Clinton Spokesperson: "I Don't Know" If A Hillary Staffer Sent Out Obama Somali Photo Or Not
Hillary spokesperson Mo Elleithee, traveling with the campaign, offers some more push-back against the Obama camp's criticism over the Drudge story saying Clinton staffers "circulated" a photo of Obama in Somali garb:
“We have over 700 people on staff. I don’t know if someone on our staff sent it out or not," Elleithee said. “If someone on our staff makes the point that we are treated differently by the press than Sen. Obama, we agree with that sentiment. We don’t think there’s anything wrong with this photo. Sen. Clinton has herself, while traveling abroad, dressed in traditional, local dress. And there’s nothing divisive about that."He also tried to push back at Obama: "We think it is wrong for the Obama campaign to say that this is divisive photo. It’s not a divisive photo."
The Hillary camp's earlier push-back didn't address the question of whether the Clinton camp had "circulated" the email; now this Clinton spokesperson is saying he doesn't know if any Clinton staffer had any role in it, and is saying that moving the photo shouldn't be seen as controversial in any case.
It's worth pointing out that the sole source thus far for the existence of this email is Drudge, and he didn't say what level of Clinton "staffer" circulated it and to whom it was circulated. Yet this is still commanding a huge amount of attention.















Answer v. 2.0, right on schedule. "We don't know if we did this. We have 700 people on staff. If it turns out we did, how can you hold us responsible for what happens in a bureaucracy that large? Its not like she's running for chief executive of the nation on a platform of extreme hands-on competence in running a bureaucracy or something. Oh, and just in case we did, we don't think we did anything wrong."
February 25, 2008 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Next step, apologies for a low level staffer who knew no better.
February 25, 2008 1:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
C'mon, we know that Hillary assigned Tracy Sefl to feed Drudge last fall.
I never had any doubt that Hillary's campaign was behind this, at the highest levels.
February 25, 2008 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
But as with the Bush administration, the low level staffer is always blamed.
February 25, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have had it with the Clinton campaign. I wanted to think that Hillary was genuine in her tone at the end of the Austin Debate. Now I think it was a strategy meant to build a positive connection with her, with a plan in place to turn around the next day with the "Shame on you, Barak Obama!" wounded bird routine.
For what it's worth, Senator Clinton, I will sit out the election, if you are the nominee.
February 25, 2008 2:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
If I recall correctly, the Obama campaign did the same thing during the summer of 2007. His campaign sent out a racist memo attacking Hillary Clinton's links to the Indian-American community. Obama called the memo a "dumb mistake" and blamed it on a low level functionary. What of Obama's skills to be chief executive of the nation and of ability to deal with bureaucracies then? Why is it OK for Obama to be blatantly racist?
February 25, 2008 4:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Granted, the sole source for tying the e-mail to Clinton is Drudge, who is unreliable. On the other hand, there is NO ONE denying it. The best Clinton can do is a couple of non-denial denials -- we don't know, and we're not even going to try to find out and, by the way, it's not a big deal anyway.
I agree, if the e-mail came from someone other than Clinton, it's not a big deal. But given the weak Clinton response and events of the past, my guess is there's a pretty fair chance it came from her campaign. And I doubt anyone is circulating the photo because they want to show everyone how handsome Barack is. If they didn't think it was divisive, they wouldn't have circulated it.
February 25, 2008 12:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
How could this possibly be a divisive photo? It's not like anyone has falsely accused Obama of being a Muslim or repeatedly pointed out that his middle name is Hussein or that his first name sounds like Osama. We don't get what all the fuss is about. We're just as dumb and innocent as doves here.
February 25, 2008 1:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
You must be pronouncing "Barack" differently than most of us. ;)
February 25, 2008 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lovely! We were just sending out a picture postcard for your enjoyment and personal edification. It just so happened that it was Obama dressed in traditional costume in a Muslim country. It has nothing to do with those phony Muslim e-mails we were sending out before.
February 25, 2008 1:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
February 25, 2008 1:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think they're losing it.
February 25, 2008 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
that was the apparent context of the email.
February 25, 2008 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Huh??????
What in the hell does that mean? Does this not imply that if it was distributed by someone on her staff it was done with the intent to insinuate something negative because, after all, she's been treated so poorly by the media and the fact that this photo hasn't been picked up by the press proves that they are partial to Obama? I don't understand his statement at all.
In my mind, this is all part of a larger picture and is creating a natural progression:
1-Michelle/Barack Obama (Michelle's "proud" statement, Barack's missing flag pin, Barack not placing his hand over his heart during the National Anthem) - Unpatriotic; not "Real" Americans (therefore, foreigners)
2-The Clinton campaign's weekend meme about Barack's alleged ties to Weather Underground figures - Terrorist
3-This photo of Obama in African dress, which will be misconstrued as "Muslim garb" by a segment of the American population - Muslim Terrorist
See how easily the associations can be made? And if I'm thinking this way (as a liberal Democrat), what must the scary "9/11" crowd be thinking? This is truly reprehensible on Clinton's part and I really am starting to think that these are not isolated incidents.
I hope like HELL that Chris Matthews brings up this picture at tomorrow nite's debate and asks Hillary why her campaign released it? He doesn't even have to get confrontational - all he has to do is ask what the motivation was. And Barack doesn't even have to do a thing - just look at her with a little enigmatic smile on his face and watch her twist and turn as she tries to weasel out of it.
February 25, 2008 1:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Um, the note attached to the photo, according to the original Drudge story, said that a similar photo of Hillary would be on front pages everywhere. Thus, yes, the original complaint was that there was a newsworthy (probably they'd say "embarrassing") photo of Obama that the press was choosing not to cover.
February 25, 2008 1:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
But do you see that they are admitting that the photo is divisive, that distributing it was certainly going to be viewed as negative by some people? And if they did distribute it, then they are engaging in smear tactics so that people will associate Obama with a negative image? I hope this backfires big-time on them.
February 25, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
They're saying that it's _not_ divisive. They're saying that the Obama campaign is wrong to suggest that the photo _is_ divisive, because photos of US politicians in local garb are not smears.
(True, they're also saying it that way so that they can say if it _was_ originated by the Clinton campaign there was nothing wrong with it.)
So, no, they're not admitting that it was "divisive" to send the photo around.
February 25, 2008 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Then why would they care if Hillary in similar garb will "appear in newspapers around the country" if it's not divisive or underhanded or mean or unfair to Hillary? If it's customary and no one should be ashamed of such garb and noone will think anything of it, why did they dig to find that badboy? If it's customary and normal and everyone knows it, who cares about some photo of her dressed like that.
February 25, 2008 2:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who says they "dug to find the badboy"? I think that some Clinton staffer found the picture, thought it reflected badly on Obama (either because it was funny-looking or because it was foreign-looking), and then sent it around internally within the campaign to complain that it hadn't been used to embarrass him. That part reflects badly on the staffer.
But nothing that we know yet actually means that the campaign _deliberately_ sent it around to the media, or to Drudge, with the intent of smearing Obama. A lot of the commenters here are making that connection, but, you know, that's not what the story says.
