Another Version Of The Goolsbee Story From ABC News
Below we noted that The New York Observer had gotten Austan Goolsbee to deny that he'd had any conversations with any Canadian official about whether Obama's NAFTA stump talk was mere "campaign rhetoric," as Canada TV reported.
“It is a totally inaccurate story,” Goolsbee told The Observer “I did not call these people and I direct you to the press office.”
But ABC News reached Goolsbee, too, and they had a different conversation:
ABC News' Jennifer Parker spoke to Goolsbee, a University of Chicago economics professor, Thursday who would not confirm or deny that he had a conversation with Georges Rioux, the Canadian Consulate General in Chicago. Rioux, in meetings this week in Ottawa, would also neither confirm nor deny any conversation took place. Both men did say that they know each other.
So, according to ABC, neither of those two men would confirm or deny whether they talked. The Obama campaign has a statement out today that doesn't explicitly mention Goolsbee, but said the story is "not true," and added that "no one at any level of our campaign, at any point, anywhere, who said or otherwise implied Obama was backing away from his consistent position on trade."















Senate Intelligence Committee Chair Rockefeller just endorsed Obama!
February 29, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is this episode, or non-episode, depending on which day of the week it is and which media organization talks to Goolsbee, getting play time in Ohio?
February 29, 2008 2:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
This seems to me like precisely the right question. I notice that CNN is giving it no coverage on their website (I assume that means that it is also not in the rotation of their television coverage); MSNBC likewise; nothing on FOX; the Cleveland Plain-Dealer is giving this story no coverage, but is instead focussing on Caroline Kennedy campaigning for Obama in OH; the Toledo Blade buries this story way down under its endorsement of Obama; no mention at all in the Cincinnati Enquirer.
In other words, for all the noise we are making about it here, it is not obvious to me that this story is actually in front of any more than a handful of Ohio eyeballs.
February 29, 2008 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
ABC is really turning into a hit squad for Hillary. They are lucky Obama doesn't through fits like her ;)
February 29, 2008 3:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is not new for the network. On the program This Week, George Stephanopoulos (former Clinton staffer) and Cokie Robersts have been promoting the Clinton campaign and denigrating Obama since it started to look like he was pulling ahead of her. Somewhat strangely, George Wills, the "conservative" on the program is the one who has been most objective about the Democratic primary, and as a result has been calling things somewhat accurately...
February 29, 2008 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
The campaign statement is categorical and unambiguous, but the lack of candidness by the parties at the center of the conversation is fishy. Their silence puts the story in a tenuous state of hibernation, but it doesn't quite kill it.
February 29, 2008 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yawn.
Can we also hear what Goolsbee said about this to his mother? What does Buffenbarger say about this latest development? This story is scintilating!
February 29, 2008 3:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
On a different note - Obama is supporting a bill that will help McCain and his "natural born citizen" problem. This shows great leadership from Obama.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/02/29/obama_backs_law_to_ensure_mcca.html
February 29, 2008 3:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
While I have no problem with Senator McCain running for president, I do have to wonder if a Senate bill alone fcan legally amend the Constitution. I think that a Supreme Court ruling on his eligibility is what is required.
February 29, 2008 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
err---throw fits.
February 29, 2008 3:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
As I previously noted: Goolsbee is so busted it's not even funny.
This is proving to be an interesting stick stuck into the gears of the well-oiled Obama machine.
February 29, 2008 3:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, this is getting no play in Ohio and little play other than TPM and ABC News. Everyone else realizes this is a non-story, much like the Drudge story from a couple days ago which people got worked up about before realizing there wasn't much to it.
February 29, 2008 3:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do you want them to both reject & denounce the story?
February 29, 2008 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's Friday isn't it? I think on Fridays we're supposed to both renounce and deject the story.
February 29, 2008 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Clinton campaign's certainly pushing it. I expect it to grow legs by Sunday at the latest. The whole thing makes no sense. Why would a campaign adviser tell someone outside the campaign that the candidate was basically lying? I just don't get it. I pray these people can straighten this thing out quick.
February 29, 2008 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
One thing to note is that the story from the Observer was posted today and is unambiguous.
Goolsbee Denies Canadian NAFTA Story
by Jason Horowitz | February 29, 2008
I just spoke very briefly to Austan Goolsbee, the Obama campaign economic advisor who CTV has identified as the aide who purportedly suggested to the Canadian government officials that Obama’s harsh rhetoric against NAFTA was less than heartfelt. I asked Goolsbee if any such meeting or call had taken place.
“It is a totally inaccurate story,” he said. “I did not call these people and I direct you to the press office.”
