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Final Numbers: Obama Wins Huge Victory
The numbers, with 99% reporting:
Obama: 55%Hillary 27%
Edwards 18%
Massive win for Obama, obviously. Hillary is speaking now. More soon
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Bill Clinton put in the last part of his race baiting, dismissing Obama and the SC defeat as some kind of black anomaly. He finally said Obama is like Jesse Jackson:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/26/bill-clinton-obama-is-ju_n_83406.html
January 26, 2008 9:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, in her speech she gave amount two words to SC, brushing it off like it never happened (part of the overall race-baiting plan, finally coming full circle, as we've been expecting), and trying to change the rules of the game all of the sudden and trying to make Florida count, basically saying F you to the entire DNC. They'll say and do anything to win.
Oh yeah, by the way, nice concession Hillary, oh wait, you didn't even mention it. And way to not even stay in the state, I'm sure the voters love that.
January 26, 2008 9:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Barack-O-Bama-Spank-o-rama!
Just imagine if Hillary didn't enjoy the benefits of Bill's name, Bill's record, Bill's rolodex etc. etc..
January 26, 2008 9:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
From Hillary Clinton's post-primary comments:
"What's this you say? Did something happen in South Carolina? Today? A primary? No kidding! Oh my, I didn't even notice..."
January 26, 2008 10:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Si Se Puede!
South Carolina shows we can beat those who'd divide us..We can beat Washington. We can beat the party's old hacks
January 26, 2008 10:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
And in case anyone missed it, Caroline Kennedy just endorsed Obama.
January 26, 2008 10:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
MSNBC - 68% felt Bill Clinton was pig
Please Lord protect him
January 26, 2008 10:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
One thing the South Carolina result (juxtaposed with the exit polling) seems to have established is that the Bradley effect doesn't seem to be around in this election. I personally believed that there were better explanations for the discrepancy between the exit polls and the New Hampshire result, but here we have an even larger discrepancy, and it went in the opposite direction from the Bradley effect.
January 26, 2008 10:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama also just received the endorsement of the biggest paper in Missouri.
January 26, 2008 10:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
The biggest part of the story is that the size of Obama's win, and the much larger than expected white vote, kills the "he just won because of the black vote so it doesn't count" narrative that the Clintons have been working for for two weeks and which, one guy on CNN actually admitted, the MSM was getting ready to write.
Not that Bill wasn't willing to give it one last shot with his Jesse Jackson comparison.
January 26, 2008 10:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I love how when Hillary wins a majority of women in New Hampshire, the Hillary camp makes it out to be a strength and lauds it to all the pundits. But when Barack wins a majority of African-Americans in SC, the Hilary camp makes it out to be a weakness-- "he just won because he's black." I don't think they're racist, they are just insatiable in their efforts to spin everything the wany they want it. The hypocracy is unbelieveable. I don't want these people representing the Democractic Party come November.
January 26, 2008 10:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
One of the most impressive things about it is that the Dem primary turnout was larger than the Rep primary turnout. I don't think anyone saw that coming. Fantastic!
January 26, 2008 10:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
January 26, 2008 10:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Anyone seen any Hillbots tonight? :-)
January 26, 2008 10:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
One more thing-- let's see the Clintons spin this: Obama's two victories were both resounding (Iowa and SC), while Clinton's were narrow (NH and Nevada). She's had to fight tooth and nail in each contest. If she has such trouble beating fellow Democrats in the primaries, and she's supposedly far more popular in her party than among independents, how is she going to do against McCain in the general?
January 26, 2008 10:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Amazing how all the paid operatives keep their heads down after the huge loss. Maybe the constant racial attacks on "Hussein" didn't play so well even in the deep south?
January 26, 2008 10:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, the largest paper endorsed Obama. So what? Those people are elitist liberuls that have no relationship with common people. Look at these poll numbers:
Feb. 5 state polls: Hill: CA +15%, MO +19%, MA: +37%, MO +13%,
You can cry now!
