Romney added: "Oh, unless you are attacking an atheist. You Evangelicals can attack atheists all you want for not sharing your religious beliefs. But not Mormons."

Religion is USian politics goes too far. I am done with the dueling Rapturian bullshit. Everyone knows that the FSG hates this stuff.

Apparently Huckabee is right on this one! It's part of the Mormon creation myth and fundamental to their praxis and eschatology.

19th Century Scientology

See for yourselves! http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/70372/

Yes - we must all endorse our fathers beleifs

and our fathers thier fathers

and thier fathers thier fathers

and so on and so on

down the evolutionary line
till we arrive at a place in the beginning - 6000 years ago

Moron - isum

Mormons do believe Jesus and Satan are brothers! Both are spirit-sons of God -- as are all of us, by the way. So I think Huck is getting a bum rap on this. And Mitt is being extremely disingenuous in calling Huck's remark an "attack."

From the official LDS website:

http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,11-1-13-6,00.html

A Savior and Leader Was Needed

When the plan for our salvation was presented to us in the spirit world, we were so happy that we shouted for joy (see Job 38:7).

We understood that we would have to leave our heavenly home for a time. We would not live in the presence of our heavenly parents. While we were away from them, all of us would sin and some of us would lose our way. Our Heavenly Father knew and loved each one of us. He knew we would need help, so he planned a way to help us.

We needed a Savior to pay for our sins and teach us how to return to our Heavenly Father. Our Father said, "Whom shall I send?" (Abraham 3:27). Two of our brothers offered to help. Our oldest brother, Jesus Christ, who was then called Jehovah, said, "Here am I, send me" (Abraham 3:27).

Jesus was willing to come to the earth, give his life for us, and take upon himself our sins. He, like our Heavenly Father, wanted us to choose whether we would obey Heavenly Father's commandments. He knew we must be free to choose in order to prove ourselves worthy of exaltation. Jesus said, "Father, thy will be done, and the glory be thine forever" (Moses 4:2).

Satan, who was called Lucifer, also came, saying, "Behold, here am I, send me, I will be thy son, and I will redeem all mankind, that one soul shall not be lost, and surely I will do it; wherefore give me thine honor" (Moses 4:1). Satan wanted to force us all to do his will. Under his plan, we would not be allowed to choose. He would take away the freedom of choice that our Father had given us. Satan wanted to have all the honor for our salvation.

Hey, as long as they don't start blaming the Jews for everything, I say sit back and enjoy and the show.

I cannot believe that in this country, in the year 2007 we are allowing this absolute utter bullshit to infect a presidential campaign.

I mean come on. That anyone at all can possibly take seriously candidates who believe in magic underwear, think Native Americans are a lost tribe of Israel, believe in magic gold books no one could see, polygamy, trace their family roots back to Adam and Eve, believe the earth is 6,000 years old, question evolution, and on and on.

Seriously. Is this what we've become? A nation of complete blithering morons who'd rather believe in fairy tales and lies because it's easier than fixing the problems we have?

For anyone who is interested, Mormon creation mythology is lifted straight out of Milton's "Paradise Lost."

A modest question:

Why doesn't their God make an appearance and tell us what it thinks of all those conflicting claims about who has the direct pipeline to it?

God; call us. You can appear on Fox or Oprah, and sort the whole thing out.

Don't be such a lazy arse. Time for you to step in and put an end to all this confusion. Get your lazy arse off those clouds and fix it. No more candles for you, until you hold up your end.

I was going to make substantially the same observation as Keith -- that the Mormon mythology concerning Satan is not all that far removed from the medieval Christian mythology of Satan/Lucifer as a fallen archangel. Milton supplements that myth with borrowings from Classical mythology and his own inventions, but the backbone of the story is within the older tradition.

I think Huckabee is trying to refute Romney's claim that Mormons are just as much Christians as Baptists, but without actually flat-out saying so.

In the end, it seems to me, is not so much the specific details of what you believe as how you act on it. Mythology springs from a culture's deepest values, and it's possible to believe in a myth's philosophical truth without believing it to be literally true.

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Actually, Romney only had it half right! It's time for both of these ignorant, racist, gasbags to go straight to hell, whatever and wherever they think it is!!

After reading the ongoing debate regarding Huckabee's comments on Mormanism, I wonder if it is really possible that Huckabee is capable of performing a true miracle: giving the Democratic presidential candidate a chance to do well in Utah.

TOO far
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Goldspinner --

While I have grown weary of defending my Mormon faith on these often-interesting-but-not-infrequently-intolerant-and-condescending comment boards...,

I should note that I have NEVER heard the "White Horse Prophecy" taught in any church class -- not in Indiana, not in Utah, not at two different church-run universities. Nor have I preached it in the Gospel Doctrine and Priesthood courses I have taught. Ever.

So for everyone who assumes that the three-hour block of church we Mormons attend is full of this kind of stuff... it's really not. I'm sure most would be blown away by how unshocking (and yes, sometimes boring) classes generally are.

I could never defend everything my church has done. All churches are run by imperfect persons who make mistakes -- and sometimes by persons that do bad things intentionally. I don't even necessarily agree with every position my church officially takes (see gay marriage). That said, I still know what my faith is and why I have it, even if commenters here want to compare it to believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

Oops, I forgot to mention that Hugh Nibley expounded on the topic back when I was in the Ninth Ward...in Sunday School.

Anyone who thinks that the 'pugs don't have a chance on '08 haven't seen how really weak our field is. I mean, let's be honest...Obama is inexperienced, Hillary has more baggage than a Sky Cap, and Edwards couldn't beat Kerry who couldn't beat Bush.

I feel sick....

Obama being a drug dealer scares me, however his dicrion reminds me of Richard Pryor!!!.