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ARG: Obama's NH Lead Goes To 11

The new American Research Group poll today gives Barack Obama a huge lead in New Hampshire, sustaining the bounce he got after the Iowa caucuses. Here are the numbers, compared to yesterday's poll:

Obama 39% (+1)
Clinton 28% (+2)
Edwards 22% (+2)

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Goes to 11? From 12?

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I agree with CalD--that is an odd headline.

In any event, it appears that compared to the last ARG poll, what has happened is that a lot of the undecideds basically just reallocated more or less evenly (undecided went from 9% to 3%).

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DTM wrote on January 6, 2008 10:55 PM:
I agree with CalD--that is an odd headline.

--- this shows the true color of "Eric Keefeld". any news favoring Obama gets hypered while any news favoring Clinton gets suppressed. This guy may not be particularly in favor of either candidate but he is clearly trying to follow media narrative. remember the headline of "Clinton leads Obama by only 2" after so-called Iowa surge!!! Would not a headline such as "Clinton leads slipping but still leads by 2 points"?

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I will admit to my headline bias.

I love, love, love This Is Spinal Tap.

Besides, a lead of 12 and a lead of 11 are statistically indistinguishable from one another. Obama is sustaining his bounce through this weekend.

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Eric,

My apologies on the headline. And please trust that I am kicking myself for missing the reference (I also love the movie).

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I actually wondered if that could be a reference to Spinal Tap. I can well understand the temptation. :)

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Eric, don't pay any attention to them. May I start by saying how thrilled we are to have you posting here? We are such big fans of your blog and all of your posts. I'm not speaking of yours personally, but the whole genre of the blogosphere.

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Eric Kleefeld wrote on January 6, 2008 11:06 PM:

"Obama is sustaining his bounce through this weekend."

--- Don't be so sure! No Sunday samples are included in any of the polls. With clinton's performance last night, undecided may start breaking clinton soon!

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Ni Daye,

Actually, this latest ARG poll, the latest CNN/UNH poll, the Gallup Poll, and the Franklin Pierce poll all include data from today.

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No Sunday samples are included in any of the polls. With clinton's performance last night, undecided may start breaking clinton soon!

ARG, CNN/WMUR, and Suffolk all included Sunday samples.

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DTM wrote on January 6, 2008 11:30 PM:
Ni Daye,

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that's news to me! they call me in the early morning? I'm very doubtful!

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Ni Daye,

I don't actually know when today the data was collected (the poll reports typically just specify dates, not times, and that is what places like RCP and pollster report). But for what it is worth, from what Blumenthal at pollster wrote, apparently Sunday afternoon is a good time for polling (people tend to be at home).

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Here's something to think about. The facebook generation are not only our children and grandchildren, they are the children and grandchildren of the Grand Old White Guys party. We have a candidate that they feel speaks for them. If he wins them over in their youth (as JFK won me over), it is good for the future of the Democratic party.

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Ni Daye,

The UNH poll said it included surveys taken "between January 5 and 3 p.m. January 6, 2008," which struck me as odd, but nobody asked me. It sounds like it was basically a 24-hour poll, but it would have included at least some people who saw the debate. It would not have included many though because the debate occurred during prime calling hours last night.

It's still to early for people to have consumed and digested much news coverage of the debate though, and the morning after coverage can often matter as much or more than the debate itself since not many people watch the actual debates. Seems like full effects of a debate on public opinion usually take at least a day or two to mature. Also CNN re-aired the debate this evening -- it wrapped up a just few minutes ago -- and it would not surprise me if at least as many people caught it tonight as last night.

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Um, did I see the same debate last night? I don't see how Hillary did that astounding to convince anyone differently.

Regardless, it doesn't matter. This one is going to go on for awhile. I cannot wait until locals around the country (including right here in MN) start commissioning polls again.

GMFORD,

I like your point. Regardless, I think any victory for idealism is the victory we should be looking for. Obama has a real opportunity to have an enormous impact on this country.

CalD,

For arguments sick, "if" Obama won the nomination, would you vote for him in the GE? Would you be tempted by a Bloomberg candidacy? Ni Daye, same question.

I'd vote for Clinton, were she the nominee.

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It's still to early for people to have consumed and digested much news coverage of the debate though, and the morning after coverage can often matter as much or more than the debate itself since not many people watch the actual debates... [I]t would not surprise me if at least as many people caught it [re-aired on CNN] tonight as last night.

