At MLK's Church, Obama Denounces Homophobia And Anti-Semitism
Barack Obama spoke today at Atlanta's famous Ebenezer Baptist Church, the home church of Martin Luther King, Jr. In his speech, he discussed the need for unified action in solving the social problems of our time. "We have walls - barriers to justice and equality - that must come down," Obama said. "And to do this, we know that unity is the great need of this hour."
Obama also singled out the black community itself in his call for moral change: "We have scorned our gay brothers and sisters instead of embracing them. The scourge of anti-Semitism has, at times, revealed itself in our community. For too long, some of us have seen immigrants as competitors for jobs instead of companions in the fight for opportunity."
The full text of the speech is available here.

Where we are at:
At MLK's Church, Obama Denounces Homophobia And Anti-Semitism
That is a news headline. That's where we are at. Think about it.
January 20, 2008 7:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is a man who can speak the truth to people who may not want to hear it, and do it in a way that tells a beautiful story about WHY it's important.
Aside from this speech moving me to tears, I just cannot fathom that there are people in the Democratic Party - one that SAYS it supports all these values of the common good - who would deliberately choose Hillary Clinton over Barack Obama.
If Hillary is the nominee, I will know I've been sold a bill of goods by my own party for 36 years. I will know it's just about Blue Team vs. Red Team. Brutal political wars for the incremental 2% that can swing a swing state.
January 20, 2008 7:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama featured anti-gay Donnie McClurkin in his gospel tour in South Carolina in the fall, but now he's denouncing homophobia?
Once again, Obama is all talk, no action.
January 20, 2008 7:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well at least he says it to their faces! WWW.IVOTEDHISTORY.COM
January 20, 2008 7:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
..."our community"...
Reagan loving Obama is such a hypocrite. Like as if he has any part of the Southern Black Experience.
January 20, 2008 7:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am coming to the grim realization that Billary will likely win the nomination (all the while laughing at myself for ever thinking that that was in doubt).
I - (a lifelong liberal Democrat who luuurved Bill Clinton in the 1990s) am now relishing the thought of voting for McCain or, hopefully, Bloomberg in November.
Like Larry David said, "Just for spite."
(I do not vote for racebaiters as a matter of principle.)
January 20, 2008 7:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not sure if this a smart move. That kind of talk might hurt him with African-American voters in South Carolina. I can guarantee you Hillary will avoid using the word "gay" for the next week.
January 20, 2008 7:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hating Obama is like throwing popcorn at a battle ship. He's too sleek, too welded together, too well caulked.
Hating Hillary is like hating your high scholl french teacher. She's mean, humorless and petty.
January 20, 2008 7:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bitter in VA,
"Bitter and Spite" now that's quite the transformation from "Hope and Change".
January 20, 2008 7:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dare to dream:
http://nobhillobserver.blogspot.com/2008/01/speech-i-hope-edwards-makes.html
January 20, 2008 7:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Richard - Hating Obama seems so ridiculous. The man lifts people up. If you need to spew hate - go be a republican - then you can hate blacks, gays, liberals, single women - lots of people. I'm so sick of all the nasty comments.
January 20, 2008 7:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ahhh...so discouraged and soooo upset. I agree with Michael. If Hillary is the nominee I will leave the Democratic party of which I have been in for 35 years. If the voters chose her over Obama as the nominee than I know I do not have a home in the party. This is my take on Hillary: a smart hard working girl who probably would be a partner in a big law firm if she had not married Bill. So me she is not a model of a successful woman but rather a poster person for the little girls who wait for the knight in shining armor to make their dreams come true. She is a war hawk. She spent valuable time in the senate cozying up to Joe for such national challenges as violence in video games. I loved Bill Clinton but enuf is enuf. 28 years of Bush/Clinton is toooo much. How can we represent ourselves as a democracy where anyone can achieve their dream when we say through our votes that only 2 families are capable of occupying the White House for more than a quarter of a century. If it is Hillary I am voting third party in the GE...with a heavy heart...but I can not cast a vote for a Clinton or a Bush.
January 20, 2008 7:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
rg,
Who's hating anyone? Obama is a hypocrite and a Repub. Read the exit polls for chrissake! Repubs and right-wingers are his friends.
