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The Dem Debate In South Carolina Is Underway...

...and ominously, CNN's Wolf Blitzer, who's moderating the debate, just said that the second part of the debate will be free form. Blitzer said it will be basically a freewheeling discussion among the candidates.

We'll see how it goes.

We're blogging the debate right here at Election Central. Stay with us.


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Slow start--Hillary talked too long in opening answer; Obama stumbled and didn't sound very clear. Edwards running on about green investment. Everyone wants to throw in every but the kitchen sink for their first answer. Hopefully, they'll settle down to simple, direct answers.

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I don't know that the rebuttal by Obama was a good move. I think he's trying to show his mastery of issues, but when the question is about what people can expect as a response to the economic crisis...I'm not sure discussion of the Peru pact is really what they want to hear about.

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Workin in the mill.

Well, that didn't take long.

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Clinton's follow-up was clear and sucinct. Referencing California I'm sure is intentional. Interesting to see Obama and Edwards tangle up.

And now, Obama opens up on Clinton. But, hold on, Clinton is cleaning his clock. Ouch.

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hillary and barack are having a catfight over ronald reagan...whew!!!!!

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This is "live blogging" the debate?

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I'm thinking this is going to be a VERY good debate. (Can someone ease Edwards off stage so Clinton and Obama can have at it?)

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Obama and Hill are really going at each other...Obama looks pissed...Poor JE, he is the guy that doesnt blong

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LOL. This is getting funny!

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Hill's just went UGLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

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Nice one, Edwards!

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It's the South Carolina primary after all.

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Well, if anyone thinks Barack will be Hillary's running mate after that exchange has another thing coming.

Whoa. Plenty of ill advised comments on both sides.

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I'm trying to listen to Hillary -- really, I am -- but it is literally painful. Kind of like trying to listen to nails on a chalkboard.

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When Obama addressed some of the attacks Bill Clinton has made, Hillary said, "Well I'm here and he's not."

To be fair, Bill Clinton her co-president should be on stage and in the debate. Hillary cannot have him using is stature as a former president on her behalf and not stand accountable for what he says and does.

Hillary is a hypocrite.

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Best line of the night, was when Obama talked about working against poverty and Regeans agenda on the streets of inner-city Chicago while Mrs. Bill Clinton was a coporate lawyer sitting on the board of WalMart.

Right between the eyes, Hillary.

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couldn't agree more, swarty...some ill-advised stuff, for sure. they're back on topic now, thanks to edwards, who's playing quite the peace-maker role tonight...

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so far the winner is McCain

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Is it me, or does Hillary sound angry?

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Lost a few minutes to change diapers (4-mo. old twins). What I saw earlier, and now, Hillary looks in control and presidential. Obama looks and acts angry.

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this is the first dem debate where the candidates are REALLY going after each other...point by point, hillary notes what barack did or did not do and, point by point, Barack does it with her, too...wow. Gloves are off, folks...

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When is Wolf going to ask if any of them has ever deep fried a squirrel in a popcorn popper? I'm betting Edwards has.

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this debate is HOT HOT HOT

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...difficult to have any debate with you as you won't own up to any votes. Ouch. Now Hillary hits him hard, all these Present votes and his explanations and lack of straight answers.

Obama, now trying to answer. Isn't answering the questions about the Present votes, deflecting onto other votes.

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He's drawing her out and she's looking shrill.

Not saying its fair, but he's doing his version of hardball

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>>Hillary looks in control and presidential. Obama looks and acts angry.

Try to be a little less subtle. The spin is more effective that way.

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she's claiming he voted "present" and not yea or nay on a large number of votes...no straight answer from him, she charges. he's replying: don't just pick and choose from among my 4,000 votes and say anything to get elected, you're not making statements factually accurate.

these are the themes of these two nowadays, and it's as well they face each other and say it. now edwards is going after barack and says he picks and chooses votes about his opponents, too.

should wolf stop this now...has this fist-swinging gone on long enough?

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Pressed by Edwards, Obama still can't answer why 129+ bills he voted present. His answer "Most of these did not have political consequences." Kind of like, it simply didn't matter. Is it me or do others think this will come back to haunt him?

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Matthew said "Hillary looks in control and presidential. Obama looks and acts angry.Hillary looks in control and presidential. Obama looks and acts angry."

Evidently you missed a lot Matthew.

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Is it me or do others think this will come back to haunt him?

It's you. This talking point has been debunked a hundred times already. Catch up.

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Jim, not meant as spin. Look at now, Clinton is answering question on AIDS. She is clear, direct, speaking to audiance. She sounds and looks in control. Obama isn't as clear so far. And, tonight, Edwards seems more sniping (maybe his only role at this point.) Again, sorry if it sounded like spin. Not intended as such.

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he voted on 4,000 bills, so 129 don't seem so relevant, particularly since hillary couldn't identify WHY these particular votes would be so important. i rather agree with barack on this.

thankfully, they're back on healthcare...