The Obama campaign, and Obama himself, have also said the story isn't accurate, but have mostly avoided specifics about the call itself.
The Clinton campaign, correctly sensing an opportunity to make hay of this in labor-centric Ohio, is apparently unsatisfied with those denials, and will have a conference call on the CTV report at noon.
February 29, 2008 3:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Clinton campaign, correctly sensing an opportunity to make hay of this in labor-centric Ohio, is apparently unsatisfied with those denials, and will have a conference call on the CTV report at noon.
Posted by Vishous
What's kind of funny about this is that the Clinton camp was accused of doing the same thing as the Obama camp, but their denial has been allowed to go unchallenged.
Maybe the Canadian media practices reverse Clinton rules. I mean they do use the metric system up there and they've got Tim Hortons so... I'm just sayin.
February 29, 2008 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!
February 29, 2008 4:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Funny, I was thinking it was excellent news for Obama.
Because it shows his integrity and leadership and how he's a really spiffy speaker and everyone who works for him is also honest and super-full of integrity, and it further demonstrates that the Clintons are playing the race card because this is obviously another desperate attempt of a losing campaign...
Oh never mind.
February 29, 2008 4:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Does one side of Goolsbee's mouth talk to the other side?
February 29, 2008 4:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
It looks like Goolsbee didn't want to lie to ABC, thinking the whole thing would blow over anyway. Then after a little chat with Mr. Axelrod he decided he had better get a denial on the record pronto. It smells pretty bad, but then so does the American press corps, being solidly lodged in the Obama hindquarters. The media will do their best to keep this contained.
February 29, 2008 4:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's funny is that Hillary supporters are trying to drag this story out, but Obama has denied it. The Canadian Gov't has denied it. CTV stands by their story, after "talking" to an advisor that didn't use the proper channels nor had the authority to say anything (and may not have said anything at all).
The Nat'l media is going to demand proof before making a big deal about this. It's a story, that even if it is partially true, is going nowhere.
On the other hand, Hillary's little Texas ad she ran this morning looked an awful lot like an ad we may have seen somewhere else and is starting to pick up speed in the blogosphere (and just might have been emailed to the MSM) ;)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/29/155558/168/352/466445
February 29, 2008 4:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Seriously, does anybody believe that Goolsbee was telling the truth anymore in his supposedly "categorical denial"?
If the man were on the witness stand waffling like this about what he himself said just a few days ago, he'd be toast. The jury wouldn't be able to contain their snickering at his antics.
February 29, 2008 4:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, now I call bullshit, Greg. You are just trying to give this story legs to keep it from dying this cycle, when it was killed repeatedly yesterday and then killed again today BEFORE the event you just reposted at 2:38 PM.
Around 1 PM, you linked to Goolsbee's flat denial to the Observer, which was issued this morning, Feb. 29. Then, and hour and a half LATER today, you linked to Goolsbee's refusal to comment LAST NIGHT, Feb. 28, to an ABC reporter which had been available for over five hours when you first mentioned the Observer piece.
So, by posting the today's denial first, and yesterday's refusal to comment second, without disclosing the true chronology, you created the bogus impression that somehow the ABC news report contradicted this morning's denial to the Observer. A "no comment" yesterday somehow contradicted the categorical denial today? That is just BS.
And none of this manipulation of quotes, refusals to comment, denials and refutations has produced ANY corroboration that any allegation by CTV has any merit concerning comments by Democrats about NAFTA. The only story here is that CTV was corrupted, either knowingly or unwittingly, by Tory assholes in Canada attempting to sabotage the Democratic front runner. Nobody laid a glove on Obama, so just quit wasting our time.
February 29, 2008 4:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fractal,
You are rather forgetting, aren't you, that in each case, it's the same Goolsbee who's supposedly flatly denying the accusation in one case, and in another case a few hours removed pointedly refusing to deny or confirm.
Look, the man is simply reporting on a conversation he himself had only a few days ago. He can't possibly be unaware of to whom he himself was talking, and whether the relevant, highly explosive topic came up. What could he possibly know at one point today that he didn't at another?
The man is obviously dissembling all over himself. And now you would seem to be dissembling for him.
February 29, 2008 5:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
frankly0, there's zero waffle there, no matter how many times you chant "waffle, waffle, waffle." He didn't say ANYTHING "just a few days ago," last night he told ABC news he would not comment, today he categorically denied the fraudulent allegation.
You are fabricating evidence out of thin air, you don't have a single, consistent source who can prove anything was said by anyone in the Obama campaign coming anywhere close to any of the two or three versions reported by CTV and then echoed by you over and over as if echoing was proof.
