Breaking: Hillary Campaign Goes To War With MSNBC Over Chelsea "Pimp" Comment
This is really something. The Hillary campaign has just gone to war with MSNBC, dispatching a top Hillary adviser to launch a lacerating attack on the network on a conference call with reporters moments ago.
On the call, top Hillary adviser Howard Wolfson suggested that there's a "pattern" of reprehensible comments by MSNBC personalities, and said outright that the Hillary campaign could no longer "envision a scenario where we would debate on that network given the comments that were made and have been made."
Wolfson made the comments in response to a question about a now-notorious comment by MSNBC's David Shustser, in which he asked if Chelsea's campaigning on her mom's behalf meant she was being "pimped" by the Hillary campaign...
Though Shuster apologized this morning, the Hillary campaign has clearly decided to seize upon the opportunity to launch a major attack on the network. A few weeks ago Chris Matthews publicly apologized to Hillary after suggesting that her whole Senate career and presidential candidacy was made possible only because of Bill's shenanigans in the White House.
Asked about Shuster's "pimp" comment, Wolfson denounced the comment as "disgusting" and "beneath contempt," adding: "It's the kind of thing that should never be said on a national news network."
Then Wolsfon added: "You have to question whether or not there is a pattern here on the part of the network." He added: "Is this part of a pattern? I don't know, but [it's] beneath contempt."
Then, unbidden, he concluded: "I'll say this. We've done a number of debates on that network...I at this point can't envision a scenario where we would debate on that network given the comments that were made and have been made."
That he would effectively rule out future debate appearances for the time being strongly suggests that the Hillary campaign discussed this in some detail beforehand and decided to launch this broadside against the network. It also suggests that the Hillary camp sees the potential for political gain in drawing media attention to negative and sexist comments made on MSNBC about her and her daughter.
More soon.
Late Update: We have lots more coverage of MSNBC and other news orgs' treatment of the race right here at The Horse's Mouth, our blog about political coverage.

A serious question Greg: Have you had any conversations with Clinton campaign affiliates about its decision to attack MSNBC?
February 8, 2008 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
not yet. working on that
February 8, 2008 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
If there was ever a family that knew what they were getting into by launching a presidential campaign, it would be the Clintons. No doubt Chelsea, who generally keeps a low profile, joined the campaign voluntarily. Shuster's comment was obnoxious. He apologized. The victim thing is wearing a little thin.
February 8, 2008 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed, and I think this whole episode is more a comment on how deeply slang has infiltrated the public discourse than it is an indication of any systematic attack on the Clintons from the network.
I mean really -can you imagine anyone EVER using that term in the national news in connection with anyone other than an actual pimp even 15-20 years ago?
This was an unfortunate incident -as was Matthews' unrelated incident, but without more it's hard to see a connection. If she's so concerned about systematic attacks against her why is Hillary so keen to debate on FOX?
I also find it an odd coincidence that this comes straight on the heels of the recent "Hillary's campaign can't afford the TV time" stories.
February 8, 2008 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
so she'll debate on Fox News, but not MSNBC?
February 8, 2008 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
ruh roh
February 8, 2008 1:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
They're right. Schuster's comment was disgusting, as is Matthews sexist obsession with her. MSNBC has apparently misunderstood the difference between being more willing to have a point of view (a la Olbermann) and using wildly inappropriate language. The Clinton team can only win with this narrative. She's going to get a great deal of sympathy for the attack on her daughter, and she's going to get a great deal of traction that there is a lot of sexism out there working against Clinton.
Thanks, MSNBC. Thanks a lot.
Idiots.
February 8, 2008 1:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
But Fox News has said nothing but wonderful things about you, Hillary, and that Democratic Party you claim to care so much about.
February 8, 2008 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
well that guy's a douche bag.
February 8, 2008 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, war on multiple fronts. Too bad Barack will not attack CNN for there (quite obvious) bias in favor of Clinton.
But yes, I concede that HRC and her advocates are probably right as far as MSNBC goes.
Ok, then. Why don't we do it the Presidential way and get Jim Lehrer and PBS to moderate the debate?
Ugh, this sucks.
February 8, 2008 1:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yup, you beat me to it. Let PBS have the debates.
February 8, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wonderful suggestion. That more doesn't happen on that network, is appalling.
