FYI, we at Xerox make mostly printers and multi-function devices, not copiers. So yes, Obama, like Xerox offers 21st century color multi-function devices.

Hillary got the only boos of the night with the Xerox line.

Her Xerox line, which Bill Schneider over at the CNN live blogging, characterized as "contrived", really went over well. The crowd booed.

There are a lot more Clinton supporters commenting on the CNN threads than there are here.

Josh is right on health care though.

Applause is cheap, hey has gotten the only laugh, and in that tension filled room that was important. I give the edge so far on the plagarism line, made Hillary look petty, got a laugh, and then she went and borrowed Edwards line on Healthcare being equal to Social Security.

I think Obama is realistic about not garnishing wages for healthcare.

So far, Hillary has not changed momentum

they're totally helping Hillary - she doesn't have to say anything about her bad judgment on Iraq. Instead she's allowed to discuss the surge. Clinton News Network indeed.

9:11 PM ... Hillary yanks it back to the health care debate. But it's hard for me to see that Hillary doesn't have the better part of the policy question. If the young and healthy don't have to buy in, there's not enough money for the ailing and old to be covered -- or for the vast middle who are healthy but might suddenly not be. I don't see a way around that. And that's the rub to this whole debate. Not just this debate right now within the Democratic party, but the whole question of health care.

That is a good point, but with all the baby boomers can we really say to the 20 something crowd, pay health insurance, pay social security, inheret the budget deficit?

I mean really is that fair?

I agree on Children coverage, and preventive medicine, but really folks conscription into health care is as almost as bad as conscription into military service.

Hillary not McCain is the economics light weight IMHO, I mean hell just abridge and make null legal contracts, declare interest rates flat, instead of creating a vehicle for refinancing.

Hillary is not doing that great of a job as far as I'm concerned.

WTF was that question?

HE WAS IN THE BOTTOM 25% and she was in the top ten!!! how do they lead with that to hiM!??!

EMO TIME!!!!!!!

i thoguth she was going to cry

OMG, Hillary is sounding so fake as this thing comes to a close. Sentimental BS sounds packaged.

I've often wondered what Hillary Clinton sounds like when the masks are off and she's herself; at her most genuine.

I didn't find that out this evening. I doubt if I ever will.

Yeah, I thought that during the earmarks thing too, the questioning was wwaaaayyy off. Maybe this is why she hates MSNBC, maybe they don't pad all of the questions for her.

And her final speech seemed so fake, but I know I'm kind of biased...can anyone else confirm? Was that final bit totally contrived??

I can't believe that after bashing OBama all week for "plagiarism" she ended the debate by stealing John Edwards' signature line. I can't believe it.

Dillu, i agree, Campbell Brown and the other two moderators sucked

Here's my problem with this "fifteen million dollar" thing. She (and Krugman) keep throwing that number around as if it were an estalished fact. Where did it come from? The truth is simple: some smart guys with an agenda pulled it out of their asses. No one knows how many people will opt out of health insurance under Obama's plan, if it were implemented in its current form (which, in itself is an absurd statement).

Josh, on the main page, says:

If the young and healthy don't have to buy in, there's not enough money for the ailing and old to be covered -- or for the vast middle who are healthy but might suddenly not be. I don't see a way around that. And that's the rub to this whole debate.

Like Hillary, and Ezra, and Krugman, and God knows how else, Josh leaps from "if they don't have to buy" to "there won't be enough money in the system." That is, they assume that if they don't have to buy, they won't.

Certainly, to some extent, that would be true. Obama's point is that notwithstanding the certitude of some experts modelling a bunch of assumptions, we don't know for a fact that that number will be enough to make a difference.

One thing nobody seems to consider is if the coverage is affordable, a lot more of these twentysomethings everyone is worried about are going to be getting it through their jobs. More importantly, those who aren't getting it at work, or staying on thier parents plans longer, are going to be under enormous social pressure to buy it. They'll get it from their parents, they'll get it from their employers, they'll get it from the government.

They could surprise us. We should at least give them the opportunity to surprise us before we haul out the sticks.

I did not like Obama's comment about Hugo Chavez. I've been hoping for something better than the same old, tired, empire-building or empire-expanding or decrepit-empire-maintenance crap we've been seeing for over half of century from the State Departments of both Democrats and Republicans. What does targeting Chavez have to do with change? Disappointing. Very disappointing.

It seemed that people applauded out of relief - that in the end, they both like each other etc... But yeah, lifting this from Edwards for her conclusion, that might come back to bite her in the ass. Watch out for "the youtube" Hillary...

did she take the line from Primary Colors?:

"The hits I've taken are nothing compared to..."

This was at the end of the debate, but I remember that from the movie. It would be ironic and hypocritical.

It was a great line, she knocked it out of the park. Now the media will spin it for its boy ofcourse.

To: The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

Good point but Hillary can propose a mandatory national health care plan, and that plan will get destroyed if the argument is again as I described it, CONSCRIPTION.

And trust me, the forcing of the system enrollment and the difference of advocating of reducing costs, are two different things.

If I had to vote tomorrow, I would not vote for Hillary based on this core issue.

I support Health Care, but not an unfunded mandate.

