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Rudy Invokes 9/11 To Deflect Questions About Iowa Loss

By Greg Sargent - January 4, 2008, 11:34AM

Rudy Giuliani, speaking about his sixth place finish in Iowa yesterday:

"None of this worries me -- Sept. 11, there were times I was worried."

As a GOP operative I know loves to say, the man has "9/11 Tourettes." Can't help himself.

Comments (81)

Shii wrote on January 4, 2008 11:39 AM:

You have to admit, he's right-- running from the carnage of a 110-story building crashing behind you is slightly scarier than running from the carnage of your $50 million campaign imploding behind you.

DRinOH wrote on January 4, 2008 11:40 AM:

Sorry, this is a little unrelated to the post, but I think it's representative of what happened last night.

On MSNBC they're doing a report on the violence in Kenya, and they stopped to say that the whole country was jubilant last night because of Obama's win. They apparently ran into his uncle who of course passed along congratulations and praise. Most importantly, the headline on the bottom of the screen:

Obama win resonates in Africa, and around the world.

That's it folks. This is the guy to restore this country's good name around the globe.

Carl Nyberg wrote on January 4, 2008 11:43 AM:

"It's only a flesh wound, I've had worse!"

EH wrote on January 4, 2008 11:45 AM:

I was thinking last night about how Duncan Hunter has not left the race yet, and I came to the conclusion that he is needed by the Republicans to be the wacko on the trail, the candidate who can keep the right-wing crazies placated until the field solidifies a bit. Hunter can't quit yet because it's too early for any of the real candidates to absorb his stance. I think Giuliani fits into this as well. It's too early for Romney and Huckabee to start banging the 9/11 drum so the R's have to keep Giuliani around to make noise and remind people of the R's connection to 9/11.

Michael A wrote on January 4, 2008 11:54 AM:

Sorry to break this to you Mr. 9/11, but 9/12 is coming fast. I can't wait for that day and when this fascist freak is on a beach in florida with the rest of his retired ny paisanos.

Sandy wrote on January 4, 2008 11:59 AM:

Wait until Judy realizes that she's not going to be First Lady, and she has to live with an old Italian man with prostrate trouble, a bad toupee and horrible teeth who everyone in New York, if not the rest of the country, hates. Now THAT's going to be scarier than 9/11.

r€nato wrote on January 4, 2008 12:01 PM:

that time Rudy! couldn't get it up? It's nothing like 9/11.

The man has transcended even self-parody.

DownEast21 wrote on January 4, 2008 12:04 PM:

I bet it was really scary when he opened New York for business while covering up the health risk of air Quality in Manhattan

Dan wrote on January 4, 2008 12:05 PM:

This is hilarious. Giuliani has become his own caricature... I would expect this from an SNL skit. Check out Campaign Diaries's detailed analysis of the post-iowa GOP race.

Liam wrote on January 4, 2008 12:06 PM:

Rudi, how do you rate the experience of finishing in sixth place compared to the shock of discovering that your extended family never noticed that you and your cousin were exchanging marriage vows?

Explain that one to us. You had a church wedding and no one in your entire family noticed that two cousins were at the altar!

Michael A wrote on January 4, 2008 12:08 PM:

That's a good one liam. Tooooo funny.

mickey g wrote on January 4, 2008 12:23 PM:

His whole personal history is almost as phony as The Chimp's. He paints himself as a born & bred Brooklyn tough guy when in reality, he grew up on Long Island. Garden City South & North Bellmore to be exact. I've lived in N. Bellmore for 27 years & I used to deliver mail that house in G.C. South for 5 years, after he moved. Believe me, communities don't get any more lilly white than those two.

Jame wrote on January 4, 2008 12:28 PM:

As in "Wag the Dog", Stanley Motss saying, "This is nothing. You think this is something? This is nothing."

ChaosRob wrote on January 4, 2008 12:31 PM:

Better reboot him, he's looping.

Utopia wrote on January 4, 2008 12:39 PM:

Shii, the Rudy myth is really out of control. But you can bet your last dollar he didn't run from a falling building on 9-11. He'd sure like to have people think he did but it didn't happen.

Scotty wrote on January 4, 2008 12:49 PM:

"Sept 11, there were times I was worried"

Personally, I was a little more than "worried" on 9/11...

Rudy wrote on January 4, 2008 12:56 PM:

Hey!! I could have been at that command post boinkin my lady friend.

And if you don't think that's scary...

Lhota wrote on January 4, 2008 12:57 PM:

Little Richard had it right:

Tutti Frutti au Rudy
Give it to Judy in the booty
A wop bop a loo mop
A wop bam BOOM!!!

Mike wrote on January 4, 2008 12:57 PM:

Please Please Please

I am very serious about this request

Would someone please tell me what Rudy Guliani did on 9-11 that he is wanting credit for.

If you can please go into some detail.

Thankyou

rj wrote on January 4, 2008 12:58 PM:

One quibble: I believe the term "9/11 Tourette's" was coined by Jon Stewart and crew. (O the pain of their absence at moments like this!)

Hank Essay wrote on January 4, 2008 1:06 PM:

Blowout loss, noun, verb, 9/11.

Still on script.

Cynthia wrote on January 4, 2008 1:09 PM:

I think Rudy was a hero on 9-11

Don't we believe in heroes in this country any more.
Are we all so busy we can't give credit to someone who preformed heroically when we needed a hero.

I have faith in all the God fearing people in this country that they recognize a true American hero and will
vote overwhelmingly for this man who saved us on 9-11.

BadAssBarnOwl wrote on January 4, 2008 1:12 PM:

Okay, instead of the Tourette's quote, how about...

Rudy has a 9/11 priapism.

