Idaho Statesman Dishes More Dirt On Craig
Oh boy. The Idaho Statesman has investigated additional allegations of illicit gay sex involving Senator Larry Craig (R-ID) — including one from former Denver prostitute Mike Jones, already famous for outing Ted Haggard — and there might just be something to these additional accusations:
As with the Statesman's August report, the new evidence is not definitive. There are no videos, no love letters, no voice messages. Like last August, they are he-said, he-said allegations about a man seeking discreet sex from partners whom he counted on to never tell.But the Statesman's investigation, which included reviews of travel and property records and background checks on all five men, found nothing to disprove the five new accounts. The men offer telling and sometimes similar details about what happened, or the senator's travel records place him in the city where sex is alleged to have occurred, or his accusers told credible witnesses at the time of the incident.















So what. The Congressman likes guy-on-guy sex. If it really mattered to his constituents or to his wife or to his masters in the Repugnican Party, he'd be gone. Craig's just another hypocritical right-wing Nazi nut member of the most venial political institution in American history, that is to say, a Repugnican.
December 2, 2007 4:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Larry is a fascist.
He's also a pervert, probably not gay, but way beyond that.
The most significant thing he is though is a hypocrite! He along with many others were very successful at criticizing and pounding day after day at the dems for what they were in fact more than guilty for. This takes 'hypocriticism' to record heights.
I'm a republican, Craig is no republican.
The dems need to start calling these people what they really are, rather than rolling over all the time & for one letting the fascists find new ways to make 'liberal' into a dirty word.
Would be great the next time I hear "the liberal blah blah blah from New York" - I also want to hear, "back at yah a hundred times worse you fascist blah blah blah blah blah from Texas!"
December 2, 2007 6:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
"He's also a pervert, probably not gay, but way beyond that"
Where do I send the cleaning bill for the shirt I ruined with the spit-take this sentence invoked?
Absolutely hilarious, if it weren't so pathetic.
Just to be clear, does this mean that gay people are merely perverted, but Larry is some undefinable monster that is 'way beyond' either gay or perverted?
Of course the truth is, he is neiter perverted nor a monster, or very likely gay.
If it is true that he has been engaging in sexual activity outside of his marriage then is an adulterer and a liar. It makes not a whiff of difference if he chooses male or female partners for his adultery.
If it is true that he hasa engaged in prostitution as part of his alleged adultery, then he is also guilty of solicitation. A crime that should not be a crime in the first place.
That is where we should be, sadly as clearly demostrated, we have a long way to go.
As a bisexual man, I can understand the difficulty that other bisexual men face in this culture. Larry Craig, if the allegations are true, would be a closeted bisexual man with signifcant behavioral issues that need to be addressed in what would likely be years of therapy. For that we should not attack him.
For being a adulterer, cheating on his wife, putting her health at risk with his patently outrageous choices, for these things he should be pilloried.
December 2, 2007 7:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry bout the typos, it is early on Sunday morning.
I am also disturbed by the Statesman's decison to run with the stories based on the notion that the 'allegations can't be disproved'.
That opens up a really big can of journalism ethics, or at least in my mind it should.
It also can't be disproved that politician X is working for the Devil. I am sure we can round up for gay or straight men that will make the allegation and are willing to put their names in print.
Is this really the standard that we want to live by? Allegations that can't be disproved?
December 2, 2007 7:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
The reason Larry Craig's personal actions matter to the country is because he helps to pass or defeat measures that affect Americans.
His lack of compassion or empathy for those who are gay or bisexual is reflected in his voting record.
Sadly, he could have chosen to be a light; instead, he symbolizes darkness.
December 2, 2007 7:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Will the WaPo pick up the Statesman story and put it on the front page as they did with the Obama is a muslim story?
December 2, 2007 7:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
By the standards of some of these comments, you would not be able to prove anything unless you had pictures. The article explicitly says that they checked Craig's travel schedule, the witnesses backgrounds and talked to others who had been told CONTEMPORANEOUSLY of encounters. Now, it is possible that this is all an elaborate setup, but it would have taken a heck of a lot of work and many cooperating people who apparently don't live in the same city. Why would they bother, when the guy is already resigning? Why not go through all this trouble to go after someone new?
When you add all this to the account of a policeman in Minneapolis, it is pretty convincing.
December 2, 2007 8:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
All of this is pushing Craig to thoughts of suicide. Why keep kicking him when he's down?
December 2, 2007 8:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
TJ- umm, I hate to tell you, but Larry Caig IS a Republican.
Welcome to the party of hypocrites, fascists, closet-gays, and "compassion".
TJ, wake up and smell the Party.
December 2, 2007 9:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Why would they bother, when the guy is already resigning?"
Let's be clear - he is *not* resigning - he's simply not running for reelection next year. Big, big difference.
December 2, 2007 10:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's really early here on the west coast, so forgive me if the tone of this sound a little off or if I can't get my spelling "straight."