The missing pieces are:
(1) how widely was it distributed, internally or externally?
(2) how did Drudge get it, via a whistle-blower or directly from the campaign as a deliberate hit?
We have to know those first.
February 25, 2008 2:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
True, you might be right. Patience is a virtue.
February 25, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
True, you might be right. Patience is a virtue.
February 25, 2008 2:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think what they're complaining about is that this is a positive photo of Obama, and due to the negative press treatment of him, it's not being published on the front page of newspapers. They're really advocating for the press to treat Obama as kindly as they get treated.
Geez, why does everyone have to be so cynical? ;)
February 25, 2008 2:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well played, old bean.
February 25, 2008 3:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did the campaign "release" it, or was it emailed around internally? That makes a difference, no?
February 25, 2008 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Luckily for all of us, Chris Matthews won't be moderating. Unfortunately Tim Russert will be.
February 25, 2008 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is this a joke original to you, or is there something I'm missing? (It's mildly funny if it's from you, but I'm hoping this is part of a larger, more hilarious event that I didn't hear about.)
February 25, 2008 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
This sums it up pretty well:
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NTNkN2UxZDE1MTBiZTNlYWYzYjFkMzdhNzQ2N2RlZmE=
February 25, 2008 1:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Look, if Obama is stupid enough to wear and be photographed wearing this garb, then he should be fine with it being shared. Obama is increasingly sounding shrill and thin-skinned. He and his supporters are seriously setting the Democratic party up for a big failure in the fall that will make Kerry and Gore look pretty good in hindsight.
February 25, 2008 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
HE'S sounding increasingly shrill? Wow, that's a hoot! Of course, he was the one getting into a lather over the weekend...he was the one mocking her...he was the one that said "Shame on you". That's really rich!
February 25, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ya got that right.
People in this country are worried about gas prices and the Iraq war, about food prices and losing their homes and trying send their kids to college, and health care.
I'm certain it makes an impression on voters that all this energy is wasted over a stupid photo and who sent what where while the average guy is just trying to keep body and soul together. And it's not a good impression.
February 25, 2008 1:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
you really and truly are insane.
February 25, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Weaver!! They hire you back!
February 25, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
..ahem, should be "hired"...oh well.
February 25, 2008 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've said it before and I'll say it again. This photo has the potential to be picked up by the same nasty crew *cough* Ann Coulter *cough* who talk about B. Hussein Obama. If you don't see that, then you're already in a post-racial world and I bow to your wisdom.
February 25, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
What a loony remark.
February 25, 2008 1:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, Matt--I've known that you were a die-hard Clinton supporter, but I always thought you had some intellectual integrity. Until now, that is.
February 25, 2008 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hate to have to say it, but you are truly sounding insane at this point.
February 25, 2008 7:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
And here we go!
http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/2008/02/25/photo-showing-obama-in-somali-garb-circulated-by-clinton-campaign-source/
Need I say more? By tomorrow evening this picture will be plastered all over the place. I hope Keith addresses this tonite and they slam Clinton for doing it.
February 25, 2008 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah! and maybe Keith will explain how "fairy tale" came to be a racist slur!
February 25, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
WHY?!?!?!
is the picture fake???
is the picture something he should be ashamed of???
is the picture something you are ashamed of???
the correct response from obama and his supporters should be "SO FUCKING WHAT?"
shrug and move on.
just because a clinton staffer sent an email and drudge wrote it up doesn't make it any big deal. there is no story here. this is just stupid.
February 25, 2008 4:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for demonstrating a complete lack of knowledge of how political dirty tricks are conducted in this country. You should be proud.
February 25, 2008 7:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
no. thank YOU for being a pompous douchebag.
when the obama camp is playing right into the drudge smear and using it as an opportunity to attack clinton and call HER a shameful, divisive, fear-monger, who is it here who doesn't understand how politics is played in this country??
IF the pic is supposed to be a smear on the candidate's resolve to defend america against her enemies, obama only gave the smear LEGITIMACY by over-reacting to it.
why is suggesting that the media would UNFAIRLY use the pic to undermine a candidate "shameful" "divisive" and "fear-mongering"?
IF the obama campaign had just shrugged off the drudge report (it is the DRUDGE REPORT!!!) maybe the whole thing goes nowhere. maybe the original (alleged) email was right: that the media would only use it to undermine a candidate if it was hillary.
instead it was the OBAMA camp that decided to call everyone's attention to the drudge report(!!). it was the obama camp that decided to make such a big deal of the whole thing. it was the obama camp that decided to use the incident to BASELESSLY accuse clinton of being a shameful, divisive, fear-monger.
so tell me again that i don't understand how dirty politics is played. please share your paranoid delusions about how this whole thing was orchestrated by the clinton camapaign.
February 26, 2008 9:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Is the cry of "racist" all Hussein Obama has to offer?
First it was "fairy tale" and now it is an unaltered photo of himself serving his Islamofascist constituency.
The suicide bombers crossed bandoliers is a really nice touch!
Good goin Hussein.
February 25, 2008 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, since you're calling him Hussein, I really don't think you're a good one to judge what's offensive. Just sayin'…
February 25, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep, calling him Hussein is helping your case. A lot.
Umm, except, not.
February 25, 2008 7:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope you're prepared to be quoted on that, JTHB. Again and again.
I intend to save it and post it whenever I see your slimy handle on TPM.
If you have any explanation for why anyone on TPM should take you seriously ever again, after that particular comment, you'd better give it now.
February 26, 2008 4:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh come on, some of you "obamaniacs" have lost your minds! If Clinton's campaign wanted to leak this to Drudge anonymously, they could have done so very easily.
Mo Elleithee's point above makes complete sense. Since when has adhering to local customs been a "divisive" act? Obama lashed out far, far too early on this one, and it will come back to make him (and his maniacal fans) look a bit silly.
Enough of this non-story already.
February 25, 2008 1:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh come on, some of you "obamaniacs" have lost your minds! If Clinton's campaign wanted to leak this to Drudge anonymously, they could have done so very easily.
Mo Elleithee's point above makes complete sense. Since when has adhering to local customs been a "divisive" act? Obama lashed out far, far too early on this one, and it will come back to make him (and his maniacal fans) look a bit silly.
Enough of this non-story already.
February 25, 2008 1:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh come on, some of you "obamaniacs" have lost your minds! If Clinton's campaign wanted to leak this to Drudge anonymously, they could have done so very easily.
Mo Elleithee's point above makes complete sense. Since when has adhering to local customs been a "divisive" act? Obama lashed out far, far too early on this one, and it will come back to make him (and his maniacal fans) look a bit silly.
Enough of this non-story already.
February 25, 2008 1:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah. That's why the STORY is "Clinton campaign leaks divisive photo". A photo that makes foolish people like Mr. Weaver and JTHB loose their fool heads.
Look we are a nation that was convinced that invading and occupying a sovereign nation based on the FACT that the names and skin tone of its people were just like the names and skin tones of the Terrists. This was not that long ago.
So yeah, this is a divisive photo and that is why it was sent by Hillary's people to a divisive website.