I voted for Obama, but I wish all of you folks with your classless remarks about how phony Clinton is and etc. would listen to what Obama is saying.

I believe that Clinton is a devotee of the DLC triangulation approach, but I don't think that makes her insincere. I think it just means that she just a bit behind the public sentiment curve.

Lighten up. Obama's ahead and closing in on closing this thing out in Texas and Ohio.

I thought Clinton's closing remarks about whatever happens either candidate will be fine, they each have family to support them, and etc. sounded almost like a concession.

Hillary got booed on that stupid Xerox line. I think it was a stupid decision for her to keep the subject going after Obama pretty much slammed the door.

CNN is gushing over that closing. I found it pretty boring. Still, gotta give her some credit for the conciliatory tone.

Obama crushed her tonight. What are these pundits talking about? It was even at all. This was by far his best debate. She had a few decent moments, but overall he elevated his game and won several very important moments.

This thing will be over on March 4. Obama vs McCain.

Now it turns out HRC's closing comments were plagiarized from John Edwards in a Dec. debate and from Bill Clinton in 1992.

She combined are part from each.

Also, I "staged" a N.H.esque moment- for women to come out like a tidal wave- and back her.

She manages to "be herself" whenever she seems down and dusted. She ducked the transceperancy and ear marks question, ducked the delegates question- and John "Kiss Ass" King threw her punch lines "where is the beef" punch line, She had a cheap "xerox" moment- but at the end she "paints a picture" of our vetrans that she send to a war and never admitted it was mistake, and she becomes the sweet heart.

She threw a bone at her core base (Older, Middle Aged Democratic Women) and asked them to fetch it.

Whenever, I want to believe her I get scared.

Something I have not seen pointed out yet, I think Obama not only won this against Hillary but he also gave Bush and Bush Lite (McCain) a damn bloody nose over Iraq and the surge. Hillary was of course weakest on Iraq, and understandably would have preferred the whole 90 minutes to be on healthcare.

She also did not answer the question that Long put to here, whether she thought Barack was not capable of being Commander in Chief, but wandered off citing a number of things she did in the foreign policy area, once again being the wonk. Not at all sounding like a Commander in Chief.

By avoiding the question, this made her look weak. If George Patton felt another officer was incompetent, he would probably tell him, "Sir you are not worthy of command," and that is being polite. Hillary did not have the guts to say that to Barack in front of the whole country, yet keeps making that charge behind his back.

This gave Obama the opening and he made the most of it. What he did was give a rousing summation of how he saw the Iraq war is screwing the whole country. It was his global view against Hillary's wonky. It was his best moment in the debate, and he ended by pretty much challenging McCain to bring it on. He took out Hillary and McCain in one fell swoop.

I for one believe that if Obama had decided to go into the military, at his age of 46, he would probably have at least three stars by now, possible four. He is one of the most confident men to appear in public life in America for a while, probably since Bill Clinton.

He and McCain will be one hell of a fight to watch.

Hillary looked the fool with that rejoinder, "Xeroxed" from whatever overpaid speechwriter she's employing. What a sad way to end a campaign. Going out on a petty note.

There probably aren't words to say it, nor does it really matter. I guess I'm not that shocked that someone would finally come out with "cunt", but what is truly pathetic is that it barely brings a comment from the assembled crowd. Wow. Did that really happen? Did all of you actually read that and not say a fucking thing? Now why is that? Nothing?

To all those of you favoring mandates.

First understand that the plans these candidates are talking about are for INSURANCE, not health care.

HRC bases her whole plan on spreading risk for the existing INSURANCE INDUSTRY.

That's why she has to have mandates, otherwise the INSURANCE INDUSTRY would not participate.

So she's going to force most of us to buy private FOR-PROFIT INSURANCE.

We haven't touched health CARE.

It is no where akin to Social Security or Medicare. Those are direct pay for health CARE mechanisms.

Mandates to buy private for-profit INSURANCE will never fly in Congress or with the vast majority of the American people if they understand it.

I did not like Obama's comment about Hugo Chavez. I've been hoping for something better than the same old, tired, empire-building or empire-expanding or...

I didn't hear it as a knock against Chavez or China. I think he was saying that Chavez and China have been gaining influence in Latin America, while the U.S. has failed to play a big enough role in that region due to being too wrapped up in Bush's wars.

I don't recall any other Dem candidate getting booed in any of the debates besides HRC. This might be the last time. I'm relishing the possibility that this is the end of an ill advised campaign.

Clinton08: We're in the 21st Century One-Liners Business

Hillary now does product placement to get campaign funding. First donor: Xerox

It looks like there's nobody in the entirety of TPM, editors and reporters included, who can observe the simple distinction between copying a portion of a line -- which is what Hillary has done -- and copying an entire passage, which is what Obama did in his "Just words" plagiarism.

It's nice to see how brainless you all have proved yourself to be. I'm so proud to think that you are fellow Democrats.

"Reality based"? Not so much.

I think the Xerox line came off as contrived and made Hillary look bad at that moment, but if you didn't watch the debate and glanced at the headlines this morning, it's out there without the boos and absent a certain pettiness many of us sensed last night.

Maybe it was worth it.