Lhota wrote on January 4, 2008 1:14 PM:

Here are some other comparison's for Rudy to rationalize his defeat in Iowa

1) Having to pay Donna $6.8 million doesn't come close to the blood money I'm making off 9/11.

2) The loss of the election is nothing like the loss of my erection.

3) Blowing off one primary falls doesn't equal a few of the other mistakes I've lived through: Bernie Kerik; the annulment of my first marriage after 14 years, doing business in Qatar with the man who shielded the mastermind of 9/11; building my emergency control center in the sky near the twin towers; giving the police and firemen defective radios that were not able to communicate with one another. Now those were beauties.

Try those out after New Hampshire in your next tv ad, Rudy. By the way, how are your kids?

Laziter wrote on January 4, 2008 1:17 PM:

rj, the daily show and the colbert report is going back on air on the 7th.

Without the writers though since they couldn't sign a deal with WGA the same was as Letterman did.

And if Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert both are members of the WGA, which they most probably are, then they can't write for their own shows either, or they would be scabs like Leno...

Also, I doubt any pro union politicians would be ok crossing the picket line.

So I'm not sure what the new shows will be like...

Utopia wrote on January 4, 2008 1:21 PM:

Cynthia, assuming you're not trolling, can you explain why you think Giuliani is a hero? What do you think he did that was so noteworthy? Sure we believe in heroes; we just don't think Giuliani was one.

PS: I live in New Jersey and am aware of Giuliani's term as mayor both before and after 9-11.

Dave Bowman wrote on January 4, 2008 1:27 PM:

I lived in downtown NYC before, during and after 9/11, and the main thing Rudy did was act as a 'face,' like a comforting newscaster.

Operationally, his pre 9/11 decisions were horrible, including the lack of decent communications devices for the firefighters (despite having years to fix this known issue), and Rudy's decision to place the command center inside the WTC complex.

The only 'halo' effect for Rudy during that time was that he was perceived as being competent only in comparison to the Shrub in Chief.

benjoya wrote on January 4, 2008 1:34 PM:

what Dave Bowman said. lifelong NYer here. Rudy looked good compared to bush for about a week. and the lame radios and luvBunker location are not the acts of a hero, but a conman. wake up, cynthia.

danger wrote on January 4, 2008 1:34 PM:

9/11 Tourette's, kinda like Clinton Tourette's for the blame Clinton crowd.

Hmm. Am I onto something? Is a quarter of our country really that mentally ill?

Glenn wrote on January 4, 2008 2:06 PM:

Someone upthread talked about Rudy's penchant for saying 9/11 as having transcended parody... I think that's right, it's now pathology. I seriously think that he has wrapped his ego up so tightly in that brief moment when people liked him that he truly sees himself as the 9/11 hero, and not much else. His constant 9/11 incantation is not merely a cynical political ploy, it's signs of serious mental disturbance.

Well, hey, if Krauthammer can play long-distance psychoanalyst, why can't I?

Cynthia wrote on January 4, 2008 2:20 PM:

I pretty much watched the news and they all seemed to say Rudy did the right thing.
I will try to find some information on the radios. I just recently got a computer in the house and my granddaughter is teaching me how to use it. And one of my friends told me that the blogs were fun.
I live alone and always depended on
tv, but it is nice to talk to people who seem to know a lot about politics. Some of my friends at the coffee shop are talking a lot about Obama so I might switch to him even though I have always been republican.
Thankyou for your help.
Cynthia

moondancer wrote on January 4, 2008 2:20 PM:

Glenn

You said it all quite nicely. I just want to add that the thin veneer that made Rudy even marginally palatable to anyone, melted like a stick of butter on the surface of the sun.

Karen wrote on January 4, 2008 2:20 PM:

I've been thinking of filing a civil lawsuit against Bush for giving me Tourettes. Every time I hear his voice I involuntarily let loose a string of expletives......

Owen wrote on January 4, 2008 2:20 PM:

It does seem to me that Rudy spiraling out of control so badly with his 9/11 references could have one good effect: I think he's people's ability to use the event to get a knee-jerk reaction. I'm not minimizing its importance in history, but I think that once someone has spent so much time touting it in the public sphere that even the more die-hard conservatives end up saying "Man, that guy's just exploiting it," then as a country we'll be moving away from the position where it can be exploited to justify any abuse of power, or the rolling back of any right in the name of safety.

Or at least, it's a hope I have.

dee illuminati wrote on January 4, 2008 2:23 PM:

a noun, a verb, and 911

Biden should be president

Bob wrote on January 4, 2008 2:40 PM:

Cynthia - Welcome to the internet. I have no use for Rudolph G., but I like you!

icondaemon wrote on January 4, 2008 2:50 PM:

Rudy needs to tattoo 9/11 (or outlines of the two buildings for the illiterate voters he appeals to) on his forehead. He can then just point to it instead of talking about it. In fact, he'll never have to speak again - just point!

+- IconDaemon -+

bean counter wrote on January 4, 2008 2:52 PM:

rudy is repeating 911 over and over not only to scare us but so the people he has the goods about 911 on will heed his threats and make sure he's the next oval office appointment...

Rudy isn't out of this one yet!

Paulie wrote on January 4, 2008 2:57 PM:

The more that Rudy uses his 9/11 schtick, the more people see that many politicians on the right are like broken down talking dolls...

Bush:
- Fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here.
- You're either with us or you're with the terrorists.
- Nucular

Rudy:
- 9/11
- 9/11
- 9/11

Clinton:
- HAHAHAHAHAHA
- HAHAHAHAHAHA
- HAHAHAHAHAHA

(she might not be officially on the right but I consider her to be as bad)

The time for change is NOT now, the time for change was a long time ago but now would be better then never. Edwards is the man to bring the proper changes needed.

