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BET Founder And Hillary Supporter Bob Johnson: Obama Was "Doing Something In The Neighborhood"

There's clearly no love lost between Clinton supporters and Obama supporters. During a campaign stop today alongside Hillary, Black Entertainment Television founder Bob Johnson said he was "insulted" by Obama's rhetoric with black voters — and referred to something from Obama's past, which many have interpreted to be about Obama's drug use as a teenager.

"And to me, as an African-American," Johnson said, "I am frankly insulted that the Obama campaign would imply that we are so stupid that we would think Hillary and Bill Clinton, who have been deeply and emotionally involved in black issues since Barack Obama was doing something in the neighborhood –­ and I won’t say what he was doing, but he said it in the book –­ when they have been involved."

More after the jump.

The Obama campaign hit back in a statement from a former South Carolina state Rep. "I.S." Leevy Johnson. "It’s offensive that Senator Clinton literally stood by and said nothing as another one of her campaign’s top supporters launched a personal, divisive attack on Barack Obama," he said. "For someone who decries the politics of personal destruction, she should’ve immediately denounced these attacks on the spot."

For his part, Johnson insisted he was not referring to Obama's youthful drug use. "My comments today were referring to Barack Obama's time spent as a community organizer, and nothing else," Johnson said in a issued statement. "Any other suggestion is simply irresponsible and incorrect.


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This is just laughable.

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For someone who insists they aren't playing the race card the Obama campaign certainly does make everything about race.

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I can see why Johnson would not want voters to know about Obama's service as a community organizer and civil rights lawyer. . . unlike Clinton who went for the big bucks in corporate law while burnishing her political resume with some token pro bono stuff.

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Can Clyburn now endorse Obama? Can't he see how Clintons are hurting him/our nation/work of African Americans?

I cannot believe that I voted for the Clinton (male). I will not support his wife. Period.

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The Clinton team does not know when to stop.
They are willing to destroy the Democratic party to help Hillary.
Attack unions
Insult young voters
Continue race baiting daily

Please just get them off the Political stage

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Moishele wrote on January 13, 2008 5:34 PM:

What the heck are you talking about? Nothing in the Obama response is about race. We know the strategy on the Clinton side is to minimize Obama's potential SC win by putting out the meme that it comes from playing "the race card" but your comment is beyond ridiculous. Leevy Johnson didn't mention race at all. He just denounces the sleazy innuendo from the Clinton camp.

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In the name of maintaining a white-knuckled death-grip on power, the Clintons continue to shame their legacy.

And with Republicans, the mainstream media, and now apparently the Obama campaign massing "vast conspiracies" against them, it's hard to see how Senator Clinton could unite the country enough to make an effective president regardless.

To paraphrase Margaret Carlson, they cannot find the depths below which they will not sink. That giant sucking sound you'll hear is swing voters -- and very committed Dems -- walking away from her candidacy should she become the Democratic nominee.

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Hillary's strategy to racially stratify the S.C. vote so the punditocracy will discount its importance.

1. Blow dogwhistle at all the racist white people you think (in your Yankee naivete) are in the South Carolina Democratic Party.

2. Claim you meant something else entirely and deny that there was any message pitched to the ears of white racists when you're called on it.

3. Act indignant that anyone could have thought you were dog whistling to racists when you've got such a fine reputation as a non-racist and accuse Obama campaign of trying to stir up racial divisiveness (cause that's what they always do, after all, inn't it?).

4. Cackle gleefully as press and bloggers gives you benefit of the doubt for the eighth or ninth time.

5. Repeat.

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The Clinton campaign is certainly acting desperate by launching these negative attacks. It's not good for her and certainly not good for the party. After having been the target of such attacks in the past, it's very disappointing to see her do this.

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"Barack Obama was doing something in the neighborhood –­ and I won’t say what he was doing, but he said it in the book"

Then claims he was talking about Obama being a community organizer? Why did he refer to Obama's book?

He's obviously lying, and he should get called on it.

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" I won’t say what he was doing, but he said it in the book"

You won't say he was doing community organizing? That's about as believable as the Clintons' attacks on Obama's Iraq War stance.

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clinton has simply caluated that she will lose SC.

However the HRC campaign wants the nation to have the impression that Obama won SC BECAUSE of race. That could give them a reverse backlash in other states.

I truly beleive this is their calcuation at this point. I'm done with Hillary and this continuing nonsense. I'll vote against her at this point even if she is the nominee.

they don't care about SC anymore. They have already "Roved it" to FEB 5th.

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I always hated BET. Now I know why. Bob Johnson is an Uncle Tom. Yep, I said it. This type of bs is the type of crap the African-American should EVER participate in. What a disgrace.

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And for the umpteenth time, she's trying to blame Obama for her and her surrogates statements.

Look for her to blame Obama for misinterpreting Johnson's comments.

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Gee, this is a shock. I would never have expected another clinton supporter to say these things. I mean she didn't trash King and he didn't say that obama's campaign was like a fairy tale. Right, of course the clintons aren't "shucking and jiving." They would never do such a thing and they would never argue about what the definition of is, is, right?

It's funny, all these clintonisms, triangulations and distortions of the last couple of weeks remind me of the lead up to the iraq war, that the clintons supported, but they didn't, but they did, man, my head is spinning.

Anyway, remember the lead up to the war when everyone thought saddam had something to do with 9/11. The administration hacks would constantly say the following sentences in speeches next to each other(of course, I'm paraphrasing):

9/11 should never happen again. We have to go after the terrorists and perpetrators where they are and take them on. Saddam hussein is a threat to the world because he has WMD's, which is a direct threat to america.

Now, after repeating this ad nauseum, people believed and still believe that saddam had something to do with 9/11. However, the administration hacks could come back and say that no they never said that and point to the quotes. The point is that they implied that and people believed it.

The same thing can be said about all this garbage and filth being shoveled by the clintons. They are doing the exact same thing and then they act like the victims and people are distorting what they are saying.

It really is pathetic and tiresome. They are liars and don't care about people at all. All they care about is promoting themselves. Hopefully america is smarter than that, but I don't know. If the clintons get back in the white house it will be four more years of the same garbage. That's why people call them bush-lite, because they are.

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This is the way that politics is played in SC, two cycles ago when McCain and Bush ran the issue was over the confederate flag, and this plays on a subconcious level to the voter down there.

In short, this allows the candidates to draw racial distinctions via proxy issues.

What is really astonishing in SC is the ad saturation, radio and TV are completely taken over by ad dollars, I bet that if you looked at spending you would be astonished at the politcal ad's bought, in comparison to say the state of Maryland.

What the Clinton camp knows, and what the SC GOP debate moderator was only two proud to point out is: That nobody has won the POTUS and not carried SC since they have had their early primary slot.

How is this playing out with the voters? That is yet to be seen. But in the last similar campaign Engler promised to be a firewall to McCain after that GOP loss, and Michigan went to McCain. My bet is this, if SC favors one, Michigan will favor the other.

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Pay attention, Moishele. Barack Obama is NOT talking about race or injecting it into this campaign.

Talk about audacity! The Clintons say something funky and then act like it's the Obama campaign's fault when people react to what they've said.

Hillary will do ANYTHING to become President.

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So if we take Uncle Bob at his word, when he threw in that cryptic comment he was basically saying that while Obama was involved in community organizing the Clintons were deeply involved in black issues. If that's the case, why's he insulted?

And did anyone tell Uncle Bob that Obama had nothing to do with the Clintons statements?

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As for Mr. Johnson's statement that he was referring to Obama's organizing work on the South Side of Chicago it's ridiculous.

I grew up in the very neighborhood Obama did his work in. It's where my mom taught me the saying "don't p*ss is my face and tell me it's raining."

Sad.

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pretending that bill and hillary clinton are racist and trying to diminish the role of MLK in fighting for civil rights is ridiculous. this line of attack is going to boomerang on obama and his supporters.

frankly, i don't understand how so many democrats can be launching these vile attacks on the clintons. it seems to me like they have fallen for the republican smear tactics of the 90's.

wake up people! you should be saving your disgust for the republicans, since they are the ones destroying this country. hillary clinton as president (or barack obama, or john edwards) will be a godsend to the United States compared to any candidate that the republicans decide to nominate.

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I found the Sidney Portier reference is equally reprehensible. Did Bob Johnson have any further explanation for that one?

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toni c:

I think you've nailed it. Obama has so far achieved the almost impossible balance between assuring white voters that he is not a narrowly-focused racial candidate, while somehow reassuring black voters that he does not discount the need to address the still-present reality of racism in their lives.

HRC's camp is probably trying to destroy that.

God, I'm starting to hate them.

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NFOSM:

I see, everyone is picking on Senator Clinton for statements she made. How dare they listen. Perhaps she should speak with her OTHER voice, since so many of us are prone to misunderstand her new one.

