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Huckabee In Second Place Nationally In Bloomberg/LAT Poll!

Another national poll, this a Bloomberg/Los Angeles Times survey, shows Mike Huckabee moving into second place:

Democrats:
Clinton 45%
Obama 21%
Edwards 11%

Republicans:
Giuliani 23%
Huckabee 17%
Thompson 14%
McCain 11%
Romney 9%

Rudy has fallen nine points since the last Bloomberg/LAT poll in October, while Huckabee has climbed ten points. Thompson, McCain and Romney have all fallen one or two points each, but those are not statistically significant changes.


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Why the exclamation point, Eric? You don't have to be a political junkie to have predicted Huckabee's rise. He's a very traditional Republican candidate and the one with the best shot at beating the Dem nominee.

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Since Eric has apparently lost interest in the Democratic side, since the last Times poll in October it is:

Clinton -3
Obama +4
Edwards -2
Biden +1
Richardson +1

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Be very afraid but remember that this Christian test for all candidates for president is unconstitutional (see Article VI, Section 3:

"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution: but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

Huckleberry and all of the Republicons are trying to invalidate this. Could somebody please ask them about this crap?

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This poll is whack. The last LAT/Bloomberg poll one had higher numbers for Hillary and lower numbers for Obama and Edwards than any contemporaneous poll and this one does too. Unfortunately, they're kind of hide-the-ballish about their sample selection methodology and demographic breakout.

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I prefer the following characterization:
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LA TIMES/BLOOMBERG POLL: GAP TIGHTENS 7 PERCENTAGE POINTS BETWEEN HILLARY AND OBAMA!!

Among likely Democratic voters across the nation, the new NATIONAL LA Times/Bloomberg poll found that Hillary Clinton's lead is still shrinking over Obama; as polls in Iowa show she remains locked in a very tight three-way contest with Sen. Barack Obama slightly ahead, and former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina nipping at both of their heels.

In the latest National LA Times/Bloomberg Poll, Clinton was favored by 45% (down from 48% last month) of those polled; Obama favored by 21% (UP from 17%); and Edwards favored by 11% (down from 13%).


Clinton 45% DOWN 3 (from 48%)

Obama 21% UP 4 (from 17%)

Edwards: 11% Down 2 (from 13%)

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You gotta stop! With the exclamation points! They are annoying as hell!!!

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The Obamaganda is just getting out of hand, seriously.

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Hillary is still the one to beat. While Rudy is sinking in the polls, HRC is holding firm, the noise machine notwithstanding. Obama is competitive only in IA, where he has poured all that he has got. HRC is determined to end it after IA. That is why they are after him.

Posted from a Palm Treo in Eastside Manhattan.

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why is "mcWho?" in the poll but not Paul. Say what you want about the guy but the Media "Just Ignore Him hopefully he'll fade" bs is obvious. He is clearly a contender here.

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Governor Huckleberry--that's funny.

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Why the prodigious expenditure of exclamation points (!!) over Huckleberry? Last time there wasn't a governor/former governor on one of the tickets was 1972. A Southern governor has won 4 times since then. It would be shocking! if there WASN'T an obscure governor emerging from nowhere in the presidential campaign.

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Has his fund raising picked up yet?

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NCSteve wrote: This poll is whack. The last LAT/Bloomberg poll one had higher numbers for Hillary and lower numbers for Obama and Edwards than any contemporaneous poll and this one does too.
Not at all. For example The Economist's pollsters in November has Clinton risen steadily, from 43 percent to 47. Obama has sunk steadily, from 24 percent to 18. Edwards is up 1 point, Biden is up 2 points, Richardson is down 2, Kucinich is up two, Dodd has remained steady and former Alaska Senator Mike Gravel slipped to 0.

As DC Shungu correctly points out above, Obama’s strength is Iowa and just about nothing else.

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Between Rudy's Nosferatu like demeanor and scandals that have finally gained traction, I think he might be done. Fred comes off as more doddering and out of it with every successive appearance. McCain is treading water. If Romney can't overcome the Mormon prejudice, the affable true believer Mike Huckabee might very well end up as our next president. Who cares about Christ sponsored state executions or junking Darwin for intelligent design, Mike Huckabee is a swell guy. Funny too.

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It looks like Senator Clinton is still the one to beat!

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Frederik of Hollywood received 14%? he is not even campaigning. Rudi is barely on the campaign trails.

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ALL the changes on the Democratic side are within the 4% MOE. Eric is right not to dwell on them. A little sanity...

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Not only are the changes within the margin of error, but she's still up by 24 points.

I mean, would one be going wild over a team getting a touchdown and closing the lead on the other team TO 24 points with only a few minutes left in the game? Not really.

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Josh C.:

Yes, but you are talking about rationality, and there is little to that within the ranks of the obamevangelists.

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Josh C.,

The problem with your analogy is that the score is actually 0-0 right now, because the game hasn't even started.

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By the way, the decrease in Clinton's numbers and increase in Obama's numbers in this poll is broadly consistent with the overall trend as reflected in pollster's regression analysis. See here:

http://www.pollster.com/08-US2-Dem-Pres-Primary.php

But of course there is no actual national primary, and we know the results in the early states are likely to affect the results in the later states. So these small trends are likely to be swamped once the process actually starts.

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At least Democrats are being very good in this poll's general election numbers since both Obama and Clinton win their match-ups.