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Man, I was trying to get myself used to Clinton being president, but she's acting like a major a**hole tonight and her attacks are as slimy, weassely twisting of reality as I've ever heard. I almost wonder if I'm not listening to Rudy when she talks.

I'm sure Hillary has lots of good qualities, but she's REALLY blowing it tonight.

I suppose Obama doesn't come off as bad as Hillary tonight, but frankly, I'm not sure who looks good tonight. I suppose Edwards does merely out of sympathy for getting squeezed out of a 3 person debate. Sheesh! What would happen if there were 7 or 8 people on stage. Would a Dodd talk time graph show 45% Clinton, 45% Obama and about 1% each for every other candidate?

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Dana99,
i agree with you, as a moderator, Wolf isnt in controll. Everyone is talking as they please...

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Hillary got booed. I think that's the first time I've seen that in one of the big debates so far.

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Matthew, You're spinning mid-debate.

When asked about his "present" vote, Obama explained well that voting "present" in Illinois is a tactict. It says "I'm willing to vote yes, but I have some problems with the bill."

This is very accurate. By voting present, they signal a willingness and availablity to compromise and do not risk damaging the bill's chances by voting no. Hillary wants to portray it as irresponsible. In Illinois it is a common legislative tool. No issue here. More Clinton distorition.

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ds, yep. And it was a unanimous "boo", not one cheer to be heard.

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Come on Edwards, you're smarter than that. Obama already answered your contention that he takes more money from Healthcare (or was it Insurance) companies. He said he gets money from individuals who *happen* to work for these firms. Since he has more donors, than any other candidate and gets much more money in aggregate than Edwards does, it's no wonder in aggregate the amount of money coming from people who works for these companies is Obama. The same argument goes for Clinton (though her higher reliance on big donors is a factor).

I like Edwards, but I wish he would drop this charge on Obama because Obama knows how to answer that.

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I don't know who is 'winning.' I support Obama, so I'm obviously biased at this point. All I can say is that I try to listen to Hillary and she just grates on me -- and that on top of the fact that I completely disagree with her..you know..positions and previous votes.

This debate is just reinforcing why I can't support Hillary. God, who wants to listen to that for four years?

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LOL, are the campaign operatives paid to comment here, or is it voluntary?

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Why is Obama dragging his feet on health care? He is attempting to nuance an answer that should be a simple yes/no. Worse, for him, this is a very strong area for Hillary--he won't beat her on this topic--and now he is getting himself positioned with both her and Edwards criticizing him. He'd better hope or even ask for a change of topic...

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Still no mention of deep fried squirrel. A little peeved.

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After this obnoxious performance by Hillary on MLK day I don't think I could ever vote for her. She disgusts me.

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edwards clearly states he believes every person should have healthcare and hillary emphatically states every dem candidate should call for everyone to have healthcare, after barack says his plan would not make healthcare a mandate but would make it affordable for all who do want it...

there are some clarifications needed (is mandated healthcare realistic? is that ultimately why barack doesn't call for it?)

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Yes, a question on squirrel recipes and eating would lighten things up a bit.

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Obama will be sorry he ever went against Hillary

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now onto a "rule-less" debate after commercial break! good god, is wolf kidding? though it did start sounding like a real issues-related sound-off towards the end of this segment.

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EH wrote on January 21, 2008 9:01 PM:

LOL, are the campaign operatives paid to comment here, or is it voluntary?

I was told it was voluntary. Maybe I should go back and see if I'm missing a check for all of this. ;-)

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Round 1: I give it to Clinton for being clear and prepared, sounding calm and in control. Edwards gets a good second, trying to make himself relevant. Obama got beat up by both and was clearly on the defensive and too many of his answers were not clear.

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I think Obama has been holding his ground pretty well while being attacked by Hillary (rather uncivilly, without much dignity) and Edwards.

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Why is it spinning when you think Hillary is doing well and explaining when you think Obama is?

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The Clinton spin room has checked in. Thank you very much Matthew.

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Matthew,
i disagree. i think Hill came of angry in round one. She and Obama did take some shots at each other that stung, but i dont think Hills won round one...

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Why is it spinning when you think Hillary is doing well and explaining when you think Obama is?
It's all spinning, except one group is doing it with much more urgent fervor than the other. I appears that Hillary's need to control message and perception is almost as great as Bush's.
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I'm just looking at the debate, as I wrote to Jim earlier, I am not writing spin and simply sharing my thoughts. Rather than squabble, why don't you write on what you see--good and bad, etc.

And believe me, I will criticize Clinton just as quickly as the others. Regarding Clinton, I do not agree with many of her positions on many issues.

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JE, imo, is doing very well but its all for naught!!!!

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franklyn, okay, who do you think won and why?

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this is the third time tonight that edwards said his candidacy is the "cause of my life." does he think this makes us want to vote for him? he really should drop this mantra - it's way too earnest...though i guess he's toast anyway.

barack is thoughtfully bringing up the race issue and SC, and he's addressing this stuff (and making fun of poor white John) straight-up, knocking the republicans here and there (good idea, given the reagan hoopla). clinton has sounded pretty solid so far in this second segment, too.