February 8, 2008 1:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
During the Kodak Theatre debate, Clinton stated one of her policy positions and in response, I watched Bradley Whitford (the guy from the show "West Wing") applauded enthusiastically in response to Clinton's position.
Watching Anderson Cooper the following evening, AC led with a story on the Kodak debate, and in the story, the producers edited the piece to show the footage of the same Bradley Whitford applauding enthusiastically, but seemingly in response to an Obama remark. This was a subtle, yet terribly misleading editing by Anderson Cooper and CNN.
So I disagree that CNN is favorable toward Clinton.
February 8, 2008 2:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
I also wonder if Schuster is going to be fired. Look at Imus. I grant you, he had a long history of that nonsense, but can you really say the former First Daughter is being "pimped out" and keep your job?
February 8, 2008 1:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Schuster was over-the-line obnoxious and also sexist, in execution if not in intent.
It's not fair to compare it to Imus though--and not only because of the "long history" thing. Imus flat out called a group of young women ho's (with further racist modifier), with absolutely no context whatsoever. This was an insult soley to the young women involved. Clearly, blatantly, unforgivably misogynist (and racist).
On the other hand, I interpret Schuster's comment "It's like they are pimping her out in some weird way," as being much more directed at the supposed pimpERs than the alleged pimpEE. In that regard, the comment was also made in a specific context. Schuster was mad that Chelsea would call superdelegates to advocate for her mom, but still would not talk to reporters. He was also peeved because he felt that Clinton surrogates were being especially, shall we say, firm in the way they told reporters that she would not comment. (See his email: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/08/msnbc-reporter-begrudging_n_85706.html.)
If all that's true, it does seem to be somewhat of a double standard on the part of the Clinton campaign. How that then gets to "pimping," I have no clue, except maybe by way of a bruised, out-sized ego. Again, inexcusable; worthy of suspension, definitely. But not in Imus territory, especially with no history of such behavior on Schuster's part. I think in a sense Schuster is being made to pay for what Chris Matthews has done--he of the pinched cheek. By which I mean, other women seemed to be more openly angered by CM than Hillary was. I would have been more sympathetic had she threatened to boycott the network in response to his many remarks. To my knowledge, she did not even come close.
So, most charitable interpretation for Hillary: mama lion. (No Hillary fan, but I find that very credible, given how much she clearly loves and has always tried to protect her daughter.) Previous commenters have already suggested other readings (be they alternate or additional) and I don’t say they are definitely wrong.
February 10, 2008 10:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Does this mean Bill O'Reilly never said anything reprehensible about the Clintons? Hannity?
It was a supremely *stupid* word choice and Shuster should get smacked hard for it. Wouldn't bother me if Bill called him out into the street. But that's about it. The rest sounds a little desperate.
February 8, 2008 1:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bill call him out into the street? Yeah, right. Like he did when Commander DittoHead said Hillary had Foster whacked? Or perhaps when Rick walked from behind his lectern and she wasn't sure if he was going to attack her? Or earlier this year when a moderator made the comment that "some" didn't like her and her feelings were hurt? Obama says people like Hillary just fine and all of a sudden, he's talking down at her, belittling her. Everyone's always picking on Hillary and Bill's there with his dukes up, ready to head to Knuckle Junction. Oh wait, that would take some balls, so that won't be happening..ever!
She is the perpetual victim candidate. A president needs a thicker hide than she has shown in the past is demonstrating now. It's always someone else or someone else's fault. The dog ate my records from the law firm, the vast right wing conspiracy spunked on that dress and George pulled a switcheroo on my Iraq vote.
Can anyone defend what Shuster said? No. It was stupid and worse, lazy considering the journalist most people thought he was, but you can bet Hillary '08 will use this as a fundraising tool. The fact that MSNBC was the first channel I saw to speculate that the whole I-lent-my-campaign-$5M may be phony has nothing to do with her sudden distaste for all things MSNBC.
Hey MSNBC, sit Shuster for a couple without pay and hold a town hall meeting with the candidates. If she shows, she shows. If not, watch her have a melt down with Mr. Obama answering without interruption for 90 minutes. And while you're at it MSNBC, get rid of Matthews. He is a tool of the highest order, offerring no insight or substance and if you look closely, the only one cackling at his "witty" remarks, is Chris Matthews. The two or three minutes of him while I wait for Olbermann is the longest part of my day. This may come as a news flash to some of you, but the reason that Limbaugh, Boortz, Coulter and Matthews say all these offensive things is because they have nothing substantive to add to the conversation. They are like the spoiled child who constantly has to act out for attention. It doesn't matter why you notice me, just so long as you pay attention to me!!!!
