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General Election Alert: McCain Mocks Obama Over Iraq

Uh oh -- the pre-general election skirmishing over Iraq is starting in earnest. At an event today, John McCain mocked Obama for saying at yesterday's debate that he would act as president "if Al-Qaeda is forming a base in Iraq."

At the debate, Obama said:

"As commander in chief, I will always reserve the right to make sure that we are looking out for American interests. And if al-Qaida is forming a base in Iraq, then we will have to act in a way that secures the American homeland and our interests abroad." The key being the word "if."

McCain rejoined today: "When you examine that statement, it's pretty remarkable. I have some news. Al-Qaida is in Iraq. It's called `al-Qaida in Iraq,'"

We have some news, too, incidentally: If the war McCain supported had never been waged, there wouldn't have been any Al Qaeda in Iraq in the first place.

It's worth noting, incidentally, that recent history shows that Republican presidential contenders have proven better at using such mockery to their advantage than Dems have. George W. Bush got a great deal of mileage out of mocking both Al Gore and John Kerry in a way neither Dem could manage.

Obama, of course, is far more verbally dexterous than either Dem, so he may be able to parry such stuff far more effectively and even use humor as an effective weapon himself.

Either way, it's a bit of a preview of what's to come. We'll see how the Obama camp responds.

Late Update: Obama responds.


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Obama should say, "It's quite funny that John McCain would respond to this matter. This is another example of the misjudgement that McCain has shown in his approach to Iraq. It is precisely because of his gross error in voting for the war in Iraq that Al Qaeda is thriving in Iraq. They are a part of the problems on ground there. As Commander-in-Chief and as President of the United States, my withdrawal strategy will involve working with the Iraqi government to root out Al Qaeda. I remain committed to American interests here at home and abroad. I also look forward to a robust debate over how John McCain has helped the Bush administration mismanage the war in Iraq."

Attack! Do not play defense. Attack McCain. 100 years in Iraq. George Bush's enabler. Blood on McCain's hands...

ThePage just reported that Obama "makes sharp, taunting extended direct response in Columbus, Ohio," to John McCain's charge. The video's to come soon.

Wow! This was Obama's response as reported:

“John McCain may like to say he wants to follow Osama bin Laden to the gates of hell, but so far all he’s done is follow George Bush into a messianic war in Iraq that has cost us thousands of lives and billions of dollars and that I intend to bring to an end. . . . That’s the news, John McCain.”

The Obama campaign's response will reference Bush and McCain, I guarantee it. The point is to saddle McCain with every unfavorable item of the Bush years. The strategy, make this a referendum on the Bush presidency. By the time of the general election, McCain will be viewed as the incumbent. And any referendum on the Bush years points to a landslide in the general election.


Columbus, Ohio...

“John McCain may like to say he wants to follow Osama bin Laden to the gates of hell, but so far all he’s done is follow George Bush into a messianic war in Iraq that has cost us thousands of lives and billions of dollars and that I intend to bring to an end. . . . That’s the news, John McCain.”

THAT'S the Obama I've been waiting for!

Indeed, calling out the absurdities of the Republican worldview and promoting as an alternative a reality-based approach to foreign policy is a superior strategy to cowering to their bullying and voting along with their insane blunders. In other words, lead instead of pander. Why has this been so difficult for the DNC to figure out?

Here's the report from Politico.com:


"John McCain may like to say he wants to follow Osama bin Laden to the gates of Hell, but so far all he’s done is follow George Bush into a misguided war in Iraq," he said."McCain saw that hey could make a clever point, saying, 'Let me give you some news...Al Qaeda is in Iraq," Obama said, leaning into his developing McCain impression.

He then described the context -- a hypothetical question from Tim Russert -- and said, "First of all, I do know Al Qaeda is in Iraq, and that’s why I said we should continue to strike Al Qaeda targets."

"I have some news for John McCain," Obama continued, "That’s that there was no Al Qaeda in Iraq until George Bush and John McCain" began the Iraq war, he said.

"They took their eye off the people who really were responsible for 9/11," he said.

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DAMN STRAIGHT!

It reminds me of John Tester's (D-MT) response when Conrad Burns said he would weaken the PATRIOT act:

"Let me be clear. I don't want to weaken the PATRIOT act. I want to repeal it."
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This is a rather lame and dishonest criticism from McCain. I'm sure he knows perfectly well that Obama is aware of the existence of the self-styled "al-Qaeda in Iraq". Obama was not addressing the possibility of al-Qaeda elements conducting operations in Iraq for the very first time, but was specifically addressing the possibility that some of these al-Qaeda elements might consolidate a base of operations somewhere in Iraq on the occasion of a US withdrawl.