Dems vote Hillary or Edwards.
I'm not voting for Obama, nor will he be the nominee. But why hate him?
January 20, 2008 7:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
lifelongvoter-Agreed. Everyone thinks I'm joking when I say I won't vote for Hillary, but I am deadly serious. She turns my stomach.
January 20, 2008 7:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
There are plenty of other reasons why Obama is a better choice than Clinton, but it would be nice to have as president someone who is willing to challenge and elevate us as individuals. I really hope we don't piss this chance away.
January 20, 2008 7:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
lifelongvoter,
So you're a DINO, like many Obama supporters I'm sure.
What else is new?
January 20, 2008 7:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tom - With Hillary the election is all about calculated speech and moves, even tears.She won't ever be saying anything about gays, or saying anything that isn't completely safe to say for that matter - she's played it safe her whole life. Obama isn't about playing it safe. He's about calling people to live into democracy, expand themselves, take risks to bring the change that must come if we are really to accomplish what needs to be done in the next decade.
January 20, 2008 7:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Richard, you have the intellectual capacity of a child if you couldn't wrap your feeble little mind around the fairly basic observation that Obama was making about Reagan. Seriously, if you can't figure it out, and if you seriously believe that he was praising Reagan, you are a complete idiot, and I'm embarrassed for you.
On that, Hillary is on the record as saying that Reagan and Bush Sr and on her list of favorite presidents. Reagan is one of her FAVORITE PRESIDENTS!! Research your own candidate dumbass!
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=4674
She also campaigned AGAINST LBJ for a racist Republican. The SAME LBJ that she said was sooo great and more important than MLK to the Civil Rights movement. Hypocrite!
Basically Richard, your ignorance is pathetic and appalling. I hope to hell that you aren't a Democrat because I'd be embarrassed to be in the same party as someone so ignorant.
And JoeCHI, the McClurkin thing was a mistake, and he clearly condemned McClurkin's homophobia. He has been consistent in speaking out against homophobia wherever he goes, especially in front of African American crowds, were homophobia is all too prevalent. He, unlike Hillary, is willing to tell people what they may not be willing to hear, he has the strength to stand up to crowds and tell them that they need to change, whereas Hillary panders to each little subgroup and tells them only what they want to hear, and plays the part perfectly (read: women's group + tears = big win with women)
January 20, 2008 7:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Have any of you read the entire speech. Do that and then comment. It is by far the best speech that I have heard about civilo rights barring the MLKjr speech. Read it and listen to it if you can and be uplifted.
January 20, 2008 7:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama featured anti-gay Donnie McClurkin in his gospel tour in South Carolina in the fall, but now he's denouncing homophobia?-JoeCHI
How incredibly shallow. Obama is focused on finding common ground with people, even those whose views might run counter to 90% of his own. Why? Because he believes by working with such people, you can change attitudes. He also clearly believes that politics need not be personal. It's exactly your type of attitude that contributes to division in the country. Grow a soul.
It took a fair amount of political courage for Obama to say those things today in MLK's church. He should be admired for it. This is the kind of thing you will never see from HRC. Never.
January 20, 2008 7:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Billary fans consider this: Bill has slipped from the first black president to one half of a two person presidential team for whom no black person will vote.
January 20, 2008 7:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Grant.
Hopefully you will be a DINO one day, the alternative is pretty bleak.
January 20, 2008 7:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't you people think its a little early to be throwing in the towel?
99% of the delegates remain to be chosen. Obama leads by one in the delegate count (yeah, yeah, Hillary leads in party hack delegates, bfd). He's within three or four of her in polls that count likely voters, as to registered voters or everyone regardless of registration status.
http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/daily_presidential_tracking_polling_history
http://www.diageohotlinepoll.com/08_Jan_Data.pdf
And as of last week, it was only 38% - 33% among likely voters in California.
And oh yeah, he's about to win South Carolina.
Buck up, fer cryin out loud.
January 20, 2008 7:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow Richard, you really really ARE ignorant. That's pretty sad. Let's see:
Obama appeals to independents and some moderate Republicans, thus Obama is a Republican.
So since McCain appeals to independents and some moderate Democrats, does that make McCain a Democrat?