PS If you think Obamaniacs are the ones throwing fuel on the fire here in the comments section, you are in need of some of that HillaryCare. I'll be holding my nose and voting McCain..ugh!
February 9, 2008 9:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
This seems unwise to me.
Refusing to debate after making an issue that Obama won't debate. The Clinton campaign seems confused. I know I am confused by some of their actions.
"Some kind of pattern?" HRC needs to stay away from the reliving of Hillary and vast right-wing conspiracy.
February 8, 2008 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
She isn't refusing to DEBATE, she is just saying NOT on MSNBC.
She'll meet Obama for debates, he just won't meet here.
MSNBC has created a climate of misogyny... when a reporter feels it is appropriate and acceptable to call a sitting senator, past first lady, and current presidential candidate is a pimp and her daughter a whore we're way beyond the pale.
If you can't see it, think about if Shuster had said Obama was pimping out his daughters or his wife. The screams of racism would be deafening. Sexism seems to be acceptable to MSNBC.
They said they finally "got it" with Imus, after allowing clear sexism to go on for years. Then they "got it" with Matthews. Now with Shuster we still see that they "got it". They "got" misogyny and sexism. It is their culture.
We had a "nonapology" from Matthews and now a "nonapology" from Shuster. If a political candidate had given an "apology" like theirs, they certainly would have called them on it. They don't see or admit that they were wrong.
Greg Sargent,
thank-you so much for raising this issue and showing some leadership on TPM. You don't have to be for Hillary Clinton to call out MSNBC on their unacceptable behavior, you just have to know why it matters.
February 8, 2008 2:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
i cant believe what im reading here ....you obama people are sick and because of all this obama crap i have changed my mind and will vote for hillary....between the blogs hateful commments and msnbc,,,,i am ready to throw up....the pimp statement was outlandish and completely uncalled for ....and i dont care who your backing this crap should not be tolerated.....hillary said she would back whomever the canditate is ,,,,,obamas wife dosnt want to ,,,,,he says his followers wont back her .....talk about dividing a party...when HRC said she wanted the fla and mich delagates to be seated obama screamed she was trying to change the rules....now obama wants to stop the super delagates because he could lose them so he wants to change the rules ..........WHAT A HYPOCRITE
February 8, 2008 3:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, Barack won't go on FoxNews, Hillary won't go on MSNBC. If only CNN says something reprehensible we'll get nothing but PBS debates from here on out. And wouldn't that be awesome? C'mon CNN! Screw up!
February 8, 2008 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I second the Jim Lehrer idea. Why hasn't he had a shot at a debate yet?
February 8, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
How does this compare to how Bill Clinton behaved and spoke about Mr. Lewinski's daughter. Did Hillary get outraged when Bill lied about about his affair with Monica, and called her "That woman". Monica was about the same age then, as Chelsea is now.
Selective outrage is a wonderful thing, especially at a politically expedient time.
February 8, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
"That woman" = "whore"? Fair is fair, I guess.
February 8, 2008 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Kind of apples to oranges, isn't it?
February 8, 2008 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
So we are down to the Beard or Fox News. My guess is that there won't be anymore debates before March 4th.
February 8, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Schuster was out of line, and fair enough, but this really illustrates how unwilling the Hillary camp is to go after Obama on issues (or anything else for that matter) these days. She's always been campaigning against Bush, and now McCain, and now the media, and winning points for it, but never against Obama it seems!
February 8, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hell's bells, good for her. I doubt that any candidate will get much grief from the voters for pointing out what a terrible job the television news does. I like NPR.
February 8, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who doesn't? The NPR debate was wonderful and highly substantive.
The necessary thing about the TV nets debates, of course, is that the next president will be doing most of their governing through the TV, where most Americans still get their news. Ability to perform on TV is a necessary condition for winning the presidency.
February 8, 2008 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, you know, I get it if they won't debate on MSNBC because Chelsea got trashed by a commentator on that network.
But the fact that the Clinton campaign would debate on FOX news channel?
Let's just have some consistent outrage.