Drudge, the asshole, just decided to stab his source in the back.
February 25, 2008 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why isn't the chain of custody that it started with a Clinton staffer, was being emailed around to other Clinton supporters, then came into the hands of an Obama supporter or a Clinton supporter who felt a pang of conscience about it, who then took it to Drudge? Why would it be Clinton campaign -> Drudge directly?
February 25, 2008 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
And where, if I'm understanding correctly, your name is sufficient to get you on a no-fly list!
February 25, 2008 2:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is such a non-story.
First, I agree that there's absolutely nothing wrong with or controversial about the photo, so why the Obama campaign is acting so hyper-sensitive over it, I don't know.
Second, right now the primary source for the photo is Matt Drudge, and you have to consider who his audience is. Most self-respecting Democrats I know won't read The Drudge Report, just on principle.
February 25, 2008 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bush on Plame story: "We have no idea how it got leaked and we can't possibly ever find out. It's just too hard with so many people working at the White House, and all."
February 25, 2008 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jonathan Alter: It's Time for Her to Go
http://www.newsweek.com/id/114725/page/2
February 25, 2008 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's the Clintons' version of the Southern Strategy. They deserve to be driven out of the party for this alone.
February 25, 2008 1:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
If the story wasn't true or it was just some random staffer doing it on their own, they'd have strongly denied it and attacked Obama for believing Drudge.
Instead, they've tried to deny there was anything wrong with sending the picture. This tells me the campaign was very much involved with it.
February 25, 2008 1:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
there is nothing wrong. and there is nothing to deny.
why are you and obama so embarrassed by the photo?
February 25, 2008 4:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
And, right on cue, here we go!
http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/2008/02/25/photo-showing-obama-in-somali-garb-circulated-by-clinton-campaign-source/
I truly, truly hope that Chris Matthews questions Hillary on this tomorrow nite - asks her what the motivation was for someone on her campaign staff distributing this picture. Obama doesn't have to say a word - all he has to do is smile and await her response. And watch her twist in the wind as she tries to extricate herself from this one.
February 25, 2008 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry for the double post! :)
February 25, 2008 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
absolutely HRC is treated differently than BHO. Had BHO lost 11 races in a row the media would be demanding he drop out.
February 25, 2008 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
We don't know if we did it, but if we did, so what? We weren't trying to be divisive. We were just impressed at how hot Obama looks in traditional Somali garb. So much so we couldn't wait to share the photo with...Matt Drudge.
Folks, this is your future on Hillary Clinton.
February 25, 2008 1:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not for me. Given this kind of crap if Haillry wins the nomination, I will ahve no nchoice but to vote for the lesser of the two evils.
John McCain
February 25, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wait. You can't say the campaign chose to "share" the photo with Drudge. To me the story reads as though someone who received the photo went to Drudge to expose what he or she thought were slimy Clinton campaign tactics.
February 25, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Formerly NCSteve,
I must say I'm impressed. I read your earlier comment about Answers 1.0 - 3.0, and indeed it happened exactly as you predicted. Although perhaps it is just that the Clinton camp is predictable.
February 25, 2008 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
As soon as I find out who leaked the name of Valerie Plame, that person will be held accountable!
We don't know who deleted all those emails but once we find out, this person will be held accountable!
February 25, 2008 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh please, NCSteve, don't be stupid. Are you really trying to say that the Clinton campaign could instantly determine if anyone in the campaign had sent out an e-mail, within hours of being told about it? And with almost no evidence about who sent it? And are you aware that anyone on a campaign use their own e-mail address?
If you can stop your knee from jerking for a minute, you might acknowledge that there's nothing wrong with the photo or the e-mail. It's just as the Clinton spokesman said, all the e-mail did was talk about the disparity in treatment between Obama and Clinton. It didn't say a single negative thing about Obama wearing the costume, since politicians wear different get-ups when visiting foreign countries all the time.
Jesus Christ, do you ever have an original thought? Or do you just wait until the next ginned up controversy comes along, then fit it into your talking points?
February 25, 2008 1:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm suggesting that the notion that anyone in Hillaryland below the top-tier is authorized or allowed to speak to Drudge, or would ever dream of doing so without permission is, to coin a phrase, a fairy tail. Even if she was not running the most top-down campaign of any Democract in recent memory, her pipeline Drudge is a delicate matter. That's not a room the kids are allowed to play in.
February 25, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
You mean random schmoes can't just email stuff to Matt Drudge? It has to be through official diplomatic channels?
February 25, 2008 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
ridiculous on its face.
February 25, 2008 4:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, who could possibly think the Clinton campaign might have some sort of organizational structure with a set chain of command after over a year of campaigning...that's just ridiculous!
February 25, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh brother. They haven't condemned it either. The intent is obvious - make people think he really is a Muslim so he loses support. And if anyone pretends the intent is anything else you're either a moron or a liar.
February 25, 2008 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
IF the drudge report is to believed the OBVIOUS INTENT of the email was to criticize the media.
if the email said 'if this was hillary...' then by your logic (admittedly just the recycled logic of the obama campaign) the OBVIOUS INTENT would be to make people think hillary is a muslim.
how OBVIOUS!
February 25, 2008 6:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
If the campaign has a half-competent sysadmin staff and they want to find out? Yeah.
February 25, 2008 4:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's absolutely incoherent to say it's not a divisive photo but that the [alleged] staffer had a point. That was the [alleged] staffer's point: that if there were a divisive photo like this of Hillary, the media would be putting it on the front page.
February 25, 2008 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
But don't you see that they are admitting that the photo is divisive and it could be taken the wrong way by some people? Doesn't anyone who's defending the Clinton camp see this? I posted this before, but they needed to come out, say that they were troubled by the implication of the photo, promise to find out if someone on their staff did indeed release it, and take the appropriate steps to rectify the situation. For God's sake, if the situation were reversed she'd be screaming to high heaven (anybody remember David Schuster?) I'm sorry, but they are NOT sorry that this photo was released, and they're milking it for all it's worth.
February 25, 2008 1:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Obama campaign's response used the word "divisive." That's why the Clinton campaign is using it back.
February 25, 2008 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
yes. and the obama campaign also said that it was 'fear-mongering'.
February 25, 2008 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Carol: The Clinton campaign need to "take the appropriate steps to rectify the situation"?
And what steps should they be? Perhaps to say "it is not the intent of the campaign to release this picture to tarnish Senator Obama in any way". Job done.
I'm still waiting for Obama to take the "appropriate steps to rectify" his campaign releasing pages of talking points in South Carolina on how racist Hillary is, and how she hates MLK etc. Seems like a much more insidious act than this stupid photo from an anonymous source.
Shouldn't the media (and you lot) be doing to Drudge now, what they were doing to the NYT a few days ago!?!
February 25, 2008 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with you, CarolSoprano, so obviously my post wasn't clear. I was just saying what you said as well, that the two claims in their statement contradict each other:
1. It's not a divisive photo and
2. We agree with the premise of the email: If such a terrible picture existed of Hillary, it would be exploited by the press.