I guess I see this in a different light. The apparent contradiction between Larry C's lifestyle, voting record and party affiliation seems merely to be a surface phenomenon. In truth, the modern republican party gains its strength from men like Craig and others who have something to hide and the party has capitalized on these "dirty" secrets to make arm twisting a much more efficient mechanism. If a party thrives more on internal authority than coalition building, then that party can take advantage of secrets, lies and dirty laundry to ensure that business gets done. Starting with the president himself and going down, the power can be AND IS exerted through the skeletons in the closet. That is not to say that there is some central file cabinet with all the dirt (though, hey, that would be interesting!); rather, diffuse knowledge and constant surveillance of everyone by each other leads to internal social promotion the discipline of the republican village. Promote larry craig, he'll do what we say because...
Of course, there are plenty of people who get off from the very repression we see in the external tropes of republican behavior and those people are naturally attracted to an authoritarian party that makes their secrets all the more titillating. There are also plenty of men who will say they are not gay but who are quite happy with occasional man-on-man action. The latter are quite simply hypocrites. But let's not confuse hypocrisy and what has become a structural device for control, punishment and promotion within the "party of values."
December 2, 2007 10:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's really early here on the west coast, so forgive me if this makes no sense.
I guess I see this in a different light. The apparent contradiction between Larry C's lifestyle, voting record and party affiliation seems merely to be a surface phenomenon. In truth, the modern republican party gains its strength from men like Craig and others who have something to hide, the party has capitalized on these "dirty" secrets to make arm twisting a much more efficient mechanism. If a party thrives more on internal authority than coalition building, then that party can take advantage of secrets, lies and dirty laundry to ensure that business gets done. Starting with the president himself and going down, the power can be and is exerted through the skeletons in the closet. That is not to say that there is some central file cabinet with all the dirt (though, hey, that would be interesting!); rather, diffuse knowledge and constant surveillance of everyone by each other leads to internal social promotion the discipline of the republican village. Promote larry craig, he'll do what we say because...
Of course, there are plenty of people who get off from the very repression we see in the external tropes of republican behavior and those people are naturally attracted to an authoritarian party that makes their secrets all the more titillating. There are also plenty of men who will say they are not gay but who are quite happy with occasional man-on-man action. The latter are, quite simply, hypocrites. But let's not confuse hypocrisy and what has become a structural device for control, punishment and promotion within the "party of values."
December 2, 2007 10:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
andyw, what you're describing is a "crime family" - that the repugs operate as a crime family.
December 2, 2007 11:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
TheraP:
Yeah, I guess I am. Thanks for pointing that out.
December 2, 2007 11:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Larry says he is not gay:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHCrOtSzIBg&feature=related
December 2, 2007 11:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is the ideal scenario for Dems to have a chance in the state. Campaign Diaries ranks this race 15th most vulnerable only in its latest detailed Senate rankings, but it is clear that if Craig continues to be a shadow on the state GOP it could spell trouble for the party's nominee.
December 2, 2007 12:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
During one of Republican presidential candidates, Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.) was asked about Craig (R-Idaho) and some of the other scandal-plagued members of the GOP caucus. Here's his reply:
"That's one thing about our party: When our guys have problems like this, they leave -- they leave the Senate or they leave the House. When the Democrats have problems like this, they often make them chairman of -- of their respective committees."
Uh huh.
December 2, 2007 1:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
All the biggest pervs are Republicans. I can hardly wait for someone to ask Rudy who he was screwing on Sept. 10.
December 2, 2007 1:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
I thought we had already seen plenty of evidence in this BATHROOM SURVEILLANCE FOOTAGE
December 2, 2007 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oops, I mean THIS bathroom surveillance footage! (There's so much of it going around...)
December 2, 2007 1:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
It depends on what he thinks meaning if gay is. Maybe he is thinking that "gay" is wanting an emotional relationship with a man. He does not. He thinks he is straight with just a little fetish...like a foot fetish..only his fetish is various sexual entcounters with males. Sick and twisted as that definition may be. I think that is how he defines it.
December 2, 2007 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Craig is neither happy or glee-filled.
He has a three foot long wooden rod up his arse and craves meanless man flesh on man flesh sexual release.
Craig has never been either happy or glee-filled.
December 2, 2007 4:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I saw a potential problem with these new allegations regarding Craig. As more proof arises, Craig can be isolated by the right as a "lone" gay cannon - an exception if you will to the upstanding Republican majority. Without these allegations, Craig could be considered as one of the pack of deviants, thieves, liars and crooks that the Republican party has become.
December 2, 2007 8:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
JohnW1141 wrote on December 2, 2007 7:54 AM:
Will the WaPo pick up the Statesman story and put it on the front page as they did with the Obama is a muslim story?
The WaPo should have lots of space available: it didn't bother to cover the Scott McClellan "here's the list of people in the WH who told me to lie about outing Valerie Plame" story.
December 2, 2007 11:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
What is it with these "family values" and the "sanctity of marriage" types?
Perhaps before they preach to us about how we should behave and mandate laws about what does and doesn't constitute a marriage, they should get their own dysfunctional and hypocritical houses in order.
Larry Craig is just the latest example of a long list of ultra-conservative, faux patriotic, often Bible thumping hypocrites, that has included some of the GOP's rising stars.
What I don't understand is why it is liberals and Democrats who are so successfully branded as the enemies of family values and the personifications of immorality.
Take a look around folks.
It's not us liberals, by and large, who are leading dishonest and hypocritical lives. Not by a long shot.
December 3, 2007 8:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
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December 3, 2007 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink