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Poll: Tight GOP Race In Michigan, Hillary Ahead Of "Uncommitted"
A new poll of Michigan from Democratic firm The Rossman Group finds a close three-way race on the Republican side, with Mike Huckabee at 23%, Mitt Romney 21%, and John McCain 18%. Further back are Rudy Giuliani at 8%, Fred Thompson with 4%, and Ron Paul at 3%.
On the Democratic side, where neither Barack Obama nor John Edwards will be on the ballot due to the disputes between the state and national parties, the results are Hillary Clinton 48% to "Uncommitted" with 28%.
The poll was conducted January 6-7.
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why is hillary on the ballot and not edwards and Obama?
Do edwards and obama respect the rules more that Hillary? Or is hillary gonna claim michigan as a huge win for her even tho no one else is on the ballot?
January 9, 2008 5:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, does anyone know how a write-in campaign in MI might work? If one voter writes "Obama" and another writes "Barack Obama" and a third writes "Barak Obamma" do those all get tallyed as the same guy, or as three separate candidates?
January 9, 2008 5:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can't believe i will actually take my time to go out and vote uncommited, but i will, don't wanna ruin a near perfect voting record in my lifetime. I have also filed paperwork with the party to be a delegate for "uncommited" so long as i can help keep uncommited to 15% or more in my CD.
January 9, 2008 5:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why didn't Clinton remove her name from the ballot?
And since she didn't, if she wins against "Uncommitted", will those delegates count? If they do, this seems totally wrong.
January 9, 2008 5:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Eric, think Kucinich can get a mention in Michigan? He's on the ballot. Wouldn't want to break your goofy rules, but doesn't this qualify as an exception?
January 9, 2008 5:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
No canidate has signed up for the write in votes to be counted, so they won't be counted. Supporters of Obama, Edwards and Richardson need to vote uncommited. DK,Dodd,Gravel and Clinton are the only ones on the ballot.
January 9, 2008 5:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
When asked about this, Rep Pelosi (the chair of the convention) said that the ultimate decision of whether or not to seat FL and MI's delegates will lie with the nominee. If s/he wants to be magnanimous and seat them, they will count. If not, they will not. That said, it is hard to imagine that the nominee will want to alienate the voters of FL and MI (such electoral-vote rich swing states), so I imagine that, unfair as it might seem, these delegates will be seated.
January 9, 2008 5:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
You have to sign up for your write-ins to be counted? Sign up with whom?
January 9, 2008 5:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
So what if Uncommitted wins?
January 9, 2008 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
If they so much as mention their "victory" in Michigan without being asked about it, they should be mocked relentlessly.
January 9, 2008 5:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can I donate money to uncommitted? Anyone have a link?
January 9, 2008 5:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
What happens if Uncommitted gets more than 30%?
January 9, 2008 5:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unlike Obama, Edwards and Richardson, Clinton chose not to withdraw her name from the Michigan ballot.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-10-09-mich-primary_N.htm
January 9, 2008 5:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was rather wondering the same thing. At the risk of seeming insufferably snarky, it cannot be a good thing for Sen Clinton that she is running essentially unopposed in MI but cannot poll above 50%.
January 9, 2008 5:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fire all pollsters !
January 9, 2008 5:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I doubt any candidate/nominee would dare throw the delegates under the bus especialy from MI and FL. Not a chance.
January 9, 2008 5:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I find it hard to believe the rank and file Democrats of Michigan will shun the only frontrunner to participate in their primary after they feel shunned by the National Party.
January 9, 2008 6:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Does MI have an internet primary again this year? I lived in Ann Arbor (go Blue!) in 2004 and voted in the primary online and I thought it was a remarkably easy, convenient way to hold an election.
January 9, 2008 6:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why did the DNC want Iowa and New Hampshire to be first? Had the checks already gone out?
Really, this is crazy. Little rural states with no cities or suburbs get to decide our president. Why? Because the GOP and DNC leadership said so. Who are they?
January 9, 2008 6:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
The person running for the office must sign up to have the write-in ballots counted. No one has signed up. DK also tried to have his name taken off the ballot but filed wrong paperwork. This whole thing has been orchestrated by all the higher up clinton people, to change it from the usual caucus (which Edwards would have most likely won) to a primary. He haven't had a primary in this state since the republicans crossed over and put in wallace as our state winner in 1972. The national party gave the state dems 30 days to change or lose all delegates, the national party has also refused to book hotel rooms for the convention. There are some of us that will be at big dem voting sites w/ signs talkin to folks as the go up.
January 9, 2008 6:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Seems to me if the delegates are going to be seated, then the voters who aren't supporting Clinton should vote uncomitted so that they have control over where those delegates go....
January 9, 2008 6:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg DeLassus,
For the record, Jimmy Carter lost to "uncommitted" in Iowa in '76.
January 9, 2008 6:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Michigan got the same crap from the national party last year but actually sat them, this year they have been much more harsh, i have no idea what will happen at the convention. Friends of mine also sued the state party over this but the federal judge threw it out. All the super delegates have pushed this crap cause they are all in clintons pocket and didn't want all of our union strength at the caucuses to carry the day. I've been pissed about this for a couple months now.
January 9, 2008 6:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Huh? I used to live in MI until just two years ago (I was doing my doctorate at the Univ of MI in beautiful Ann Arbor). I voted in the MI primary in 2004. I thought it was a marvelous improvement over the caucuses of 2000.