But if McCain knows of the existence of, not just al-Qaeda elements in Iraq, but significant al-Qaeda bases in Iraq that his hero George Bush has inexplicably neglected to take out, perhaps he could inform us about their location?

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Exactly right, but it's probably still better to hit back and go on offense rather than clarify.

What a jackass..

Iraq is a debate McCain cannot win against Obama.

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Is McCain talking out his butt again? Where's McCain getting his info? Have things changed in Iraq significantly that Al-Qaeda has been setting up bases SINCE THE SURGE/since Sept?

Sept '07: "...in a new report, the Congressional Research Service notes that attacks from al Qaeda are only a small percentage of the violence in Iraq, criticizing the Bush administration’s statistics and noting that this false reporting on AQI has increased since Bush’s “surge” began:

Increasingly in 2007, U.S. commanders have seemed to equate AQ-I with the insurgency, even though most of the daily attacks are carried out by Iraqi Sunni insurgents.

Link to the CRS report @ Thinkprogress
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/08/crs-al-qaeda/

I hope we get our in-party fighting crap sorted out soon... so we can start focusing on McCain...

Hillary bye-bye...

Greg, can you update it with Obama's response?

"John McCain may like to say he wants to follow Osama bin Laden to the gates of hell, but so far all he’s done is follow George Bush into a misguided war in Iraq that has cost us thousands of lives and billions of dollars and that I intend to bring to an end.... That’s the news, John McCain."

"McCain saw that they could make a clever point, saying, 'Let me give you some news...Al Qaeda is in Iraq," Obama said, leaning into his developing McCain impression.

He then described the context -- a hypothetical question from Tim Russert -- and said, "First of all, I do know Al Qaeda is in Iraq, and that’s why I said we should continue to strike Al Qaeda targets."

"I have some news for John McCain," Obama continued, "That’s there was no Al Qaeda in Iraq until George Bush and John McCain" began the Iraq war, he said.

"They took their eye off the people who really were responsible for 9/11," he said.

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Excellent response by Obama. Exactly what he should be saying - I think the McCain camp (and Republicans in general) underestimate this man's intelligence and fight. For God's sake, he was an organizer - he is no shrinking violet. This is going to be quite a summer! ;)

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If the war McCain supported had never been waged, there wouldn't have been any Al Qaeda in Iraq in the first place.

Greg, sorry to quibble, but al-Zarqawi was running Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad (renamed Al-Qaeda in Iraq/Mesopotamia in 2004) from Iraq since the 90's. They were battling Kurds in the north before the U.S. invaded. Your point is valid, as the group grew, expanded operations, and swore allegiance to Bin-Laden after the U.S. invasion, but you should probably address the technical inaccuracy.

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Genghis,

I don't know you very well, but I do know that you use a bit of sarcasm in your communication here.

So I have to ask, in all seriousness, are you serious?

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In this case, I am serious. Al-Qaeda in Iraq is independent of Bin Laden's organization in Afghanistan. They changed their name in 2004, but it was the same group run by the same guy. This group existed before the U.S. invasion. Greg's point is correct, but I think that it's important that TPM be factually accurate.

The point is there wasn't AQ in Iraq before the war, there might of been other terrorist in the northern regions but they were not part of AQ and did not have the same goals. Correct me if iam wrong but i recall from that AQ was fighting the Far war (Western powers, EU/US) and the terrorist like al-zarqawi was fighting the Near war (Israel and other things in the middle east). So I think its correct in saying that there was not AQ in Iraq before we entered the war. Saying there was because terrorist organizations made a loose connection to AQ after we invaded Iraq i don't think qualifies as saying there was AQ before we entered.

Also id like to mention that the 2 were not friends pre-Iraq War, so Bush was a uniter, just with terrorist and not America.

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I really wish I didn't have so much work to do right now because I think this could lead to a really great discussion.

I need to confess my ignorance of the situation right now, but I would contend that even if the same people were physically located in Iraq before the invasion, if they weren't called Al Qaeda and they had no formal allegiance to Bin-Laden, then they were not Al Qaeda's representatives in Iraq.

To me it seems kind of like saying that Senator Obama's supporters were all over the country in the 2000 primary, they just didnt know it yet.