Shuster shouldn't have said what he said, agreed. But Shuster ain't no Hannity, he ain't no O'Reilly, or Hume, or Wallace.
Let's have some consistency here.
February 8, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
they wont debate on MSNBC but they WILL debate on fox...
that should tell you all you need to know about the Billary campaign.
February 8, 2008 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, clearly that was offensive an totally inappropriate. And it doesn't even make sense, why wouldn't her daughter want to campaign for her?
That said, the Clinton's victim shtick is really wearing thin. "Vote for me because you feel bad for me." WTF? It's so obnoxious.
And yeah, it says a lot that she'll Debate on Fox news but not MSNBC even though they've apologized.
February 8, 2008 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
All we need to know about Obama fans.
In response to a vile misogynistic attack on Chelsea the ObaFans attack the Clintons. Way to go! Yeah, the b deserved it! After all Chelsea has been what? Relatively low key, out of the gossip columns, not drunk in public... boy what a loser she is!
This from the same crowd that deems "fairytale" a racist slur.
February 8, 2008 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
February 8, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks. I appreciate the defense.
February 8, 2008 2:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks Greg for taking care of that.
February 8, 2008 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg, you're very correct in saying that some Obama supporters are calling this for what it is. Nicely done. But as usual with this stuff, it doesn't change the fact that a large subset of Obama supporters ARE using this as yet another opportunity to attack Sen. Clinton. Damned if she does or doesn't as it were. It gets old and it's a clear trend and legitimate to comment on it.
If those folks are "sick of her shtick" let it be heard that many of us are sick of theirs...and some of the posts here are a great example of why.
February 8, 2008 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
One could say "All we need to know about Clinton fans...all they see in this issue is an opportunity to bash Obama supporters."
But that would be an unfair overgeneralization, wouldn't it?
February 8, 2008 2:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
MiSogyny NBC!
February 8, 2008 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, clearly that was offensive an totally inappropriate. And it doesn't even make sense, why wouldn't her daughter want to campaign for her?
That said, the Clinton's victim shtick is really wearing thin. "Vote for me because you feel bad for me." WTF? It's so obnoxious.
And yeah, it says a lot that she'll Debate on Fox news but not MSNBC even though they've apologized.
February 8, 2008 1:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, good luck winning the nomination, much less the general election, without MSNBC which has become the best thing the left has on TV with people like Olbermann fighting the good fight against Limbaugh etc.
Yes, Matthews is crazy and what he said about her rise to prominence was rude, but to attack the whole network????
Perhaps this is her Sista Soljah moment as she pivots toward Fox News (in preparation for the general?). Does she really think that disaffected Repugs, those who detest McCain, are actually going to vote for her? She's nuts if she does.
February 8, 2008 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Kids are off limits.
February 8, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
"It also suggests that the Hillary camp sees the potential for political gain in drawing media attention to negative and sexist comments made on MSNBC about her and her daughter."
thats called "playing the gender card".
February 8, 2008 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
To be quite honest, who cares? The press concentrates on these non-issues, which the clintons love. Don't talk about issues or record, talk about this nonsense.
I like NPR too, but do you notice gregg d on the election coverage it seems like 80% republican and 20% dem. I know it can't be 50/50 nor should it be, but you would think that they would try to make it closer. I know more about mccain, romney and the huckster than I know about either clinton or obama put together.
February 8, 2008 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Finally clinton camp is figthing back against the naked biases of MSNBC network! anyone who followed that network for last 1 month will know that they hv thrown hillary totally off-board and almost salivating at the sight of obama!
Its time they took a stand and said enough is enough! There has been pattern of abusive comments from MSNBC commentators starting from matthews, shuster, scarborough, brezenski..
February 8, 2008 1:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
JTHB - oh stop it. I'm a huge Obama supporter and I agree with the Clintons about this.
February 8, 2008 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
PMS-NBC is helping Hillary indirectly with women. No woman is going to like Pimp comment. That's why they'll keep this is the news as much as they can.
Thank u PMS-NBC from HRC campaign.
February 8, 2008 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Loudmouth Chris Mathews should retire and SHUT UP.
Who listens to him anyways??
February 8, 2008 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Apparently, you do.