It's an absolutely incoherent response. I think any competent (and not-guilty) campaign would have responded: we have no knowledge of the source of this photo and do not understand the point that the author was trying to make. We are attempting to find the source and to get the whole story behind this and until we do, we have no comment.
February 25, 2008 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
They could be saying it's a _funny_ or _embarrassing_ picture rather than a _terrible_ one. Maybe they think it's more like Dukakis in the tank or Kerry in the anti-static suit, rather than "OMG Obamas a terrist!!1!`!"
If that's what they're saying, I think that's a bit cute of them, but it isn't really an admission that the picture is terrible.
February 25, 2008 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Stay classy, Hillary.
February 25, 2008 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is increasingly sounding shrill and thin-skinned.
Paging Dr. Freud ...
February 25, 2008 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
At this point, Hillary's negative campaign is just Barack's sparring partner for the title bout coming up with McCain. Better that the Obama campaign fine tune their reflexes now so they can land good counter-punches after the Clinton campaign folds.
February 25, 2008 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
In case anyone's interested, here's the photo, posted online apparently way back in 2006, if the date is to be believed.
February 25, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
revised Matthew Weaver:
"Look, if Hillary is stupid enough to send a photograph of Barack wearing this garb, then she should be fine with admitting it. Hillary is increasingly sounding shrill and thin-skinned. She and her supporters are seriously setting the Democratic party up for a big failure in the fall that will make Kerry and Gore look pretty good in hindsight."
fixed for you, Matt!
February 25, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK, it took a while, but now I understand the Clinton campaign's position: If someone had a picture of Hillary dressed in a rain barrel and nose-glasses, it would be on every Page One. But here's a picture of Obama that hasn't been newsworthy since 2006 going completely ignored by the press until someone brings it to their attention. (And God knows who that "someone" was.)
February 25, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Matthew Weaver,
"If Obama is stupid enough to be photographed wearing this garb" - Yeah, all members of congress are stupid for following local customs while on foreign visits. Obviously you haven't seen the video of Bush in similar outfits. Someone shouldn't have to be paranoid of having their picture taken in an outfit like this because it is a non issue, unless you're trying to play the fear card.
Obama shouldn't have to worry about this picture. He shouldn't have to worry that his several thousand member church has some ties to Farrakahn. He shouldn't have to worry about not stopping his campaign to go to a black forum. He shouldn't have to worry about being pidgeon-holed as a muslim or as a support of domestic terrorism in the 60's but he does. The main reason he has to worry about these things is Hillary Clinton.
February 25, 2008 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
obama isn't worried about it. he's using it to make hay and say, 'shame on you, hillary'. he's using it to call hillary a shameful, divisive, fear monger.
February 25, 2008 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
While this photo appears to be from the Clinton camp, this is just the kind of tricky maneuver the GOPS will pull...expect lots of it as Obama grows more popular. I'm far less interested in how much more the Clintons will pitch his way (she's floundering, make no mistake about it) and am much more interested in how well HE handles things like this, because it ain't gonna stop.
The most important type of response, in my mind, is one where he realizes it's us, his followers and, even more importantly, his potential voters, who need HIS help dealing with this stuff as it falls off the pages of Drudge and wherever else.
I think he should immediately say to both local and national press, and at his speeches, a theme sort-of like "Here again, let's look directly at what they're doing! Let's talk about it." If dressing in costume is a common thing visiting statesmen do, tell us that. If the photo was taken in an official capacity, tell us that. If it's noteworthy that Clinton's people have hand-selected a costume photo only from a Muslim community to share with the press, tell us that. If it appears this hand-selected photo is an ugly and totally dishonest attempt to make him appear to be someone other than who and what he is, tell us that. And if it's the very kind of maneuver we should keep our eyes peeled out for from the Clintons and the GOP, tell us that. We're not stupid, so a simple assurance from Obama that HE is on top of this stuff and we can look to HIM for immediate support and approval in our own assessment of it, is all we need.
We can take it from there!
February 25, 2008 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rejected by the voters in his attempt to play the race card into the White House and tired of pimping his wife Michele, Hussein Obama has branched out into fashion design!
Here he models his latest creation for the stylish Islamofascist in us all...
Note the creative use of over the shoulder crossed explosives belts and the revealing neckline here worn over the limited edition Osama t.
Hand woven by 72 virgins, Obama's creation is also available in Ninja Black for that special after hours attack.
February 25, 2008 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
you are also insane. why is every remaining Clinton supporter left on TPM totally batshit? do her campaign tactics require such insanity to defend?
February 25, 2008 1:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
O we kid Hussein!
February 25, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
this is EXCELLENT NEWS!!! for HILLARY!!!
February 25, 2008 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
how severe of a cretin do you have to be to not think that circulating this photo is an obvious ploy to play on the slur-memes going around about Obama being "a secret Muslim" or "unAmerican"?
OF COURSE that's what they're doing. how can her supporters gobble Clinton talking points verbatim without so much as a critical thought?
February 25, 2008 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Show me the "circulating" and I might agree with you. But right now, we have no evidence about where the photo was being sent.
February 25, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
But but its an absolutely charming photo of Osama, I mean Obama!
Why isn't it all over his campaign literature?
How's this: Obama D.Pakistan
Isn't that as funny as Obama's: Clinton D.Punjab?
February 25, 2008 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please go away - you are utterly obnoxious and your racism is truly breathtaking.
February 25, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
how much of a cretin do you have to be to not understand that there is a difference between pointing out that a pic could be used as a smear and actually using it as a smear?
the leap you make is your own. obama just made the leap first (after drudge told him to).
February 25, 2008 4:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Would someone please euthanize this campaign? She just gets more repulsive by the day.
February 25, 2008 1:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
But they can't apologize. If they do, then it was something wrong, and they are playing as innocent as a newborn fawn frolicking in the morning dew.
February 25, 2008 1:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
eh i think they want it shown at the debate. not apologizing just means more people get to see the photo ... more people talking about it.
February 25, 2008 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
sorry, that was supposed to be to WStarr, above.
February 25, 2008 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gee, I'm reminded of someone else in power who is unable to apologize for anything he's done, even if the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary ... now, I can't quite put my finger on it. Who the heck is it??? /snark
She becomes more Bush-like every day.
February 25, 2008 2:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Given that the photo was online back in 2006, apparently, is it divisive and/or racist to link to it?
Is the African magazine that posted it an arm of the Clinton campaign (pretty early start, gotta give 'em that).
February 25, 2008 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
yes it is, dolt. because there is no reason to link to the picture or push its involvement in the news cycle beyond an attempt to play upon people's fears of Obama being a secret Muslim or "too black" or "too foreign".
conveniently leaving out the context in which the Clinton campaign is pushing this picture will not help your argument.
February 25, 2008 1:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Where's the _pushing_? You're just skipping over the part where you show that the Clinton campaign wanted it sent out. Why wasn't it a whistle-blower who thought the Clinton campaign was having a bit too much tasteless fun internally?
February 25, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
nonsense.
paranoid, bigoted nonsense.
February 25, 2008 4:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
JTHB,
Silence is golden!