Yeah, didn't think so, you are an idiot. If you knew ANYTHING about the candidates you would know that Obama is more liberal than Hillary. But nooo, you are too damn lazy and ignorant to learn silly things like "facts", you'd rather just spew your ignorance at us, making yourself look like a total dumbass to people who know better. You are pathetic. Just..wow...pathetic..
January 20, 2008 8:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's amazing about Hillary backers is this: the stupid fucks think electing Billary will bring back the 90's. If this has crossed your mind, go get electroshock therapy immediately.
January 20, 2008 8:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
And can I just say, this is so typical of Hillbots, they will spew their nonsense, but it is all misinformed drivel...they typically don't know a damn thing about their own candidate or the other candidates they are attacking. They are as ignorant and stubborn as any Republicans I have ever seen. It really amazes me, because I thought our party was better than this, I thought that kind of reality-hate was a conservative thing, but apparently that kind of ignorance is alive and well in the Democratic party. That is the most amazing thing about this whole primary. It is very distressing.
January 20, 2008 8:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
About the Reagan thing? What this guy said.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/oliver-willis/running-for-president-no_b_82053.html
Guess he's just a DINO too.
January 20, 2008 8:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Grant,
I cannot speak for lifelongvoter, but I've always been a Democrat, a self-proclaimed liberal, and a frequent defender of the Clintons. I defended Bill through Paula Jones, I defended him when he lied under oath, I defended him through impeachment, I stood by Hillary through travelgate, I backed Hillary when she decided to "stand by her man." I defended the Clintons when the Naderites said they weren't liberal enough, even though they had many valid points.
I've argued with my friends and family to support the Clintons. I've put in my time for them, often over stupid problems of their own making.
Does it now make me a DINO that I've finally had enough? That seeing their lies and dirty tactics used against a decent man and candidate* has finally made me think, "forget it."
I will support Hillary if she wins the nomination. She is better than any of the Republicans. But I am not surprised and I cannot blame Democrats --- good lifelong Democrats --- if some of them say, "count me out."
*yes, I know he's not a saint.
January 20, 2008 8:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Grover Rover,
Again some facts: Hillary was 16 when she supported Goldwater. My political beliefs were not formed until AFTER college. As an adult I have ALWAYS supported the Democratic nominee.
Yours is the typical logic of an Obama supporter. Hillary was for Golwater in 1964, ergo, she is a conservative Republican. Also, Hillary and Bill were the Texas coordinators of the 1972 McGovern campaign. We all know what a conservative Republican George McGovern is!
January 20, 2008 8:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Obamas belong to the Trinity United Church of Christ whose senior paster, the one who Senator Obama says is his spiritual mentor, Rev. Wright, gives a lifetime achievement award to one of the biggest anti-Semites in the black community - Louis Farrakhan. Give me a break - oops that was used before and maybe it is deserved.
January 20, 2008 8:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Getting back on *ahem* topic, that was an amazing speech. I wish I could have heard/seen it.
January 20, 2008 8:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Never underestimate the love that southern African-Americans have for the Clintons.
January 20, 2008 8:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Give me break. Obama has spoken out against homophobia to black preachers before. When have Clinton or Edwards said anything like this to hostile audiences? See Pam's House Blend; she has endorsed Obama as the best candidate on LGBT issues.
http://tinyurl.com/2q2ggl
OT, Obama also talked about the ugliness of the NV campaign, and, in a speech that mentioned responsibility several times, offered a veiled mea culpa for his part in the badness.
"Last week, it [i.e. divisiveness] crept into the campaign for president, with charges and countercharges that served to obscure the issues instead of illuminating the critical choices we face as a nation. None of our hands are clean."
Classy. Can Hillary be far behind? Remember that the NH "truce" was announced first by Obama.
January 20, 2008 8:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Anonymous: I didn't accuse Hillary of being a Republican because she campaigned against LBJ in her youth. I just think that is some historical trivia that her supporters don't often know. But ahh, the typical tactics of a Hillary supporter, ignoring 99% of my arguments, and attacking one little thing, that wasn't even at the core of anything I was saying. You happened to overlook the fact that she is on record as saying that Reagan is one of her favorite presidents, and she still has this on her website, it isn't something from the 60s, it is current. Bush Sr is also one of her favorite presidents, and she even tried to get him to be part of her administration as a diplomat abroad. THAT is my point, the fact that her supporters are so stupid, that they can't understand simple historical observations by Obama, and they attack him as a Reagan lover, when THEIR OWN CANDIDATE is on record as saying Reagan is one of her favorite presidents! THAT is my point, the ignorance and the hypocrisy of you Hillbots, you attack because you blindly follow everything the Clinton campaign says, you are ignorant because you question nothing and don't actually know your own candidate or the candidates you attack. It is pathetic and sad.
January 20, 2008 8:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I used to really love the liberal blogosphere, and still do. But there are an awful lot of people who are still committed to a culture war that will never end. At some point, you need to be inclusive, or you end up being the mirror image of your enemy.
January 20, 2008 8:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm a lifelong Democrat. I support Hillary. I'm not all that enamored of Obama because I'm skeptical about his (or anyone's) ability to bring rightwinger's into a left-leaning coalition, but will gladly vote for him in the general election if he is the Democratic nominee.
Anyone who says they will not vote for the Democratic nominee if it is (fill in the blank) is not a Democrat. More than likely they are Republicans hijacking these threads to spew their anti-(fill in the blank) hatred and stir up dissent among real Democrats.
If you won't vote for the Democratic nominee-- you're not a Democrat and please, go spew your vile bile somewhere else.
January 20, 2008 8:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
And Bushwacker, give me a break, the links between that anti-Semite and Obama are so amazingly thin it is beyond ridiculous. Is that seriously all you have? That story was debunked before it even broke, how pathetic you are.
It is easier to link Adolf Hitler to Kevin Bacon via movies they have been in than it is to link Obama to Farrakhan.
January 20, 2008 8:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm with you Bitter in VA, lifelongvoter, and greenheron. After this campaign, I have a hard time seeing myself voting for her too. Won't vote Republican, though. Hope for a decent third party option.
January 20, 2008 8:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
grover_rover is typical of the kind of pseudo-Democrat I described above. Everything his candidate says is honest and inspirational and comes from the heart while anything Hillary says is dishonest and dissembling and comes from a soul-less politician completely driven by unvarnished ambition. Likewise, all of his candidate's supporters are intelligent and discerning while all of Hillary's supporter's are gullible and ignorant. This person is not a Democrat, is not a supporter of Obama, but more than likely a right-wing troll pissing on this site under a succession of aliases. No real Democrat would spew such hateful garbage at other Democrats. Ignore it and it will go away!
January 20, 2008 8:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm a lifelong Democrat as well, and about as far from Republican as you could possibly get. I have always voted straight Democrat on everything. I still have principles however. I have personally been so disgusted with how the Clintons have run their campaign, how low they have been willing to go, purposely lying to voters to get their vote, completely misrepresenting Obama and misrepresenting their own records...they have used GOP tactics ever since they started to feel threatened by Obama, and it is despicable. I am one of those dedicated Democrats who will not be able to stomach voting for Hillary after witnessing who she really is, and what her and Bill are willing to say and do to get ahead. They do not deserve my vote, and I cannot support them in good conscience. This isn't to say that I'd vote Republican against them, I wouldn't do that because I also couldn't do that in good conscience. Luckily I live in a place where my vote doesn't really matter anyway, so I can vote my conscience and it will have no impact on the election. But don't say that Democrats who are so disgusted with Hillary that they cannot bring themselves to vote for her aren't really Democrats, because if anything I think these people are more Democrats than the average Democrat. We still have principles, we reject the deplorable tactics of the GOP, we don't believe in power at all costs. We believe in honesty and integrity. We believe in change and we reject this kind of politics. We are true Democrats. We don't spew vile. We have principles and we have to stick to them. It is that simple. I applaud anyone who will vote on principle, and every day the Clintons resort to such despicable tactics, more and more loyal Democrats are getting to the same point.
January 20, 2008 8:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why wouldn't Senator Obama praise President Reagan? Both are known for their ability to give a good speech but come up short on the details.
Check out the facts folks, tax levels actually remained about the same during the Reagan era. He was no friend of the working person - remember he fired all the air traffic controllers and do you think Iran Contra was a proud moment in our history? But I did love how he could deliver a speech. His contribution - well he made it acceptable to say you are a conservative and what has that gotten this country, especially these past 7 years?