That is a good point. Polls from Monday will be more interesting than polls today (although that would be true even if there had not been a debate, given that the election is Tues). That said, I noticed that the pundits were mostly commenting on the debate as a "victory" for Obama, so one would have to imagine a very discerning and independant minded crowd if one is pegging one's hopes on the idea that the post debate milieu will deflate the post-Iowa bounce. Not impossible, that, but not excessively likely in my humble opinion. I guess we will see tomorrow (and more importantly on Tues).

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I cannot wait until locals around the country (including right here in MN) start commissioning polls again.

Ditto that. I would be very interested to know where things stand in MO right now (where I live). More to the point, I cannot believe that no one is polling NV and SC right now. Come on! It was regarded as possible to poll in NH while IA was still looming. Is it really so difficult to keep track of the next two races while NH is still going on?

I guess that I just figure that my guy is going to win NH at this point, so I am anxious to know how the next races are shaping up. Call it hubris, but I am predicting Obama a distant first, with Clinton second and Edwards close on her heels.

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Angry Vet (formerly known as "M") wrote: "...For arguments sick, "if" Obama won the nomination, would you vote for him in the GE? Would you be tempted by a Bloomberg candidacy? Ni Daye, same question.

You bet your ass I would. I'd probably vote for Mike Gravel before I'd vote for a Republican, but I actually think Barack Obama is a pretty fine man, as politicians go. I may not think he'd make as good a president as Hillary Clinton -- I just don't believe he's quite seasoned enough yet -- and I wouldn't give him quite as long odds of winning the GE as I would her, but I'd consider it an honor and a pleasure to vote for the man if that's how things shake out.

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PS: A Bloomberg by any other brand name is still a damned Republican.

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CalD-

That's awesome. i'll stop annoying and pestering you with questions then.

I'll cease and desist with questioning your point of view, because, simply put, we both disagree on a mere value judgment, probably due mainly to our different lives and what we have both been through. Best of luck to your candidate.

I think all of the vitriol out there (including people on the Obama/Edwards side calling Sen. Clinton "Goldwater Girl") are just completely lacking in taste, and may have a tendency in heightening the vitriol and rhetoric of the race, instead of promoting a civil discourse.

Anyway, again, best of luck to you. I note that Clinton gained two points (total) in this poll and leave it be.

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PPS: Last night's debates are just now starting up again on CNN, in case anyone missed it.

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All the best to you too, Angry Vet. Catch up with you on the other side.

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If people are interested, new polls are now coming out with additional Sunday data. They are showing Obama further building his lead (his average at RCP is now +7.8).

For example, Zogby finally has an entirely post-Iowa tracking poll available, and it went from Clinton +1 to Obama +10 as 1/6 replaced 1/3. As that would imply, according to Zogby "the rush toward Obama was even more pronounced in the one day of polling after Saturday's Democratic debate in Manchester, where Clinton went on the attack against Obama and drew a rebuke from Edwards."

Similarly, the Suffolk tracking poll, which yesterday had the distinction of being the only entirely post-Iowa poll showing Clinton ahead, switched over to showing Obama with a lead as Sunday data replaced Friday data. So it is not looking like the debate helped Clinton.

As a final note, Edwards remains about 11 points behind Clinton in the RCP average. So, unless something dramatic happens, it looks like his anti-Clinton strategy (which I believe was designed to get him into the metaphorical "finals" against Obama) is going to fall short. And I really wonder if he will have the money to go on if he is something like 10 points behind Clinton and 20 points behind Obama.

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I think all of the vitriol out there (including people on the Obama/Edwards side calling Sen. Clinton "Goldwater Girl") are just completely lacking in taste, and may have a tendency in heightening the vitriol and rhetoric of the race, instead of promoting a civil discourse.

Hear, hear. We should be glad to have such a fine selection of candidates this year, who stand so obviously head-and-shoulders above the analogous group on the GOP side. All of our candidates would make good presidents (orders of magnitude better than the present office-holder). The appalling rudeness of some of the more bitter partisans here does no credit to any of our candidates, who are all much better than that. This goes doubly so for my fellow Obama supporters. Our man is much better than that, and we should be too.

Besides, we will need the votes of these good people when our man takes the nomination in March. Now is not the time to burn bridges.

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