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Poll: Rudy Gives Hillary Tough Run In New Jersey

A new Quinnipiac poll gives a bit of weight to Rudy's argument that he's the Republican who can put blue states in play, finding that he's in a virtual dead heat with Hillary in New Jersey, 45%-44%.

It's true that Jersey is notorious for having the polls show close races between Dems and Repubs, only to tilt blue on a reliable basis, but these numbers are noteworthy.

In one surprising finding, the survey also finds that though Rudy enjoys a wide lead over his rivals in the state's GOP primary, he has slipped 10 points since October -- and much of that went over to Mike Huckabee.


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If you actually look at the report (linked above), the Clinton/Giuliani trail heat every Qinnapiac U poll of NJ since July has been this close. I've also seen polling from other sources earlier in the year that had Giuliani giving Clinton a sound drubbing in NJ others more recently that had Clinton eating Rudy's lunch.

But you're correct in saying that we're getting up to that time of the election year when Garden Staters invariably start having Republican fantasies. You're also correct that they begin returning to their senses as the election approaches and once the Democratic machines in Hudson, Bergen and Passaic counties swing into operation on top of that, the result of most statewide elections turns out to be a solid win for Democrats.

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Considering how the race has tightened in the early states and that Giuliani has been sinking like a rock, I would, if I were the editor of TPM-EC see a story elsewhere: Clinton continuing strength in large delegate-rich states: (emphasis mine):

December 13, 2007 - Clinton Up, But Giuliani Slips In New Jersey Primaries, Quinnipiac University Poll Finds

New York Sen. Hillary Clinton has increased her Democratic presidential primary lead in New Jersey while former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani has seen his Republican primary lead shrink, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today. But both front-runners remain deadlocked in a one-on-one matchup.

Among Democrats, Sen. Clinton leads Illinois Sen. Barack Obama 51 - 17 percent, with 7 percent for former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards. This compares to a 46 - 20 percent Clinton lead over Obama in an October 17 poll by the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University.

Giuliani leads Arizona Sen. John McCain 38 - 12 percent, with 8 percent for former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, 7 percent for former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and 4 percent for former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson. This compares to a 48 - 12 percent Giuliani lead over McCain October 17.

In a presidential showdown, Clinton gets 45 percent to Giuliani's 44 percent, unchanged from a 44 - 44 percent tie October 17.

"New Jersey voters know the girl and boy next door, Sen. Hillary Clinton and Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, and apparently are sticking with them. There's no Oprah bump in Sen. Barack Obama's numbers and the Huckabee factor is minor in the Republican race, where Sen. John McCain is the second place contender," said Clay F. Richards, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.

"But Giuliani has slipped 10 points among Republicans and those votes seem to have bypassed McCain and gone to Gov. Huckabee."

"If Clinton and Giuliani are the nominees, the outlook right now is for a real horse race in normally Democratic New Jersey," Richards added.

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No horse race if one of the horses is stuck in the barn.
I agree with the posters above. Guiliani was the only candidate who could have made NJ competitive for the GOP. But with his recent Sex on the Cith scandal and his spinning to the right on gay rights, abortion, immigration to appeal to the wingnut base - he'll be tainted goods by the time Feb 2008 rolls around.

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I have a better headline for you dc. Any dem is doing great in "delegate rich" states, because the states are royal blue and Mr. 9/11's policy positions are more extreme than the king's. The dems would only be so lucky if he wound up being the republican nominee. Talk about landslide, unless of course the dems are dumb enough to nominate clinton II, then it would be an ugly, disgusting mud-slinging race with the result up in the air til the bitter end.

This post is silly. First, they had to search high and low to find a post with a positive spin for clinton II, because of all the bad press in the last 24 hours. Then its a poll about how great she is doing in New Jersey?????? I bet Jersey hasn't gone red since the b-movie actor, like NY. What a joke.

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Michael A wrote on December 13, 2007 1:59 PM:

I have a better headline for you dc. Any dem is doing great in "delegate rich" states, because the states are royal blue and Mr. 9/11's policy positions are more extreme than the king's. The dems would only be so lucky if he wound up being the republican nominee. Talk about landslide, unless of course the dems are dumb enough to nominate clinton II, then it would be an ugly, disgusting mud-slinging race with the result up in the air til the bitter end.

This post is silly. First, they had to search high and low to find a post with a positive spin for clinton II, because of all the bad press in the last 24 hours. Then its a poll about how great she is doing in New Jersey?????? I bet Jersey hasn't gone red since the b-movie actor, like NY. What a joke.

Sometimes, you gotta think before posting. Before we get too far ahead of ourselves, we must remember that there is a nomination to be won, and my thesis has been that this remains Hillary's race to lose because of her strength outside of the early states, which have always been competitive and unpredictable (Buchanan, McCain, Robertson, Tsongas, did well in the early states but got nowhere after that.) Therefore a poll that shows Clinton increasing her lead to a whopping 51%-17% (from 48%-20% in mid-October) over Obama in delegate-rich state like NJ, while at the same the race is tightening in the early states, supports my theory. Any Dem might do well in delegate-rich blue states against the GOP but what is the picture for the Dem nomination? A Dem would first have to be nominated before s/he could go on and do well against Rudy or any other GOP nominee. For now, Clinton is still winning hands down in NJ despite the tightening of the race in the early states. Got the relevance of this poll now?

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How about HILLARY GIVES RUDY a TOUGH RUN?
The same could be said.

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