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Matthew,
i think Hill made her points as usual, but her tone was angry. Listening to her now, she has obviously calmed down in her tone...
Obama held his own but there were times when he wasnt clear on his rebuttals, but he went after Hills for the first time in the campaign.
JE, like i said previously, is doing well, but its like he doesnt belong there. This is a heavyweight fight and JE is a featherweight right now

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Edwards won, to the extent that he has even been in the debate. Obama was cool under fire and got some good jabs in. Clinton was back in her attack dog mode, which doesn't work for her outside of her "I am woman, hear me roar" baby boomer demographic. Expect copious 'tears' in a few days to repair the damage.

That is my spin.

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Clinton is inspiring in her 'follow-up' to the question about Bill being the first "black" president. What did Obama say? His long, carefully worded answer got lost in her inspirational answer. I am not Black but I don't think I'm too far off in that she hits a more emotional cord that he did.

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hillary is capably stating the Big Picture about the dems being problem-solvers and moving forward together...but, jeesh, can we believe this? now barack's bringing up racial justice and weaving it into his own version of the Big Picture on how great it is for the dems to be where they are here...these Big Picture talks make the candidates speaking them sound presidential...but now the debate's not so much a debate anymore but a "yeah, we do agree on this" stuff...hmm. bring back the rules...

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Yes, franklyn, Edwards is doing good. I think he does best with his short answers. But, if I hear another answer about his mill-worker father...

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The free form "debate" is a terrible idea. Both Clinton and Obama simply try to get the last word in... and neither add substantive comments in the promise.

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Yes, bring back the first round format. So much more meaningful and substantive. Now, we've got the safe campaign answers. Boring...

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do you think these candidates are more apt to debate better when they're standing up? now that they're sitting, they're way too rhapsodic about "our country" and "the real life struggles of amercians" ad nauseum...yo, please, directly address the issues again!

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Brilliant JE gambit with McCain. Knocks Hillary out hard.

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Dana99: I suspect their handlers told them to tone it down big time at the break. Hillary got a serious boo -- someone backstage drank a bottle of Maalox over that!

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Round 2: Format is the loser. Overall, I think it is a draw. Clinton was more inspirational, Obama calmer, and Edwards, unfortunately is back to talking about his mill-worker father and special-interest. He's the loser as a result.

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edwards is moving perilously close to being a cariature of himself with all this talk of "I can beat John McCain." he won't stop with this...oh, thanks to wolf for stopping it, it was almost painful!!

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Does anyone really see much difference in the source of the candidate's funds? Whether from trial lawyers, from lobbyists, from companies, or whatever, it is from someone wanting something for their money. I don't know why Edwards is so stuck on splitting hairs on this side issue.

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Loved your Maalox comment, Surname!

I agree completely with Matthew, too...format 2 is a real loser.

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Another lie from Hillary:

What polls show her beating McCain?

Also: the people went after her HUSBAND... In the Senate races: the 2000 election was odd with Rudy dropping out near the election, and the GOP ran a strawman in 2006.

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And my just asked question... Clinton is now answering it for me.

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JE question just now to Hills about hiring lobbyist is getting tired...Hill's response just blew him out of the water...JE is officially finished...

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Obama needs some serious elocution lessons. The stammer is getting bad. Interestingly JE has the best speech of the 3 of them (both Hillary and Obama say "you know" so many times, you can have a drinking game over it!)

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You don't beat John McCain by being John McCain light.

That was the clearest argument he made tonight. She has no answer.

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Excuse me-- but I can't believe how inept Obama sounds when he stutters!!! Stumbles for answers and makes them up as he stutters. Not presidential......

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i wont be surprise if JE drops out after SC!!!!

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whew! it's over...

my thoughts: Clinton sounded good for the most part, but her bad moments were really bad (snide, cutting remarks, downright rude). barack had a very weak beginning, and yes, he stutters now and then, but i thought he held his own towards the end and sounded good trying to wrap up everyone's comments and still make a pitch for himself. Between the two of them, a toss-up, in my opinion.

Edwards was best during his passionate charges at hillary over lobbyists...wow, that was fascinating. he's still toast, though, but he served an interesting role throughout this debate.

fun!

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Good debate!

3. Edwards. Make some excellent comments and challenges to Obama. But loses because of his repeated mill-worker father references and inability to move on from his question on campaign funding sources.

2. Barack. Angry, no clear answers to some questions. Lost big on health care in particular with both Clinton and Edwards challenging him. Overall, no emotional connection.

1. Clinton. Prepared, had great emotional commments. I think, as well, she spoke to the congressional delegation in the audience. Remarkable performance.

BTW, I do not think comments on Barack's occasional stutter is appropriate or relevant. And, to Goliath Gunner, there is absolutely nothing unpresidental about it. What rediculous stupidity.

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BTW, round 1 of tonight's debate was the best so far during the campaign. This was real, meaningful, and clarifying.

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