February 29, 2008 5:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jaysin1414 you are totally right, there's no proof, there's no story there and it's not showing up on the web front pages of either the NYT or WaPo, that I have seen.
OTOH, that Daily Kos diary sure gave convincing proof that Hillary plagiarized a John McCain fan for her "3 AM telephone call" ad. Plagiarist idiot.
February 29, 2008 5:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
frankly0, you keep talking about a "conversation" that supposedly occurred. You made up the "conversation." There's no "conversation" involving Goolsbee. Show me anywhere or anyone who has proof that Goolsbee had a "conversation."
He admitted he knows a guy who works for the Canadian consulate, who might even be the Consul General. What "conversation" was admitted or proved? Show me the "conversation."
Then, step two, show me any proof that any such conversation involved NAFTA.
Then, step three, show me any proof that any such conversation about NAFTA involved discouting anything Obama said. This is all lies and bullshit.
February 29, 2008 5:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fractal,
You entirely miss the point.
If, in fact, Goolsbee had no conversation in the time frame with the man from the Canadian Consulate, obviously he would be able to verify that point at any hour of any day.
Why did he instead refuse to confirm or deny such conversations took place? Why? What could he possibly not know then that he knows now?
You can't come up with an answer to that question, can you?
Too hard a question?
February 29, 2008 5:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
err- discounting
February 29, 2008 5:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
The only reason I clicked on this non-story was to confirm my suspicion that Greg posted it.
Yep.
February 29, 2008 5:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
The only reason I clicked the link on this dead story is to confirm my suspicions of who posted it.
Yep.
February 29, 2008 5:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Doesn't it just kill you when a reporter reports on stories that haven't been pre-approved by the Obama campaign?
It's like they have zero interest in reporting the truth.
February 29, 2008 5:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
sorry about two timing that.
February 29, 2008 5:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
He can't get them all right, but this was sloppy or redundant even by Greg's standards.
February 29, 2008 5:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
you keep knocking your head on that brick wall, frankly0
you got questions, go dig up the answers yourself.
until then, you got no "conversation" that occurred between Goolsbee and the Canadian consulate. A "refusal to admit or deny" does not "admit" anything, that's what the "refusal" part of that phrase means. Refused to admit, refused to deny, which equals refused to comment, which equals no comment.
You are now pounding your head on the wall, going "waffle, waffle, waffle," saying "no comment means there must have been a conversation." Get back to us when you got proof. Don't keep asking us questions, go ask CTV, go ask Goolsbee yourself, go talk to the Canadian consulate, you think there's something there, you find it. good luck with that.
February 29, 2008 5:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
A fantastic way to avoid accountability for Hillary's idiotic plagiarism in her "3 AM phone call" ad is to keep pointing at a non-existent "conversation" with some nefarious foreign govt. person.
Just make shit up, maybe people won't notice that Hillary is a plagiarist.
Keep making shit up long enough, we'll be done with the primaries. Then let us know how well all your made-up shit worked.
February 29, 2008 5:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why couldn't Goolsbee give a denial to ABC last night, but he could give one to the Observer today? Isn't it be logical to conclude that someone told him he had better start denying before this thing gets out of control?
February 29, 2008 6:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Check this out guys. Straight from Canada!
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A "source close to the Prime Minister's Office" has told ABC News who leaked some misinformation to CTV News this week about conversations between the Canadian government and Barack Obama's campaign. The alleged leaker? None other than Ian Brodie, chief of staff to Prime Minister Stephen Harper.
Now, Liberal foreign affairs critic Bob Rae sees this as pretty serious. He believes that the Harperites are actually trying to sink Obama's campaign.
"This is Republican International in action. The Harper government is so ideological and so tied to the Republicans that they will use any opportunity to throw a wrench into the Obama campaign," Rae says in an email sent out this afternoon. (Read the full email at the end of this blog post)
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http://thestar.blogs.com/politics/2008/02/sourcing-a-cros.html
Read on, this is good stuff. Spread the word around too. The plot is thikening! :D
February 29, 2008 9:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is such a phony. "He's an inspiring speaker!" Then it turns out his words are poll tested and recycled. "He doesn't take lobbyist money!" But he takes it from their wives and law partners, and hires them for his campaign, and accepts their public endorsements. "He opposed the war from the start!" But then didn't do anything about it.
Did anyone out there really believe that Obama would try to get rid of NAFTA? If they believed it before, do they believe it now? Can anyone even define now what is the "consistent position on trade" that Obama is not backing away from?
February 29, 2008 10:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
You need to pay attention buddy. A fire storm is brewing in Canada because this STORY is a PHONY.