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Keeping it classy, per usual.

There are two possibilities: there is either a coordinated attempt to denigrate Obama's character using whatever tools are at hand including race, or these attacks are just an organic representation of how those close to HRC's campaign conduct themselves.

Either possibility damns either her executive ability, the strength of character she lends to her campaign, or both. I think its both: she is showing ineffective executive ability, and she values winning above all else to the detriment of her ideals.

Obama '08.

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Whoa! The weekend shift at TPM is getting a bit carried away. Subhead under the main Robert Johnson story (the one commented on here) states that Hillary campaign manager in NH "previously commented on Obama drug usage." That's news? Nope. The link is to a posting on Dec. 12. Just so we won't forget that antics of Bill Shaheen? Do we need reminders in the form of headlines? Next time I see a front page headline in the NYT or WashPost that's a month old, I'll understand the layout of TPM. Until then, gotta wonder...

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The Clinton Plan:

Step (1): Make a series of racist and quasi-racist comments regarding Obama that are largely unnoticed by the mainstream media.

Step (2): When the press and some black activists respond that you're being racist, charge Obama with playing the race card (despite the fact that neither Obama nor any surrogate has at any point done so).

Step (3): By the time Obama wins SC, have convinced the press that it was all about race, to create a backlash among white voters in the Feb. 5 states.

This is disgusting, and I really hope that white Democratic voters are smart enough to see that it is Hillary, and not Obama, who is race-baiting.

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This from the man who created the most destructive television network for African-Americans that's ever existed. Bob, don't you have some hoochified rap video to sign off on?

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Obama is UNQUALIFIED. I am black. NOW the BET Founder IS Qualified. I would listen to him, before this multiracial medial hyped pretty boy.

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Robert Johnson....BET Bob or just simple ole "Tom"??? Hey Bob...here's a bit of advice: Keep your mouth shut...You did more damage to the AA community than any other person of your stature. Let's start with the denigrating programming you put on your "network"...you sell out..or should I say house Ni**a!

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And Bill didnt inhale.

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I've lived in the South my whole life, and I've lived in NC through a number of Jesse Helms' campaigns and several local races where this same sick cynical game was played. Pass coded messages about them to the white racists behind varying layers of subtlety (usually depending on how close the election is) and accuse your opponent of trying to racialize the contest if anyone dares call you on it even if the person who calls you on it has nothing to do with the campaign.

I gave them the benefit of the doubt myself for a while. However, at a certain point, it becomes incumbent upon the campaign to send down a firm directive from the top saying stuff that sounds like racialist code talk will not be tolorated and campaign operatives need to think about what they're saying before they open their pieholes. When no such directive is forthcoming and the winking and nodding keeps happening, the denials wear thin.

I do not for a minute believe that Bill and Hillary are racists. I do, however, believe they are ruthless enough, and committed enough to their conviction that it will be a disaster for the country if the next president isn't Hillary, to play this game notwithstanding their lack of racism. And it's not as if Bill, as a southern politician himself, lacked opportunity to see how this game was played first-hand.

I fully expected this from the Republicans. Nixon invented this game and Republicans have been playing it down here ever since (albeit with slowly diminishing success). I never expected it from Hillary and Bill.

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I can't believe I've reached this point, but I will not vote Democratic if the candidate is Clinton. I will not endorse her brand of sleazy innuendo politics.

I just hope Obama moves beyond a defensive game. At some point, he has to stop reacting and start setting the media agenda.

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And Bill didn't have sexual relations with that woman.

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I guess obnoxious assholes come in all colors.

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Whoa! Did Johnson suggest that Obama is an Uncle Tom? He came awfully close to saying as much.

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I wonder how long the media is going to continue to give Hillary a free pass on this. Since losing Iowa she and her husband have consistently employed dirty tactics to attack Sen. Obama while his camp has taken the high road and generally refused to respond in kind. He has repeatedly stated that all the candidates are patriots while Hillary has invoked the failed terrorist attack in France to imply that the nation may be more vulnerable to terrorist attack if Obama is elected. These are Rovian tactics.

We saw it again today on Meet The Press. Rather than simply respond directly to or apologize for the alarming pattern of subtle racially motivated attacks hurled at Sen. Obama (speculating an implied drug dealing past may be exploited by the Republicans, Andrew Cuomo's Shuckin'& Jivin' remark, Pres. Clinton referring to Sen. Obama as a 'kid', Clinton folks stating that voting for Obama would be akin to supporting a 'hip Black friend', condescendingly referring to Sen. Obama as a good speaker), she instead decided to insist that the Obama campaign is responsible for all of this.

Hillary's implication that the outrage the African American community has voiced regarding the racially charged remarks of her campaign is some sort of manifestation of an Obama campaign strategy is almost just as insulting as her recent comments. It is as if the Clinton campaign believes African Americans are not able to think for themselves and can only take cues and do what they're told rather than think independently.

Whatever happened to personal accountability? Just apologize for the gaffs and move forward. No matter who you prefer in this race I think we can all agree that Americans are tired of leaders who refuse to accept responsibility for their actions. Hillary's recent posturing and stubbornness to admit wrongdoing is eerily similar to that of George W. Bush. No wonder Karl Rove seems to be endorsing her candidacy.

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Umm...I can't think of anything else that could have meant other than a jab at his admitted drug use. "Community organizing" isn't that hard to say, why would he say "since Barack Obama was doing something in the neighborhood –­ and I won’t say what he was doing, but he said it in the book" to mean community organizing? OF COURSE THIS IS A SHOT AT OBAMA'S PAST DRUG USE!! Give me a goddamn break! 99% of people hearing that would assume drug use, 99% of people would be reminded of the drug issue. The snake just didn't come out and say that so he can claim "oh, I wasn't saying that". Give me a damn break. I'm so sick of Hillary, Bill and their backers, this crap has gone on long enough, it is despicable and every Democrat, no matter who they support should be disgusted.

And of course the Clinton supporters are sticking to the obvious retort "of course the Clintons aren't racist, that is ridiculous" because obviously they aren't, but if your head isn't up your ass you know damn well them being racist isn't the issue. They can be not racist and STILL be using race as a dividing point in order to win this election, and that is exactly what they are doing. The Obama campaign, to their credit, haven't been playing the race victims, which would be playing into Hillary's trap.

I swear to god, every day that goes by of their dirty campaign I become more and more disgusted with them. In the very beginning I would have voted for Hillary in a general election as the lesser of two evils, then, I became so disgusted that I wouldn't vote for her in a general, I would have rather not voted at all, but every day this filth continues, I get closer and closer to the point of being willing to vote for a Republican out of spite if she wins the nomination. McCain and Huckabee have shitty policies and I'd hate them as presidents, but at least they come off as decent human beings. Regardless of their lies about the surge and all that, I would still trust either of them LONG before I could trust anything that came out of that slime Hillary's mouth, or her pathological lying husbands. They DISGUST me, and I'm ashamed they are in the same party as me.

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I think it's time that Obama's most credible and visible endorsers speak out on his behalf against this sleazy bullshit being thrown out by the Clintons.

Is it a wonder that both Karl Rove and Newt Gingrich have endorsed Hillary in the last 2 days. There's obviously no difference between the Clintons and the GOP anymore. Maybe it started with her Iraq vote.

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I love how Bob Johnson actually has the nerve to guilt-trip us if we misinterpreted his statement. He's not even a good liar. I guess the phrase "doing something in the neighborhood ," is code for community service now? Come on.

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Great, Lisa! Go vote for a Republican instead of Hillary Clinton... That really makes a lot of sense. John McCain wants to stay in Iraq for 100 years. Mike Huckabee wants to arm students with guns to avoid another Virginia Tech incident. Rudy Giuliani wants to out-Bush W (boo! be very afraid).

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LOL. That's the worst defense of a quote I have ever seen. Ok, he hints at an ominous "something" that Obama was doing in the neighborhood and that something is...being a community activist?

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Count me among those who are done with Hillary for good. I'll write in somebody in November rather than vote for her style of politics. That goes for the endless triangulating (and subsequent lying about it), too.

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Are Johnson's comments a surprise to anyone who has actually seen the programming he ran on BET before selling it? Give me a break. This man exploited the community for years by profiting off of softcore porn videos with BET Uncut and he is going to act as if he is a moral authority on mistakes a teenage kid made in the 70's?

This just keeps getting worse and worse. But I think a previous post is spot on. Clinton is brilliantly using this strategy to scare up the white vote into an Obama backlash on February 5. If this is what it takes to win your party’s nomination then more power to you. I for one will vote McCain or Bloomberg. Hillary Clinton’s conduct has been disgusting.

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Way to race bait against your own people, way to promote racial stereotypes about drug use in order to support the political dynasty of the Clintons.

And what exactly have they done for African Americans exactly?? Was it Bill's "welfare reform" that kicked tons of poor people off much needed government assistance? Was it NAFTA and corporate deregulation which only made harder for minority ownership in the media? How ironic that rich ass Bob Johnson would come trash on Obama for them. It makes sense, BET was founded long before Reagan, Bush and Clinton deregulated the media, so by the time Clinton came around with his pro-corporate economic policies it didn't hurt Johnson at all, in fact, if anything the deregulation helped him by making sure no other minority media outlets would be able to challenge BET. He doesn't talk for his people, he is about as black as Condi. What a corporate sellout, he fits in great with Bill "I love big business" Clinton and Mrs. Wal-Mart Hillary "I love lobbyist money" Clinton.

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Anonymous,

I'm with Lisa on this. I won't vote for Clinton.

Here is the question you have to ask yourself at some point: Do we stand for a god damn thing execpt for winning? Do you want to support a President who governs like she runs? Do you think she has the ability to set progressive causes back 20 years like she did to the cause of universal healthcare?

If she's the nominee, we are better off losing. I sincerely believe this.

While there is still time, let's make sure that this person is not the face of our party for the next generation.

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Thanks NCSteve. I feel the same way. I guess the question is, who would be the most credible person to blow the whistle on what's happening here. I would think someone in Clinton's camp, but I know that's not happening anytime soon.

And Lisa, I'm with you. I expect this type of crap from Republicans, I don't expect it from the Clintons.

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Anyone have an email address for the Clinton campaign and Bob Johnson?

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The Clinton's do whatever it takes; that includes sending this country backwards with regards race. If you can't see this then you should have your right to vote revoked.

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I'm waiting to see if Bill is going to start running around the suburbs in blackface trying to scare the whites into voting for Hillary.

Yeah, that is probably a bit of a stretch...but I also would have never imagined their campaign would have done the kind of crap they have been doing. I would be shocked with Bush/Cheney/Rove/Romney/Giuliani stooping this low (and not just this), but a supposed Democrat, trying to destroy an extensively popular fellow Democrat in a primary? I'm at a loss for words.

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Hey guys,

Just before an Obama rally the other day I saw him doing something - I won't say what - with an attractive, blond 19 year old college student while the Clintons were protecting our civil liberties. Yeah, *wink* *wink*. You know what I'm talking about.

Oh, what? No, that's not what I meant. I meant I saw him shaking her hand. I'm SO OFFENDED you could possibly have thought I was referring to anything else! You ridiculous Obama supporters and your politics of personal destruction. When will it ever end!

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These people are gross

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Holyromanempire,

Post of the year. Thanks.

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Does that woman think that if nominated, Obama supporters will give her the time of day?

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Can't wait for Sheila Johnson to become an Obama bundler just to irritate her ex-husband!

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Jeremy and Michele,

Thanks for the comments. As far as my 'not paying attention' and your belief that 'nothing in the Obama response was about race', if you two can't see how Obama's campaign countinuous reaction to ferreted out bits from Clinton staffers to hold up as racist then you are blind.

Obama is playing right into the Republican's hands with the constant bellyaching that this that and the other is all racist. I'm sure they are lapping it up and looking forward to an even bigger time with that 'non-played race card' in the general election.

If Obama wants to claim he's not playing the race card then let him run a genuinely color blind campaign. Let him run on his merit rather than retreating to the same old claim of racist comments.

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It's too bad that so many Obama supporters don't seem to understand that laws are enacted by elected officials. MLB was a powerful leader and advocate of civil rights but he held no official position. He could affect public opinion but it still required support from those who held the the actual hands of power. What Hillary said was an acknowledgment of of how things really work. To imply that she was somehow disparaging MLK is disappointing to hear from the supposed advocate of a new political order. That reeks of old politics of the worst way.

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The funniest part of all of this? The Clinton camp saying that he was referring to Obama's time as a community organizer...sure, that's what he was referring to as "doing something in the neighborhood."

This is not the Obama campaign playing the race card--Donna Brazile and Rep. Clyburn have both said they found some of the comments coming out of the Clinton camp to be irresponsible and hurtful--both neutral parties unaffiliated with the Obama campaign.