January 9, 2008 6:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sure, but Jimmy Carter in 1976 was nothing like Hillary Clinton in 2008. He was a dark horse; she is anything but.
January 9, 2008 6:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
It was a caucus run by the state dems, greg. But it had internet voting, vote by mail and a few others but a caucus none the less. Heres an interesting quote from the rossman group who did the poll: Meanwhile, among a Democratic field that does not include Barack Obama or John Edwards, Hillary Clinton (at 48 percent) is now looking over her shoulder at the threesome of “Uncommitted” (at 28 percent), “unsure” (at 11 percent) and “other” (at 10 percent).
So uncommited, unsure and other wins 49-48.
January 9, 2008 6:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Strangely enough, Pollster.com still has a tracking graph for this race that includes Obama, Edwards, Richardson and Kucinich, but not "Uncommitted" or "Unsure."
January 9, 2008 7:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whatever you need to get through the night.
January 9, 2008 7:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton in registered in the wrong party . . .
January 9, 2008 8:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK,
We know the uncommitted numbers, how about those ballots who select no one and left all slots blank including uncommitted for the Presidential nominee.
Do we have those numbers.
I suspect some folks simply skip that section as it does not have the name of their candidate and they feel they are committed but the name simply is not on the ballot of the candidate they are committed to so they just skip it.
Do we have total ballot numbers vs. Clinton plus uncommitteds?
January 9, 2008 8:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
ROTFL@
Its about the future stupid wrote on January 9, 2008 6:51 PM:
"Hillary Clinton (at 48 percent) is now looking over her shoulder at the threesome of “Uncommitted” (at 28 percent), “unsure” (at 11 percent) and “other” (at 10 percent).
So uncommited, unsure and other wins 49-48."
Great!
So now who gets the uncommitted, unsure and other delegates at the DNC...lol lol lol
Hillary is not even a viable winner against the uncommitted, unsure and other
lol lol lol
January 9, 2008 8:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dems in Michigan need to register as independents, vote in the GOP primary, and screw things up royally.
January 9, 2008 8:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have actually sent in a request to be a delegate for uncommited, after the vote so long as there is 15% for uncommited i may be chosen in the county dem caucus for the people that filed for uncommited. I believe many will walk out when there person is not on the ballot, i think it may be hard to get to 15% uncommited at this point. But we are gonna give it a go. I've been talkin to a couple obama supporters along w/ my edwards friends, i have no idea how this is gonna turn out. But i do know hill will win. The det free press and the det news neither gave a dem endorsment, and we are hopefull to get a uncommited endorsment from the GR press, considering the where we are at here.
January 9, 2008 8:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
99% of the country hasn't voted yet. Still the MSM is hard at work eliminating candidates. TPM sems to be in agreement. The technique is simple. Just ignore the ones you want to go away. And always mention as few candidates as nessesary.
We need the fairness doctrine again.
January 9, 2008 8:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
MI should go to Kucinich. There would be happiness in the universe.
January 9, 2008 9:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I only hope that Fortress Investments has kept a cushy job open for the do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do populist.
Only then would there be happiness in the universe.
January 9, 2008 9:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Play nice colon, you don't wanna make me cry n all. By the way, was there any tears or was that mini-icecubes.
January 9, 2008 10:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama will not carry NY, NJ, Mass, or CA - why do you morons even think he has a chance. Now, I am ROFTL HAHAHAHAHAHA
January 10, 2008 12:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Too funny. She is running against a candidate named "uncommitted" and she still can't break 50%. You clinton people really crack me up with your support. Toooooo funny.
January 10, 2008 7:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Michael A, and others:
That's simply rediculuous, she's not running against uncommitted, she's still running against John Edwards and Barack Obama. Obama made a calculation on Michigan what that is I don't know if anyone is sure, perhaps he felt that if Clinton did well in the early contests, a win in MI well before any other contest would hurt him, or maybe he over-estimated Edwards and Labor.
Either way, I don't think you're saying that the Democrats in Michigan are so stupid as to realize Barack and John don't exist because their names aren't on the ballot...
January 10, 2008 9:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry gary, obama and edwards aren't on the ballot. Interestingly, they are complying with the democratic party's request and rules, while clinton is not. Hmmm, and who is the loyal, progressive democrat running? Maybe she slipped up and thought that she was in the republican primary.
January 10, 2008 9:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Michael,
Let me get this straight, because they aren't on the ballot, Michigan voters who support Barack and Edwards just disappear into the ether?
Your point is that she is running against a candidate named "uncommitted," that's a specious argument, the Michigan voting dems rightly have the other candidates on their minds, note the other polls that include their names.
As for following the rules: The DNC did not force or ask anyone to remove their names from the ballot. It has asked them not to campaign in these states, which ALL of the candidates are complying with. Last I checked, Barack is still on the Florida ballot, as are the other democrats.
To suggest the DNC required or requested people to remove themselves from the ballot is bunk. The only rule the DNC made was that if you campaign in one of these states, you will not receive any delegates.
January 10, 2008 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
What's up Eric? Have you been wiretapped and tapped saying bad things? Is that why you'd rather talk about undecideds than use the 'K' word?
January 10, 2008 11:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
gary n
The DNC did not say that a candidate would get no delegates by campaigning in the rule-breaking states. The DNC said those states' would not receive delegates.
Should Hillary lose to 'uncommitted' in Michigan, she could really get ridiculed for trying to 'count on MI by leaving her name on that ballot.
January 10, 2008 11:55 AM | Reply | Permalink