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Liberals accuse Tories of undermining Obama with leak on NAFTA talks
WASHINGTON - A fracas over reports that Barack Obama isn't serious about reopening NAFTA has ensnared Canada's Conservative government, which faced accusations Friday of trying to sink the Democrat's chances in the U.S. presidential race.
Both Obama and rival Hillary Clinton promised this week to reopen the trade deal in a bid to curry favour with voters before the critical nomination contest in Ohio on Tuesday.
But ABC News quoted an unnamed source as saying Ian Brodie, Prime Minister Stephen Harper's chief of staff, leaked word that a top Obama adviser told a Canadian official that it was all for show and not to take the anti-NAFTA rhetoric to heart.
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In Ottawa, the Liberals pounced on the ABC report as evidence of a "shocking" interference in the U.S. presidential campaign.
"I'm stunned that the Harper government would insert itself into the U.S. election," said Leslie Swartman, director of communications for Liberal Leader Stephane Dion.
"It's quite shocking. To add insult to injury, they start blaming the ambassador for exaggerating. It's crazy to what lengths they would go to ensure a Republican is elected."
The Liberals are suggesting the Conservatives are trying to pin the blame on Wilson to avoid criticism of interfering in U.S. politics.
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http://www.brandonsun.com/story.php?story_id=93933
February 29, 2008 11:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting link Arrowhead. Too bad the Harper spin paid off here, with a whole weekend of this silly headline on the front page.
February 29, 2008 11:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
This story keeps getting sillier and sillier. But the silliest bits of all are getting all splattered all over BO. Take a peek.
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/
http://vet4hill.googlepages.com/catch22.htm
March 1, 2008 12:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Option 1: A professor and the consul who already know one another, and both of whom will neither confirm or deny that they spoke to one another, had this conversation as has been reported.
Option 2: This is a grand conspiracy by Canadian conservatives to scuttle Obama's presidency. Cleverly, they know it is better to throw this massively devastating charge out now to the benefit of Hillary Clinton (darling of Molson drinking anti-taxers) instead of when he is in the general election against McCain.
Option 3: Look over there! Hillary has a new ad with a kid in it! Shameful!
Occam's Razor points to #1. #2 and #3 seem more prevalent among Obama supporters.
March 1, 2008 12:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
lol, ricosuave!
March 1, 2008 2:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Option 2: This is a grand conspiracy by Canadian conservatives to scuttle Obama's presidency. Cleverly, they know it is better to throw this massively devastating charge out now to the benefit of Hillary Clinton (darling of Molson drinking anti-taxers) instead of when he is in the general election against McCain."
If you followed Canadian politics, you'd realize this is more likely than you think. Because Canada has 5 national parties, the Conservatives are governing with only 35% support, and are risking being defeated any second. Their political base is comprised of Canadians who would happily chant "U.S.A., U.S.A." if only someone would move that pesky border.
At the same time, their support is maxed out, while the other parties would pick up more votes if there were a national get-out-the-vote movement. Their worst nightmare is a popular American president who would get along better with Stephane Dion or Jack Layton and demonstrates the ability to get out the votes just by showing up. If Obamamania hits Canada, the Stephen Harper won't be able to claim that anyone who doesn't blindly vote Conservative has an irrational hate for America.
I believe Harper thinks he can deal with Clinton if worst comes to worst, but I really don't think he's looking forward to an Obama presidency.
A conversation of some sort likely took place, but the spin given to it came from a party that is not known for its honesty or reliability.
March 3, 2008 4:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary can do no right and Obama no wrong according to his supporters. Can't accept that he's another politican not a stellar being.
March 1, 2008 1:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ricosuave, You're allowing your sarcasm to think for you.
But playing along with your barbs:
Anyone with a conservative agenda would hope for Hillary to be the nominee. For a number of reasons obvious to everyone except the most ardent Hillary supporters, one being that even if she did manage to beat McCain, she would re-energize and reunite the right and the whole process repeats again.
Also, this charge would have less effect in the general election, where the democrat will automatically own the liberal side of the NAFTA argument, whatever that argument turns out to be.
But hey, if you want to side with the Canadian Roves and push this thing, go ahead I guess. As we've seen though, employing Occam's razor to decipher conservative political tactics is exactly the wrong tactic. Always look for the bigger conspiracy. They're smart that way.
March 1, 2008 10:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
I encourage everyone to read this piece from MSNBC - I can't believe they're the only ones to have run this - it's regarding Senator Clinton and a 170,000.00 campaign contribution she has accepted and will not give back from a company where all it's principals are being sued in a massive sexual harrassment suit.
Other politicians who have received contributions have returned the money.
http://deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/29/718285.aspx
Barb-
March 1, 2008 6:02 PM | Reply | Permalink