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Here, look at this poll:

Pres '08
Jan 13 Rasmussen
McCain (R) 48%, Clinton (D) 39%

McCain is going to get their nomination, because they want to win. If he gets their nomination and Hillary gets ours, WE ARE GOING TO LOSE AND LOSE BIG!!! Obama brings in masses of independents and even some moderate Republicans, Hillary pushes away even large chunks of her OWN PARTY!!

I don't think people are understanding this...starting in 2006 we began riding a wave of backlash against the Republicans, in 2008 we are poised, if we have the right candidate, to do it again. We've seen the kind of turnout that Obama can create, not from crying or getting ridiculed by the media, but by inspiring people, energizing America like it hasn't been energized in decades, if ever. We can increase our majorities in both houses of Congress and take back the White House! If Hillary wins our nomination, we can kiss Congress goodbye. The Republicans will use conservative hate of Hillary (50% of Americans have already said they will NEVER vote for her) to rally their troops and turn out in record numbers. When they go to the polls in these record numbers, they will vote against every Democrat on the ticket, destroying our chances to increase our majorities, or even killing our majorities altogether. In the VA-01 special election the Republicans already ran attack ads against Congressional opponents using Hillary's picture right next to theirs. This WILL HAPPEN all over America. If we don't lose our majorities altogether in 2008, we will lose them in 2010 (if Hillary is president, which probably won't happen) just like Bill lost Congress during his administration. And if McCain is nominated, we don't even have to worry about that because he WILL win, there is NO WAY Hillary can beat him. Obama has a good chance, polls have shown Obama beating McCain. We can do it with Obama, but we will lose our best chance in decades if Hillary is our nominee! We will also prove to the world that we are incapable of real change...this is make or break time and we are on the verge of throwing it all away because of the political ambitions of the Clintons, and the blind following of many establishment democrats who unconditionally support the Clintons, no matter how dirty their campaign is, and no matter how much they will lie to get ahead.

So what I'm saying is WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Well, in the face of real challenge the Clintons turn to a Karl Rove campaign, using Johnson to place their version of a Willie Horton ad. This is exactly the kind of politics of division that has run this country into the ground over the past dozen years - and it is precisely why we need someone to take us all together beyond Bushes and Clintons and Roves and Johnsons.
Having felt uncertain of which way to turn, Hillary's campaign has made clear to me the need for Obama. In a Hillary-McCain fight, McCain's reputation for honor will prevail despite his dreadful politics.
Hillary's campaign has moved from inevitability to dirt and disgrace.

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Part of what the democratic nominee is being the face/leader of the Democratic Party. When you look forward to the general election campaign and the senators, representatives and governors who will be running as DEMS as well, begin to ask yourself this question.

Do they want to Obama to come to their rally with his message of hope, inspiration, change, and ending partisan politics or do they want to be standing beside the oft hated Hill (and what she represents to the vast middle).

Folks in red or almost red states are deciding Obama. Nebraska, Missouri, Wisconsin. In fact this phenomenon already occurred in the ’06 elections in many cases.

The DEMS have taken the Black vote for granted for so long that they fail to realize it’s the main reason they win all the blue States. HRC figures that will happen even if she hurts the relationship to secure the nomination. But there is a reason DEMS can’t win in the other states and thus the White House.

Can Clinton or Obama best win Missouri, Colorado, New Mexico, Ohio? The traditional Blue States will really be behind Obama and even some incredible energy will also be released in the new-South, "the purple states" and the West.

With Clinton we’ll be facing a nail biter in PA, OH, MM, FL etc. just like before with fingers crossed and possibly hopes dashed. About 50% of the nation WILL NOT VOTE for her. Period.

Obama has the chance to actually expand the DEM hold and get things done with a majority that is less polarizing. Hillary stands to allow the REP to secure or even reverse the shift that started in ’06.

Wake up people.

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I am an angry liberal, too. I'm just not so angry that I will shoot myself in the foot like Lisa and Brad by falling for the anti-Hillary b.s. I have a friend who enjoys taunting me for being so far out on the Left that I will say and do things to ensure that the Democrats will be kept out of the White House permanently. This whole Hillary-Obama blood feud is exactly what the Republicans need to win the WH back with one of their lousy candidates. Let's not make McCain the default candidate for the WH because we Democrats are going to kill each other off... 100 more years of war in Iraq, "market solutions" for healthcare, more tax cuts for the rich to "save" the economy, more energy and drug legislation written by corporations, more signing statements and trampling of the constitution... so many things to look forward to if only the Democrats will bloody their nominee beyond electability before the convention! i can hear Karl Rove, W and Dick Cheney yucking it up right now!