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Two New Polls: Hillary Clinton Leads in Iowa by 5-7 Points

AP-Pew poll also shows strong double-digit leads in NH and SC; Clinton leading on important issues, most electable

Hillary Clinton leads all Democrats in Iowa, according to a NEW AP-PEW POLL showing her leading by 5 points, and a NEW IOWA STATE POLL showing her ahead by 7.

In addition, new AP-Pew polls show her leading by 19 in New Hampshire and 14 in South Carolina. The polls also show her ahead on the issues most important to voters, as well as the most electable Democrat:

Iowa

* Hillary leads the AP-Pew poll with 31 percent, compared to 26 percent for Obama and 19 percent for Edwards.
* The new Iowa State University poll also shows Hillary ahead with 31 percent, compared to 24 percent for Edwards, and 20 percent for Obama.

New Hampshire:

* Hillary leads the AP-Pew poll with 38 percent, doubling each of her opponents. Obama follows with 19 percent, and Edwards at 15 percent.

South Carolina:

* Hillary leads the AP-Pew poll with 45 percent, followed by Obama at 31 percent, and Edwards at 10 percent.
* Hillary and Obama are even among black voters in SC, and Hillary leads by 3-to-1 among white voters.

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Give it up pacc, this poll has been discussed before here. Although released later than the poll which show Obama ahead, the survey was done much earlier, stretching back to Nov. 7. The poll was irrelevant before it was released.

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Just to put some slightly harder numbers on the point I made above:

Using the tracking averages at RCP, Clinton is now down about 7 points in the six weeks since her mid-late October peak. Obama is up about 3 points in the same timespan. Clinton's average lead has decreased from about 28 to about 18 (18.2 as of the time I am writing this).

Just for fun, note we are about 9 weeks from the February 5 "Super Tuesday" set of primaries. At the current rate of closure, in that 9 weeks Clinton's national lead would shrink approximately another 15 points, making it around a 3 point lead going into Super Tuesday.

Again, though, that is just for fun. Those trends are highly unlikely to remain the same after Iowa (and could of course change before Iowa as well).

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Please...it is what it is....Eric is doing a good job. The poll is just fine. HRC is STILL in the lead and thr Huckster is rising. Get used to it Obama is playing for the 2nd spot.

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Kefa,

But of course this same poll also shows that Giuliani is STILL in the lead, and Obama is rising.

Again, this don't really matter much since all these trends likely will be swamped once the real voting starts. Still, it would be nice if people like Eric at least tried to remain neutral.

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Can the Obama crowd seriously claim that a poll that has Hillary out-gunning him 2-1 (or whatever -- more than 20 points ahead of him) is good news ... at the sime they constantly claim national polls don't matter? If Obama has risen four points in that poll, it's because he had nowhere to go but up, and it's also within margin or error. Just because Obama supporters post to blogs all day long does not mean that he has the support of most Dems. Hillary has the leadership abilities, values and experience to be President, in my view, and that's what most Dems support her (and why she polls better than Obama or others against possible Republican nominees).

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Steve, obviously clinton II's internals reveal that there is a major problem, or she wouldn't be doing what she is doing and she isn't doing the attacks well at all. I saw clips of her stump speech when she was attacking obama and she didn't look confortable doing it, which actually is a good thing on the one hand, but on the other hand it takes away from the clinton II mantra, that she knows how to "play the game" or "now the fun begins."

I want to win in the general and if she is the nominee, based on the way things are going, she will get slaughtered. Maybe she should have surrogates do the attacks and hire some new staff. The kindergarten attack was really, really stupid, as have been some of her other moves. Also, she's got to get a handler for Mr. bill. He's causing more problems than he is probably worth. Seems that gore may have been right not to use him in 2000 or he might have gotten beat worse. People should be informed and make an informed decision. I may be for obama, but I could change my mind and I want the dems to win in 08 regardless of who the nominee is.

Finally on the polls, two points:

(1) Name recognition obviously is playing a large part of what is going on. Look at Iowa, they know the candidates best and she is in a three way tie. What about those polls?

(2) Also, the gallup poll that I refer to as well as other non-horse race polls reveal that there is a general election problem for her. 39% of republicans are for obama and 43% are against. Clinton II is vehemently opposed by 78% of republicans. Also her negatives are the highest of all dems. These polls indicate a problem that clinton II supporters want to ignore, but clearly indicate a general election liability that dems should be aware of, as opposed to the rah, rah bs.

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Steve,

I can only speak for myself, but I think by far the most important point is that there is no national primary, and we have good reason to believe that the results in later states will likely be affected by the results in earlier states.

Pointing out that Eric is not even-handed in his poll coverage thus is really a small issue, of local interest only.

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He's a very traditional Republican candidate and the one with the best shot at beating the Dem nominee.

I might have thought so until I just read the account of how he twisted every arm he could to release a convicted rapist, clearly because that rapist had the support of political and religious allies of Huckabee, and that rapist went out and raped and murdered other women.

That is going to be absolutely fatal to his candidacy, by my reckoning. It makes the Willie Horton case look like a wet kiss.

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Michael A- you have to distinguish between caucusgoers and Iowa voters in general. IIRC, in the last Iowa polling among all Democratic-identifying voters the split is the 38+/25/15+ as just about everywhere else in the country.

Among caucusgoers is where you see the deviation- Edwards support is certainly overrepresented, Obama not entirely clear, and Clinton support probably underrepresented.

If I were an Edwards or Obama supporter, I'd worry greatly about the Clinton campaign cranking up turnout.

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