January 26, 2008 10:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're right, Anonymous--the poll #s for Super Tuesday tilt heavily in HRC's favor, which is one reason why this Obama supporter's euphoria is somewhat tempered tonight. The math, in many ways, is really against him. BUT--nobody expected him to so thoroughly, overwhelmingly trounce HRC in South Carolina. It once again shifts the dynamic of the race, which had been solidying once more into HRC inevitability. My guess is that Obama will pick up a good 5 points across the board in Super Tuesday states following this win...still leaving him a lot of ground to gain. The next 7-9 days are crucial. Plus, Big Dog is starting to become more of a liability than a positive (he needs to learn to quit while he's ahead).
January 26, 2008 10:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, they're here. They're all posting anynomously for some inexplicable reason, however.
January 26, 2008 10:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Listen, I'm not a racist. But if you can tell me a way to get the racist vote without doing any race-baiting, I'd love to hear it.
January 26, 2008 10:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
grover_rover wrote on January 26, 2008 9:54 PM:
Bill Clinton put in the last part of his race baiting, dismissing Obama and the SC defeat as some kind of black anomaly. He finally said Obama is like Jesse Jackson:
Laughing at least he didn't accuse him of dragging a twenty dollar bill through a trailer park.
I mean get real, when it comes to marginalizing somebody in the press, with the circumstances given, the Clinton Machine is the best.
Rove is over rated, the real 'new age politics' were succesfully demonstrated by the Clintons. Early organization was also critical the Clintons muscled technology succesfully where Bush and Rove rose from 'organization.'
I would have thought it would have worked in any other election, but the voters are getting savy to the tactics, even the "rubes in SC" get it.
If Edwards has dirt, I mean real damn dirt that would remove a candidate if the other stumbled, then I could see it.. I bet both Hillary and Obama are irritated that he is stil in the race.
I think he got some of the benefits of the race card tactic and Hillary was punished.
January 26, 2008 10:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Amazing victory for Obama, for change, and for honesty & integrity.
It renews my faith in the public that 68% agree Bill Clinton is slime.
January 26, 2008 10:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
You Obama supporters are full of yourselves tonight. Tell me one thing. Do you really believe Obama had a chance tonight had he not been black? Can you deny the fact that Jackson won here in SC twice? It was sickening to see pundits drolling at the significance of Obama's win at Iowa. It is even worse to see them do it again tonight. It is sad to see Pat Buchanan as the only one to have the cool head.
January 26, 2008 11:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Anonymous,
You are no longer anonymous. I think I just figured it out.
You ARE Pat Buchanan.
January 26, 2008 11:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
How nice of Patrick Buchanan to stop by!
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#val=SCDEM
Fascinating cross-tabs in the link above.
January 26, 2008 11:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Anonymous, that's a sickeningly racist comment--not worthy of a Democrat/progressive. Man oh man, certain Clintonistas really ARE playing the race card. Disgusting. I'll reluctantly back your HRC in the general; can I count on you to back Barack "only a black" Obama if HE'S the nominee?
January 26, 2008 11:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Looking over the exit poll results I've got a feeling that a lot of people will be scratching their heads, wondering what are the implications of Barack Obama receiving about 79% of the black vote and 24% of the non-black vote in SC. The way that works out to a 20-point win BTW, even with Clinton and Edwards splitting the non-black vote down the middle, is that South Carolina has more than double the national percentage of black people and much lower than average representation of hispanic people. So I'd also guess this may generate some renewed interest in the Florida primary.
January 26, 2008 11:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Anon
Hillary had a big lead in N.H. until Iowa happened. The press got the story wrong, it wasn't a Hillary comeback, it was Hillary flopping, almost all the way to a loss. We'll see how those poll numbers look next week.
January 26, 2008 11:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
anon at 11:01, to flesh out your position a bit perhaps you could explain exactly how did Obama "being black" help him win iowa i teh way you're implying it helped him win SC? I live in iowa, it's 94% non-black.
January 26, 2008 11:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Honesty, I think this is a win for decency and class. I think Hillary and her husband's antics lost them the black electorate and a sizable portion of the white electorate. Kids and indies already liked Obama, but I think his post racial message resonates with many mainline white democrats. Once she made her LBJ comment and Bill went ballistic, they saw her behaving the way Repubs have always said she was: shamelessly willing to do anything (including tolerating a philandering husband) to advance in politics.
Still, I think she will win this thing but she has to play to her (many) strenghts: policy knowledge, decent debate skills and a record of (mostly) supporting progressive legislation. Bashing Obama's race, middle name or hometown church makes her look like what she isn't but what many, many people think she is: deeply evil. Hillary will likely win this, but she will need to win it fair.