Utopia wrote on January 4, 2008 3:09 PM:

Cynthia, welcome to the blogosphere. You will find a wide range of opinions but none will substitute for a critical mind. Don't trust the TV news reports you hear or any one media outlet for that matter. Trust your own eyes, ears and common sense.

The Internet is a wonderful resource where you can easily investigate what public officials said and did in the past and compare that to what they are saying now as they try to get your vote.

And by all means, don't be afraid to ask questions and admit you don't understand something. That's how we all learn.

Cynthia wrote on January 4, 2008 3:19 PM:

I just used the google to read about the radios that Rudy did or did not purchase-
a little confusing,
and do not understand why I did not hear about it on the tv news.
I do not know how to find reliable information on google but I hope in time I will learn.
I am excited to use these blogs to help figure out who to vote for as I think this is a very important election and I do enjoy the conversation. I did vote for George Bush but am very dissapointed in him.
Thankeyou Bob and all

Cynthia

Peter wrote on January 4, 2008 3:29 PM:

I like what Chris Rock says about Guiliani.

"Everyone says Rudy was great on 9/11.

What about 9/10?"

zk0sm0 wrote on January 4, 2008 3:31 PM:

strange that both greg sargent @ tpm and alex koppelman @ salon's war room BOTH posted this quote at exactly the same time (11:34) from a ny daily news article posted at 01:01. neither acknowledging the other.

Paulie wrote on January 4, 2008 3:32 PM:

Nice one Peter, I hadn't heard that before.

freepatriot wrote on January 4, 2008 4:15 PM:

cynthia. the main stream media isn't gonna tell you that rudi is a putz

the radios are only the tip of the iceberg

look up where rudy located the Police Emergency Command center

in 1993, a commission sturying the first attack on the world trade center reccommennded that the police emergency command center should be located in a bunker in Brooklyn

rudy choose to locate the police emergency command center IN THE WORLD TRADE CENTER

a bunker in Brooklyn might have been safer, but rudt wanted an apartment where he could spend time with his mistress, and Brooklyn was too far away for rudy's little love nest

Belzer said it best

THE REASON RUDY WAS WALKING AROUND MANHATTAN ON 9-11 IS BECAUSE THE FUCKING IDIOT DIDN'T HAVE AN EMERGENCY COMMAND CENTER TO GO TO

IT WAS DESTROYED IN THE ATTACK, JUST LIKE THE 1993 REPORT SAID IT WOULD BE DESTROYED

still think rudy is a "hero" ???

Charles wrote on January 4, 2008 4:30 PM:

Sandy wrote:
"Wait until Judy realizes that she's not going to be First Lady, and she has to live with an old Italian man with prostrate trouble, a bad toupee and horrible teeth who everyone in New York, if not the rest of the country, hates. Now THAT's going to be scarier than 9/11."

Don't feel sorry for her, Sandy. Before that happens he will cheat on her publicly and wreck his marriage, as he did twice before. She will be able to take her share of his millions and find a guy who looks like a human being, not a zombie.

Martin Bento wrote on January 4, 2008 4:35 PM:

He's only saying it to undermine the writer's strike. With "straight" news like this, Leno doesn't need anyone to write jokes.

Marlene wrote on January 4, 2008 4:41 PM:

Cynthia,

Read "Grand Illusion: The Untold Story of Rudolph Giuliani and 9/11" by Wayne Barrett. Perhaps, the reason you don't know what Giuliani did wrong is that this definitive book hasn't received the publicity it deserves. Many of the well-documented fact in the book have only recently begun to come into wider currency--as the endless campaign continues.

Patricia in NYC wrote on January 4, 2008 5:05 PM:

To answer Michael, I agree with Dave Bowman and the other New Yorkers. On 9/11 Rudy struck just the right tone of providing information and being soothing. We sure weren't getting it from Bush.

If you recall Bush was nowhere to be seen, and a la Katrina, he didn't come to New York, had no plans to come to New York (in the days that followed) until he was literally shamed into coming to New York because the country was looking more at Rudy at the national figure than at the president.

And then, when Bush comes to New York, purely, purely by a stroke of fate, one fireman yells out "I can't hear you" and Bush gets his iconic moment at Ground Zero as this powerful leader of the people who is going to go get the bad guys. History is rewritten in that moment for Bush.

Poika wrote on January 4, 2008 6:33 PM:

Cynthia- if you are real (always a question with the internet!), Rudy certainly performed MUCH better than our president on 9-11. I remember seeing him all over the TV and wondering, "Where the hell is our president?!"

That being said, ask New York City, where he was "America's Mayor," what they think of him. Not much.

Also, (once again if you are real), be prepared for some STRONG opinions on the blogs. You can get tons of information, but get ready for some nice people and plenty who will show off their asshole-ry in a heartbeat.

askthedoc wrote on January 4, 2008 7:19 PM:

I don’t live in NY, so all I know of Rudy is from the tube. He DID appear to be a voice of calm in an unparalleled event no one was prepared for. i.e., he did his job. I preform minimum job requirements every day, but that doesn’t make me heroic nor qualify me for the Presidency (nor even for a raise) – it simply lets me keep my job. Granted, give the man his due for his efforts, but don’t give him more than he’s qualified for. Regarding what he may have done wrong, I cannot comment except to say in such an overwhelming situation, no one could perform flawlessly. Yeah, to a non-New Yorker like me, the guy seemed to rise to the occasion and acted like a mayor should. However, the Presidency is more than a reward for simply doing your job in a particular situation.

As for the Grinning Chimp megalomaniac, Patricia in NYC is right – Rudy was getting way too much national attention.

beastofbourbon wrote on January 4, 2008 7:24 PM:

what shame this man brings on himself...

evan wrote on January 4, 2008 9:04 PM:

What with many delusional/crazy candidates out there I wonder why we are not seeing Britney Spears make a run for the Oval Office...