February 25, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
boo_lala: the point here is that the "divisiveness" of the photo stems from the way it feeds into the misperception that Obama is Muslim. There are all sorts of photos of Hillary in hijab, and the press isn't in the habit of publishing these. If you're suggesting that the press would knowingly take a photo of Hillary out of context in order to fuel a perception of her it knows not to be true, I think you're wrong.
February 25, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you, Casey - I was just about to reply and you said it better than I.
February 25, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
caseymc,
See my response above. I was trying to make the same point and obviously was not clear since both you and CarolSoprano misunderstood me. I was just saying the Clinton press release was self-contradicting.
February 25, 2008 2:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
boo_lala--you're right, I did misinterpret your post. Sorry!
February 25, 2008 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
that's rich! really.
all of the press on hillary is truthful and even-handed. yeah, right. all of the negative perceptions of hillary that are fueled by the press (and that you've bought into) are absolutely truthful and never the product of the right-wing smear machine.
wow.
February 25, 2008 4:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
fkaZk0sm0:
I'm not suggesting that all of the press on Hillary is truthful and evenhanded. What I'm saying is that the mainstream press (blogs are an entirely different story) isn't in the habit of publishing photos that feed into Hillary-bigotry the way this photo feeds into Obama-bigotry.
February 25, 2008 4:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
and i am saying you are delusional.
February 26, 2008 9:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Lets just hope this is all over in a week and the Dems (Clinton...) can stop handing the Repubs ammunition.
After a slow week last week, I am glad to see the Obama campaign on top of these things.
Tomorrow's debate should be interesting.
I used to like Hillary, although was more for Obama but now I am just for Obama and Hillary makes my skin crawl - that all happened this weekend. (although the Hillary rash started just before SC and then went away, but now it is back with a vengence)
February 25, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
frankly,
The photo is not "divisive", a Democratic campaign sending emails to news organizations saying "ZOMG look at the scary picture! He'll never get elected" is devisive. Any more questions?
February 25, 2008 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why don't you admit that all you have is the Drudge Report as the basis for whatever you are saying?
You have in fact no idea who said what to whom, and yet you talk as if you know exactly what went on.
Look, one point behind the apparently long history online of this photo is that, no matter what, the photo can hardly be claimed to be some non-public photo that the Clinton campaign is suddenly springing on the world. It's been around for the full duration of the campaigns, at least.
Since I have no idea what if anything any Clinton staffer might have added to this, I'm not going to draw further conclusions. I doubt that at the upper levels of the Clinton campaign that they do either, given the absurdly thin, and likely distortive, description found on Drudge.
Of course, the Obama side can't wait for facts, can it?
February 25, 2008 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
See, thing is, that whole part about the campaign "sending emails to news organizations"? You don't know that. You _think_ that's what happened because of the word "circulated."
February 25, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
It doesn't matter how American Politicians and officials choose to dress when they are guests of other nations. When in Rome, you know the rest of it.
You have to show respect to gain respect. Dressing in the traditional attire of the nation or place that you are visiting is merely being a respectful cultural visitor, and is far more likely to win more friends for America than just dictating our demands from afar.
What the Clintons were doing was trying to create an impression that Obama is too Muslim like. That is why you were fed the term "Muslim garb" which was clearly false, but intended to create a pejorative impression.
Remember the Clintons have already played the Obama Muslim smear card before. It is not like this picture pushing by them was not preceded by similar gutter tactics.
February 25, 2008 1:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fed by whom? I thought that was Greg's own interpretation.
February 25, 2008 2:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is really silly. Who really cares. He visited a foreign country and got dressed in the native dress. I bet there are pictures of clinton doing the same thing when she got all that foreign policy experience in the 90's. No big deal.
The fact that the clintons are pushing it reflects more negatively on them than on obama. Talk about tone deaf. Kinda like mattie, I wonder if she/he is a clinton staffer. In the end, she will be jetting to the french riviera on 3/5 to cry in her champagne.
February 25, 2008 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
that the clintons are, as you say, 'pushing it' is NOT, as you say, 'a fact'.
February 25, 2008 4:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
It means they watched Saturday Night Live this weekend. That's where they're getting a new rallying call, Saturday Night Live. What a campaign. Einsteins, these people are.
February 25, 2008 1:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
That one makes me giggle too. Since when did SNL become a key endorsement to tout?
Hillary must be proud to be in the same category as Huckabee/Colbert.
February 25, 2008 2:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are terrific. What a great intelligent voice to find here. Thanks so much.
February 25, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is it me or could this just be the DUMBEST possible thing for her campaign to put out there the day before she has to sit in front of Matthews and Russert.
Anyone who honestly thinks that there's nothing wrong with putting out this two year old photo at this point of the campaign; and that it's the Obama camp that's reading the offensiveness into this is a bald faced liar. Wasn't it Hillary that was just screaming (yes, screaming) about Rovian tactics on saturday and then this is her response.This isn't going to work for her. This isn't 2000 or 2004. This crap ain't gonna fly.
I've always thought that the upside for HRC's comeback in NH was that the drawn out campaign was going to make him a tougher campaigner come the fall. It has.
February 25, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
No shit. It looks so bad, it almost makes you think that her campaign... _wasn't_ trying to put something out there.
February 25, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
oh no. hillary hand delivered the pic to drudge herself. that's a FACT. i mean, nobody so much as licks a stamp in the clinton campaign without hillary approving it. we KNOW that.
February 25, 2008 4:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
This whole thing is so Rovian. Drudge and Rove are in bed together(figuratively and literally).
The Republicans are the only that benefit from this photo.
February 25, 2008 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I suppose one "innocent" way of pushing back for Obama is to show this photo:
http://www.hillaryproject.com/images/ibrowser/oldhillary.jpg
with her age at the time of election (61)
And compare it with this photo:
http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/resources/graphic/large/ObamaBarack.jpg
with his age at the time of election (47)
You can even add a photo of Popeye if you like"
http://punchup.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/john_mccain.jpg
February 25, 2008 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I suppose one "innocent" way of pushing back for Obama is to show this photo:
http://www.hillaryproject.com/images/ibrowser/oldhillary.jpg
with her age at the time of election (61)
and remind people that the presidency ages people.
February 25, 2008 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
You can even add a photo of Popeye if you like
http://punchup.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/john_mccain.jpg
February 25, 2008 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now the real news story here and necessary follow-up is that the clintons' campaign said that they have 700 people on staff. So, are they getting paid or are they receiving IOUs? Can you follow-up on that one greg? Now that would be news.
February 25, 2008 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
frankly,
Had the Clinton campaign simply responded with
"We have no problem with Senator Obama in this dress and if the email attributed to our staff is accurately reported they do not represent the views of Clinton for America"
We wouldn't be having this conversation. The issue would be dead in the water. Did that happen? nope.
February 25, 2008 2:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, so what you're saying is that the Clinton campaign should take what's reported in the DrudgeReport as something that they must take seriously and as non-distortive even before they have any idea what really went on?
Sounds like an Obama supporter alright, with an implicit trust in the Drudge Report and the tooth fairy.