Do we want another President by Teleprompter?
And I agree with the comment about his church & it's pastor. An award to Farrakhan?! That guy is the poster child for hate. I would resign my church membership immediately. I haven't heard Senator Obama say anything about that disgraceful action by his church. But then again, he uninvited Rev. Wright at the last minute to the event when he announced his run for the presidency last March.
January 20, 2008 8:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama has so much out there that lets you know who he is. All you need to do is read. I read his memoir before he ran for office in Illinois. So I have this very solid impression of him pre-politics.
Richard - you sounded hateful - maybe you're not. But I am tired of the nastineess - Bill Clinton - the raging King Lear in the orange tie. The fact that indepenents and some moderate, reasonable republicans like Obama is not a bad thing - it's why he can win the general.
January 20, 2008 8:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama invokes Reagan, Obama invokes MLK. Listen to the cadence of his speeches -- excuse me, I mean his sermons, in which his speech pattern is structured like Martin Luther King's. Obama must have spent many hours practicing that technique. Then there's all this nonsense about the BAM.
There is no doubt in my mind that if Jim Jones were alive today, he would be a charismatic, messianic politician with a great following, because that's where the ego power is. Instead we have Obama, and yet these same Obies scorned the Repubs for their devotion to bush.
January 20, 2008 8:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Better late than never? Or did his campaign pollster decide that spurning gays early in the primary season was the reason he seems to be losing lately?
Oh, I get it, this is preparation for the Florida primary. He's appealing to the beautiful boys in South Beach, the golden oldies in St. Pete and the immigrant population in Miami.
Jeez, it's so unsubtle I'm surprised that God didn't strike him in church.
January 20, 2008 8:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hahaha, right. Then the Clintons must not be real Democrats then because they have spewed some vile lies about Obama. I never said that all Obama supporters are intelligent (although every survey does show that Obama gets more of the more educated voters, since you brought it up), although I have seen very few occasions where Obama supporters say something false about Obama or about other candidates. More often than not they have been on the defensive, like now, against you Hillbots spewing your hate and campaign-sponsored lies. However, the majority of the crap I hear from both the Hillary campaign, and their supporters (since they use the exact same talking points) is either blatant lies, or greatly distorted reality. Take for instance the Reagan thing. The Clintons are smart enough to know what Obama really meant, and to all other educated people these comments were obviously insightful and completely historically accurate. Yet the Clintons disingenuously use these comments and distort them and tell Americans that Obama loves Reagan. They LIED to Americans, REPEATEDLY, and they knew they were purposely trying to deceive voters, in order to get ahead. They did this counting on voters not to know any better (just like their supporters) and they were probably making the smart bet. That is just what Republicans have always done. This is fact, Obama supporters point this out, and then get accused of not being true Democrats? Screw you. If Hillary or Hillary supporters say something truthful, I won't say it isn't, but they are ALWAYS on the offensive, always spreading these lies, and ignoring obvious facts about their own candidate. I've always though Democrats were better than this, and I thought it was just a GOP thing, but again and again Hillary supporters prove me wrong. So you tell me, are Hillary supporters really so gullible and ignorant that they really believe all this filth they spew everywhere, or are they smart enough to know what they are saying are lies, and are just so unethical that they would lie to support their candidate and to attack other Democratic candidates? You tell me, but I think they are both pretty pathetic and low. Don't be a hypocrite though, don't accuse Obama supporters of being divisive and hateful toward other Democrats, because the Clintons and their supporters are the most divisive people I have ever seen in this party. The attacks started from the Clinton side, and the vast majority of them continue to flow from the Clinton side. Obama and his supporters have been on the defensive the entire campaign, and you tell me that WE are the anti-Democrat, hateful trolls? Give me a break..
January 20, 2008 8:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
wwjb--
Will you and your principles enjoy eight years of President Huckabee or (it hurts to even type this) President Guliani? I know many principled Nadar voters who would like to have a do-over on their 2000 vote if it meant sparing us from all that was wrought by the last 7 years of Bush-Cheney.
