comment wasn't posted.
Here's a shorter version: Given that the entire Mass. political machine tried to stop Hillary and given that she started nearly every local race with a poll advantage due to her superior name recognition, there's no cause for the reminder at the end of this post.
Don't underplay this major victory, in the face of a an anti-Clinton conspiracy waged by local politicos who were given way more press than they deserved when they made their endorsements.
February 6, 2008 12:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
She must have smiled at this win.....no matter how much she was up....it's like a NBA game every team makes a run BO did and she stopped the Kennedy machine + Kerry/Patrick. Nice win for HRC.
February 6, 2008 8:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
"History is being made tonight. A new Democratic coalition is being put together."
A "new coalition" of Northeasterners and California? Better check your history. This is a "coalition" that has lost us the last two presidential elections.
February 6, 2008 10:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think it ends up as one of her biggest victories of the night - together with California.
The combination of big spreads in suburbs and in blue color towns did it for her, together with holding down Obama's margins in Boston, Cambridge and places like Hampshire and Franklin county (which are small but can give people huge margins sometimes).
It's wrong to say the whole political establishment was against her. Mayor Menino and most of the state legislators were with Clinton. They are closer to the ground than Kerry and Kennedy, and they clearly have more ability to deliver than Deval Patrick.
February 6, 2008 10:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think this outcome will have a lasting effect on the Kennedy’s effect on Massachusetts politics. If they don’t matter in Massachusetts then where? Certainly not in California!
February 6, 2008 10:45 AM | Reply | Permalink