The voters are confused as well! It's a two-fer on the clinton side!

Watching Obama get schooled by both Clinton and Edwards on his "present" votes really makes me worry about how he would handle himself in debates in the general election. He doesn't seem to debate very well, and he doesn't handle confrontation very well.

Wanting credit for initially being against the war is not going to get him very far in a debate against any of the Republicans.

Finally issues.....I smell Obama toast.

I still say Edwards is the hardest candidate for Republicans to beat. Hillary has an arsenal waiting for her and Obama has too many weak spots.

"Wow - she is really nasty tonight! I never understood Hillary hatred but I am starting to get it."

I'm at work and can't watch it live. Is her voice getting the edgy twang and her mouth pursing into a semi-sneer as she attacks Obama? Or is she going with the pop-eyed sarcastic cackle when he talks?

Obama can't handle criticism. For the longest time, he had no rapid response, and now it seems the response of the Obama campaign (and the response of Obama supporters) to legitimate attacks has been to argue that he shouldn't be criticized so harshly. And so we get the phony race scandal and the Bill controversy.

Crying "It's not fair!" is not a viable strategy. If he wins the nomination, Republicans won't treat him with kid gloves. Will Obama fight back or will he just complain that he's being swiftboated? Because the latter hasn't worked well.

man she's a trainwreck. her therapist must have a marinas worth of boats on her dime. "you go girl" indeed. go. somewhere. else. please. just go.

She's kind of screaming at him. Any yes - the sneer is there.

Yes! Yes! Yes!
The real deal has begun! Stay Tuned!

Was that Dave Chappelle?

"Why this man stutters so much?"

Substantive!

"is he not supposed to be the best orator since MLK?"

I'm not claiming that, but if you don't realize that he's a hell of an orator, you haven't seen him orate. Check out his recent speech at MLK's church - it's available on cspan.com.

The idea that he is a poor orator is flatly absurd.

What a whiner Obama is - puhleeeese: "I can't tell who I'm running against"

Maybe he should just give up, then, if it's too hard for him.

He knew Bill was going to be a big part of Hillary's campaign from the beginning.

This is just more childish whining from Obama and his supporters.

This is Obama supporters . . .

One sign near the front of the march read "no Clinton dynasty".

Anti-Hillary, not pro-Obama.

And . . .

Senator Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., had been scheduled to march as well but, much to the delight of Obama staffers, her flight was delayed. She missed the march.

So, it's not really about Hillary's substance or what she wants or what she would do, but sheer misogynistic hatred for her that drives Obama supporters.

Obama doesn't really care about anything but portraying Clinton as racist by capitalizing on anything to falsely make that claim.

Yep, I'm really looking forward to eight years of Obama staffers and administration officials who repeat the tactics of the current Bush administration in combating opponents, both real and imaginary, portraying everyone not a zealot for their political orthodoxy as part of an "axis of evil," just as they've done with the Clintons.

OK. I just wanted to make sure that I actually correctly understood that you were simultaneously making a blanket accusation of misogyny AND an accusation of accusations of racism.

Uh huh.

Why, exactly, are you being confrontational with me?

Sure, I'm kidding.

I used to like Bill back in the 90s, but he's really turned into a bully--very unbecoming for a former president.

Dear God, Greg Sargent--you actually found the truth for once. I'm amazed, astounded and mightily impressed. I apologize for some of the shit I've laid on you for being a partisan hack. Not all of it, but some of it. Congratulations for discovering the virtues of reporting, as opposed to advocating.

facta non verba:

Republican.

It is not whining when Obama confronts unfair attacks.

It is so Clintonian that someone who has spent 1/3rd of their life as a Republican should attack someone for saying something good about a Republican.

You know, Obama is in a tough spot. On the one hand, he always wants to run an ethical campaign. He want to move beyond dirty politcs. He tries to ignore it, but too many people believe Bill and Hillary's lies. His supporters out out there screaming at him to defend himself, set the record straight. But like he said, he doesn't want to spend all of the campaign defending himself against bogus attacks. Bill and Hill know that they don't have much to throw at him, so they have to obfuscate, blurr the lines and drag him into these kind of tit for tat things. They are trying to make his biggest strength - to change the bickering backstabbing way of washington - and suck him down. Then say "see he is not the agent of change, he bitches just like the rest of us"

How do you come out swinging and still be above it all?

He is the most ethical man in Washington. I hope more people can see beyond all of the bullsh**t and vote for him.

Hillary and Bill's continual distortions and mischaracterizations (Ok, lies) of Obama's record has finally worked in getting Obama to drop down in the mud with her. And really, he's had no choice.

It really is a shame that the Clinton campaign has decided to campaign like that, but I guess they've already made the "Rovian" calculation that they can eak out 51% of the vote. If successful, the best we get is another 4-8 years of a further divided country - but at least the govt will be more competent.

Too bad she's ensuring that we as a country can't try to set our sights higher than a 51-49 split. Great campaign tactics, Hillary.

But if you're successful, I and probably many other left-leaning independents are going to go for McCain. Character and integrity do count at some point. I just can't wait to see how the faux "35 years of experience" pitch goes against him, ey?

I guess only Obama's kindergarten homework is fair game, not the fact that Hillary was a Goldwater Girl, and a Republican as a freshman in college.

I guess this blog is comfortable with that.

I remember when this blog begged for money, and I gave them $100. I blown money on worse, I guess.

"He is the most ethical man in Washington."

What flavor is the Kool-Aid today?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/22/277/50113/463/440933

Kos has a post by Shipjack this morning on Obama's dance with the bankers.
Hillary's skirts are far dirtier than Obama's; don't look for her to bring up this sort of thing herself. But it's something everyone who loves Obama's speeches had better read. I hate this. I enjoy Obama's speeches too.
I'm sticking with Edwards. He's the only one on that stage that might even come close to trying to reclaim our government from the thieves and murderers who control it now.

Greg Sargent,

In fairness, would you please post the clip of Hillary getting booed. It was loud, sustained, and sounded nearly unanimous. It is a unique and telling moment among all the debates.

One of the best lines from the entire debate. It is hard to tell, especially when Obama tries to call Hillary on her husband's lies, and she says "oh, but that wasn't me!"

Yah, about that. If he can't figure out who he's running against, he better hang it up.

That is just a HUGE admission that he can't take the heat (so get out already)!

Can't we move on from having crack-head, whining presidents who crumble at the first sign of criticism?