And I'm always amazed by posters like you who say things like "after witnessing who she really is" like you have any idea who Hillary really is. I don't know who she really is. I wouldn't assume to know who Obama really is. I don't even know what it means to really know who someone is. But, gee, good for you that you know who Hillary really is. Perhaps you have that same ability George Bush has to look into someone's eyes and see their soul. Good for you. Since you have this amazing ability, could you please tell us who Obama really is. I'm dying to know. And while you're at it, I've always wondered who Paris Hilton really is. Could you look into her soul and enlighten us as to who she really is?
January 20, 2008 8:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
goldberry, if you had paid any attention, you would know that he has consistently spoke of the need to erase homophobia, especially in front of African American crowds. Better late than never? He has been doing this from the beginning. Go get your facts straight.
January 20, 2008 8:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice going grover_rover, when all else fails invoke the name of Hitler - idiot (and I mean you grover)
"Mr. Wright recalled, 'with Farrakhan, a lot of his (Obama's) Jewish support will dry up quicker than a snowball in hell"
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/06/us/politics/06obama.html?_r=1&scp=2&sq=Jeremiah+Wright&oref=slogin
January 20, 2008 8:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks Eric!!!
xo
January 20, 2008 8:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
grover_raver: Yeah, yeah, gay people are cool to Obama. Kumbaya and all that.
I think you missed my point. He included gays, Jews and immigrants all in the same paragraph. And what groups are most likely up for grabs in Florida in just about a week?
I think Obama has some amends to make to the gay constituency after the McClurkin episode.
I'm just surprised at the chutzpah of such a overtly political statement. Jeez, if you're going to do it, make it look natural fergawdssakes.
January 20, 2008 8:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
grover_rover-- your post confirms everything I wrote about you and posters like you. You sound nothing like a Democrat. You sound nothing like the kind of person who would be attracted to Obama's message of inclusiveness, which is why I doubt your honesty and sincerity.
I admire Obama, I will vote for Obama in the general if he is the Democratic nominee because I am a Democrat. Reread my posts and your posts and then tell me who is divisive and hateful. Obama talks about inclusiveness and reaching across the aisle to work with people who disagree with us. Please take his advice. You would be a much better advocate for your candidate if you weren't such an apparently bitter and hateful person. Listen to Obama's speeches, read his books, and please use him as a role model.
January 20, 2008 9:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
rasher--
It isn't hard to get a feeling for who the candidates really are if you actually pay attention to what they say, what they do, and how they act. I've been paying attention for a long long time, so it isn't hard to know who they are. I make a point of researching every candidate, and knowing everything I need to know about them. I know who Hillary Clinton is, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to watch how the Clintons will say and do anything to get ahead. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the constant stream of fallacious attacks streaming out of the mouths of the Clintons, or their support of voter disenfranchisement (if certain groups of voters aren't likely to support them of course). Are you serious? Is it so hard to see the patterns, to see how shameless they are? It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure this out. All you have to do is pay attention, you don't even have to follow it all as closely as I do, it is fairly obvious. Really, just open your eyes.
And like I said, I don't live somewhere where my vote will make a difference one way or another, so me voting on principle won't make a damn bit of difference. Also, if Hillary comes up against McCain in the general election, nothing will save her. If you are sooooo concerned about winning the presidential election, maybe YOU should start looking at who you are supporting, because if you have paid any attention you would notice McCain is positioned quite well to win the Republican nomination, and if you have paid any attention at all you would also have noticed that all the polls (and common sense) indicate that McCain will destroy Hillary in a general election, just like all Republicans in competitive races against Democrats will do when the Republicans use Hillary on the ticket to mobilize the 50% of the country that can't stand her. So no, my vote isn't going to cost anyone the presidency, but I cannot say the same about yours. Wake up.
January 20, 2008 9:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bushwacker, are you serious? Did I call Hillary Hitler? No. Did I invoke Hitler's name in an attacking way whatsoever? No, pull your head out of your ass, lol, seriously!
If was OBVIOUSLY making a humorous allusion to the game "Back to Bacon". I was just making a point that the links to get from Obama to that bigot are harder to make than trying to link Adolf Hitler to Kevin Bacon. Is that invoking Hitler? Nope, don't think so.
But observe:
Adolf Hitler has a Bacon number of 3.
