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GOP Polling On Racial/Gender Pitfalls Of Facing Obama Or Hillary
The Republican Party has gotten around to confronting a new challenge this cycle will present โ how to deal effectively with either Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton without appearing racist or sexist. The party has commissioned polling and focus groups designed to test how far they can go with an attack, and where the line is between an effective attack versus one that alienates voters.
"You can't run against Barack Obama the way you could run against Bill Clinton, Al Gore or John Kerry,โ said 1996 vice presidential nominee Jack Kemp, who added a simple message: "You have to be careful."
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February 25, 2008 8:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I'm sure they'll handle it with class.
February 25, 2008 8:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Careful? Obama and the Madrassa idiocy was careful? Obama's supposed ties to Louis Farrakhan was careful? I could go on and on...I could believe this if the Repugs hadn't already begun sending out their trial balloons, especially where Obama is concerned. What crap - they'll go after either of them with everything they've got. They have no scruples - after all, they were the party that made Max Cleland look like a murderous traitor and made Harold Ford look like a serial rapist of white women. A little charge of racism and sexism is nothing to these bastards.
February 25, 2008 9:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Except those were the Clinton's smears. The GOP just echoed them. You gotta hand it to the Clinton's, they really gave the GOP a lot of fodder against Obama. Why should the GOP pretend to be careful when a former president and First Lady spent all of Dec. and most of Jan. allowing their surrogates to say racist stuff?
February 25, 2008 9:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're right, of course. Because of my distaste of the Republican smear machine I had forgotten that her campaign has actually put out all of that information (and his adolescent drug use, and reminding voters that - gasp - he's black, etc. etc.) She's disgraceful, isn't she? And I don't care if it she tries to hold herself above the fray and blames Mark Penn or Howard Wolfson or whoever - it's her campaign and she approves everything they do, no doubt about it. It was pure projection on her part to accuse him of "attacking other Democrats" - she's the master at it as we've seen these past few months. As a New Yorker, I will actively work to unseat her in the Senate when she's up for re-election if she continues this nonsense.
February 25, 2008 9:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
The madrassa idiocy did not originate from the Clinton camp according to any information I have, although some supporters and even campaign officials did manage to propagate it.
February 25, 2008 9:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
I expect that you are right that the GOP will not be especially delicate in their strategy of attack. That said, I think what we have seen is that Obama's likablity in large measure immunizes him against this approach. The Republicans are going to have a hard time finding dirt that will stick to him, just as we had a hard time against GWB. The public will cut you more slack if they like you, and voters like Obama. In other words, I am not especially worried. The Republicans are going to try a lot of stuff that is going to prove a futile waste of their time and simply come out looking ridiculous for it in the end.
February 25, 2008 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think Hillary had to play it that careful...you can probably hit up the same stereotypes and race-baiting she did.
Granted it won't work, again, but you might as well give it a try. As long as Hillary is helping you attack Obama you'll have time to figure your attack plan out.
Thanks Hillary!
McCain/Clinton 08
February 25, 2008 9:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Clintons did not play any race card.
You know the media has a sensationalism addiction, a sensationalism bias. It has for a long time. Not a conservative bias. Not a liberal one. A sensational bias. They cast that net at every opportunity. Why? Because Americans consistently, adolescently want it, vote for it, with their dollars. And so the media cast that net, and do it very publicly. They veritably set off tornado horns, "He-ey! We - are - casting - our - net - because - something - is - going - on - here - we - think!" They do it with leading questions, with clips taken out of context. They do it with debates of competing clips which they themselves selected and sequenced to create the appearance of a dispute (say, between two candidates) or a scandal which doesn't exist. Most salacious, titillating and ruinous to their journalistic will-power are the opportunities to find (literally, like panning for gold), to unearth, racism, sexism or just plain sex.
So they cast their net and you all swam right into it. Do you really think Bill Clinton is racist? Or Hillary? That they meant, intended to say or charge something either specifically because they harbor a racial bias against African-Americans, or hoped to tickle and invigorate the racial bias of those listening to them on the campaign trail and around the country?
People. Just stop. It doesn't make any sense. And that's how the net is defeated. Those are your scissors.