February 25, 2008 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
yep. using the right-wing smear machine to slam hillary.
next thing you know they'll be using right-wing talking points to smear her health care plan....
or using right-wing hysterics to undermine social security....
February 25, 2008 4:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
For the record: the picture was taken in Kenya, not Somalia. I am amazed at how shoddy the reporting on subject has been by TPM. I had to pound them for long time before they finally dropped the "Muslim garb" label, and they have not had they journalistic decency to post a formal explanation of how the came up with that label, or why they finally retracted it. I have lost a lot of respect for TPM because of how they have handled their reporting on this subject.
February 25, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Kenya's not a Muslim country. Jeez. If you people here think it is, what's going to happen with the NewsMax readers?!!!
February 25, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I will ask again - what in the name of all that is holy is the reason for distributing the photo, at this particular moment in time, if not for nefarious reasons and if not to remind people of Obama's supposed Muslim connections (or at least make some people feel uneasy)? It's not like he just went on the trip. I have yet to see one person here (or elsewhere) defend the re-release of this photo with any rational reason why. There are lots of excuses (yes, I know the photo has appeared on the net before - in 2006) but no explanations or rationalizations that make any sense whatsoever.
February 25, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who is "releasing" it? Why is that the right word? Why aren't you also suspicious that a story like this breaks in a way that embarrasses the Clinton campaign at an inconvenient moment?
February 25, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, the only thing that might have been "released" is not the photo - which apparently has been at most one link away since 2006 - but some supposed emails from some alleged Clinton staffers, perhaps to each other, for all even Drudge says (if it were to news organizations, why wouldn't he make that claim explicitly? - he's too responsible to do that?)
One wonders, what was the ultimate source of those purported emails to Drudge? Might some disaffected person in the Clinton campaign have forwarded it to the Obama campaign, which then forwarded it to Drudge?
Until we know more about the story, who can pretend to know for sure that this hasn't happened, or something equally exculpatory for the Clinton campaign?
Isn't that why people wait for actual facts before they make condemnations?
February 25, 2008 2:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
To which I would add . . .
Why release it on *the day* both Clintons . . . one in a speech in Washington, the other in Ohio . . . are publicly addressing the issues of Foreign policy (translation: agression against other countries) and National Security (agression against the domestic population).
Could it have been more coordinated?
February 25, 2008 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
And how do you know that this was SENT OUT by the Clinton campaign? Because Drudge said so?? Is that it?? You have a very low threshold for evidence here.
The National Examiner ran this photo in their Feb. 4th edition magazine. Drudge said he "OBTAINED" an email from a Clinton staffer. He DID NOT say he "RECEIVED" an email from a Clinton staffer. I know when I get an email, I receive it. I don't obtain it. This suggests that he got it in a rather roundabout way, no???
So he "OBTAINED" and email where one staffer was commenting to another "Wouldn't we be seeing this on the cover of every magazine if it were HRC?"
I can easily imagine one staffer complaining to another about the unfair press coverage she has received. Doesn't mean they were pushing this story externally. In fact, Drudge's choice of words indicates that this did not happen.
February 25, 2008 2:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you, wasabi, for a voice of necessary skepticism.
February 25, 2008 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right wasabi.
Intelligent people wait for the facts.
The Obama campaign and its supporters at TPM condemn first, as if they really know what happened, and wait for facts later.
February 25, 2008 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Again, the Clinton campaign didn't condemned the obvious intent of releasing the photo to reinforce the "Obama is a Muslim" rumor-mongering. If they haven't condemned it as inciting bigotry then no amount of wordplay from her or her supporters will get around the fact that they are doing something we would all condemn from a Republican.
February 25, 2008 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
what are you talking about?? they HAVE said that there is NOTHING WRONG WITH THE PICTURE. the only people saying that there is some bigotry angle here is the obama camp.
February 25, 2008 5:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
This photo and the turmoil over it will be a major feature of the evening news, and the cable discussion shows on TV. I am willing to believe that 90% of the voting age population will see the photo for what it is, a simple courtesy on Obama's part to a request by his hosts. The other 10%, abetted by carefully phrased insinuations by Fox TV people especially, will see this photo as confirmation of their fears that Obama is a Muslim or someone who deserved a CNN poll on how patriotic he really is.
Whatever swill is coming out now against Obama is a bare fraction of the slime which will be thrown against him if he is the nominee. The Republicans ran a racist TV ad against Harold Ford in the 2006 TN senate race. It will be worse for Obama when the presidency is on the line.
February 25, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Q.E.D.
February 25, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
For running a deft campaign, Sen. Obama fumbled the ball.
He should have addressed the photo, not some underling.
He should have said.
"I imagine many of you have seen a photo of me dressed in traditional Kenyan garb. You know, I don't know how it came to be circulated, but I'm glad it was. As a matter of respect, to the local culture and to the elders, I wore the traditional garb during a 2006 trip that I took to Africa. This is the kind of constructive engagement that you can expect if I am privileged to be your President. I will not mock other cultures; I will respect them. I will not be afraid to engage foreign leaders; I will embrace them when we share common goals, and where the act will enhance US security. This is the kind of change you can expect."
February 25, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe he'll address it today at one of his rallies or tomorrow evening during the debate.
February 25, 2008 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. I think his campaign handled this in the worst manner possible. He could have used it to buttress his claim to having a more positive engaging foreign policy, but instead chose to go in attack mode with the "shameful offensive fear-mongering" tactic. If they knew the photos were out there, and they've been in the gossip mags for a while, why were they not prepared for a response? People will start thinking that this is something he is ashamed of or needs to keep hidden.
February 25, 2008 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Have you stopped into the clue shop lately? I hear they sell clues real cheap these days.
News flash, bub: Obama's people are far too smart to react with righteous indignation at this crap, since this
1. only draws more unwanted attention to it and
2. plays into the Clinton bullshit about Obama trying to play the race card. (Even though all that crud back in South Carolina was defecated out by the Clinton campaign, not by Obama's campaign.)
Funny thing is, as an ex-Edwards supporter, I and most of the people around me would have been perfectly fine just a few weeks ago supporting Hillary as the nominee. Now, not anymore. Not after they've shown their true colors.
February 25, 2008 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Frankly,
Simply: Regardless of the source in the drudge report it should be super easy for the Clinton campaign to put the issue to bed by saying they disagree with what's in the report, regardless of the source. The sad point is, the Clinton campaign has become so dirty (implying Obama as domestic terrorist on their website yesterday?) that it's not hard to see this coming from them.
Why am I bothering to type this? It's the electronic equivilant of talking to a brick wall I'm sure.
February 25, 2008 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
the clinton campaign has responded to the actual CONTENT of the email in question. and they DON'T disagree with the CONTENT because there is nothing in the CONTENT of the report that is objectionable.
just because the obama camp accuses the clinton camp of some sort of divisive fear-mongering doesn't mean that there is any divisive fearmongering that the clinton camp should apologize for.
its just a variation on the 'when did you stop beating your wife' routine: 'why won't you apologize for beating your wife?'
February 25, 2008 5:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Someone (a new troll) was shilling this photo all last night at Eschaton, with the additional claim that it was taken on Sept. 11, 2006. Not surprisingly, the troll provided no information on where the photo was taken or under what circumstances. I figured it was just a stupid photoshop production.
It's obvious that somebody devised a somewhat organized dissemination effort beginning yesterday.
February 25, 2008 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, for God's sake. We're splitting hairs here with "Kenya is not a Muslim Country", "Drudge didn't say Muslim Garb", "Obama is not dressed in Muslim garb". How many people in this country do you suppose are educated in the finer points of African traditional dress? Can we not agree that some people will have a visceral reaction to this picture, a reaction involving a thought or a gut feeling of "hmmm...maybe what they allege about him is true"? This kind of visceral reaction seems to be what the Clinton campaign is hoping will happen. Of course if people do a little research they'll learn the truth about what he had on and why he had it on, but they may be counting on most people to not bother investigating further.
Fox News already has it up on their site (with a convenient little footnote about Obama's church, which has been accused of Muslim ties) - you can't convince me that this wasn't done deliberately.
February 25, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
You'll forgive me but in the midst of posting your snide bitchy lies and suppositions about HRC and the American public will you at least have the decency to admit that there is nothing false about the photo nor its publication.
Hussein is the one stupid enough to go playing the race card on this and guarantee yet wider exposure. He's becoming the fairy tale.
You guys were gleeful enough about the unflattering photos Hussein chose to illustrate his flyers, this strikes me as at least as fair.
And you gotta admit that Hussein looks totally assinine in the photo. But hey, that's what happens when you pander. All American pols seem to feel duty bound to play the when in Rome charade.
Serves Mr. Authenticity right.
February 25, 2008 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excuse me? Snide and bitchy remarks? You're engaging in just a little projection, aren't you?
February 25, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Farrakhan: Obama is 'Hope of the Entire World'
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=29048_Farrakhan-_Obama_is_Hope_of_the_Entire_World#comments
Uh Oh.
February 25, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
What is TPM up to?
They have a thread dedicated to touting Hillary's poll leads in Ohio.
They even have a banner Headline on the TPM home page that says this:
Poll: Clinton Leading By 11 Points in Ohio
Second Poll Gives Clinton 8 Point Ohio Lead
They have no thread or headline that shows Obama leading 50 to 42 over Hillary in Texas. Why is TPM highlighting the polls in Ohio and ignoring the one in Texas?
Remember Bill Clinton said that if Hillary loses Texas she is through.
TPM. Time for you to start providing equal coverage to all poll results, and not just those that favor Hillary.
February 25, 2008 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey liam, this link will make you happy, in case you missed it. I think TPM is ignoring texas, because it has the makings of another blow-out.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/casey/5563835.html
February 25, 2008 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
From the original caption online:
There's a lot of overlap here, I would say you two are being a little hyper-critical -- this is Somali garb not Kenyan garb, even if it was taken in Kenya. Take a deep breath.
February 25, 2008 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, after a bit of reflection, I liked it better when Hillary took the high road and Bill was the attack dog.
February 25, 2008 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
If the american people are so stupid to be swayed by this photo or the muslim smear garbage, then they deserve mccain and 100 more years of war in Iraq. I would say the clintons, but they will never beat mccain in the general election.
February 25, 2008 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
That was the final straw for me. Under no circumstance will I vote for Hillary if she becomes the nominee. I was a diehard Clinton supporter (and defender) but have been disgusted by her tactics. The first few times she engaged in this race and religion baiting, I excused it. Not again. There simply is no good-faith basis upon which to defend her campaign's decision to circulate this photo. For years we have decried Rovian politics. To excuse this is to be complicit in the very dirty politics we have condemned for so long.
February 25, 2008 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
February 25, 2008 2:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
And you probably troll like a loser yourself on multiple blogs, questioning the steadily increasing number of people who embrace this same predilection. It's real, and sorry to burst your bubble but denial ain't a river in Egypt.
February 25, 2008 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
your charges of race and religion baiting are as baseless and unsubstantiated as your claim that the clinton campaign made a decision to circulate the photo.
paranoid hysterics.
February 25, 2008 5:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
>We're splitting hairs here with "Kenya is not a Muslim Country"
Are you saying that since the wingnuts will assume it's some kind of Muslim garb, it's pointless to counter that false assumption?
February 25, 2008 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course I'm not. We have to counter the false assumptions. I'm simply saying that some people won't bother to investigate further and will be guided by their visceral reaction to the picture.
February 25, 2008 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
As Obama said, republicans are the party of ideas. You people are so stupid to take something on drudge seriously and go bashing someone your side based on that. So far there has been no other real report other than what was on drudge.
February 25, 2008 2:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wasabi hits the nail on the head. With all the time spent hoping for change and whining, it seems to have affected the reading and reasoning abilities of some Obama supporters.
This was put out by Drudge for Chrissakes. It was put put for a reason...to manipulate the simple minded among the Obama supporters to alienate even more Clinton supporters in trying to claim it's some kind of racial/religious smear.
If you believe what you read on Drudge, you're gonna be an easy mark for republicans in Nov.
February 25, 2008 2:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
My goodness, for a group so enthusiastic about their candidate's diversity and world bona fides you Obama folks certainly do whine a great deal. I would have thought you would take this opportunity, regardless that you put a LOT of faith in Drudge, to exploit this picture as shamelessly as you did the picture of Obama and his poor grandmother in Africa. Oh, and why IS she still poor and still in Africa and not with her grandson here in America?
February 25, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have no faith in Drudge, but the Clinton response did nothing to help the situation, with it's innocent "why would Obama be afraid of being shown in a turban?"
Compile that with, "His father's a Muslim, he'll be good for the Middle East!" remark (never mind Barack himself is Christian) and "Jesse Jackson won here too!" by Bill himself.
Not to mention the accusations that Obama is anti-choice.
So, yeah, some of us here are a little sick of the lies.
February 25, 2008 3:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
That is really a crappy comment, her whole family lives in kenya and she has lived there her whole life. Maybe she wants to stay in kenya. F'n pathetic comment.
February 25, 2008 3:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's not be naive.
Two candidates were arguably hurt by the Drudge report: (1) Sen. Obama (looks silly, to the uninformed), and (2) Hillary (looks devious, again to the uninformed). Who gains when both Obama and Hillary are injured, and who has used the Drudge report as a regular media outlet for unsubstantiated rumours and gossip for years (especially in the Bill Clinton era)?
The RNC.
February 25, 2008 3:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I always thought the Clintons were beyond contempt for many of their shenanigans, but this latest act probably "takes the cake".
She can kiss that Veep slot goodbye!
http://osi-speaks.blogspot.com/2008/02/you-knew-john-mccain-was-winning.html#links
February 25, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not a joke I guess:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8630.html
I'm guessing that you, like me, associate Weather Underground with a very different meaning.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground_%28weather_service%29
vs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_%28organization%29
February 25, 2008 4:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
SCMadden..."Jesse Jackson won here too!"
When truth is somehow your enemy, your candidate and campaign are paper thin.