January 26, 2008 11:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Anonymous wrote on January 26, 2008 11:14 PM:
anon at 11:01, to flesh out your position a bit perhaps you could explain exactly how did Obama "being black" help him win iowa i teh way you're implying it helped him win SC? I live in iowa, it's 94% non-black.
From this anon to anon you: Ok, Obama did win Iowa, because of unusual contribution from youth. So did your savior win the same proportion of white votes in SC against Hillary and Edwards?
January 26, 2008 11:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
CalID,
Keep spinning baby!
A 20 point loss is a 20 point loss is a 20 point loss.
I know it isn't over and its going to be a tough fight, but come on man. There will be a lot of people scratching their heads after tonight, but not for the reasons you think.
Obama '08.
January 26, 2008 11:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
RE: "you deny the fact that Jackson won here in SC twice?"
Response: "So what? Do you deny that Rev. Sharpton lost here?"
BTW, I'm a black female and NOT a democrat, just sick of the marginalizing of Obama's success as just related to the black vote. It's ultra insulting. The truth is that Hilary and Barak have the same policies, but personality, character, etc...
I think the Democratic party has NO chance if Hilary is their candidate. Too many people that will vote for anyone else but her. With all the hatred for Bush, people would still vote Republican rather than Hilary.
If we could just get a good Independent. Lou Dobbs please get in the game...
January 26, 2008 11:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's ultra insulting. The truth is that Hilary and Barak have the same policies, but personality, character, etc...
>>> You are right. There is very little difference between these two candidates except one is black and one is white, also one has done a lot for the community and one has done nothing. Guess which one your fellow blacks chose?
January 26, 2008 11:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know what would be great? If Obama rolls out a big endorsement next Tuesday. Just to screw with the Clintons attempt to make Florida relevant.
Get ready for the next three days of Clinton supporters trying to make Florida relevant. My suggestion: respond with the delegates up for grab--ZERO.
I hope to G-d she spends some time down their between now and Tuesday. Please!
January 26, 2008 11:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama actually has 56% of the vote if you are going to round off to the nearest whole percentage point.
99% reporting
Obama 295,091 - 55.64%
Clinton 141,128 - 26.61%
Edwards 93,552 - 17.64%
If you show Clinton with 27% and Edwards with 18%, then Obama should be listed with 56% (although this adds up to 101% when rounding).
Obama has a 29% lead over Clinton, not 28% as published.
January 26, 2008 11:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Keith wrote on January 26, 2008 11:30 PM:
>>> idiotic moronic obama supporter, she will be in miami for two fund-raising events tomorrow. Your wish has already been granted.
January 26, 2008 11:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Re: "Guess which one your fellow blacks chose?"
Aren't they our "fellow blacks"? Just asking.
"RE: "little difference ... except one is black and one is white"
I disagree completely with that being the only difference and it looks like voters, not just black ones, agreed.
Also, your point wasn't clear too me: Do you think Hilary or Obama has done more for the community? If it's Hilary, please tell me what she's done. I have watched the last few debates and I'm still trying to figure where all this 35 years of experience that she mentions comes from. All that I'm aware of is her being married to a notoriously unfaithful husband.
Admittedly I'm not a knowledgable follower of her or the Democratic party so this could be a good learning.
January 26, 2008 11:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Anonymous, why do you prefer Clinton over Obama? Just curious what your rational is.
You might think about bringing up those I'm sure quite legitimate reasons in your posts. I say that because frankly, what you have said so far is not only not very effective but appears to me to be quite trollish.
January 26, 2008 11:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
RE: "There is very little difference between these two candidates except one is black and one is white... Guess which one your fellow blacks chose?"
More supporting facts, if Annon cares:
Obama did well among white voters, getting 24% to Hillary's 29%, and got 50% of the white vote of 18-29 year olds.
It wasn't just race. Some people just don't like Hilary.
January 27, 2008 12:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
GMFORD wrote on January 26, 2008 11:55 PM:
Anonymous, why do you prefer Clinton over Obama? Just curious what your rational is.