But like I said, there's a lot I don't know about the situation.

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there might of been other terrorist in the northern regions but they were not part of AQ and did not have the same goals

There weren't "other terrorists". It was the same group run by the same guy. No doubt, the U.S. invasion pushed al-Zarqawi to focus the U.S., take Al Qaeda's name, and possibly coordinate with them. But "AQ in Iraq" is not Bin Laden's AQ. I'm not sure what the status is right now, but up until his death, it was al-Zarqawi's organization, created by him and run by him. The association with AQ was more of a re-branding effort than a merger.

It's correct to argue that the invasion strengthened Jama'at al-Tawhid/Al Qaeda in Iraq and turned their focus on the U.S. But to say that the war brought AQ into Iraq is misleading. If you mean the terrorist group created and run by the late al-Zarqawi, it was there before. If you mean the terrorist group created and run by Bin Laden, it's not there now.

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That last sentence is the nut of the discussion. Thanks for the clarification, and good points.

There is more then 1 terrorist group in Iraq. The main point is AQ did not have relations in Iraq before the Iraq War and it now has many. Also that Obama is right and McCain is wrong... again.

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Also id like to mention that the 2 were not friends pre-Iraq War, so Bush was a uniter, just with terrorist and not America.

That is true and sadly ironic.

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TPM: Gates to Turks:

End Iraq incursion soon
"It's very important that the Turks make this operation as short as possible and then leave," Gates said before heading to Ankara late Wednesday from India. "They have to be mindful of Iraqi sovereignty.


The news out of Assoc Press on Feb 24th about what Secretary Gates said to Turkey about their assault into northern Iraq, “military assault into northern Iraq WILL NOT SOLVE the terrorist problems there, calling for greater political and economical initiatives by the Turks to win over supporters of the Kurdish rebels.”


Too bad he and President Bush aren't listening to their OWN WORDS when it comes to THEIR military assault in Iraq.

Um ... am I the only one who noticed that saying 'if Al-Qaeda is forming a base in Iraq' does not require you to believe that Al-Qaeda is not forming a base in Iraq?

The word 'if' is "key" only because Obama asserted a conditional.

The only thing remarkable about the exchange is McCain's feigned linguistic duncery.

McCain is making the exact same argument that George Bush made. Bush kept lying that Iraq and Al-Qaeda were working together when they were not. McCain is also attempting to link Al-Qaeda and Iraq and be hawkish toward Iraq.

The problem this time is that we know that Al-Qaeda is Pakistan, and Obama is hawkish on Al-Qaeda, while McCain is dovish on Al-Qaeda.

Obama is squarely to the right of McCain on terrorism and therefore national security. That position is going to pay huge dividends for Obama should he make it to the general election.

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It's worth noting, incidentally, that recent history shows that Republican presidential contenders have proven better at using such mockery to their advantage than Dems have. George W. Bush got a great deal of mileage out of mocking both Al Gore and John Kerry in a way neither Dem could manage.

McCain is going to encounter a different kind of Democrat, who knows how to dish back in response to taunts. Here's Australian PM John Howard back in January, 2007, claiming an Obama victory would be good for al-Qaeda;

If I were running al Qaeda in Iraq, I would put a circle around March 2008, and pray, as many times as possible, for a victory not only for Obama, but also for the Democrats," Howard said, speaking on "Sunday," a TV show on Australia's Nine Network.

And here is Obama in response:

I think it's flattering that one of George Bush's allies on the other side of the world started attacking me the day after I announced. I would also note that we have close to 140,000 troops in Iraq, and my understanding is Mr Howard has deployed 1,400, so if he is ginned up to fight the good fight in Iraq, I would suggest that he calls up another 20,000 Australians and sends them to Iraq. Otherwise it's just a bunch of empty rhetoric.

Bang.

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Great stuff.

The only way to deal with right wing hate politics is to punch em right back in the teeth.

I really thought Obama made a big mistake when he answered Russert's hypothetical on its face. Instead of using that as an opportunity to cut down down the Bush/McCain myth that Al Queda in Iraq is the main force behind the insurgency and Iraq's ills (let alone deeply connected with OBL), he accepted their ground rules on the matter. Now he has to debate them on their terms, "what to do about AQI".

I also wasn't pleased with his response indirectly endorsing Bush's pre-emptive war doctrine, but that's for another discussion.

Still, his response to McCain was as good as you can expect considering these parameters.

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