RudyTheCrossdressingCarnival911 wrote on January 4, 2008 9:35 PM:

Rudy has the blood of those killed during 9/11 on his hands. He had more to do with people getting hurt then people getting helped. The 9/11 families can not stand this guy. If there where such a law, he would have been burned at the stake.

And yet he platforms on this very topic and can't figure out why he is despised?

Rudy's speech (which one? does it matter?)
Fear, fear, fear, and terrorists and osama and fear and September 11th and fear, fear, fear, 9/11 and osama and don't forget fear, fear, fear...

Anonymous wrote on January 4, 2008 10:09 PM:

"Yeah, to a non-New Yorker like me, the guy seemed to rise to the occasion and acted like a mayor should."

Funny thing: Rudy's popularity seems to be proportional to how far away from NY someone lives. The farther away, the more he seems to be liked.

Utopia wrote on January 4, 2008 10:10 PM:

"Rudy's speech (which one? does it matter?)
Fear, fear, fear, and terrorists and osama and fear and September 11th and fear, fear, fear, 9/11 and osama and don't forget fear, fear, fear..."

I've been trying to figure something out. Do people become fear mongerers because they are Republicans
or do they become Republicans because they are fear mongerers?
It's really hard to tell.

Rick wrote on January 4, 2008 11:07 PM:

Cynthia, visit some of the excellent blogs that go way beyond the MSM (main stream meadi) in reporting. My favorite is www.crooksandliars.com

Rudy is a one issue candidate and that is the reason he finished 6th with only 3% of the vote in Iowa. Plus Iowa is socially very conservative (Huckabee won because he is evangelical !) and they don't like Rudi's 3-time-married, history of affairs, lifestyle out there.

Rudi will drop out at the end of the month. Good riddance. Next.

Marvin Meadors wrote on January 5, 2008 12:01 AM:

Rudy doe not seem to realize that his constant references to 9-11 have become laughable. It must really offend those who lost loved ones on 9-11 for Rudy to make a constant commercial out of it.

VT Independent wrote on January 5, 2008 12:31 AM:

Cynthia:

You came to a great web site. Also check out:

www.buzzflash.com

and

www.truthout.org

for news you won't get from the major propaganda outlets like NY Times and CNN (forget FOX, they are beyond hopeless).

I read NY Times and CNN several times each everyday, but I know how to read between the lines (and the lies) to get credible information from them. It's a skill you can develop.

Welcome to the Internet, the last bastion of truth and democracy.

Chopvac wrote on January 5, 2008 5:05 AM:

So if you don't vote for Ghoul-iani, you're with the terrorists.

Some politician ought to start using that.

dnewsom wrote on January 5, 2008 5:52 AM:

Another useful piece of reporting on Rudy G can be found in the documentary, "Rudyland".

Check it out...a very entertaining profile of a very unstable guy. Not a bad crimefighter from time to time, but by no means a leader of nations.

nikolai wrote on January 5, 2008 12:59 PM:

Hilarious! 911, 911, 911... Every time you say it you put yourself further and further from the republican nomination Rudy, keep up the good work! Oh, BTW, sorry for the loss of all that campaign money... NOT!

nikolai wrote on January 5, 2008 1:05 PM:

THIS is f*ckin' FUNNY:

Charles wrote on January 4, 2008 4:30 PM:
Sandy wrote:
"Wait until Judy realizes that she's not going to be First Lady, and she has to live with an old Italian man with prostrate trouble, a bad toupee and horrible teeth who everyone in New York, if not the rest of the country, hates. Now THAT's going to be scarier than 9/11."

Dorson Orba wrote on January 5, 2008 2:08 PM:

How is Rudy a hero? 9/11 happened on his watch! He is a failure!

Missmarple wrote on January 5, 2008 4:07 PM:

But she's running neck and neck with Mrs. Hucklebee who thinks it would be "So Cool" to be first lady and living in the White House! Can you imagine either of these women representing America - compared to Obama and Edward's wives??

Michael wrote on January 5, 2008 11:07 PM:

Aaron Boone shouldn't be in the hall of fame, and neither should Rudy

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"Now their tactics seem to be to create such a harassment which will be very diffcult to prove to be a crime.

Actually I have been under a threat to loose my life during last 3 weeks,but situation has been made so that nothing can be proven to be a crime, and if I would have died it would have been understood as an accident.

Last days I have been harassed all the time (DE CHIKANERER MIG HELE TIDEN)- and ultimate attack against me was done with the help of NORDEA -bank(NORDEA=CIA -bank?).
I had paid my rent already 3 weeks ago- but now I was sent a letter which told that company has not received my payment from NORDEA and therefore I have only 3 days time to pay again my rent.Letter was sent 2 days ago...so I had propably only one day left.
I paid it immediately- and NORDEA-bank promised to deliver money immediately to company which has rented me an apartment.(In Copenhagen 90% of people live in rented apartments).(2005-2006 Nordea MÅSKE TOG 10000 kroner AF MINE PENGE.OG JEG VAR NØD AT FLYTTE, FORDI HUSEJEREN KUNNE IKKE SE AT JEG HAVDE BETALT min husleje.NORDEA maybe took 10000 crowns of my money already 2005-2006,and I had to move.[Buddinge])

Today I checked if company had received that payment- which I now had paid twice.
No answer- and finally after about 10 emails and few calls to that company I got an answer that they have not received my payment.

This meant that I could loose my home,which in Copenhagen is very serious situation,especially to us immigrants,because here is about 50 000 homeless people.(Danish satano-nazi-masonic government,media or politicians are not even discussing about this problem publicly...)

Therefore I had to travel to headquarters of that company to get some answer which would quarantee me that I can continue living in this apartment- and I had 5000 crowns with me , which I was willing to pay them to make sure that I have paid my rent in time.
I was not given any paper or guarantee or receipt, and they neglected to take money from me-and I was given only verbal statement that my receipt from bank is enough to assure them that I have paid, and that I can continue living in my apartment.
This did not make me feel very calm, especially after remark that it is very exceptional if this would lead to stopping my renting contract...-because I have experienced in Denmark that this far almost every exception is done to get me in trouble by danes.

THEREFORE I HAD TO CONTINUE MY TRAVEL TO LOCAL department of that company,which was told to be in charge of this payment situation.

When I arrived there was about 10 danes - mostly outsiders - 2 skin or nazi looking guys- and again I was told that they do not take my payment and that they do not see that I have paid my rent.

I consider this as a mind control action- in which I was put in impossible situation (Dette har været tankestyring operation?):
I had to use my time to this (which ruined my working day) and I had to travel all over Copenhagen area without having time to eat, and this compared to heavy working week (including about 5 times bringing my bicycle to bike workshop...) made all this a horrible experience- and these people were basicly hiding all the time the fact that I actually had paid that rent already 3 weeks ago, which was told me when I left that local office(in which I by the way started finally become really angry, because of all this obvious insanity of this whole thing-those people in that office were obviously there not by a coincidence, and I had calle d and sent emails to them earlier, so they should have known answeers in the first place,which they actually knew, but they did not tell it to me.THIS IS VERY TYPICAL EXAMPLE ABOUT DANES.IMMIGRANTS ARE DISCRIMINATED AND TREATED LIKE SHIT.NO DANE WOULD PROPABLY EVER BE TREATED THIS WAY, but ofcourse this may be illuminist -satanology mind control operation of illuminist-nazi-elite-monarchy of Denmark and all these kind of things can be done f.ex. with the help of the police or the authorities?
CIA,PET ,MI6,Illuminists co-operate and harass their enemies and use mind control tricks they have experimented already at 60´s in USA (with Mengele?)?CIA,PET,MI6 og Illuminati samarbejder og bruger tankestyring?

It is a crime that no one does violent attacks against danes?
I do not see any other chance to stop these satanic nazi people called danes.Jeg kan ikke se anden mulighed end at nogen stoppper disse satanisme danskere?

World has no other hope than killing all these nazi satanic cult members who make their crimes with polices and governments- never getting even accused about anything- and instead labeling, framing their victims or enemies and making mind controlled assassins and mind controlled presidential models (like Marilyn?),who have nor human rights and neither ever may live freely or have free life...?
We must understand that satano-nazi-freemason-goth-illuminist-elite-cult members are themselves mind controlled Jekyll and Hyde-personalities who maybe all have killed other people-and f.ex. some of them kill themselves as a sacrifice to Satan?To this kind of people it is not a big deal to kill other people,or do some other crimes...?
It is insanity to let these people live and kill other people and destroy other peoples lives.
Anyway I forbid anyone to use violence, because I am christian and christianity do not allow violence.Jeg siger at alle skal undgå vold,og være gode kristne og skabe fred.I just do not see any other chance to stop these nazi-satanic criminals called danes.We must also remember that there is a chance that some danes are good people or christians- and therefore we may not label all danes criminals.For me it is very difficult to recall any dane which would not have been a nazi criminal psycho.Jeg har måske aldrig mødt en dansker som ikke er kriminel nazi psykopat."
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Finally I travelled back to that city area where is my working place and I went to bike workshop where I had left my bike,which should have been repaired by that time-but it was still not repaired.Worker said that it will be repaired not sooner than tomorrow.It was possible to drive it about 20-30 minutes, and then tire would be empty again...So I had to drive home by using that bike...
I have had flat tire now about 5-6 times this week, which is quite strange.Some people try to cause me problems-and this way it takes all my time to get these bikes repaired or to travel between my home and working place.
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Next day after delivering my bike to bike workshop again because of flat tire-and after publishing 'Mind control Denmark- nazi state Denmark 2007'-message above-
I am surveilled by a guard.
Next day there is about 100 people around my home,and when I go to shop,some stranger gang youngsters on the streets insult me while I am coming back home.It is not logical that these people would insult anyone unless they have gotten some order to do that.So this is organised harassment towards me- and this has continued now about 8 years time in Denmark.I have informed all about it to police,but they do nothing-and therefore I feel that it is no use to report these crimes to police anymore.There sits one woman who writes same answer to any report I make ('No reason to investigate')-and district attorney accepts this every time.Basically everything I do,is stopped by these people immediately if they feel that it is a threat to them, and it sems that it is a threat to them if I am not stopped almost every way they can...
Denmark is run by these CIA-nazi-goth-elite satanic hierarchy cult-families who are above the law and above governments?Therefore I suggest and demand that monarchy will be deleted in Denmark immediately.
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Even European Parliament judges Denmark because of secret CIA-flights (source: 24timer-newspaper,15.2.2007).European Parliaments report judges CIA-flights, and criticizes Denmark, because Denmark has not given data about CIA-flights of Denmark.
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Antonio Curra's murder in Copenhagen,2003-København:
2200 pagaden-magazine/avis,september 2006 (Mikkel Kryger),writes about Curra-murder case:
Taxi driver did not call the police when Curra asked him to call the police,and also a passenger in taxi did not call the police.If I have understood right, 2200pagaden implies that they both could have called a police, even their testimony claims that they could not do it...? This is very strange.
Also after murders taxi driver could not remember who were murderers, but after 15 months time he remember them clearly...?
Media 'judges' whole thing and it is big news all the time in media,and news are mostly handling accused immigrant teens,instead of this taxi driver and his passenger.
Both teens are sentced to 8 years inprisonment and they also get a judgement of deportation albeit they have lived whole their lives in Denmark...
Article is written about a book 'Ingen tvivl' of Lars Bonnevie (Samleren),and writer mentions that this judgement shows what kind of judgements immigrants can expect in danish justice system.
Note that Curra had arrived to Denmark only few hours earlier...
Source-kilde:2200 pagaden-magazine/avis,september 2006 (Journalist:Mikkel Kryger),
By the way also both these murders ,Curra -case and nordish skole murder of 8 people, had a mysterious danish gang-(satanic?)member woman connected to them?Satanic gang operations,satanic hierarchy operations?Mind control?
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It has been a shocking experience to see how modern nordic country is 'a banana republic' deleting all decent things and human rights which should belong to democracy.
Satanism or satanic world elite (illuminati monarchy?) have made Denmark a 'nazi state'?
Also nazi-Germany was created by satanic world elite...
Nazi-Germany was never as bad as Denmark is now.We must remeber that also in nazi-Germany masses did not know what was done to jews-and same way normal danes have no idea what kind of torture,discrimination and harassment is done towards immigrants by danish officials.
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John 43:8:12:/Johannes-evangeliet 43:8:12:
Jesus:
"Jeg er Verdens Lys ;den,som følger mig,skal ikke vandre i Mørket,men have Livets Lys"
"Then spoke Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the
world :he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness,but shall have
the light of life"
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Danske nyheder om PET -Danish news about PET - danish intelligence agency - have stated that actually it is doubtful if there has been any terror action existing regarding about 15-20 muslims who has been arrested by PET?
Instead one PET co-operator has bought explosives or stuff for making explosives,- and one PET connected person has tried to get some muslim to operate as a drug pusher(which proves that danish police and officials are behind drug trade in Denmark?)When this guy refused to operate as a drug dealer- PET stating that no one stop his drug business,if he operates as informer for PET- he got immediately arrested by PET and accused about plans against Denmark...
Note that one muslim is already sent to prison for 11 years,even there has not been more evicences than some stuff which can also be used in making fire-crackers (which he stated being purpose of that stuff in his home) and few people mentioning some things which do not necessarily mean that there has been any plans about terrorism.Especially this is strange because PET- agent/co-operator had been most eager in trying to get those people to start some kind of terror action...? (=Only terror group in Denmark is PET?)
PET has a crystal ball which shows them the future,or demons are telling them the future? PET IS SOME KIND OF THOUGHT POLICE towards muslims,PREDICTING CRIMES EVEN BEFORE THEY HAVE HAPPENED?Just like Tom Cruise/Steven Spielberg-movie 'Minority report'...? Except that it seems that PET has actually tried to agitate or start terror plans,which is so unethical that it should stop these trials against muslims and cause investigation of PET's operations? Why is justice ministry doing nothing?
My viewpoint is that there never should have been accusations towards these muslims because PET - agent/co-operator has been most eager one in trying to agitate those people to get some kind of bomb done- and on the other hand no one has even actually started to make a bomb and neither has clearly stated that there would have been a terror action? Especially there should not have been a trial because PET has interfered into this matter,which could be judged to be an illegal action? I mean that even if some people f.ex. make some other people start some kind of bombing plans and operations- there may be many chances that those people reject whole idea before anyone is ready to use any bomb.And in these danish cases no one had made a bomb...And since PET -agent/co-operator has tried to make those people start a terror attack those muslims should never have been accused? Police may not start criminal actions or ask people to do crimes.
I consider that Justice ministry should fire all PET-workers connected to these cases, including PET-chief.
Leader of PET is having a crusade against muslims and operates as an illuminist nazi operator obeying orders of nazi illuminist new world order agendas?
Illuminists hierarchy elite nazi hustlers are giving orders to danish police?
PET is doing surveillance of extrene muslims./PET holder øje med ekstreme konvertitter(Nyhedsavisen,25.9.2007).Could this be discrimination or human rights crime made by PET,because we have whole city part Christiania filled with drug dealing and pushing people, and police is not stopping them? Instead they seem to do anything they can to get some immigrants judged?(news,nyhedsavisen next day after I had written this:Police is investigating immigrant gangs...(And maybe not a one of thousand gangs of danish criminals of Copenhagen?))
Note that none of these things has caused any changes in danish PET or policeforces and justice minister has not accused any police about anything?F.ex. after all these things I cannot understand that leader of PET has not been changed...?

Personally I consider Denmark a nazi state,because it is under illuminati world order regime?
Illuminati-countries?: USA,Great Britain,Israel,Vatican,France,Germany,Denmark,Nordic countries,Belgium,Hungary,Italy,...?

ps.By the way,few years ago some PET -worker informed about decisions made because of statements which were made by 'JM',but no one knew exactly who was 'JM' in their papers.
I guess they thiught that it meant Justice ministry,but Justice ministry stated "that they have nothing to do with that".Who,what was JM?JØRGEN MORTENSEN,JENS MADSEN,JOSEPH MENGELE ?..OR?...JESUIT MILITARY???
We must remember that JESUIT GENERAL or jesuit military department is said to be in control of all intelligences...?