You might think about bringing up those I'm sure quite legitimate reasons in your posts. I say that because frankly, what you have said so far is not only not very effective but appears to me to be quite trollish.
>>> If you were talking to me, let me tell you why. I value a doer over a talker. You can put out all kind of argument that Obama's legislative experience is thicker than Hillary's. That's not the point. She has been through a lot of things and she has learned from her experience. I am resentful that Obama used his initial non-evidence based decision against war as his ticket to presidential nomination. the man talks like he's born with superb judgement but also has admitted with bone-headed judgement dealing with Tony Rezko.
I admit Obama has higher upside than Hillary but at this time of peril, I am not ready to roll a dice. We have had a president with little experience (mind you, he had six year of executive experience as the governor of the second largest state of the union) and see how he was used by his more experienced advisors. We cannot repeat the mistakes of last seven years.
January 27, 2008 12:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
A huge win! 56% is a MAJORITY, even if every Edwards supporter would have voted for Hillary she still would have lost.
In these first four contests, Obama has more votes and earned more delegates than any other Dem. He IS building the coalition we need to win in November and to bring this country together in greatness again.
For those saying that the polls in the Feb 5th states show Barack behind, notice the number of undecided voters. And, remember that polls change. Hillary was ahead in South Carolina polls as late as last month!!! Barack will do just fine. He'll win a number of states and gather a good share of the delegates. But this race could be going on for a while...
January 27, 2008 12:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Rasmussen Reports 4 day rolling total of polling for the Democratic nomination released earlier today was somewhat stunning. On Friday, January 25th, Clinton had 41% of the vote resulting from a four day average of polling from Monday-Thursday of this week. On Saturday, January 26th, the four day average polling (Tuesday-Friday) had her drop five points in one day down to 36%. Perhaps it is just a one day fluke for polling, but to drop five points in one day with a four day rolling total is quite a plunge. Obama picked up 3 points in the same one day time period to stand at 33% with Edwards adding 2 points from the previous day and has 18%. Polls, if conducted correctly, have a 95% likelihood of being accurate to within a certain percentage (usually 3-5%) according to mathmatical probabilities. Is this one of the polls that falls into the 5% catagory of not being accurate or is this the beginning of a trend?
A 5 point drop from the previous day when a four day running total is used would require the most recent one day polling to be 15% less than the other previous three days.
January 27, 2008 1:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
brad,
Call it whatever makes you feel good. The fact remains that Barack Obama got the vote of almost 80% of black voters in SC but only 1 out of 4 from all other ethnic groups combined. If you don't think people are going to be wondering what that's about and watching Florida more closely as a result, just watch.
January 27, 2008 1:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Shame on you all. Shame on you.
None of you are smart enough to play in my league. I don't pay for air time I'm President of the United States! When I talk y'all have to listen & let me assure you I haven't even warmed up yet. No fairy tale will keep me from returning to the Oval Office, so y'all best get used to seeing me around for the next 8 years.
January 27, 2008 1:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Congratulations, Barack Obama (and his legion of supporters, esp on this site) - a commanding win in South Carolina!
And congratulations to the Democratic voters of South Carolina, on your amazing turnout!
FWW, this Hillary supporter really wishes Bill would shut up.
January 27, 2008 1:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
We always thought she was too good for him, Imelda. Thanks for your kind words.
January 27, 2008 2:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
With William Jefferson Clinton's comments last night dismissing Obama's South Carolina win as a "black thing," he was clearly telling the black citizens of this country that he's been playing them all these years.
If I were a black voter, that would REALLY piss me off and I'd do everything I could to make sure the Clintons do not win the Democratic nomination. Evidently, the Clintons don't see that as a problem.
January 27, 2008 2:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
OK I believe. I've been supporting Edwards since the beginning. But I now feel comfortable with Obama. Kick their ass!
January 27, 2008 3:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama got 15% of the 60+ non-black vote, which made up 16% of the vote. Hillary got 1/4 of the black 60+ vote. The 60+ block is double the youth (18-29) block.
In most states this will be a much more important demographic. There won't be a lot of states where blacks make up 54% of the voters.
Obama got half of the non-black 18-29 vote, but only a quarter of the non-black 30-59 vote.
Now, I do think it's good that Obama's stirring up the black and youth vote, whatever the outcome, and I also think it improve the chance that he and Hillary can come together on a ticket for the generals.
