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CBS/NYT Poll: Obama Up By 16 Points Nationally Over Hillary

The new CBS/New York Times poll gives Barack Obama a huge 16-point national lead over Hillary Clinton, providing some corroboration to the USA Today/Gallup poll from earlier today that had him ahead by 12 point. Here are the numbers, compared to the last poll from early February:

Obama 54% (+13)
Clinton 38% (-3)

And in the general election match-ups, Obama is also the stronger of the two Democrats against John McCain:

Obama (D) 50%, McCain (R) 38%
Clinton (D) 46%, McCain (R) 46%

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this is EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!

She has him right where she wants him!

queue the rocky music.

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Although Obama was already trending up, I think some of this movement has to reflect voters getting to digest Hillary's scalding "shame on you" press conference tantrum from over the weekend. That was just utterly unbecoming of how people expect a president to behave temperamentally in public. It was another of a string of candidate incidents for her jump-the-shark moment when we look back after March 4th.

yeah, at this point, she seems to be on some kind of shark-hurdling obstacle course...

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Well put

Why do they continue to waste money on national polls?

so we can look at the pollster chart instead of going to intrade.

Is it safe to say that we're now seeing real momentum?

Publicus, the National polls are going to have an impact on what the SDs do. Among the factors they'll consider are the overall HRC v. O support numbers and the respective strengths of the candidates in a Dem v. Rep matchup in the fall. Personally, I don't put much stock in any polls on the November election... it's a political eternity down the road.

"Why do they continue to waste money on national polls?"

Lots of people gamble on elections. They need to calculate odds.

Watching Obama run this campaign is like watching a young Bobby Fischer play chess. Dominating, move by move, until the checkmate. It gives me hope for the kind of foreign policy the country could have with him in charge. Can you imagine having a president who can think strategically?

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There goes her America firewall.

Didn't you hear? The United States doesn't count - too many red states and black people. The truth of the matter is, Hillary never expected to win the US.

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LOL.

Mark Penn To Do list

Submit all billable hours to campaign

Move firewall to Puerto Rico

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Chickens. Hatched. Not yet.
Stop Counting.

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Mark Penn told me that America doesn't really matter. Hillary's polling great in Estonia.

It’s more than Hillary Clinton being elected President of the United States. As POTUS, Hillary also appoints a cabinet of hand picked secular progressives, who oversee every aspect of our daily lives – and at least 300 other high-ranking government and non-government officials, both at home and abroad – all working in concert to cater to her every whim. A 10x12 color glossy of Hillary's warm, smiling face adorns every government office, and every law enforcement agency from coast to coast. And, there’s no end to the stuff you can do as president; the kinds of people (your nemesis here) you can appoint. As long-time FOB & FOH Lanny Davis says, The president of the United States can do anything he [she] wants: http://theseedsof9-11.com

I think you're right. I suspect there's much cringing in Hillaryland each time that clip is aired. I believe I've seen it a dozen times now, and not because I've been particularly looking for it. It was especially jarring coming after her dignified closing comments in the Texas debate. The mailings were relatively mild--I have a few problems with them but they'd been around for awhile and they no more misrepresented her positions on health care and NAFTA than her mailings have misrepresented his positions over the past couple of weeks. It's pretty clear this was a desperate tactical gambit, and her allusions to Karl Rove's playbook fell flat. It doesn't help that self-righteous anger isn't the biggest hammer in her public speaking toolbox.

Note that Hillary Clinton is still within 4 points of where she was polling a month-and-a-half ago. It's just that Obama's support has doubled, which is not so much her doing as it is his. Despite what history is going to say, Hillary ran a very good race -- up to and including Super Tuesday. After that -- sorry, Mark Penn -- the wheels just came off.

I don't know whether it was because her campaign was strapped for cash, or that they thought the eleven delegate contests that fell after Super Tuesday and before March 4 were for a variety of reasons unwinnable, and therefore best deemed insignificant. But under proportional delegate allocation rules, the size of the victory can be just as important as the size of the state. For example, Obama netted more delegates out of Kansas than Clinton did out of New Jersey.

For all the talk of the unstoppable Clinton ground game, her campaign's execution was quite poor. Here at my precinct caucus, there was little sign of any organized effort by or for Hillary. In one state after another Hillary lost, by increasing margins, without even acknowledging that this was happening -- even after the votes were counted.

Did Mark Penn even understand the arcane Texas delegate-allocation rules -- rules that make that state such an uphill fight for her -- at the time that Texas was selected as one of her "firewall" states? That is incredible incompetence, but it almost doesn't matter. A month is just way too long to let your opponent's fires burn.

It's a national trend there is no more big or small states.

Obama is working very well in TX don't miss him
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Sen. Christopher Dodd to endorse Obama

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080226/ap_on_el_pr/obama_dodd

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Cool, thanks for the link.

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That's 10 for Obama, and 13 for Clinton, to date, as far as sitting Senators are concerned, yes? 26 to go? Who's next?

Hillary: Go Away, We Don't Want You Any More!

Soon she'll be hitting Huckabee levels at this rate..

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I literally do not believe that this poll is accurate. There is no way that obama has a 16 point national lead over clinton. No freaking way. At most it's probably a couple of points one way or the other, not 16. The race on a national level is too close.

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You might want to cue it, actually — rather than line up for it in Great Britain!

Will the media still treat her like a legitimate contender after March 4th?

Mark Penn told me that America doesn't really matter. Hillary's polling great in Estonia.
Well, at least among white Estonian female Spanish-speaking union members aged 80 years and older making $23,000 a year or less.

It's all about the Microtrends™, baby! Hillary '08!

At the risk of sounding like a scold, as a Dem and as an Obama supporter, I need to make two points:
1. The trends are looking good, but the elections (primary and general) are not over. Stop gloating.
2. Hillary Clinton will be a vital part of the governing majority for the next few years as we clean up the disgraceful Bush mess. Criticize her campaign if you must, but remain civil. It's good manners and good politics.

That is all.

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There am too! On one hand, you has Ohio, Texas, Pennsylvania. Them is many large. On the other there be Idaho, North Dakota and Arkansas, which is much small.

Good point danimal. Though, the way she, and her campaign, have behaved the last 3 days, I'm not sure how vital a part of the governing majority she will be.

I think at this point, she's hurting not just her chances for the Democratic nomination for the Presidency, but her ability to continue as a respected leader of the Democratic party.

I agree. Her self-righteous anger over a pretty standard mailing seemed out of tune, and the Karl Rove reference was way over the top.

To compare a mailing that she herself might have sent in different circumstances to the whispering campaigns and other filthy Rovian tricks is like invoking Hitler in a debate - you pretty much lose the moment you've done it, because it's obvious you're grasping at straws. It reminded me of the first President Bush's hysterical speech about spotted owls, when it was becoming clear that he was going to lose to Bill Clinton.

Obama does better than Hillary in national polls against McCain only because he has strong support in insignificant states, no?

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