The top one is a good ad. I realize that as a Missourian who already voted for Obama my opinion on this subject matters very little, but I still thought that it was a good ad.

The one with John Glenn was fine until it claimed that Clinton would oppose deals like NAFTA. I doubt that anyone who cares about opposing NAFTA will have forgotten that it was Bill Clinton who gave it to us, and (fair or not) Sen Clinton is stuck with Pres Clinton's legacy. I think that her campaign would have done better to steer clear of all mention of NAFTA (for what little my non-Ohio voter opinion is worth).

How unionized is Ohio? I would think these folks would know that NAFTA was helped by Bill. I suppose John Glenn plays to the over 60 crowd--except I'm approaching that and I didn't like it.

I liked the first ad and thought it got the point across. And I'm an Obama supporter.

yawn.

why can't Hillary just provide us with her positive vision for America, her policies, and why they are preferable to other ones being floated?

why does she feel the need to push memes and modes of attack that she *KNOWS ARE FALSE* to try to get ahead? Obama has substance in addition to the ability to deliver; nobody who has done even a cursory examination of his record knows this. certainly Hillary Clinton, with her legions of oppo researchers, knows this.

we could sit and talk about the effectiveness of a tactic or ad or angle all day (the Swift Boat ads were pretty EFFECTIVE, after all), but tactics or ads or angles not anchored in at least arguable fact are, ultimately, counterproductive to American democracy. period. so let's have some perspective, and maintain some standards, particularly for Democratic candidates in the Democratic primary.

I am somewhat skeptical of that accent.

In America, when you're a candidate for president, talk doesn't cut it. You gotta roll up your sleeves, stand your ground and deliver. If you're getting beat by the new guy, if you're running out of money, if you're losing staff, and if you've lost the African-American vote, maybe it's time to consider a different career. In America, results matter. Vote Barack Obama.

I'm an African American from Ohio and I have and always will hate the unions in Ohio. When I was a kid union members and their children was some of the most racist and bigot people I ever met. Currently union members are the loudest bunch being racist towards illegal Mexican immigrants.

I felt that it was mainly because they felt entitled to a good paying job without work or sacrifice. The only people that should have union protection are people working for the public good ie teachers, firefighters, policemen, public transportation employees.

There are plenty of jobs in Ohio if you are willing to educate yourself. I'm for public adult education for anyone who has lost their jobs. Education is the key to social mobility and if union workers want to complete in the global market place learn a skill. We have the best education system in the world. The only reason for you to be employed in unskilled work in America is that you are lazy.

"I guess that's change we can believe in. as in Yes, we can"

Oh, please, not the "what happened to the politics of hope" line. That one is so when Hillary had a snowball's chance in hell.

On the Nafta debate, something that I don't get about Dems in general but particularly, I'm sorry to confess, my boy Obama. On one hand, he's trashes Nafta because it takes away American jobs. On the other hand, he says we need to help Mexico create jobs to reduce the problem of illegal immigration. Come again? How are we supposed to help Mexico create jobs without offering them access to our market? Are we just going to send down a team of advisers to give them economic pointers? (I can see it now: "I just want to say one word to you: 'Plastics'.")

The irony of Nafta is that the Mexicans don't like it either because we're now undercutting their agriculture industry. So basically, everyone on both sides of the border loves to point out what nafta costs them, and neither side will acknowledge what it offers them. Look, when you open up a market, some people are going to lose and some are going to gain. So the important question is whether there's a net gain, but this is one question that Dems don't like to ask. Instead, we tend to fall back on very Republican-like demagoguery.

Adamchaz said: "We have the best education system in the world. The only reason for you to be employed in unskilled work in America is that you are lazy."

Until we've got subsidized continuing education (and child care, and health care) for those stuck working in unskilled jobs (or those displaced from a skilled position, and unable to find one similar), there are plenty of reasons for people to be doing unskilled work. If you've done that kind of work (as I assume you have, to make this comment with such authority), you know that people *don't* work at Burger King because they're lazy. They do it because they don't have many options, or the luxury of waiting around for the "right" job.

Modern unions are frequently corrupt and ineffective; I'll give you that. But don't throw the baby out with the bathwater; your negative experiences with Ohio unions doesn't negate the larger fact of what unions have done to advance the rights of workers in this country. With all due respect, I suggest that you research this topic a bit more thoroughly.

Unless you're an Ayn Rand aficionado, in which case nothing you say can be taken seriously.

"In Texas, when there's work to be done, talk doesn't cut it," the announcer says, in a mild Southern accent seemingly picked to appeal to rural voters.

To those of you who know dialects, is this "mild Southern accent" calculated "to appeal to rural voters"... a _Texas_ accent?

"I am honored to be here with Barack Obama … whatever happens, we're going to be fine. You know, we have strong support from our families and our friends. I just hope that we'll be able to say the same thing about the American people." –Hillary Clinton

The woman is a saint. Again, Hillary will be fine. She’s just worried about us. Imagine, a day without her. What would be the point? According to Hillary, the American people are down to their last Clinton. Well, their last chance to nominate a couple of Clintons – again. The problem with Hillary is that Hillary, is Hillary. She's got balls as big as Texas. I’ve got no problem with Hillary being ready on day one, it’s day two that concerns me: http://theseedsof9-11.com

Ps. Wasn't "stand and deliver" the battle cry of a famous Union general? I mean "stand your ground and deliver" seems a tad redundant, considering the circumstances and the unwieldiness of Civil War armaments. Nor have I ever heard a Texan use that particular phraseology.

Texas doesn't have just one accent. Houston sounds alot more like Arkansas and El Paso sounds, actually, pretty latino. No one sounds like John Wayne. It's easy to tell Dallas apart from San Antonio, even without checking out the hair height. CC and Galveston have yankee accents because that's where most of them are from. The narrator could come from the Hill Country around Bourne, maybe. But more likely he's a talented voice actor who has a whole bunch he can try out.

Obama looked danged good in that black cowboy hat, though (yeah, I'm biased).

Funny that "stand & deliver" is a statement associated with making speeches. Hillary's people keep missing the mark. It's embarrassing.