People are going to extraordinary lengths to get mad at Bill Clinton. Nationwide blacks are perhaps 12% of the vote. Jesse Jackson won Michigan with 55% of the vote in 1988, similar to his wins in South Carolina.
In the generals, the black vote will make up typically 7-14% of the voters. There's some screaming about "how dare a candidate assume all blacks will vote together", but that's how blacks get more attention as a voting block. On the other hand, if Republicans or non-black candidates get the impression they can actually peel off black votes by taking their issues seriously, that's better for black voters - they get more choice, more attention, more nuance (there really are a wide gamut of issues affecting blacks, especially with much of the black population firmly entrenched in middle class).
If you want to see changes in black poverty rate from 1990-2000, go to
http://www.census.gov/prod/2001pubs/p60-214.pdf
Black poverty rates had been constant for about 25 years and then they dropped from 33% to 22% under Clinton. But this is not uniform - southern rural poverty has distinct characteristics from say the urban characteristics of Detroit or Washington DC.
Oh, and for a good idea of what race in politics really means:
“I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races–that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which will ever forbid the two races living together in terms of social and political equality. And, inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together, there must be the position of superior and inferior. I am as much as any other man in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. …notwithstanding all this, there is no reason in the world why the negro is not entitled to all the rights enumerated in the Declaration of Independence–the right of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.“ (Abraham Lincoln, Sixth Debate with Democrat Steven A. Douglas at Illinois, October 13, 1858)
January 27, 2008 4:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Brer Obama, Brer Clinton and the Tar-Baby
--Sonny Goldreich
"Uncle," the little boy asked one day as the old man cleaned manure from the donkey hutch, "did the fox ever catch and eat that rabbit ?"
"Some folks say he did; some say ole Brer Fox he done catched hisself," Remus said.
"I never heard of a fox catching itself."
"Well, then I spect you never heard of the Tar-Baby.
See, dat ole silver Fox got some tar, den he mix it all up wit some some code words an some a dat inyerendo. Den he stuck dat ole Tar-Baby in da road an he and Miz Fox lay waiting for dat black Brer Rabbit to come along.
An Brer Fox come hippity-hoppity like he do and his feets dey barely touch da ground. But he stop to say hello to dat Tar-Baby.
"How are you dis mawnin!" sez Brer Rabbit. "Nice wedder isn't it?"
Dat Tar-Baby don't say nuthin, and da Foxes jess lay low.
"Why can't you say?" sez Brer Rabbit. "Is you deaf?"
The Tar-Baby don't even turn his head to look at dat young black Brer Rabbit.
"You're stuck-up, you are," Brer Rabbit sez. "An I'm gwine tech you some repseck."
By this time, a bunch of folks gather to laff at Brer Rabbit. An da Foxes jess lay low.
An Brer Rabbit jump up an down on dat Tar-Baby wiff both feet til he got stuck and couldn't move at all.
Jess then, Miz Fox and Brer Fox walk outta da bush like dey wuz a pair of innocent mockin birds.
"Mawnin Brer Rabbit," sez Brer Fox. "You look sorta stuck up dis mawnin."
Then Brer Fox rose up and said wit a smile, "Brer Rabbit, you've been hoppin around like you wuz da King of everything or like you be on drugs. But now you can't shuck and jive off dat Tar-Baby.
"Now you stay put while I build a fire for da barbq."
Den Brer Rabbit he try to make amends and he act all humble like he know Brer Fox got him.
"I don't care what you do wid me, Brer Fox," he says, "so long as you don't fling me in dat brier-patch. "Skin me, set me afire. Jess don't fling me in dat brier-patch."
Da folks dey surround Brer Fox in a little triangle and dey say, "Throw dat uppity Rabbit in dat brier-patch like he deserve."
So Brer Fox step into dat triangle to grab Brer Rabbit and he fling him right into dat brier-patch.
But when Brer Rabbit land, 100 other black rabbits jump up. Den Brer Fox look up da hill and he see Brer Rabbit layin on his back in da sun and pickin all the tar out his feet.
"Bred an born in a brier-patch, Brer Fox, bred en bawn!" Brer Rabbit yell.
An he go hippity hoppin away an his his feets dey barely touch da ground."