For any African-American politician, back in 2000, who expressed concern over George Bush's admitted irresponsible use of alcohol in the past, was that racist? Of course not. It's a personal failing worth considering as to anything it possible foretells about an individual's judgment and fitness to be president, including whether the alcohol abuse had any permanent physical impacts. If Barack Obama was an admitted drug user then it's worth asking about and assessing in the present time though it happened in a past time. For goodness sakes, it's not racism. But Tim Russert, Chris Wallace (and I don't even have to mention Rush), or any of 'em, and who work for a news bureau preoccupied with ratings, as they all very much seem to be, will ask their questions and organize their clips - they will cast their net - to where, if you are not careful, who will believe they are casting it where there are honestly fish, when there are none. Just an empty net, waiting and hoping to catch you.
February 25, 2008 10:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think this is a fallacy that shows up way too often when talking about racism. Look, the point is not if Bill or Hillary Clinton is a racist. Let's stipulate that both are not.
The question is whether they are willing to use racial dialog to appeal to racist sentiment in places like South Carolina and Ohio in an attempt to win an election. The answer to that question is disturbingly up in the air.
I think it is pretty indisputable that Bill Clinton's remarks following South Carolina were an attempt to disrupt Obama's broad appeal and to limit him to being the "black candidate". Does that make him a racist? Probably not... does that mean he was appealing to wide-spread racist views for the Clinton's advantage? Probably yes. We could bring up Bill Shaheen's speculation about Obama's drug dealing or even the most recent distribution of the African Obama by the Clinton campaign. Are they racists? No... but it is the wrong question to ask.
P.S. Reagan probably was not personally a racist either, but he sure was happy to start his national campaign on the graves of civil rights workers in Philadelphia, Mississippi.
February 25, 2008 12:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
How many white politicians get compared to Sidney Poitier? Or Jessy Jackson?
The crap that came out of the Clinton campaign sounded racist. And whether or not Bill and Hillary are personally racist (I'm sure they're not) is irrelevant. The damage is still done.
February 25, 2008 12:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think Kemp is relatively sincere about not playing the race card, but for the Republican Party as a whole, "being careful" means trying not to leave fingerprints.
February 25, 2008 11:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
That net "waiting to catch you" is not the media's addiction to sensationalism, although that is sad enough. That net is in the nature of racism in our culture. Whether the Clinton's deliberately tried to play some kind of race card or not, their comments along those lines, Bill's comparing Obama to Jesse Jackson, the black supporter wondering aloud what Obama was doing back in the hood in Chicago, and others, opened them up to the charge. And this so much so that leaders within the party were concerned enough to prevail on Bill to tone it down. He did, and even went on to apologize. That alone indicates to me that there was something to the charge, more than media sensationalism. The Republicans looked on and witnessed the quicksand of racial politics, and are now seeking a way to exploit it again without sinking themselves in the muck. That, my friends, should tell you that it ain't just media sensationalism fanning those flames.
February 25, 2008 12:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can someone post some definitive links to the cases of either of the Clintons attempting to leverage other people's racial biases or fears to their own political advantage? I could really use a replay of these incidents. There seems to be a prevailing view on this thread that the Clintons did indeed intentionally, while not racists themselves, attempt to, as I said in my first post, "tickle and invigorate the racial bias of those listening to them on the campaign trail" in a conscious and strategic attempt to gain political advantage in South Carolina and other places. I follow politics a lot. I'm a CSPAN and POTUS radio junkie. I heard the clips, at least, I think I heard the same ones you all are referring to, but I didn't hear the attempt at racial politics. So, I can only conclude I need to go back and listen again. If anyone has links, that would be helpful. My memory, as all of this is now several weeks old, of, say, hearing the Shaheen remarks on CSPAN, was that they were fair game in gaining clues to someone's character, particularly since the drugs in question, as I recall, were harder drugs, not marijuana, but cocaine. Now, I'm not an expert here, but possession of small amounts of marijuana is a misdemeanor, but I don't think the same is true for cocaine. Isn't that a felony? My point here is that drugs, laws, felonies and the like are not racial. That several African-American politicians and political leaders objected strenuously to Shaheen's remarks may very well have been racial, however, as one needs to ask: Would they have been so upset if the charges of cocaine use had surfaced about Hillary?
February 26, 2008 1:16 PM | Reply | Permalink