Adolf Hitler was in This Happy Breed (1944) with Laurence Olivier
Laurence Olivier was in Little Romance, A (1979) with Diane Lane (I)
Diane Lane (I) was in My Dog Skip (2000) with Kevin Bacon
Exactly.
January 20, 2008 9:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's a shame that so many of the people here who support Hillary Clinton reflexively react to everything Obama does with spite and derision rather than simply taking a moment to be proud that the man who gave a speech of such moral clarity today is a member of their party.
January 20, 2008 9:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Grover Rover:
Get your facts straight: If you didin't mean anything by saying Hillary was for Goldwater in 1964 then why did you say it?
That's right Bush 41 is one of her favorite presidents, which is why she must have sat out the 92' campaign.
If those are the best arguments you cancome up with you must be a Republican because your logic and reasoning (having none) is one.
January 20, 2008 9:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
wwjb--
So apparently you're the only one paying attention and doing due diligence and everyone who supports and admires Hillary Clinton are either too dumb to see through her act or are willing to support a candidate who is shameless and dishonest and just a really really bad bad person. Don't you see how arrogant that comes off? Like you and only you with your preternatural ability to perceive "who someone really is" has been able to figure out something so far beyond the rest of us mere mortals. You sure don't give the rest of us very much credit and actually insult anyone who believes something contrary to your beliefs.
I hold nothing against anyone supporting Obama. He's a great Democrat and an inspiring candidate. I will vote for him if he gets the nomination. I just have a hard time with so-called Democrats who so viciously attack fellow Democrats. It makes me question their allegience to the party. They sound so very very Republican when they spew those Republican talking points we all became so familiar with during the Clinton administration. It doesn't take a leap of logic to surmise that some of them might be posting on these sites pretending to be someone they're not.
January 20, 2008 9:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
MM - Good point. It was moral clarity.
Want to know who Obama is - just read his first book and his speeches.
It's hard to relax with the opportunity for morality and passion in a president and know that it is still such a long shot. But - I hope people still listen and see the opportunity for something really unique to happen.
January 20, 2008 9:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
grover, it is clear you are an unstable, paranoid person with now a Hitler fetish. Let's move on, you are wasting my time. And just for the record, all I mentioned is that you brought up Hitler, not that you called Senator Clinton Hitler.
Geez what a nut job. Have you noticed how many posters have taken exception to your comments? Do you also stalk orphans and the elderly as a hobby too?!
January 20, 2008 9:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oohhh, okay, so when people (Hillary supporters, Republicans, whoever) attack Obama, spread lies about Obama, come on here and say he loves Reagan and loves anti-Semites, even though all of these are OBVIOUSLY hateful lies meant to take down one of the best and brightest of the Democratic party, I'm supposed to do what exactly? I'm supposed to ignore it and stay above the fray? I'm supposed to pull a Kerry in 04 and ignore it and pretend it will go away and allow my candidate to get swiftboated by a bunch of liars?? I'm not the hateful and divisive one. I supported Hillary and Bill against Republicans back in the 90s, and up until the point she started lying about Obama and showing that she will do anything to win. I never agreed with all of her positions, or Bill's, but I thought they were decent people, but after seeing the lies and vile smears coming from the Clintons and their supporters, yes, I am bitter. How could one not be angry with such backstabbing lies coming from members of their own party?? I'm not the one who started this. I've always defended Democrats against unjustified attacks, and that is what I'm doing now. It isn't my fault the lies are now coming from "friendly fire". If you want to end the divisiveness, you need to look at who started it. Hillary drew first blood, I was hoping this would be a friendly primary, but she started the negative attacks, and she made them an integral part of her campaign strategy. Obama and his supporters have been on the defensive this entire campaign! But no, we are the hateful ones apparently...yeah, goddamn underdogs, just shut up and let the lies flow. Yeah right.
This was a post about Obama spreading a progressive message to a group that historically isn't receptive to it. This was a positive article, and it is full of Hillary supporters ATTACKING Obama, accusing him of being a hypocrite, an anti-Semite, a Reagan lover...all these divisive and despicable things...and you have the audacity to accuse me of being the one who is hateful and non-Democratic??? I can't believe you.
January 20, 2008 9:17 PM | Reply | Permalink