"So the fox never did catch the rabbit, Uncle?" the Boy asked.
"Well, he never caught him down South," Remus said. "But you'd have to ask Brer Jew up North, cuz they got Tar-Babies all dere own."
January 27, 2008 4:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Let me do what the HRC campaign has failed to do and extend a hearty and sincere congrats for a stunning victory to Obama and all his fans.
To misquote the soon to be gone Bush, Obama and you delivered a great whoopin. Really, congratulations.
But with SC in the rear view mirror the race is just getting started. Good luck, we'll all need it.
And by the way, Hymie Town Jackson DID win SC twice.
The point is of course simpl that Obama's coalition isn't new, has been tried before, and still doesn't have the numbers.
SC suggests but doesn't prove that the new math might rewrite that script. Obama just needs to do a better job of hauling his Iowa demographics into primary contests. Florida will be an interesting test.
For this morning please do enjoy your hard earned rout of your opponents.
January 27, 2008 5:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
NoBoy, SC suggests the new math is almost exactly the same as the old math, except perhaps a bit more strength in the youth sector, and the likelihood that Obama could fit this year in the #2 slot, where the disadvantages in 1984/1988 more outweighed the advantages of a Jackson VP slot. Part of this can be attributed to Obama not being as polarizing as Jackson (no Hymietown comments, for example). But really, Jackson's "Rainbow Coalition" isn't far off the stump speech that Obama is delivering, is it?
January 27, 2008 7:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Frank Rich gives another insightful anlaysis in the Sunday NY TIMES.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/opinion/27rich.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin
He examines the emergence of Bill Clinton as a co-candidate for president and the dangers ahead for Democrats as a result. There's a lot of new vetting to be done if "Billary" becomes the nominee.
Do Democrats really want to risk the White House by endorsing unseen what Bill's been doing since 2000 and who's been paying for it?
January 27, 2008 7:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Greg Sargent posted at 9:40 pm on Saturday night:
"Massive win for Obama, obviously. Hillary is speaking now. More soon"
But of course Hillary ignored South Carolina. No time to write the spin.
Why no comment Greg? Why no update that said "Billary Inc. ignored the most impressive win of the entire campaign"
Greg is waiting until Billary sends him their talking points.
January 27, 2008 7:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Desider... I agree and that was really the point of my post. Can Obama's "rainbow coalition" succeed in expanding its color range to encompass enough middle aged white working class stiffs to win. The Obama calculation is that he can and will. I doubt it.
That's why I think Florida so interesting a test and I'm more than prepared to be proved wrong.
And then again if I'm so smart how come I'm not runnin?
Do I need to add that I in no way mean to denigrate the size and importance of Obama'a winning majority? That last word is all that really needs to be said for now about Obama's win.
Again, well deserved congratulations to Obama and his faithful.
January 27, 2008 8:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
As I posted after Iowa...you good folks crowed so stupidly she was dead and the night of NH the wicked bitch was dead you were wrong and right before NV that you had it in the bag again you are crowing again. Again you have it wrong. How many times must I school you children....ok here we go again....gather around and let me tell you how it is esp.Johnny....HRC and WJC are smarter then BO thats point # 1. You can have SC and you can bitch about black this and black that and race this and race that. The race card was played by BO and the press for ratings and a win by BO so HRC went with it and said ok so be it. BO took SC at the possible expense on alot of other states where the impact of race will not help BO like it did in SC. This card that was played was critical for BO to win in SC because if BO was to lose in SC it was over for him. Fla is HRC's 400,000 ballots have been filed and HRC has Fla in the bag, believe it or not and MICH and Fla WILL BE SEATED come delagate day.
HRC is up in most of the States on Feb
5. BO is up in ILL and thats it. Along hill to climb with what mo? Black mo?
Now before we start crying racist calls lets stay on point. We are talking chess here...She has him outflanked here, you may hate her, you may love him. It's like this, YOU GUYS ARE CUSTER....SHE'S THE INDIANS. SHE'S ALL AROUND YOU.
January 27, 2008 8:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Blah Blah Blah.
If Hillary had won in South Carolina, and she tried like hell to do so, both her and her husband, "The First Black President" would have being crowing about it, and so would you.
They tried to win it, and Senator Obama just wiped the floor with both Hillary and Bimbo Bill.