Sources:
http://www.whale.to/b/pope.html
http://webpages.shepherd.edu/EEHRHA01/DuPont.htm
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It is actually historical that I have been able to report these things 'online'- a mind control victim or a victim of a satanic nazi society or victim of satanic world elite reporting about human rights crimes and satanic harassment towards him.This is actually greater than 'Anne Franks diary' or Hemingways or Henry Millers writings...
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Because of these things I consider that world (or nordic countries) maybe has no other hope than to destroy whole danish population - and this way to stop this satanic world elite?
On the other hand if danish government or people want to stop this satanic human rights culture of Denmark - it maybe must accept death sentence?(If death sentence becomes accepted according to danish law in the future I demand an investigation of possible nazi-satanic human rights of statsadvokaten/district attorney (especially sjælland),Prime minister,Folketingets ombudsmand,Rigsadvokaten,justitsminister/Justice minister,police chiefs of Gladsaxe,København/Copenhagen and Glostrup,some officials and illuminist freemasons-and if they are found guilty and sentenced to death-sentence I am wlling to execute them all free of charge.)
This is only an offer,and as long as death-sentence is not legal in Denmark this is only an idea.I forbid anyone using violence and I recommend that all matters in Denmark should be handled as political way,by discussing and handling matters by trying to make people and politicians to do right decisions which help whole population.
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Comment about Denmark supporting torture:
Denmark has stated that Denmark supports 'torture states'-states which are using torture to get data about terrorism,etc...

I consider that maybe torture should be done only to highest illuminists and in Denmark to danish government members like prime minister and justice minister,DF-party members,illuminist-freemasons, and police chiefs and police officers of GLADSAXE,Glostrup and København-Copenhagen and PET,NEC+(Jesuit/CIA,MI6 or PET-NEC?)Mortensens to get data about danish racism and discrimination happening in danish politics.

SOURCE:
http://www.whale.to/b/pope.html
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Political comment;Denmark/danes rob immigrants every day!!!:
Immigrant gangs are fighting in Denmark?
That's what newspapers say,about shootings in Copenhagen.
Secret society world order elite has made immigrant gangs fighting in Denmark?
Or is it only danish nazi-officials and police killing immigrants here?
Are we having Secret society world order freemason nazi KKK in Denmark?
Officials and police killing and destroying livers of immigrants every day-laughingly ignoring if immigrant asks help...?

I feel it tragicomical when danes write only about 'crimes' made by immigrants.
Some gang members trying to steal 100-500 crowns worth, maximum few thousand crowns some desperate clumsy way, and get caught by police.(Propably been victims of satanic administration hierarchy operations, in which gang leaders are members of satanic secret society hierarchy,CIA,MI6,etc.?)
Denmark-danes rob us immigrants 1000-4000 crowns every day!!!
That is normal payment check of one days work in Denmark,but no one gives jobs to these immigrants.=Denmark is totally nazi bullshit freemason illuminati monarch terror country?
(Some immigrant workers earn 36 crowns/hour,doing heavy job, and after that they must pay to their danish company higher rents about some lousy apartment- in which lives about 10 people -than any dane pays about luxury apartment?Immigrant workers are robbed 2 ways every day...?And government is doing absolutely nothing, even they for sure must be aware about this problem?Why?)

By the way,have you ever thought this what police states:'...it is only gang members fighting...'.Also gang members are humans- and police should actually stop crime gangs and not just say that it is criminal gangs.And what is criminal gangs; mostly they are ruled by some bosses, who order other members to do crimes.This may mean that big gangs can actually order and black mail people to do crimes in their areas.
Why danish police ignores this? Because those gangs shooting in Copenhagen are immigranmt gangs,police ignores whole thing?

Again one sick thing about Denmark and danish officials and danish people?No one cares?
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About control society ( nazi control state Denmark? ) :

Some pages and some things I have propably written 1000 times to internet, and they have been deleted,sometimes immediately. (f.ex. some pages have some unknown member who is also admistrating my pages.I have no idea how this person or these people have become administrators of my page,there is no data about them,only information that 2 persons uses those pages (instead of one - me. ) Once I noted that there was a picture which I had not put there-or someone had hacked those pages.I guess it has been easy to get all my code words f.ex. if some of these people have been using central computer of my working place.Someone was using my email already 2002...)

http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/stopchildrape.net/inte+rnet_problem.html

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Mind control in Denmark is done by role playing (satanists,officials , gangs,freemasons = illuminati hierarchy?).

Gang member or official gets command and obeys it, and do not necessarily have any idea about why he f.ex. is commanded to cheat or be unpolite or hostile towards immigrant or some other mind control victim.
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These satanic mind controller people have no right to be happy or smile or have a family or live happy lives,because they have destroyed other peoples lives and stopped everything from their victims.These things are worse than nazi-Germany ever was.(Modern Denmark's officials crimes are bigger than nazi-Germanys?)
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December day in (mind control) Denmark:

This is continuing nazi-harassment against me?
When I have many days looked for blinking christmas light, and I finally have found it and I am installing it in my home, same time police car uses its blinking light outside.
This is a mind control trick-mind control victim may never feel happy moments.He must be kept sad or terrified all the time.
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When I then leave my home, there is 2 gang groups commenting something to me when I go by, and when I move to other towns area there is immmediately a police car driving fast towards me.This happens in such a place that it would be very difficult for them to stop me,because I turned to some other road.I was moving maybe faster because of cold weather, and maybe that is why they came too late and could not stop me?
Those gang members had informed to this PET-satano-goth-gang family and they had called danish police to harass me?
All this may have happened this way and actually those police officers maybe have only gotten an order to check people moving there,or those gang members were told to harass me, even they do not even know me?
This shows how this danish nazi-satano-elite mafia operates and creates chaos and problems and destroys lives of their enemies?
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I guess they know every word on-line even when I am writing these things in my home,albeit my computer has no internet connection.
If you think this being strange I want to remind that f.ex.all walls of Nokias headquarters were made about glasses having a vacuum between them - to stop electronical spying.
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/stopchildrape.net/inte+rnet_problem.html
Therefore it is not a secret that it is possible to spy other peoples computer, no matter what programs you have. But also this is kept secret, same way as the fact that every data about your computer use, is saved forever by digital technology, including your cell phone calls recorded,and data about your geographical location,time, etc.
They never tell you this.Think how much data and advertizing we have about internet and cell phones, and compare it to data you have gotten about how dangerous it is to give data about yourself to internet and by cell phone...
Can you see...digital technology is only a huge spying machinery of this secret society world elite- and it may be that they delete whole internet that moment when they have enough data about everyone?
'Free' communication made possible by internet can be seen as a threat by this world establishment?I guess they are stopping free communication very effective way already now,but anyway they may feel internet a threat?
By the way,same way we never get data abour radiation and how it affects to us.Even Discovery or Animal channel programs know these things, but news ar e not telling us that there is propably at least 100 different ways to send different radiation and basicly destroy other people this way.All this is invisible and impossible to prove, and it can f.ex. kill, make person sick or make person emotionally unstable?
All intelligences and governments know these things but why are they not giving people data about it?
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About Denmark (=masonic mind control Denmark?-or mind control city Copenhagen-København?):

I have never had a normal day in Denmark -every day these people have destroyed and stopped my life.

I have never had a chance to live a normal day in Denmark.

Not a one normal day.

Every day there has been something; harassment , discrimination,surveillance or some strange problems caused by them.Most things are made very cleverly, so that they seem just coincidences or normal problems, but especially because these things happen to me every day, everywhere I go, it is obvious that they must be caused by some people (and also because many times there is something what I know being a connection to these people who harass me,but I never could prove it..).For me this is no surprise after I have gotten few insane threats about some danish people stating that they will cause me problems in Denmark.It is a human rights crime that danish police has not thrown those people in jail? Instead, I doubt , that police has given them police status and these lunatics work as some kind of undercover polices in Copenhagen, maybe getting money to satanism from drug business,etc.?
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They have never let me live normal life in Denmark-and they do not let me live freely.
This totally satanic nazi country,hiding very cleverly their actions against immigrants, and making everything seem to be immigrants fault?
Denmark is modern Auschwitz,Dachau or Treblinka-and some danes are modern nazi-goth satanists Mengele and Lischka?
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Strange (scary) thing about Denmark:
Source:Nyhedsavisen,Denmark:
A 14-year-old girl named Pernille were found dead from her home.Case is labeled as a suicide.
Police do not investigate case as a murder case.
It seemed that she had hung herself by using a sheet, but that sheet was not tied strongly, so some witnesses or people investigating case say that it has not been possible for her to hang herself by using that sheet.
Also neighbour had witnessed that there had been screaming that night in that house, but her statement was not taken very seriously.Also there were reports about fingerprints,which no-one investigated and after 2 weeks time it was too late, because weather had ruined them (from outdoor).
Maybe police has started investigations again?
Anyway even Nyhedsavisen -other papers do not even write about this case? - do not write about familys state/connections or other things connected to this victims life.Does this mean that something is hidden in this case?
Source:Nyhedsavisen,Denmark,2007
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Maybe only thing immigrant can do in Denmark is violence towards danes,police and government+officials?I do not see any other possibility.This is totally satanic nazi country- or at least whole Copenhagen is.
Anyway I do not believe in violence, and I do not want anyone to use violence.(Personally I do not even want to use violence-and I am not even able to use violence because I have never used it in my life, but I cannot see that anything else could help me or change things better in this totally insane and criminal nazi-monarcy country named Denmark.)
Maybe only thing left is to believe that Jesus helps us and me.I try to pray Jesus, and I hope that Jeus helps me.But actually it is very difficult for me to believe that Jesus would help me in this country,albeit I know that according to christian religion Jesus can do anything.So, only thing I suggest anyone to do in this is to pray Jesus,so that thes e nazi-crimes made by danish government would stop, and that immigrants would get human rights in nazi-Denmark.
Jesus,help us! / Jesus,hjælp os!Jesus,help me! / Jesus, hjælp mig!
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Here is some links which may give you an idea about these kind of things happening in real life:

NOTE - IF YOU WANT TO CHECK THIS DATA LATER, IT IS BETTER TO SAVE THOSE PAGES TO YOUR PC,
BECAUSE MANY OF MY SOURCE-LINKS HAVE DISAPPEARED FROM INTERNET SOON AFTER I HAVE USED THEIR DATA...
(Propably many of them are stopped...proves that there is something which some people do not want to be publicly visible...?):

WE MAY NEVER FORGET REGINA LOUFS TESTIMONY- SAVE IT TO YOUR COMPUTER HERE:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/02050_regina_louf.html

Regina Louf's speech before the UN Committee on Human Rights in Geneva: "...the police, judges and lawyers found our testimony worthless. ..."

http://www.radicalparty.org/belgium/lettera030500_e.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/correspondent_europe/1962244.stm
http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/satanic_concubines.htm
http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2002/04/21/story786459628.asp
http://www.iht.com/articles/1999/12/16/brussels.2.t.php

REGINA LOUF: "'Influential people were involved' " "Senior judges, one of the country's most powerful politicians - now dead - and a very influential banker were included." "It was big business - blackmail - there was a lot of money involved." She knew, she said, that sessions were secretly filmed without the clients' knowledge. "

http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=662&id=625612004
http://www.sbs.com.au/whatson/index.php3?id=274
http://coranet.radicalparty.org/pressreview/print_250.php?func=detail&par=2290
http://www.blog.hr/print/?id=1621731619
http://www.fathers.ca/political_elite_sex_rings.htm
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http://www.answers.com/topic/church-of-satan

[..LaVeys San Francisco... Carin de Plessin, called “the Baroness” as she had grown-up in the royal palace of Denmark..."
Source: Anton Szandor LaVey,A Biographical Sketch,by Magus Peter H. Gilmore © 2003 http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/LaVeyBiography.html ]

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