The pubs are going to eat you guys alive.
February 25, 2008 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
JTHB - WTF? I know what Obama's middle name is. It sounds like "Osama." I get it. They sound the same, so they *are* the same.
Do you lump every guy named "Joseph" in with Stalin, too?
In a democracy, we get the government we deserve.
But I fervently hope that we don't get the government YOU deserve.
February 25, 2008 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
That picture has been on the U.S. Veteran Dispatch on Jan 08, and at the bottom of the page they support Ducan Hunter. This is no Hillary Clinton thing that dim wit Drudge sucked you in, because he knows you will believe anything. Just go to the web page and read it you will love it http://www.usvetdsp.com/jan08/obama-lou%20tribe.htm You can read what the GOP has cooked up for Barack Obama.
February 25, 2008 4:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's a lot of stupidity on this thread, and Carol Soprano would take the title if liam hadn't already retired it. The e-mail, which has never been shown to have been sent to the press by the Clinton campaign, addresses the unfair treatment of Hillary by the press. That's all it said. Why is the Clinton campaign somehow obligated to disavow an e-mail that says what many of us think? The photo of Obama is noteworthy for a lot of reasons. Photos of politicians in funny costumes oftrn appear in the press because they're different. It's unfortunate for Obama that he has to deal with the Muslim rumors, but that's not Hillary's problem. Pehaps he should consider not having his photo taken wearing a turban. That would be a good start, rather than whining when it shows up in the press.
So someone in the Clintin campaign sees the photo, thinks "Boy, if that was a picture of Hillary it would be all over the media" and sends it to someone else. Are you blowhards really saying that the proper response should be "I'd like to e-mail this to someone, but if anyone ever saw it, despite the fact that it's already been in the papers, they might have a negative thought about Obama, so I'll just keep my thoughts to myself." This isn't an e-mail rumor or a photoshopped picture, and there's no evidence that it was being sent to the press. I'd still like someone to tell me exactly what the Clinton campaign did wrong, without using terms like "obviously they did this" or "everyone knows they did that." Actual established facts, please. And keep in mind that there's no evidence whatsoever that the Clinton campaign distributed, came out with, passed around or did anything else with the picture, so please don't try to use that.
February 25, 2008 4:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Chris,
As boo_lala has pointed out, the Clinton camp is simultaneously saying that the photo is inoffensive yet also using it as an illustration of biased treatment ("Boy, if that was a picture of Hillary it would be all over the media"). So they obviously consider it incendiary in some way and suggest that the press is in the habit of publishing such incendiary photos of Hillary. Do you believe this is true and, if so, can you point to some examples? The point isn't whether or not someone in the Hillary campaign sent the email, it's how the campaign is dealing with the outcry.
February 25, 2008 5:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
you might have noticed that the obama camp is just as capable as the clinton camp of simultaneously understanding that there is nothing wrong with the picture but knowing that it could be used as a smear.
knowing that a pic could be used by the media to smear a candidate and believing that such a smear would be a legitimate criticism (or tactic) are two entirely different things.
February 25, 2008 5:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
The point isn't whether or not someone in the Hillary campaign sent the email, it's how the campaign is dealing with the outcry.
I think the point, rather, is how the Obama campaign is dealing with it. Did they stop for a moment to consider that this was nothing but an unsourced Drudge slur on the Clinton campaign? Drudge and the entire pub attack machine know that the Obama campaign and his supporters are jack-in-the-box predictable when it comes to any imagined race situation and they used you guys like a $2 whore in this one.
Nice call by Mr Good Judgement.
February 25, 2008 7:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Indiex,
The "$2 whore" is a nice touch. I'll certainly be spending a lot more time around this Algonquin Round Table.
February 25, 2008 7:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
well, in defense of all the hysterical obama supporters they were just following the obama campaign's lead from this morning.
February 25, 2008 5:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
So Obama wore a turban and traditional garb. So what? I wear a lungyi when I go to South Asia.
I saw him the other day with a cowboy hat on. Does that mean he is a redneck?
A couple months ago we saw GW dressed up as Lawrence of Arabia. What does that mean?
I am sure I am in the minority, but I really think the election process brings out the worst in the US. Nationalism dressed up as patriotism, jingoism etc.
Hillary and McCain & his robot wife look like shrill ethnocentric white people who can't relate to anyone else. In that context, why does this picture of Obama be open to a different culture have to be only taken in the negative context?
Time for a change to being a bit more positive.
February 25, 2008 8:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am a 68 yr old Texan and I pray to GOD that the state of Texas is not so numb as to vote for Hillary Clinton. They are worried about Obama wearing a robe what about what Mr Clinton done while in office and evidently Mrs. Clinton thought what he did was o,k. as she stayed with him. The man disgraced the office of PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, and their worried about Obama wearing a robe GET REAL. We had 8ys of the Clintons That is more than enought. As for Mrs Clinton I recall she promised HEALTH CARE REFORM when her husband ran for PRESIDENT the first time
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February 25, 2008 11:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mr Clinton disgraced the office of the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES and to me that makes him a sorry S.O.B. O if he don't like being called that I am a 68 ys old Texan and will be glad to supply my address. Mrs Clinton stood by him which tells me she approved of what he did. She lied to us about HEALTH CARE REFORM WHEN THEY WERE RUNNING FOR OFFICE BEFORE AND HERE SHE IS DOING IT AGAIN. DEAR GOD PLEASE DON'T MY FELLOW TEXANS VOTE FOR CLINTONS LIES. If he says they did't lie to us what about the fact he swore under oath he had not had sex in the oval office. You have to give Arkansas credit they did NOT want nothing to do with them they couldn't even carry their home state during the election..AND NOW THEY ARE TRYING TO make a big deal out of Obama wearing a robe seens to me what he did was MUCH WORSE COME ON TEXAS WAKE UP. THEY BOTH ARE LIERS
February 26, 2008 12:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
I keep going back to their notion that pics of her in foreign garb exist as if the proposition is the same. Are they stupid or pretending to be to or just think the entire electorate is - to suggest that b/c there are so many pics of her in foreign garb he should not be embarrassed?!? As if a photo of a person of dark complexion and hers would have the same effect!?!
They're so incompetent they can't even come up w/ a coherent answer.
Let this end soon.
February 26, 2008 9:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
talk about rorschach tests.
why does it have to be about race?
and who is this THEY you are imagining?
the answers only seem incoherent if you fail to appreciate the incoherence of the accusations.
February 26, 2008 10:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
If Camp Hillary didn't have anything to do with it, Mo would have said, "We had nothing to do with it."
To paraphrase the Bard, "The rest should have been silence."
We have drifted pretty far from the issues, don't you think? Except, when we talk about the issues, it sounds kind of boring. Oh, well.
February 26, 2008 10:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
no. if they don't know if drudge is telling the truth, then the correct response is: we don't know if drudge is telling the truth.
while the obama camp eagerly implied some sort of clinton orchestration, drudge didn't even make that accusation.
and yes, obama is drifting from the issues when his campaign uses the drudge report to attack hillary.
February 26, 2008 10:19 AM | Reply | Permalink