Senator Obama more than doubled the vote count for Hillary, so she should now withdraw and throw her support behind Senator Obama, for the sake of party unity.
When you get slaughtered in a Democratic contest, how the hell can you still pretend that you can beat a Republican!
Time for Hillary to do the right thing, and withdraw. We need a new leader, not the same old warmed over Clinton pretzel morality.
January 27, 2008 8:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Since Gret Sargent is ignoring Hillary's 60 minute speech, I thought I would give a quick summary, most of it is not new.... in fact:
"Blah blah blah… spin spin spin…lie…race…distortionender…mischaracterization… 35 years of experience…obfuscation…ready day one,…strong independent woman… I, I, I... me, me, me ... Bill, Bill, Bill...
life long victim … evil men… pander, pander, pander …misstatement... fully vetted... Evil Republicans... Evil Media... prevarication, contradiction, triangulation, dissemblence, complication, rationalization, distortion… parse, parse, parse … Hillary for President.
Hillary brought tears to my eyes.
January 27, 2008 9:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
A 28 point loss by Clinton! Wow! Really helps puts Obama's 3 point loss in NH in perspective!
January 27, 2008 9:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you, thank you, thank you Bill Clinton. Your red-faced, finger-wagging, lies are helping unit the nation, behind Obama.
Obama's vision, charisma, inegrity, capacity to bridge divides and natural leadership has enormous appeal. And for those voters who were wavering, Bill's mean-spirited dishonesty, and Hillary's deference to him, have made the choice clear.
When the Clintons say "we" they mean Bill and Hillary. When Obama says "we" he means WE THE PEOPLE!
No one can beat the Clintons?
Obama and a majority of Americans say "Yes WE can"!
January 27, 2008 11:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
While the media credits Obama's win to the black vote, and points out that Edwards finished third, the interesting point to me was that substantial majorities of both white and black voters chose an alternative to Clinton.
January 27, 2008 11:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Yes we can" is an interesting slogan. Imagine if Christopher Columbus didn't repeat the same thing to his investors when he insisted he could find the new world?. Imagine if Thomas Edison had given up? How about Walt Disney the first time he told his advisors he wanted to build an amusement park in the Everglades???? (Walt, give me a break....) Don't knock visionaries, they have given us some of our greatest assets. Don't be so afraid of listening and of opening your minds. This isn't necessarily a pitch for Obama, it's a pitch to not rush to judgement and get so clouded by the Clinton machine that we miss the message which might just change our future. What we think about we bring about. Think positive.
January 27, 2008 11:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
HALPERIN’S TAKE: The Candidates’ Main Advantages As We Head to Super TuesdayClinton:
1. New York, California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Ohio, and Texas
2. A sustained national polling lead
3. closed primaries in which only Democrats vote
4. perceived experience
5. white, Hispanic, and low-income voters
Obama:
1. “Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton” will never sound like change
2. the media is (passionately) on his side
3. Maryland, Virginia, Wisconsin, and caucus states
4. Internet money
5. a loyal, ardent, focused staff
McCain:
1. the national security card
2. the media is (cozily) on his side
3. experience
4. open primaries
5. Gov. Charlie Crist
Romney:
1. his (still vast) bank account
2. virulently anti-McCain Republicans who will champion him by default in a one-on-one race
3. the rising salience of the economic issue and his crisp CEO argument
4. talk radio
5. vigor and acute drive
2. the media is (passionately) on his side >>> This makes me truly sick. those are the people really trying hard to steal the elections away from we the people.
January 27, 2008 12:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think will all see what happens on Feb 5th , but it is sad to see the media play such a big part in it . Just like when we went to war in Iraq they hung on every word this white house had to say and did eighty percent of us really believe we should be there I was in the 20 percent against it.
January 27, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Simple answer, Hillary Clinton is largely DESPISED in the Southern US. I have a feeling all the bible belt states are going to go STRONGLY to Obama. In the national race the Democrats have a shot this time if they can put Obama and Edwards on the ticket. They'll take the south from the Republicans. Hillary just dosen't feel right to southerners, and they vote from the gut rather than from the head. In a thinking mans race, Obama and Clinton are similar. In a from the gut feeling race, its not even close.
January 27, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink