GOP Firm's Poll: Close Races For Both Sides In Iowa
A second poll out today, from Republican firm Strategic Vision, shows the Democratic race in Iowa to be a three-way dead heat.
The numbers: Barack Obama 30%, Hillary Clinton 29%, and John Edwards 28%. Statistically speaking, that's not appreciably different from today's L.A. Times/Bloomberg poll. In their previous poll last week, it was Obama 30%, Hillary 27%, and Edwards 27%.
On the Republican side, though, this poll also shows a close race: Mike Huckabee 29%, Mitt Romney 27%, Fred Thompson 15%, and John McCain 14%. Last week: Huckabee 31%, Romney 25%, Thompson 16%, McCain 8%. By contrast, today's LAT/Bloomberg poll gave Huckabee a much wider lead, with 37% against Romney's 23%.















Hillary's lead in the race has been based on a sense of inevitability (if not entitlement) surrounding her candidacy. It will be interesting to see how the next two weeks unfold now that dominant position has been eroded.
December 27, 2007 10:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fun things happen, wasn't Hillary up few days ago, 15 points ahead of BO and JE, according to ARP poll? Now her lead has evaporated! Wow what happened?
ARP poll: Dec. 24th
Hillary: 34%
Edwards: 20%
Obama: 19%
December 27, 2007 10:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
As far as the Republican side goes, Robert Novak weighed in today. Although no McCain supporter, he makes the case that McCain is likely to be the last man standing in the primary and probably has the best shot in the general.
If Huckabee wins Iowa and McCain wins NH, Romney is pretty well finished. McCain would be well positioned against Huckabee in Rudy's supposed strong big states on Super Tues.
I have a post on my blog about Novak's article for those interested.
http://thepoliticalpost.wordpress.com/2007/12/27/last-man-standing-bob-novaks-take-on-mccain/
December 27, 2007 10:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
jeanba,
Not much has happened at all, you are confusing the polls. The poll with Hillary on top with 34 % is ARG. These new polls are SV and LAT/Bloomberg respectively. No downward movement for Hillary in any of these polls.
December 27, 2007 10:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
FWIW, Pollster.com did an analysis of possible house effects in IA polls earlier in the week and I happened to notice that SV's polls tend to be a little above the mean for Obama and a little below for Clinton.
December 27, 2007 11:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep, DemAC is exactly right. Comparing different polls is fairly useless although only somewhat more so than taking any given poll at face value. The real value of polls are the trends.
Although in Iowa, in particular, even trends are somewhat suspect due to the ass-backward caucus system.
December 27, 2007 11:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
The tragic event in Pakistan today gave the electorate a mild shock waking them out of the sleepy concerns of foreign policy and national security.
Of course, all the candidates addressed the situation of an unstable nuclear armed country with various factions of power including al-Qaeda and the Taliban.
Sen. Obama's response was, by most accounts, rather flat and unemotional while Sen. Clinton's was more polished and had personal anecdotes which reminded voters of her personal connections with world leaders.
The situation also highlights that the former president will be by her side. It also bolsters the Clinton assertion that leaving the country in the hands of a senator with two years of national experience is lacking in wisdom and high on the risk factor.
December 27, 2007 11:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just an idle thought, but I for one would be interested to see if the people at pollster think the holiday effect is likely to still be applicable, and if so to what degree. Just anecdotally, it seems to me a lot of people are still off work and possibly travelling.
December 27, 2007 11:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, since we are apparently talking about foreign policy here too, here is a fairly interesting take on leading from day one.
Would any of our Clinton supporters be willing to see if they can dig up a comparable amount of policy specifics as were given for Obama here?
As a sidenote, the ratio of Clinton supporters who present cognizant arguments (which I can respect) to apparently mindless ideologues is much higher over here than at HuffPo, apparently. It is interesting to look at the makeup of the poster groups on the various "leftist" blog/newssites.
December 27, 2007 11:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excuse me, SD, but I take exception to Bill's assertion that Obama would be "risky". What has been "risky" to our fellow Americans who have been killed or injured in Iraq has been Hillary's risky vote in supporting this far-right nut we have serving as Prez. And I have to assume Hillary voted that way with the former Prez lending her his expertise.
The arrogance of Bill and Hillary is stunning. It was on open display when Bill came to WDC with glitzy balls and the like--as well as the arrogance toward the WH media and other sundry events.
But now we have to be treated to the most stunning BAD decision in the past 50 years as being the "safe" choice by these pros while Obama--who was right-- would be risky.
Risky for whom?
December 27, 2007 11:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
stlounick,
You might be intterested in how I covered former Amb. Joe Wilson's endorsement of Mrs. Clinton. The last post was more about perception in light of recent events.
http://thepoliticalpost.wordpress.com/2007/12/23/joe-wilson-for-hillary-clinton/
December 27, 2007 11:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Folks, if I may be so bold as to step in, not knowing Greg from my elbow, and not knowing which of you are pro-Clinton, pro-Edwards, or pro-Obama (cough, cough)....
It doesn't matter anymore. There is only this week, and then the following week, and then the following week, and then Super Tuesday.
Hillary has made clear why she deserves to win. Edwards has made clear why he feels he should win. Obama has made clear why he thinks he can win.
From now on, all this arguing on the internet means nothing. It's the voters who will decide.
So let's let the voters decide, and then start arguing over their decision in a month.
Happy holidays,
Lis
PS: This does not mean that I won't post here again between now and the primaries....it just means that I think for tonight we should let Pakistan mourn Bhutto and we should let the campaigns settle themselves down for one good sleep tonight.
PPS: Pollster.com, when you look at the ALTERNATE polls that date back to 2004, show some really awesome results.
December 28, 2007 12:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
How so? I mean aside from bald assertion by Clinton and Obama supporters, how does today's tragic events suggest anything whatever about the comparative merits of either candidate?
December 28, 2007 12:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sen. Clinton's was more polished and had personal anecdotes which reminded voters of her personal connections with world leaders.
photo ops does not a foreign policy make.
December 28, 2007 12:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Greg,
The average person does not listen to daily political commentary or regularly size up the candidates' positions and/or experience.
The answer to your "How so" question is that those who do not give much attention to politics or world affairs, for that matter, do get a jolt from big news events such as the case in Pakistan today.
The average person who is not plugged in but hears of a nuclear Pakistan on the brink of becoming a chaotic and potentially ungovernable nation-state is rightly jolted.
The electorate will look to the closest thing to experience, in my opinion, at such a time. And Mrs. Clinton has a "leg up" on Mr. Obama in that capacity.
December 28, 2007 12:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Lis,
Why corporate conspiritor Clinton DESERVES (?) to win or did you mean the far more appropriate 'WINcel?
No one deserves to lead the American people. Although Reagan did his damnedest to wipe out social sciences, we still CHOOSE our leaders to represent us . . . No matter what fascist plutocrats in the Bush Crime Family or Her Royale Crownship commands their accolytes to believe.
December 28, 2007 1:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
yesterday gone,
Personal connections account more than photo ops with the general public. Also, delivery (which is not one of Sen. Clinton's strong points) matters in moments of international disruptions.
Sen. Clinton proved herself, in my opinion, to be much more dignified and (believe it or not) empathetic in manner than Sen. Obama with regard to the assassination in Pakistan.
December 28, 2007 1:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
shorter everybody: "we just don't know."
December 28, 2007 1:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Awe, now. Don't hold back, Rich. Tell us how you really feel.
December 28, 2007 1:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
yesterday gone,
You might want to read my take on Healy's NY Times article on the former First Lady's experience in foreign policy.
thepoliticalpost.wordpress.com/2007/12/26/ny-times-article-questions-mrs-clintons-resume-factor/
I'm not a fan of Mrs. Clinton, however, I think she did handle herself better than Mr. Obama with regard to the recent tragedy in Pakistan.
December 28, 2007 1:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
You might want to read my take on your repeated plugs of your blog: LAME! :)
December 28, 2007 2:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
I thought the discourse here would be more reasoned. But there's just as much shilling going on here is on Redstate. Almost all of it seems to be Clinton and Obama supporters shouting past each other. Nice! That will help your candidate! Does any of you actually think you are convincing anyone?
Here's a question to Clinton supporters who tout her experience relative to Obama--what was her last paying job before the Senate?
December 28, 2007 8:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Buck:
Responding to your question, she was a partner in the top law firm in Arkansas and otherwise regarded as an outstanding member of the bar, both regionally and nationally based on corporate and long-standing public service and community work. She was also a highly regarded graduate of what is arguably the nation's most distinguished law school, with many, many close friends from her time there no on the campaign trail (especially in Iowa and soon in New Hampshire) vouching for her warmth, leadership and long-standing community concern (including taking an extra year in law school for a community volunteer project and to match up with Bill Clinton's graduation year of 1973) before her work in Washington on the Judiciary Committee staff later. All of this is well-documented, and I hope answers your question. She's a wonderfully nice person, and the more unwarranted claims to the contrary the more people who know her are ready to (literally) go the extra mile.
December 28, 2007 8:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Gosh, it sounds like you must know this "average person" very well; much better than I do. He comes over to your house every Tues for tea and sandwiches, or some such, I take it? That is to say, I am curious how it is that you purport to know this "average person" so well that you feel prepared to hold forth on his reaction to such a circumstance.
Perhaps. Come to that, however, Sens Dodd and Biden have even more of a leg up over Sen Clinton in that respect, and Gov Richardson has a commanding advantage over them all. Given that I am unaware of any rush towards Richardson in the wage of yesterday's assasination, you will have to forgive me if I find your reasoning more wishful than persuasive.
December 28, 2007 11:31 AM | Reply | Permalink