February 8, 2008 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
They sure know how to intimidate the press, don't they? At the beginning of this primary I was very supportive of both candidates. The longer it goes on, the more I come to understand the concerns many on the right had with Bill Clinton as president. A few rules in Clintonville seem to be: always play the victim as a way to bully the press; never apologize for anything (Bill's mea culpa today put the blame on the media's interpretations of his comments in South Carolina); everything that happens can be spun as a positive (Clinton is now the "underdog"). Cynical, cynical, cynical.
February 8, 2008 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Clintons attacked after Shuster had already apologised.
Hillary has never apologized for voting to Invade and Occupy Iraq.
Chelsey will live, and Shuster has apologized for his moronic comment.
Thousands are dead or maimed, and Hillary still claims that her vote was not a Reckless and Catastrophic mistake.
George W. Bush and John McCain agree with her.
February 8, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have been generally impressed by Shuster's reporting over the year or so I've been watching MSNBC. Certainly this "pimp" comment is uncharacteristic of his record. He apologized. It seems to me that any posturing by HRC's campaign not to appear on any MSNBC debates in future is calculated more to appeal to feminist voters than reflect a feeling that the comment constituted some unforgivable sin. Now that Chelsea is playing a public role in the campaign, it's inevitable that she's going to have some criticism thrown her way. Yes, it was a sexist remark, but MSNBC has way more likely Hillary voters than, say, Fox! Lighten up, Mr. Wolfson, and accept Shuster's apology!
February 8, 2008 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, it was a sexist remark, but MSNBC has way more likely Hillary voters
If you go read the Hillaryis44.org comments, you'll see people talk about watching FOX all the time. No surprises, Rupert Murdoch is a friend of the Clinton's and donated to the Clinton Global Initiative. And he's obviously willing to bend reporting towards his own goals.
February 8, 2008 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
hey, what are you talking about with the "Obama fans"? I'm an Obama fan and I think this sort of assault on Chelsea is totally out of line. I like the idea of the Clinton campaign making a stink about it - even if it's cynically motivated to garner support. I'm not sure how running simultaneous campaigns for president and against the media will work out but calling a little more attention to the ludicrous things said on supposed "news" programing can only be a good thing. A little pressure on the news commentators to clean up their commentary is a good thing too. I'm all for Obama not talking to Fox News and I think given the stuff that's been said on MSNBC Clinton has a legitimate complaint. Funny that she doesn't have a problem with Fox but one at a time.
February 8, 2008 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
The guy has been grating on me for a while. He is a poor excuse for a journalist, reeking with bias and lack of objectivity as obnoxious as his haircut. It's funny though, how it seems that after Super Tuesday, Shuster, Tweety Matthews, Abrams and their fellow guilt-ridden overpaid hacks -- can no longer even spell "transformational" and "transcendent." Good for them, maybe they should hone up on a much simpler vocabulary, such as "specifics" or "substantive record."
February 8, 2008 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
"That said, the Clinton's victim shtick is really wearing thin. 'Vote for me because you feel bad for me.' WTF? It's so obnoxious."
So, anyone can say somehing so vile and you can't even protest! protesting that is crying for vote to you??? what about when u obamaloons were crying foul and smelling racism in every single small thing!
talk about victim shtick!
February 8, 2008 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
what about when u obamaloons were crying foul and smelling racism in every single small thing!
There is a difference between a campaign complaining and their supporters complaining. Hillbots have been complaining about MSNBC constantly, and I thought that was fair.
Some of Obama's supporters criticized people for seemingly racist comments, but neither Obama himself nor his campaign whined about it. It's just that Hillbots are not very bright and can't tell the difference between a campaign and their supporters. I mean, lots of Hillary supporters were forwarding that Muslim email. Should we blame Hillary herself for that?
February 8, 2008 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
The comment was admittedly out of line. Still, this is a not-too-thinly veiled attempt to, once again, play the victim/misogyny card.
February 8, 2008 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
liam, I agree with you. I for one can't forget that Bill Clinton was able to smear the reputation of a 23 year old woman with whom he had sexual relations.
I don't really care that he had sex with her, and I realize it was consensual. Inappropriate, because of the power differential, but consensual. But the fact that he was willing to ruin Monica Lewinsky and call her a deranged liar to save his own political skin, makes it very difficult for the Clintons to get up on their high horse about something like this.
Hillary has stood behind Bill all the way. I find it so hard to understand. I would feel more comfortable supporting her if Bill wasn't in the picture.
February 8, 2008 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink